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njiska
11-11-2005, 06:21 PM
I was just wondering, now that we're approaching the 1 year aniversary of the DS and the PSP (in Japan) and in an attempt to see how the battle is going i'm curious what size collections the PSP and DS owners have built up.

I myself am DS only but i've got a good 14 Games for it.

Metroid Prime Hunters (but it's a pack in so i don't count it)
Super Mario 64 DS
Feel the Magic
Polarium
Nanostray
Kirby's Canvase Curse
Meteos
Trace Memory
Nintendogs: Dashaud and Friends
Bomberman
Castlevania
Metroid Prime Pinball
Trauma Centre: Under the Knife
Phoneix Wright: Ace Attorney
Lost in Blue

I had Ridge Racer but i got rid of it because i wasn't impressed.

To make matter's worse i'm gonna be picking up Mario Kart DS and Sonic Rush this week.

So how about the rest of you? How big is your collection?

snes_collector
11-11-2005, 06:25 PM
Polarium
Meteos
Metroid Prime Hunter: First Hunt
Wario Ware: Touched!

That list should double at Christmas

ClubNinja
11-11-2005, 06:27 PM
Well, I have both, enjoy both, but prefer the DS. I have 10 PSP games and 7 DS games. The difference is that there are only maybe two PSP games I'd still want that are presently available, yet there are about 10 DS games out already that I'd like to pick up.

NE146
11-11-2005, 06:28 PM
I definitely have more DS titles than I do PSP.. but then again the PSP can do a bit more if you know what I'm saying.. *cough*. :evil:

CYRiX
11-11-2005, 06:33 PM
From your damn avatar you probably put porn on your psp.

D-Lite
11-11-2005, 06:35 PM
From your damn avatar you probably put porn on your psp.
That is one of the few things it's good for at the moment.

DS>>>>>>>>>>>>>PSP right now at least

I have about 15 games for the DS and the best so far is probably Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan

le geek
11-11-2005, 06:48 PM
I have a DS and ONE game, Feel the Magic XX/XY.
I had The Urbs, Polarium, SMB64DS, Yoshi, and Sprung but I sold 'em... there are about 11 games I'd be interested in picking up at some point...

No PSP, but I'd be interested if they were cheaper. There are only 4 games I'd interested in at the moment...

Cheers,
Ben

njiska
11-11-2005, 06:52 PM
I have a DS and ONE game, Feel the Magic XX/XY.
I had The Urbs, Polarium, SMB64DS, Yoshi, and Sprung but I sold 'em... there are about 11 games I'd be interested in picking up at some point...

No PSP, but I'd be interested if they were cheaper. There are only 4 games I'd interested in at the moment...

Cheers,
Ben

Well that's a damn good choice to keep.

stuffedmonkey
11-11-2005, 06:53 PM
I don't ahve either at this point, but if I went out to buy one it would be a DS - no question. Half the price and better games - what's not to like?

Arkaign
11-11-2005, 06:56 PM
About the only thing they have in common is they're both portable.

DS has better games, and probably will stay that way .. Nintendo has been king of handheld gaming for what .. 15 years?

PSP is amazingly cool, mp3/movie/video/web/pics/mods, even some emu projects that look promising. And the screen is just beautiful.

They're just too different to really be true competitors for each other.

philosophyst
11-11-2005, 06:56 PM
I love my DS! I currently have 28 titles for it plus the Metroid demo cartridge. Looking forward to Mario Kart and Animal Crossing. I hope I can get that USB Wi-Fi thing soon.

PDorr3
11-11-2005, 07:14 PM
14 DS games not including the MP:H demo. I am getting Mario kart and sonic rush, and plan on getting a few more already released titles as well.

