UPDATE: PS3 delayed till 2007, BBC Speculates

[njiska]

At least that's what BBC, the most trusted source for news in the world, claimed in a reccent video peice.

Here's the link to Kotaku where the news was posted, it contains a link to the direct BBC video file (in real).
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/playstation-3-out-in-2007-says-the-bbc-134014.php#viewcomments

I'd really love to know where this information came from since they're haven't even been remote rumours the system wouldn't launch until fall 07.

I don't think there's any way this can be true. Even if they were talking just about europe, BBC world should be comparing the inital launches not the european ones.

It's all very strange.

[Arkaign]

Sounds pretty shady to me, I doubt Sony would try to ride $99 PS2s for that long.

Microsoft has a lot riding on Xbox360, just as Sony does on PS3.

NEVER put it past any corporation to employ tactics of misinformation, propaganda, deceit, espionage, and even murder.

When billions of dollars are at stake, even human lives are cheap.

It also doesn't make any logical sense that PS3 would be so delayed, because the hardware is already solidified. Nvidia finished the oustanding RSX long ago (I'm using the PC version on this box), Cell is complete, Sony has had Blu-Ray drives in Japan for eons, etc. The only holdup could be the games themselves, but it would still be way easy to throw updated PS2 standard-bearers in there (Tekken series, Gran Turismo series, etc) with tuned up details.

This is as bogus as any rumors of X360 delays are. IMHO.

[kainemaxwell]

Doesn't make any sense the PS3 would be delayed tha tlong, Sony would be shooting themselves in the foot too much doing that unless the PS3 becomes the be-all, end-all system which I doubt.

Sounds like more business tactics to sway consumers.

[njiska]

Doesn't make any sense the PS3 would be delayed tha tlong, Sony would be shooting themselves in the foot too much doing that unless the PS3 becomes the be-all, end-all system which I doubt.

Sounds like more business tactics to sway consumers.

Yeah but who came up with the misinformation? BBC owe nothing to either company and they were the ones to report it, it wasn't just a sound bite.

[SirDrexl]

One thing that could delay the PS3 is the Blu-Ray aspect, specifically movies. Although they have had BR drives in Japan, they are not the same as the BR that will be used for HD movies. As for the BR format for movies, they're still working on copy protection, and recently there has been talk of coming to a compromise (to avoid a format war with HD-DVD) by combining the logic and application layers of HD-DVD with the physical specs of Blu-Ray.

So, if Sony wants the PS3 to play movies on BR disc out of the box, there may be some changes they have to make. I don't think it would mean they couldn't get it out until 2007, but they should be able to launch next fall (which is when I expected it to come out anyway).

[njiska]

One thing that could delay the PS3 is the Blu-Ray aspect, specifically movies. Although they have had BR drives in Japan, they are not the same as the BR that will be used for HD movies. As for the BR format for movies, they're still working on copy protection, and recently there has been talk of coming to a compromise (to avoid a format war with HD-DVD) by combining the logic and application layers of HD-DVD with the physical specs of Blu-Ray.

So, if Sony wants the PS3 to play movies on BR disc out of the box, there may be some changes they have to make. I don't think it would mean they couldn't get it out until 2007, but they should be able to launch next fall (which is when I expected it to come out anyway).

That's true until HD DVD or Blu-Ray actually launch there's no telling what could happen.

[Apossum]

I've pretty much stopped listening to any and all speculation about these systems. it's all hearsay at this point. especially when it comes to Kotaku and their quest to assassinate the 360.

[njiska]

Almost confirmed because this source can't be verified. However it does ad some more to the story.

BBC is trusted, this source is not, but it does back up the theory none the less.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000340065758/


I worked for GameStop over the summer, and this came up during the Madden 2005 [2006?] Release a few months back, and “confirmed” by our District Manager, I’m not entirely sure how true it is, but if you do some research on it, here’s what you’d be looking for:

The PS3 is delayed until 2007, the decision for this came about through the failure of the initial hardware the PS3 Development Team created. Apparently, 300 PS3 Units were created and sent to various software developers to begin creating games for the new system. However, design flaws in the PS3 (Specifically, not enough coolant) caused the systems to overheat and meltdown after moderate
use by the developers.

