"Never Underestimate Nintendo ...."

[CaryMG]

Those are the words that end the fun history-of-Nintendo book > "Game Over" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679404694/qid=1130778649/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/103-8758029-7995062?v=glance&s=books)

Then I read this > "The Future Of Nintendo" (http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=296)
Another GameBoy ....?
"Revolution" 's graphics aren't significantly inferior to "PlayStation 3" or "XBOX360" ....?

What do you guys think?
Are people untimely poo-pooing "Revolution" before they've seen a single screenshot or tech demo?

Sure, that tethered controller plays rediculously.
But as Nintendo head Iwata said, the console & controllers shown are mere prototypes -- not at all reperesentative of the real thing.
I remember reading somewhere a Nintendo rep said "Revolution" will be, quote, "... a very sexy looking device -- akin to iPod ...." unquote.
"Revolution" so won't look like what was shown.

I'm thinkin' ....
As cool as "Perfect Dark Zer0" is, I think Nintendo's gonna pull somethin' outta nowhere & "Revolution" 's gonna floor us all -- just like "Nintendo64" did.

Thoughts?


Later!
:) :) :)

[[-Sentinel-]]

There's no pics of the Revolution games, how can you affirm that they are inferior? O_o

EDIT: ops, I misread it. :x
I dunno... I'm not too satisfied with Rev. 'till now. :/

[Arkaign]

I think it's all very subjective. We've really approached a point where a system with inferior capabilities can still host some incredible games. Hardware is not going to decide much of anything of the new console war.

Games

Games

Games

I can't stress it enough. If the games are good, plentiful, and well marketed, the systems will sell.

I actually think Nintendo has an advantage, because they don't have anyone to compete with on the family/kid marketplace at ALL. Sony and Microsoft are competing for the same dollars, but a lot of Nintendo's appeal can't be found on anything from either of them.

Hardware-wise, I think the Revolution will be innovative and capable, but not bleeding-edge. It will definitely be able to play some incredible games, you can count on that. It's just up to Nintendo and the game producers to deliver.

[Push Upstairs]

"Never underestimate Nintendo" is what i think of when i see Mario crammed into any game he can be.

The Revolution scares me because you pay to download older games which gives me the feeling that Nintendo will once again try to ride off thier past success instead of trying to create new stuff.

The idea of the controller having a port where you can plug in various "accessories" also scares me because that gives the Big N license to make any junk they want for a specific game and people will have to buy it.

I don't want to play Mario 3 on another system and i don't like the possibility of Nintendo forcing more gimmick crap on me to enjoy my games.

[Arkaign]

Well, everyone tends to ride off of old stuff. Look around the library of any game system, you will see the top sellers DOMINATED by sequels, or new additions to a proven family of games (Goldeneye to Perfect Dark, etc.)

Nintendo has shown many times that they can be innovative. Now I don't want to play drums with Donkey Kong, and I don't want to play with plants (Pikmin?), but I think that they know what they're doing, and the Rev will keep its core audience pretty happy.

You have to remember, Nintendo isn't the big dog like they were in the 80s to mid 90s. They are doing what they can to keep things fresh.

I don't know, they could really screw up, like they did with that weird VR thing. But I doubt it.

I think the weird controller add-ins and the old games will be secondary to the meat and potatoes of the real stuff.

[boatofcar]

"Never underestimate Nintendo" is what i think of when i see Mario crammed into any game he can be.

The Revolution scares me because you pay to download older games which gives me the feeling that Nintendo will once again try to ride off thier past success instead of trying to create new stuff.

The idea of the controller having a port where you can plug in various "accessories" also scares me because that gives the Big N license to make any junk they want for a specific game and people will have to buy it.

I don't want to play Mario 3 on another system and i don't like the possibility of Nintendo forcing more gimmick crap on me to enjoy my games.

Well, the answer is simple. Don't buy it. Just don't complain when it rocks. 8-)

[PS2Hawk]

"Never underestimate Nintendo" is what i think of when i see Mario crammed into any game he can be.

The Revolution scares me because you pay to download older games which gives me the feeling that Nintendo will once again try to ride off thier past success instead of trying to create new stuff.