I only have 4 psp games....but I plan on increasing that by a few by xmas.

stressboy
11-11-2005, 08:16 PM
I do not have a DS, and only have 4 PSP games. I would have more but my wife has not been too willing to let me spend money on more games.

n8littlefield
11-11-2005, 08:20 PM
We have 2 DS's (his and hers). I think we have 7 games plus the Metroid demo (plus several GBA games). I love the system, I doubt I'll bother with a PSP unless the game selection really improves for it.

hezeuschrist
11-11-2005, 08:30 PM
Just a DS, only 5 games. That number would be much larger if the 360 weren't so close to launch.

sharp
11-11-2005, 08:45 PM
DS with the following games:
Advance Wars Dual Strike
Castlevania
Meteos
Pac-Pix
Project Rub
Super Mario 64 DS (only game I really don't like)
Zoo Keeper

and Metroid Demo and store demo from Yoshi Touch & Go.

I want to pick some more today, first want to check how Bubble Bobble Revolution plays if some stores get it. There is only one thing I don't like about he system and that's the huge pricegap between Europe and the USA for games.

squidblatt
11-11-2005, 08:50 PM
Nintendogs Chiuhhauauau and friends
Meteos
Zoo Keeper
Lost in Blue
Trauma Center
Castlevania

And many more that I want. The next game I get might be Nanostray or Advance Wars. Maybe both.

The PSP's games aren't tempting enough to get me to shell out the money, and I don't care about its other features. It's nice hardware, but useless to me.

NE146
11-11-2005, 09:06 PM
From your damn avatar you probably put porn on your psp.

Close!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/b2stoys/ph33r.jpg

:D

pacmanhat
11-11-2005, 09:06 PM
I have both systems...I'm pretty sure I have 13 DS games and 4 PSP games. I love both systems, though...it's just that the DS has gotten so many better (and cheaper) titles. There's a lot on my wishlist for both systems still, though.

njiska
11-11-2005, 09:10 PM
From your damn avatar you probably put porn on your psp.

Close!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/b2stoys/ph33r.jpg

:D

Let me be the first to say, "You magnificant bastard." 4xDK way to go.

slip81
11-11-2005, 09:24 PM
I have only the DS with two games, Trauma Center: Under the Knife and Nintendogs Best Friends. But there are easily 20 games that I really want for the system, while the only game I want for the PSP is the new GTA.

I love the DS, and I'll probably get a PSP as well, but not untill I can get the system along with GTA for under $150. So it'll be a long while.

joshnickerson
11-11-2005, 09:57 PM
Lord, let's see...

Feel The Magic
Kirby Canvas Curse
Nintendogs
Phoenix Wright
Polarium
Super Mario 64 DS
Trace Memory
Trauma Center
Zoo Keeper

And there's about a dozen or so games still on my radar, released and unreleased. I'm just too much of a cheap bastard to buy them all! *L*

Arkaign
11-11-2005, 10:00 PM
When $99 new-model DS is available, I'm first in line ;)

boatofcar
11-11-2005, 10:02 PM
I've got a PSP, and the sheer fact that it will make me upgrade my firmware will keep me from buying any more than the one game I have for it (THPS). I dunno, maybe I'll pick up Lumines once it goes GH.

I will buy a DS Mario Kart bundle on launch. Then I will buy Animal Crossing. Then I will be happy.

From a gaming standpoint, DS>PSP in my book, outside of NES emulation. That's all the PSP is to me at this point.

Famidrive-16
11-11-2005, 10:07 PM
Super Mario 64
Kirby: Canvas Curse
WarioWare Touched
Trauma Center

I'll probably pick up Castlevania or Phoenix next week...

Rogmeister
11-11-2005, 10:27 PM
I don't have a PSP (don't plan to get one either) and I only bought my DS 6 days ago so obviously my collection of games for it is small so far...3 titles at this point...

Nintendogs: Dachshund & Friends
Super Mario 64 DS
Zoo Keeper

I do plan to get more, of course. I know I'll be getting the DS Animal Crossing next month but have an open mind otherwise.

classicb
11-11-2005, 10:45 PM
I'm still waiting on the PSP I think it almost has enough games that I want for me to get it but the games are also more money so that's also kind of a road block.