According to my DM (District Manager), Sony went and fired the entirety of the PS3 Development Team for this flaw. In short, from what I’ve heard, if Sony gained anything from this experience, it’s minor technical knowledge on what the PS3 can handle, but for the most part they were sent to square one.


I'm rather shocked. This story keeps getting more and more interesting as time rolls on.

[kainemaxwell]

At this point Sony should screw blu-ray and just get the damn thing out before they dig themselves into a deeper hole.

[Ed Oscuro]

Doesn't make any sense the PS3 would be delayed tha tlong, Sony would be shooting themselves in the foot too much doing that unless the PS3 becomes the be-all, end-all system which I doubt.
Well, I think they might just need all of that extra year to get some decent, Kutaragi-Quality games out for the machine.

This is mostly going to be bad news for people who like competitiveness and price wars. For myself, I'll have to think about getting a 360...

[Overbite]

If this is true, sony might be screwed. the 360 will have almost a 2 year head start, and the rev might even be out before the ps3. By that time the 360 will have a big (maybe) selection of games (possibly some that were going to be on ps3?) and since the two systems are almost identicle, who's gonna wait?

I'll wait. For a price drop 8-)

[Ed Oscuro]

If this is true, sony might be screwed....who's gonna wait?
Me :D

[kainemaxwell]

If this is true, sony might be screwed. the 360 will have almost a 2 year head start, and the rev might even be out before the ps3. By that time the 360 will have a big (maybe) selection of games (possibly some that were going to be on ps3?) and since the two systems are almost identicle, who's gonna wait?

I'll wait. For a price drop 8-)
Excatly, I don't see Sony doing as well as they usually do with just the PSP and a price dropped PS2...

[petewhitley]

Almost confirmed because this source can't be verified. However it does ad some more to the story.

BBC is trusted, this source is not, but it does back up the theory none the less.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000340065758/


I worked for GameStop over the summer, and this came up during the Madden 2005 [2006?] Release a few months back, and “confirmed” by our District Manager, I’m not entirely sure how true it is, but if you do some research on it, here’s what you’d be looking for:

The PS3 is delayed until 2007, the decision for this came about through the failure of the initial hardware the PS3 Development Team created. Apparently, 300 PS3 Units were created and sent to various software developers to begin creating games for the new system. However, design flaws in the PS3 (Specifically, not enough coolant) caused the systems to overheat and meltdown after moderate
use by the developers.

According to my DM (District Manager), Sony went and fired the entirety of the PS3 Development Team for this flaw. In short, from what I’ve heard, if Sony gained anything from this experience, it’s minor technical knowledge on what the PS3 can handle, but for the most part they were sent to square one.


I'm rather shocked. This story keeps getting more and more interesting as time rolls on.

There is no way that story lends any credibility to this rumor. I think the title of this thread should be changed, as this story is pretty far from "almost confirmed".

[badinsults]

I watched the video, I would say that it was nothing more than a simple error (22 vs 12). You can bet that Sony will not be late, as they have observed what happened to Nintendo back in 1996.

[njiska]

Almost confirmed because this source can't be verified. However it does ad some more to the story.

BBC is trusted, this source is not, but it does back up the theory none the less.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000340065758/


I worked for GameStop over the summer, and this came up during the Madden 2005 [2006?] Release a few months back, and “confirmed” by our District Manager, I’m not entirely sure how true it is, but if you do some research on it, here’s what you’d be looking for:

The PS3 is delayed until 2007, the decision for this came about through the failure of the initial hardware the PS3 Development Team created. Apparently, 300 PS3 Units were created and sent to various software developers to begin creating games for the new system. However, design flaws in the PS3 (Specifically, not enough coolant) caused the systems to overheat and meltdown after moderate
use by the developers.

According to my DM (District Manager), Sony went and fired the entirety of the PS3 Development Team for this flaw. In short, from what I’ve heard, if Sony gained anything from this experience, it’s minor technical knowledge on what the PS3 can handle, but for the most part they were sent to square one.


I'm rather shocked. This story keeps getting more and more interesting as time rolls on.

There is no way that story lends any credibility to this rumor. I think the title of this thread should be changed, as this story is pretty far from "almost confirmed".