The idea of the controller having a port where you can plug in various "accessories" also scares me because that gives the Big N license to make any junk they want for a specific game and people will have to buy it.

I don't want to play Mario 3 on another system and i don't like the possibility of Nintendo forcing more gimmick crap on me to enjoy my games.

Well, the answer is simple. Don't buy it. Just don't complain when it rocks. 8-)

How the hell is it going to ROCK ?

look at Nintendo now, I can most certianly garantee you that REVo will in the same position as GameCube next generation. That controller isn't bringing a Revolutoin, its just a gimmik like Eye Toy. As far as ideal controller for FPS... thats horses shit, Metroid Prime is the only shooter on GameCube worth playing and it plays dam well with wavebird. Hacrdcore games might still be with Nintendo but I can garantee you that they are not dumbenough to buy NBA Street 3 on GC because it has mario and peach in it or SSX with those characters.

Sorry man I just don't buy the who Controller GIMMIK, Xbox is out selling Gamecube and Nintendo is going through crisis, they need a gimmick to get casual customers.. thats all their BS is with REVOLUTION.

[Ed Oscuro]

Wow, I was hoping that PS2Hawk might come in and offer up some words of encouragement...looks like I was wrong. Why do you have to take your partisan baloney with you wherever you go? As has been said many times - we haven't seen the system yet, so we don't know how it'll fare.

[MrSmiley381]

Yeah, PS2Hawk. I don't see what's so "GIMMIK"-y. Unless you mean gimmicky. You haven't see the end product yet. Be optimistic, bro. How do you know that the controller won't have ports for older controllers or something? How do you know it'll suck?

Remember: Gamecubes have been known to outlast the PS2 and XBox in terms of physical durability, and Gamecube appears to be the system with the lowest flood of crap (at least, from what I've seen so far.). Do you think that maybe - just maybe - the Revolution won't suck? Of course, it might. I might have to hit myself like a retard with the controller to jump. Maybe it'll have 8-bit graphics.

BUT NO ONE KNOWS.

[Aussie2B]

Honestly, I think everyone needs to just shut up about the Revolution. You can't judge the controller until you've held it in your hands and tried a few different games with it, and for goodness sakes, no one can judge the graphics or specs of the system when you haven't even seen ONE game's footage or a single tech demo. It shouldn't be a huge issue to begin with if even if the Revolution does end up having the weakest graphics, considering the industry doesn't lambast the PS2 for having the weakest graphics of this current generation. Why should only Nintendo get criticized for that?

As for all the whining about how Nintendo isn't revealing enough, what is with this obsession with a system's hype coming sooner and sooner? If this was the 360 we were talking about, I'd understand, since that system has a very close release. However, the Revolution is a LONG way off. Would people honestly prefer to see EXTREMELY early development footage that'll look poor and unpolished? Isn't that more disappointing than seeing nothing at all? I can just picture the fans from several years from now expecting information on the next console as soon as one comes out.

[njiska]

Wow, I was hoping that PS2Hawk might come in and offer up some words of encouragement...looks like I was wrong. Why do you have to take your partisan baloney with you wherever you go? As has been said many times - we haven't seen the system yet, so we don't know how it'll fare.

Well on the plus side he's better then Xizer. occasionally PS2 Hawk can be reasoned with.

But you're right, nobody knows anything about the Rev so what's the point of entering these childish trvial debates?

[Niku-Sama]

1 or 2 g5 processors crammed into a handheld...its going to be big

[Aussie2B]

How the hell is it going to ROCK ?

look at Nintendo now, I can most certianly garantee you that REVo will in the same position as GameCube next generation.

So do you only like things that are popular in the mainstream? Those are the only things you consider to be quality products? Do you always wait for the masses to give approval before you decide it's okay to like something?


Hacrdcore games might still be with Nintendo but I can garantee you that they are not dumbenough to buy NBA Street 3 on GC because it has mario and peach in it or SSX with those characters.

When it comes to multi-platform games, SMART gamers will go and buy the one with the best features. Plenty of hardcore gamers were "dumb enough" to buy Soul Caliber 2 on GameCube more than the other versions because it had the coolest exclusive character, Link.