DS wise I'm loving it (that's a big N WiFi joke)

I've got

Meteos
Advance Wars Duel Strike
Metroid Pinball
Nanostray
Zoo Keeper
Trace memory
Kirby Canvas Curse
Polarium
Wario Ware Touched
Super Mario 64 DS
Feel The Magic
Puyo Pop Fever
MP:H Demo

With about five more that I plan on buying soon. Sorry no 360 for me too many other great games out or coming out.

djbeatmongrel
11-11-2005, 10:49 PM
Well i'd like to be interested in the psp *got muhself a DS* but there isnt much going for it except for emulation.

heres my reasons for not liking:
-Costs too much for a portable
-Games cost more than ds ones
-most of the games already have superior counterparts on home consoles
-theres little to no innovative games

the DS is the inverse when it comes to these points
-fair price
-games cost less
-many titles can not be acquired on a home console
-lots of fresh games

not listing my GBA titles (considering i bought them when i got the DS) here is my DS collection:

Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Lost in Blue
Meteos
Metroid Prime Pinball
Mr. Driller Drill Spirits
Nanostray
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Ping Pals
Puyo Pop Fever
Retro Atari Classics
Space Invaders Revolution
Trace Memory
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Zoo Keeper

Damion
11-11-2005, 10:59 PM
Well lets see, my Ds collection just caught up with my PSP collection.

PSP

Darkstalkers
Ridge Racer
Metal Gear Ac!d
Coded Arms
Untold Legends
Hot Shots Golf
Lumines
Mercury
Wipeout Pure
and another one I can't think of right now.

DS

Advanced Wars DS
Trace Memory
Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
Super Mario DS
Yoshi touch and go!
Warioware Twisted (I think)
Polarium
Nintendogs
Feel the Magic: XY/XX

but yeah. I love'em both but right now all I can see that coming out that I care for is on the DS.

Enixis
11-12-2005, 05:41 AM
Currently have 14 PSP games:

Ridge Racers (RC2)
Popolocrois Montagani (RC2)
Tales of Eternia (RC2)
Lumines (RC1)
Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade (RC1)
Wipeout Pure (RC1)
Metal Gear AC!D (RC1)
Astonishia Story (w/ Illustration book) (Sealed) (RC3)
Tenchu Shinobi Taizen (w/ Premium Disc) (Sealed) (RC3)
Midnight Club 3: Dub Edition (RC1)
Death Jr. (RC1)
Coded Arms (RC1)
Twelve: Sengoku Fuushinden (Sealed) (RC2)
Virtua Tennis: World Tour (Sealed) (RC2 EUR)

More to follow.

roushimsx
11-12-2005, 05:47 AM
Just two games for DS:

Nintendogs Dachshund and Friends
Nanostray (which was a mistake, I admit)

I'd like to get Trauma Center eventually, but I doubt I'd ever find the time to play it.

jdc
11-12-2005, 06:00 AM
I have a PSP. I had fully intended to do a complete collection and started out well. At one point I owned 16 games for it. I looked at all of the games that I had completed. Many, like MediEvil, had no replay value and I decided to scrap the collecting idea and trade them in while they had decent value. I now keep games like Lumines and HotShots and trade those with no replay.

The DS is calling my name. I like the lower retail prices of the games and it looks like a very strong system to own. I've never seen one in action. My question is....does the image look as crisp and clean as a PSP? I had 2 GBAs and wasn't impressed enough by the image quality and lack of backlighting to keep them around.

ThirdEyeSharingan
11-12-2005, 06:15 AM
I have both a DS and PSP. Right now I spend a lot more time playing with my DS. Games like Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Super Princess Peach, Jump Superstars and Trauma Center Under the Knife are excellent. I do use my PSP, but more for watching movies. Right now the DS rules, but the PSP has some interesting upcoming titles. Rockman X Irregular Hunter, Exit, Karakuri and the Talkman language toy all look promising.

kevin_psx
11-12-2005, 07:03 AM
When does the DS Player come out - so I can play it on full-screen?

Mayhem
11-12-2005, 08:38 AM
DS >> PSP at the moment. I have 6 PSP games and at least 20 DS titles. No contest which I'm finding more fun to play.