It's because of three things that i chose to say almost confirmed.

1. BBC is credible and it broke the story.
2. There have been complaints recently release about Sony being slow getting dev tools out there.
3. The posting by Joystiq conforms to both of the previous statements.

It's enough to make the claim sound very credible, however until we have concrete proof it is only sort of confirmed.

[petewhitley]

It's because of three things that i chose to say almost confirmed.

1. BBC is credible and it broke the story.
2. There have been complaints recently release about Sony being slow getting dev tools out there.
3. The posting by Joystiq conforms to both of the previous statements.

It's enough to make the claim sound very credible, however until we have concrete proof it is only sort of confirmed.

The Gamestop story reeks of "a friend of my cousin's girlfriend told her neighbor ...". If the lowly DM's at Gamestop had been given this information by Sony over the summer, it would have been all over the 'net a long time ago.

[Anexanhume]

If they were to create a sufficient enough time gap, developers would have to start jumping to the 360 or face the fact that other developers are cashing in while they just have to sit on their code until the PS3 is ready.

[sabre2922]

It will be a small miracle IF the PS3 launches BEFORE LATE NOV OF '06 IMO anything after that will give Microsoft a huge lead into the next-gen and may utlimitely change the current console leader positions and give the Revolution a fighting chance if Nintendo can launch at least 4-6 months before the PS3 AND THAT i WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN :D

[roushimsx]

So wait, the PS3 isn't coming out next month?

Too bad. Guess I'll just have to keep buying PS2 games afterall :(

[Niku-Sama]

its a ploy

and besides, is sex box 1024 comes out next month who gives a damn? i dont, i'll be buying NES and SNES games....mabe a PS2 game or 2 aswell

[Lothars]

I don't believe that the ps3 will be released that late

I would be shocked if they did that, but I could see the ps3 being released next summer

that would be the most logical time to release it but we will see.

[Xizer]

its a ploy

and besides, is sex box 1024 comes out next month who gives a damn? i dont, i'll be buying NES and SNES games....mabe a PS2 game or 2 aswell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar

[Anthony1]

I would be very suprised to see the PS3 released anytime prior to August 2006, and any time after November 2006. If I had to gamble on when it actually will come out, my date would be Tuesday, August 15th 2006.


There is a very significant reason why I think August 2006 will be the launch month of the PS2 in the United States.



It's extremely likely that Madden '07 for the XBOX 360 will release in late August 2006. Sony is going to want Madden '07 to release on the PS3 on the same day. There isn't a chance in H. E. Double Hockey Sticks that Sony is going to allow two Madden games to hit the XBOX 360, without having a Madden for PS3 being available as well.



Madden '06 for the 360 comes out this November 22nd, 2005. That already has to be painfull enough for Sony. Actually having a next gen Madden available on the competition's system before their own. It's downright blasphemy.


But allowing it to happen twice?



No F'ing way.



If Madden for 360 comes out this November, and then an updated and more refined version comes out late August 2006 on 360, and there isn't a PS3 anywhere to be found, then a huge portion of the entire Madden fan base will have to go the 360 route whether they were originally planning to do that or not.


That would not be the ideal way to start a console war for Sony.



August 15th, 2006.


You heard it here first. Madden '07 will have a simultaneous release the following Tuesday for these systems: PS3, 360, XBOX 1, PS2, GameCube, GBA, PSP and DS.

[Xizer]

Hmm...yeah...I doubt it. The gaming market doesn't revolve around a crappy football game that is rehashed yearly. Sony will release the PS3 when it's done.

[Anthony1]

Hmm...yeah...I doubt it. The gaming market doesn't revolve around a crappy football game that is rehashed yearly. Sony will release the PS3 when it's done.



I'm not saying that Madden '07 is going to be the key reason why the PS3 releases in August 2006, it's just going to be a very strong contributing factor.



You really think that Sony is going to let 2 next gen Maddens go the competition before they get a single version on their next gen machine?

[Xizer]

Actually, I think the PS3 will be launched in Spring of 2006, with terrible selection, just like what happened with the PS2. Sony is deathly afraid of falling behind - but they don't want to launch too quick...the Dreamcast launched 3 years after the N64 and that was a disaster.