Xbox is out selling Gamecube and Nintendo is going through crisis

Nintendo is a Japanese company. Nintendo is most concerned with how it does in Japan. The GameCube has sold many, MANY more times than the XBox in Japan. And considering they are comfortable financially, much better than Sony or the XBox portion of Microsoft, I fail to see where the "crisis" is.

[boatofcar]

Xbox is out selling Gamecube and Nintendo is going through crisis

Nintendo is a Japanese company. Nintendo is most concerned with how it does in Japan. The GameCube has sold many, MANY more times than the XBox in Japan. And considering they are comfortable financially, much better than Sony or the XBox portion of Microsoft, I fail to see where the "crisis" is.

Shhh, don't let logic get in the way!

[NESVIDIOT]

Who cares at this point, this is a board full of collectors, and almost everyone here will own a Rev, to go along with the 30 or 40 other systems they have.

I know I most certainly will buy a Rev- quite probably on launch day. But I am very biased. And I did buy NBA Street V3 just because it has Mario in it- for the most part I hate sports titles and can count on 2 hands how many sports games I own in a collection of 1000 games.

I have never underestimated Nintendo. I've never disliked Nintendo, and really in the grand picture, I've never been dissapointed by Nintendo.

And yes, you could say, and I would, that I am a fanboy.
I still own the PS'es and a modded X-box, and a ton of other systems, including almost all the Sega's. But my true love lies in the little fat plumber and the big N.

Let's see what the future has in store, because none of can really say with any certainty.

[sabre2922]

Honestly, I think everyone needs to just shut up about the Revolution. .

YEAH umm unless your going to say something posotive about the REVO right?

Just shut up everyone no I MEAN IT STOP IT

Shut up and dont have an opinion ESPECIALLY IF IT IS NEGATIVE OR NON-POPULAR i.e. Join in with the overjealous and Nintendo zealots!


After all what do you think this is ANYWAY? A FREE SPEECH BOARD ! ;)

DAMMIN ALL TO HELL EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE PS2 SUKXXOR cause its all weak and everygame on it looks like complete ASS! AND IT HAS NO GOOD GAMES !! :moon:

[sabre2922]

Anyway I like what Nintendo is going for with the Revolution and yeah I would also agree not every underestimate the big N for the many reasons wich all of us here are very aware of.

BUT why do CERTAIN PPL HERE HAVE TO GO INTO A THREAD AND TELL EVERYONE ELSE STOP POSTING ON THIS THREAD ITS POINTLES AND I JUST DONT LIKE IT YADA YADA YADA

Why dont you guys just state what you have to say and be done with it and IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FUCKING THREAD DONT READ IT OR FLAME OTHERS FOR POSTING ON IT fuck it all to hell man shit LOL :frustrated:

[Chronodriftersx]

BUT why do CERTAIN PPL HERE HAVE TO GO INTO A THREAD AND TELL EVERYONE ELSE STOP POSTING ON THIS THREAD ITS POINTLES AND I JUST DONT LIKE IT YADA YADA YADA

Why dont you guys just state what you have to say and be done with it and IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FUCKING THREAD DONT READ IT OR FLAME OTHERS FOR POSTING ON IT fuck it all to hell man shit LOL :frustrated:

:frustrated: inserts Bad Religion theme song for the thread :frustrated:
"Hey Do What You Want
But Don't Do It Around Me
Idleness and dissipation breed apathy
I sit on my ass all god damned day
oh misanthropic anthropoid with nothing
to say what you must , do all you can ,
break all the fucking rules , and go to hell with
Superman and die like a champion ya hey!
Hey I don't know if the billions will survive
but i'll believe in god when 1 and 1 are 5
my moniker is man and i'm rotten to the core,
i'll tear down the building just to pass through the door
so do what you must, do all you can ,
break all the fucking rules , and go to hell with
Superman and die like a champion ya hey!"

[nik]

you guys are too hardcore for me :(

[Fuyukaze]

When I saw the video for the Revolution, I was honestly shocked by it. It was the first thing that actualy interested me in getting the system. Beyond the handheld offerings, I havent bought a Nintendo system sense the SNES. So far, the options listed sound great! The old games being available for d/l, wi-fi support, and a swiss army controler. Yeah, I dont like the idea of paying to play all the old games, but if they run the d/l part like I believe they will, I wouldnt mind much as it would allow me to go after the games I want, rather then simply the games they want us to play. Then again, as only Nintendo has said anything about supporting the feature, it could be we are limited to only Nintendo titles. Not so bad if they give players the option to get games from other regions beyond the one they are playing from.