Enixis
11-12-2005, 10:29 AM
Yea the DS definitely has better games at the moment. I might pick one up before christmas.

captain nintendo
11-12-2005, 10:47 AM
Just a DS, only 5 games. That number would be much larger if the 360 weren't so close to launch.


Bingo !

Same number of games and the metroid demo that came with it.

I would probably own another 10 games if I had not paid off my 360 some games and accesories.

The DS and the game selection have made me a handheld believer.

I dont own a PSP yet, but would like to. Its cool and you can do so many things with it.

The game selection isnt as good as the DS (IMO), But I am sure it will get there. *shrugs*

xaer0knight
11-12-2005, 11:02 AM
i have 4 DS games now. Castlevania DS, SMB64DS, Nanospray, and Polarium.... Nanospray and Castlevania were the reasons i picked the system, i would like to get more but my N64 is getting no attention.

IMO PSP is just to expensive and hearing how arrogant the creator about its flaws and saying that no one should questions its design when it comes to the X button Sticking and its PSP disc shotting out...

MuppetMaster
11-12-2005, 12:32 PM
Well I ditched the PSP in favor of the DS and now have the following games:

Nanostray
Trauma Center
Phoenix Wright
Feel the Magic
Metroid pinball
Harry Potter:Goblet of Fire
Pac n Roll-JP
Star Wars Episode 3-JP
Lost in Blue
Zoo Keeper
Advance Wars DS
Castlevania DOS
Rayman DS
Ultimate Spiderman
MP demo


and I preordered Bubble Booble Revolution ( will release on the 24th JP).

More quality titles coming as well! Mario Kart, Viewtiful Joe, Bust a move!

DDCecil
11-12-2005, 12:42 PM
I've had my DS for about a month now. Even though I've handled it very carefully, the outside is getting marked up and my screens are now getting some small scratches. I have 6 games for it:

Castlevania: DoS - Already through my 3rd time through it and I'm not even bored of it yet!

Super Mario 64 DS - I'm enjoying playing this on here than I ever did on the 64.

Feel the Magic XY/XX - Awesome, and I can't wait for the sequel in Feburary.

I also have:

Polarium
Atari Retro DS
Yu-gi-oh: Nightmare Troubadour

I don't really care for the last 3 games, but the first 3, WOW. I do want to pick up a couple of imports (Jump Superstars, Ganbare Goemon, and Osu! T-whatever). I also want to get Mario Kart DS, Phoenix Wright, and Trauma Center pretty soon.

The PSP, well, I'll get one, one of these days.

kedawa
11-13-2005, 08:32 AM
I've only got three games for my DS, but I'm very happy with it.

Advance Wars Dual Strike
Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
Meteos

I was thinking about picking up a PSP at launch, but I'm glad I didn't. There isn't a single game released for it yet that I want to play, and the GP2X is much better suited to homebrew and emulation than the PSP anyway.

Whiskers the Wonder Cat
11-13-2005, 09:01 AM
All DS needs is a brand new Pokemon game. And whoosh, the % of DS and that game sold will go through the roof.

They should release like a limited edition Pokemon DS in the U.S. That will do extremely well. Especially around the Holidays.

Super Mario Fan
11-13-2005, 09:28 AM
Mine goes to the DS. I've had it since launch, and I took a few months off gaming, but this is sucking me back in.

I don't have that many games for it, becasue I just wasn't feeling games for a while. But, I do have:

Super Mario 64 DS
Warioware Touched!
Yoshi's Touch and Go
Spiderman 2
Kirby's Canvas Curse

Kirby's Canvas Curse was the last video game I bought, and this was back in June! But Mario Kart DS will be my next purchase, along with the dongle off of Nintendo.com's Store. I also have that Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt Demo, and the Twilight Princess preview card. Spiderman 2 is still in it's cellophane wrapper, and it came with the system when I bought it!