[AMG]

It would be a huge mistake for Sony to be that late to market with the X360 hitting next month. Waiting until 2007 could create another Genesis vs SNES war and cause Sony to split the market they now dominate.

The Revolution is a wild card.

[Raedon]

It's not the machine, it's the games.

If Sony doesn't have a new machine that sells games out and the 360 gets a market in Japan then Square/enix will HAVE to develop for it because the world needs its Final Fantasy. Two years would be suicide for any new system imho.

[Doku_san]

Finally! Somebody mentions the Revolution!
I will be getting a Revolution a loong time before I get a PS3 or Xbox 360. It interests me because nobody talks about it no more. Well, not as much as the other two..

[syd]

I don't see any truth to this, until I see a reliable source then I'm not believing any of this. Who knows for sure that someone from Microsoft didn't pay off one of the reporters/sources that have to do with this story at the BBC? Sony is definitely not going to wait that long to put out its new system. As was already said, the XBOX would have a pretty big market share if Sony waited too long.

However, if the story is indeed true, then I have lost faith in any hardware Sony makes. It was bad enough hearing about all the laser problems the PS2 had, much less having insufficient cooling on their new systems. I can't see a company doing that, it seems pretty fishy to me. One of the first things you would check for hardware wise would be the rate of cooling so your stuff didn't melt! :/


Actually, I think the PS3 will be launched in Spring of 2006, with terrible selection, just like what happened with the PS2. Sony is deathly afraid of falling behind - but they don't want to launch too quick...the Dreamcast launched 3 years after the N64 and that was a disaster.

Actually, the Dreamcast was meant to compete with the PS2/XBOX era, not the PS1/N64 generation of gaming. :)

[Ed Oscuro]

[The Revolution] interests me because nobody talks about it no more.
That is true, in a manner of speaking...

[Arkaign]

There is no such thing as 'almost confirmed'. That's sort of like 'Half Pregnant'.

I really doubt there's any validity to this story, particularly with the total lack of mention from places like The Register, or *any*where else even on the fringe of credibility.

The title to this thread should be 'PS3 rumored to be delayed, says BBC report'.

[sabre2922]

Hmm...yeah...I doubt it. The gaming market doesn't revolve around a crappy football game that is rehashed yearly. Sony will release the PS3 when it's done.

Unfortunately IT DOES :/

For the first time in a looong time I have to agree (for the most part) with Anthony 1s statement.

The fact is while we here at this board are a completely different breed of gamers ( I think REAL GAMERS) that luv and enjoy all different types of games the MASS OF CASUAL GAMERS ARE ALL ABOUT THE MADDENS , HALOS, GTA's etc my point being I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY BAD THING FOR SONY TO NOT HAVE THE PS3 OUT IN TIME FOR THE RELEASE OF MADDEN '07 at least here in the states.

Then there is this:
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President of Enterbrain, Hirokazu Hamamura, also said: “We are unlikely to see games exhibiting a level only PS3 can achieve until the end of 2007,” due to the (alleged) fact that “PS3 dev tools have only just started shipping to developers this month, while 360 tools were shipped last summer.”

Comparisons to the PS2 launch were also made since Blu-ray is not as sure a thing as DVDs were five years ago.

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Also there are reports of the first batch of PS3 development kits overheating and melting after moderate use by developers

Wether or not all this is true and I happen to think that most of it is, This all adds up to one thing:

THE PS3 IS FACING A LONG UPHILL BATTLE AND IS NOT A SURE THING LIKE THE PS2 WAS -but- Sony has such a big ego after ruling the roost for the last 2 generations that I think they really dont realize that the Xbox360 could overtake them if they continue to fuck up and waste valuable time while they set back like a slumbering king not knowing that the enemies are at the gates and fully prepared to overthrow the long ruling king.

Now IF the PS3 is actaully able to launch within the Oct to Nov range I agree that it will most likely be a rushed launch of sorts with very few (maybe a couple) AAA titles far less than what it appears the Xbox360 will have at or around its launch.