I dont get this whole thing of hardcore players sticking with Nintendo only bit though. I always believed hardcore gamers were people who played what was popular, in adition to what wasnt. Basicly any game. No, I dont consider myself to be a "hardcore" gamer. There are a number of games, I just wont touch. Games like Grand Theft Auto, or FPS games, or great 2D games made into 3D games. While my colection is large, I dont see 555 games makeing me any closer to being a hardcore gamer either. It doesnt make me hardcore, it makes me ecentric.

As far as buying it for colecting purposes? Sure, some of the members here may go do that, just so they can sit it on a shelf to stare at and never play, and then there's the rest of us who plan to buy it, and play the hell out of it. Yeah, we dont have screen shots, and yeah, we cant play a working demo right now. Saying its going to fail and be a horible system though, only shows how biased someone is. Will I actualy buy one once it is released? How the hell should I know? That's what, atleast a year off? It isnt today. Thats what matters. What I have seen of it, what I have read of it, has me interested. Nothing more, nothing less. That's a hell of alot more then the PS3 or the 360.

[Bronty-2]

well said

[atomicthumbs]

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[Aussie2B]

Honestly, I think everyone needs to just shut up about the Revolution. .

YEAH umm unless your going to say something posotive about the REVO right?

Just shut up everyone no I MEAN IT STOP IT

Shut up and dont have an opinion ESPECIALLY IF IT IS NEGATIVE OR NON-POPULAR i.e. Join in with the overjealous and Nintendo zealots!


After all what do you think this is ANYWAY? A FREE SPEECH BOARD ! ;)

DAMMIN ALL TO HELL EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE PS2 SUKXXOR cause its all weak and everygame on it looks like complete ASS! AND IT HAS NO GOOD GAMES !! :moon:

If you noticed, I never posted anything positive about the Revolution in my post. In fact, I don't have much of anything positive to say about it period because I don't feel QUALIFIED to make any judgments, positive or negative, based on virtually nothing besides some vague hype.

Likewise, I never said anything negative about the PS2 in my post either, unless you want to get your briefs in a bunch over my comment about it being the weakest system of this current generation as far as graphics go, WHICH IS A FACT. I don't give two craps about the XBox, but you won't see me denying that it is capable of the most impressive graphics of the three, because it is an unarguable fact based purely on hardware. And like I said, I don't think it's a huge issue as it doesn't affect the quality of the games, but apparently just the possibility of the Revolution having weaker graphics than the PS3 and 360 is enough reason to completely condemn it already to some people.

[Ed Oscuro]

Leave them alone, Aussie! No single person can deter them from continuing to beat this poor dead horse into glue.

[mr_pollock]

This is the most non-offensive stance I can take on this issue:

Nintendo is going to be coming out with a very standard/basic machine to develop for. Of course, the controller will be a hurdle for many developers, but the processor architecture will be easy to develop for. This should attract more programmers and developers, whereas the multi-processor/multi-core designs in the XBOX360 and PS3 will present giant obstacles for many developers. I think that the Revolution will showcase better games earlier in its lifetime. The XBOX360 and PS3 will have great games too, but they will most likely appear at least a year or a year and a half after the systems have been released.

[Julio III]

I think the new machine has so much potential. I want Nintendo to do what they said - target it towards non-gamers and have all sorts of new games using their new interface. I don't see their new controller as an obstacle but the point of the whole console - the reason to get it. The DS has shown what a new interface can do, one of the things I can't believe Nintendo didn't do was release Crossword and Sudoku games at launch, those games with daily downloadable puzzles could easily win a place in the schedule of many a commuter. If Nintendo can launch with a great ranch of software catering to all sorts of people (like their conductor and cooking ideas) then this may take off - if the price is right

[Buyatari]

The first three Nintendo systems NES, Gboy and SNES are the Star Wars,Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi from the movie world.

Then came episode 1. The N64. Its hard to get back on track after that. People still want to see what they have going on because they love the originals so much but they have all but given up on a sequel that lives up to the originals.