drummy
11-13-2005, 10:11 AM
I have a DS, and I have the teal one with the Nintendogs: Best Friends pack-in. I don't like it too much, but I have Jump! Superstars and Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan, and Super Mario 64 DS coming into my possession. I also plan on getting Mario Kart DS, SBK: Snowboard Kids, and Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time in the very near future, and possibly a USB Wifi Connector; and if I get one, then I'm getting the new Animal Crossing game that will be released. I am also trying to get Daigasso! Band Brothers, as well as the GBA expansion cart with the extra songs, as I heard the game rocks. Also, some good games are coming out in Japan in the next year that I will probably import as the US might not see these releases. Daigasso! Band Brothers was even given a US name (Jam with the Band) and a possible US release, but that was when the DS was launched here in the US, and there is no word of Jam With the Band coming out here. The PSP looks cool and powerful, but as a lot of other people are pointing out, the game selection is a bit weak, even with imports. I also hear it has bad loading times, which turns me off. However, Liberty City Stories definitely looks cool, but since I never take my portables out of my room anyways, I might as well satisfy my need to plaY GTA on the PS2 or Xbox.

Julio III
11-13-2005, 12:04 PM
My DS games in the order that I bought them:

Project Rub
Warioware: Touched!
Sprung
Electroplankton
Polarium
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith
Another Code: Two Memories
Meteos
Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan

and there's a whole list of games out now that I plan on getting sometime (Zoo Keeper, Lost In Blue, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Centre etc)

mmpoole8
11-13-2005, 12:31 PM
I have a DS with the following games:

Advance Wars Dual Strike
Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
Diagasso! Band Brothers
Feel the Magic
Kirby Canvas Curse
Meteos
Nintendos Chihuahua & Friends
Phoenix Wright
Polarium
Super Mario 64
Trauma Center
WarioWare Touched
Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare in Troubadour
Yoshi Touch & Go

Looking to pick up Mario Cart and Animal Crossing and maybe Sonic and Snowboard Kids in the next month.

RedHerring
11-13-2005, 12:41 PM
DS :

Phoenix Wright
Trauma Center
Lost in Blue
Mario 64
Nintendogs
Trace Memory
Polarium
Kirby
Ossu!Tatakae!Ouendan!
Advance Wars
Meteos
Wario Ware
Castlevania

PSP :

Wipeout
Lumines
Metal Gear Acid
Taiko no Tatsujin
Grand Theft Auto
Mercury
Ape Escape
Untold Legends
Intelligent License

stonecutter
11-13-2005, 12:44 PM
In my house we have 2 DS systems, and about 8 games, no PSP.

This probably isn't the right place for this statement, but after everything this last week with Sony, and their root kit installs, I hope you will all seriously consider not buying Sony products. I know its tough with video games, but look at what they did to their loyal consumers. Thats not right.

Sylentwulf
11-13-2005, 12:52 PM
I only have a DS which was based solely on price point of the system and games (It was birthday last year).

Frankly, I regret it. I would have rather had the 2 people pool their money together and get me a PSP with no games instead.

THATinkjar
11-13-2005, 01:31 PM
I only have a DS which was based solely on price point of the system and games (It was birthday last year).

Frankly, I regret it. I would have rather had the 2 people pool their money together and get me a PSP with no games instead.

What games have you been playing? Perhaps we can recommend some you might enjoy, and help you feel better about buying a Nintendo DS?

njiska
11-13-2005, 01:49 PM
I only have a DS which was based solely on price point of the system and games (It was birthday last year).

Frankly, I regret it. I would have rather had the 2 people pool their money together and get me a PSP with no games instead.

What games have you been playing? Perhaps we can recommend some you might enjoy, and help you feel better about buying a Nintendo DS?

Hell Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow alone is worth the price of admission.

dbiersdorf
11-13-2005, 02:02 PM
I have had my DS since launch and love it, and recently picked up a PSP. Although my Micro probably gets the most used, I enjoy all three portables (well all four if you count my N-Gage). I have a lot of PSP games to catch up on, so yeah, my PSP list is very bare bones.