The backwards compatibility thing is really starting to rub me the wrong way also with both the 360 and PS3 Ive decided that Im just going to stock up on PS2s and set out the whole next gen thing for a while and enjoy all the PSone and PS2 games that I can amass within the next year or two.
The fact that you may not be able to use your older PSX/PS2 memory cards AT ALL with the PS3 is complete and udder bullshit.

[THATinkjar]

The BBC reporter in question today confirmed he was merely speculating. I'm sure we've all got better things to do...

[TurboGenesis]

It all sounds like rumors to me. I imagine that the PS3 will follow the same route as the launch of the PS2 with a spring release in Japan followed with a fall release in the US.

Yes it seems likely that madden will be a launch title for the PS3 and yes it does have a huge impact in console user base. Hate to say it but madden is a driving force in the US video game industry and I f'in hate madden and everything ea but its time to look at the hard facts.

[googlefest1]

its probbaly BS

and even if sony did have that hardware problem - i dbout very much that they would fire the entire development team- its just a thermal problem!! -- thermal problems for dev kits are easily solved - and for the comercial product i can see it only delaying it by 3 months

and even if this is true - the PS2 is gettign some awsome looking games lately and i think those kind of game would be enough to compete with the 360. mabey not in sports but sure enough with adventure titles. Also the 2 year gap can be a good thing for sony - that means a system with a 2 year technological jump. Sony may not pick up the same size market in 2007 as they have now but im still sure it will be a siginificant size. Also 2 years from now im sure people will be willing to pluck down money on another system.

1 i dont belive its true
2 i dont think its a huge problem

this dosent bug me anyway - the last time i was excited about a new system comming out was back in the 16 bit days - nowdays i have so many pretty games to choose from i can wait for new ones - also im not big into sports games so im not affected by that need for the latest and greatest sports title

hey if this is true it may drive sony into pushing out a higher quality product

[njiska]

Now confirmed as pure speculation.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/ps3-in-22-months-bbc-reporter-was-only-speculating-134185.php

[THATinkjar]

Now confirmed as pure speculation.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/ps3-in-22-months-bbc-reporter-was-only-speculating-134185.php

Ah, c'mon, am I invisible today, folks?

[Arkaign]

Now confirmed as pure speculation.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/ps3-in-22-months-bbc-reporter-was-only-speculating-134185.php

Ah, c'mon, am I invisible today, folks?

LOL

I saw ya man, and good update njiska ..

As far as dev kits melting, that sounds pretty silly to me. Have you *seen* developer kits for consoles? They're not small. I really doubt Sony would hold back on a nice $40 heatsink/fan (at mfg cost, that would be insanely nice!) for a piece of hardware that costs thousands of dollars. It would be utterly ridiculous for an engineering department to let something so stupid to happen. Especially Japanese engineers, they have a reputation for precision and thoroughness.

Just more dumb rumors, like all the flames going on about Xbox360 problems. These are megabillion corps, not fly-by-night cracker-jack toy makers. Things are going according to plan for all the major players at this point, by all credible accounts.

[njiska]

Now confirmed as pure speculation.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/ps3-in-22-months-bbc-reporter-was-only-speculating-134185.php

Ah, c'mon, am I invisible today, folks?

LOL

I saw ya man, and good update njiska ..

As far as dev kits melting, that sounds pretty silly to me. Have you *seen* developer kits for consoles? They're not small. I really doubt Sony would hold back on a nice $40 heatsink/fan (at mfg cost, that would be insanely nice!) for a piece of hardware that costs thousands of dollars. It would be utterly ridiculous for an engineering department to let something so stupid to happen. Especially Japanese engineers, they have a reputation for precision and thoroughness.

Just more dumb rumors, like all the flames going on about Xbox360 problems. These are megabillion corps, not fly-by-night cracker-jack toy makers. Things are going according to plan for all the major players at this point, by all credible accounts.

Oh i agree but i'm just keeping track of what's reported. As bullshitty as that story sounded it did sync up nicely with the BBC report and the recent complaints about dev tools arriving late.

Still i think the PS3 will be arriving in 2007 in Europpe but it should launch in Japan and NA before the end of next year.

And sorry THINKinkjar but i made that post at work so i didn't have time to read what other's had posted. I just wanted to be responsible and keep the thread up to date since i started it.