Nintendo DS titles -

Ashpahlt Urban GT (although I'll sell it the day a better racer hits the market)
Feel the Magix XX/XY
Kirby Canvus Curse
Lost in Blue (yet such a horrible game I might sell)
Meteos
Nanostray
Nintendogs: Lab and Friends
Pac 'n Roll (best DS game to date right here folks)
Pac-Pix
Puyo Pop Fever (will sell when number 2 hits the market though)
Rayman DS
Sprung (underrated)
Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith
Super Mario 64 DS
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Wario Ware Touched!
Yoshi Touch & Go
Zoo Tycoon

TOTAL - 18 games

These are the DS games I plan on picking up however,

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow (maybe, don't have much interest in these games)
Pheonix Wright: Ace Attorney
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble
Metroid Prime Pinball
Dig Dug: Digging Strike (maybe..)

Sony PSP titles -

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (portable GOTY.. that is until Mario Kart)
Twisted Metal: Head-On

TOTAL - 2 games

Some PSP games I hope to get soon,

Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee
Ape Escape on the Loose (pending in actually)
Death Jr.
Namco Museum Battle Collection
Virtua Tennis World Tour
SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo
Star Wars Battle Front II
Burnout Legends
MediEvil Ressurection (maybe)

I would never have a PSP had I not got one with three games for $120, the deal was great so I couldn't pass it up. However I would have never paid the retail $250. Way too much for a handheld, and I feel sorry for the people who did.

Sylentwulf
11-13-2005, 03:31 PM
What games have you been playing? Perhaps we can recommend some you might enjoy, and help you feel better about buying a Nintendo DS?

Feel the magic xx/xy - Great game, I'll get the sequel. Bit short maybe. Never could figure out how to really get the unlockables.

Driller Spirits - Great game, could have used some more modes, or expand the modes it had. No complaints here

Meteos - OK game, more repetitive and kinda too "lucky" for my tastes. Unlockables are fun, getting 25 soul and time thingies is not fun.

Yoshi touch n go - horrible
Sprung - Well, I got what I paid for, and what I expected.
Mario 64 - It's mario 64? This doesn't count as an original game

Mario Kart - I was HORRIBLY let down with the gba version, I doubt I'll get the DS version

Wario Touched - Yeah, it's got a touch screen, I GET IT. NEXT?!

Metroid - For a pack in demo, you'd think they would release it SOMETIME.

Castlevania - I have no doubt I will love this game when I pick it up.

Nintendogs - no thanx.
Trauma Center - I'm sure will follow feel the magic when I get it, I'll like it, a bit short, solid game.
Viewtiful Joe, Mario & Luigi, Advanced wars - all sequels to games I REALLY didn't like.


If you can honestly suggest something else I'd be interested in, feel free :)

Super Mario Fan
11-26-2005, 10:26 PM
What games have you been playing? Perhaps we can recommend some you might enjoy, and help you feel better about buying a Nintendo DS?

Feel the magic xx/xy - Great game, I'll get the sequel. Bit short maybe. Never could figure out how to really get the unlockables.

Driller Spirits - Great game, could have used some more modes, or expand the modes it had. No complaints here

Meteos - OK game, more repetitive and kinda too "lucky" for my tastes. Unlockables are fun, getting 25 soul and time thingies is not fun.

Yoshi touch n go - horrible
Sprung - Well, I got what I paid for, and what I expected.
Mario 64 - It's mario 64? This doesn't count as an original game

Mario Kart - I was HORRIBLY let down with the gba version, I doubt I'll get the DS version

Wario Touched - Yeah, it's got a touch screen, I GET IT. NEXT?!

Metroid - For a pack in demo, you'd think they would release it SOMETIME.

Castlevania - I have no doubt I will love this game when I pick it up.

Nintendogs - no thanx.
Trauma Center - I'm sure will follow feel the magic when I get it, I'll like it, a bit short, solid game.
Viewtiful Joe, Mario & Luigi, Advanced wars - all sequels to games I REALLY didn't like.


If you can honestly suggest something else I'd be interested in, feel free :)


II'm not sure if it would tickle your fancy, but were you a fan of Animal Crossing on the Gamecube? I know a lot of people were, and the one for the DS just keeps on looking better and better. It seems to retain a lot of the old stuff (NES games aside) and it looks like it's going to take the series up to the next step. Online play is going to be killer. I think that if you only played one game on the DS, this one should be it. I think that this game alone is worth the price of a DS. This is going to be the only game I purchase between now and when Twilight Princess comes out. I don't doubt for a second that it's going to keep me busy for months. I think all DS owners should purchase this game.

sharkbates
11-27-2005, 01:00 AM
Have 2 DS', just picked up a second one this weekend with the Target $99 sale.

Only interested in the PSP for emulation and $250 is still too steep for that.

Games for the DS:

Nintendogs:Chihuahua
Nintendogs:Dachshund
Meteos
Zookeeper
Puyo Pop
Mr Driller
Wario Ware
Mario Kart
Castlevania
Trauma Center
Trace Memory
Atari Retro
Kirby Canvas Curse

Looking forward to:

Animal Crossing
Metriod Pinball
Sonic Rush
Phoenix Wright

Favorites include:

Trauma Center
Castlevania
Mario Kart
Meteos

Cant wait to get my wife involved with some head2head Mario Kart and puzzle play, ie Meteos/Zookeeper

Love the DS. :D :D :D

Ulticron
11-27-2005, 08:27 AM
Let's see DS:
Mario 64 DS
Polarium
Retro Atari

I won't be buying any games for anything till January, but right now Mario Kart, Sonic Dash, and that new 2D Mario are on the must get list.

Nothing for the PSP, not even the unit itself. Originally I had no plans of getting it but I've heard they're going to put out Mega Man Legends for it, and a remix of the original Mega Man. Being the insane fan of MM I am that means I'll have to eventually get one. First I'll buy the games though and then wait till the PSP goes in the bargin bins.

Teknik_SE-R
12-17-2005, 07:56 PM
From your damn avatar you probably put porn on your psp.

Close!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/b2stoys/ph33r.jpg

:D

sorry to bring up an old thread but I have been interested in buying one of these systems for a while... that and I just get a kick out of this every time the above quote happens. Its the same reaction every time too! LOL I also see NE146's avatar has changed for the holiday season!!!

as for the vs. argument. I have a friend that has a ds and one with a psp (I couldn't commit to either cuz of money and I wasn't able to decide at first)

one friend that has a psp doesn't have a single game... can't afford it. my firend with the DS bought two games the day he got it.

from what I've seen, the PSP is exactly what it says it is, a playstation portable. I love my ps2, but i love my gamecube more, simply befcause the games are more fun imo.

from playing both systems, I must say the ds is more appealing. i was wary of the gimmicky setup, but I now see that it it has its uses, and i congratulate nintendo for once again sticking their necks out and trying something new.

the library of games for the DS just kicks its competitors ass too, and i personally don't see any point to the extra features of the psp.

The movie format: you can't watch the movies except on the psp's tiny screen whoop dee doo! and the mp3 playback: no thank you, I will go with my dedicated 60 gig ipod for that.

XxMe2NiKxX
12-17-2005, 11:50 PM
I have 19 DS games and 1 PSP game (not counting 600 ROMs). If the PSP didn't have emulation, I would hate it. Its retail games are, in my opinion, horrible, with the exception of the amazingly well done Wipeout Pure.

On the other hand, the DS has amazing retail games, and Mario Kart DS, in my opinion, is the best game to come out this year, and probably my favourite Mario Kart of all time.

SnappleMan
12-18-2005, 03:25 AM
Unfortunately, I'm going to be forced to buy a PSP as soon as Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth is released in Japan.

Although, I do live with the tri-Ace Superfan (Aussie2b if any of you know her), so she'll probably end up buying both the game and the system! :D

Snapple
12-18-2005, 04:52 AM
Whoa.

I don't know whether to be more surprised that there's someone else with a similar board name to mine, or that your avatar appears to be the OxyClean guy. Why oh why did it have to be the OxyClean guy?



Um, on topic. At first I hated the idea of the DS. Inferior technology to the PSP with some shallow bells and whistles added like a blow microphone and a styllus. But I have come full circle. I don't even play my PSP anymore. The DS I've come to realize is a much more appropriate device for handheld gaming. Handheld gaming should be about simple fun that you can pick up or put down at any time. With the PSP, it's like... I've played all this stuff on my PS2. I don't need a small screen version, too.

petewhitley
12-18-2005, 06:41 PM
I love all these luddites who come up and say ridiculous stuff like "handheld gaming should be simple". Says who? I want to take a portable anywhere I please and play games that are just as intricate and detailed as those I play on the big screen at home. Trust me, my brain can handle the pressure of managing six buttons on the PSP while I'm staying at the Marriot. Then there's the classic "who wants a PSP to play music/movies/etc. when I've got an iPod/DVD portable/etc." Quite a few people obviously do, and if you don't, don't use those features. It's asinine to pass on a portable because it has extra features.

I'll quit now. Everyone here knows I prefer my PSP to my girl's DS. She loves that little doggie shit with N64-era textures. I don't. To each his/her own.

SnappleMan
12-18-2005, 08:20 PM
Textures over gameplay and selection. Seems to be a popular trend among American gamers. As long as a system can produce a high polygon count it's worth keeping.

I don't own either a DS or a PSP, I think they're both gimmicky and too expensive. But, the PSP seems to be less about gaming and more about overall digital entertainment. In that regard it fails as a portable PS2, and also fails are a portable gaming system because the selection of games it has is not very good.

Looking at the PSP in terms of what it is, it fails all around. It's not a very good game system (poor selection of games, and that big beautiful screen doesn't handle movement very well). It's not a very good entertainment center with its limited media and short battery life, and the overall hardware is flawed and is prone to many problems.

The DS suffers from many of its own problems, but I think it's a much better value than the PSP. in the end both are a ripoff.

Ofcourse, I still play my GBC and think that's great, so to each his own indeed.

classicb
12-18-2005, 08:38 PM
Ofcourse, I still play my GBC and think that's great, so to each his own indeed.

well if you're going to go back that far I'd rather have a NGPC The GBC was probably the worst entry in the Gameboy line of systems but if you love the games at least play them on a GBASP.

oops I got off track the DS owns the PSP ... I mean the PSP owns the DS... I mean the N-Gage owns them both LOL no really I love my N-Gage and I love debating video game systems on the internet its so super duper fun.

SnappleMan
12-18-2005, 08:45 PM
Well, I'd agree with what you said about the GBC if I didn't prove myself wrong of that idea a long time ago. I only really play it for one game (Star Ocean : Blue Sphere) and the GBA/SP do not play it perfectly. So the GBC is a required piece of equipment.

I also have a couple of NGPC's and I think that right there is the single best handheld ever created! Followed by the Turbo Express!

petewhitley
12-18-2005, 09:56 PM
I don't own either a DS or a PSP, I think they're both gimmicky and too expensive. But, the PSP seems to be less about gaming and more about overall digital entertainment. In that regard it fails as a portable PS2, and also fails are a portable gaming system because the selection of games it has is not very good.

Looking at the PSP in terms of what it is, it fails all around. It's not a very good game system (poor selection of games, and that big beautiful screen doesn't handle movement very well). It's not a very good entertainment center with its limited media and short battery life, and the overall hardware is flawed and is prone to many problems.

From almost all accounts, the PSP has the finest screen in handheld gaming (some argument may be had that it is rivaled by the new SP). I've never seen any problems with it handling movement, nor have I heard this argument before ... Any sources on this? Perhaps not owning one you've been misinformed? And I don't know what kind of media capabilities you would require in a portable entertainment center, as the PSP is one of the most adept portable devices for a wide, wide range of media ... Nor have there been many complaints of hardware problems, with some outcry over stuck/dead pixels at launch and virtually nothing else.

My point is this: There is alot of hype on these boards in particular how the PSP is somehow failing or floundering, while the hard facts do not support this whatsoever. Sales data, critical reviews, and swelling software support speak for themselves. I'm a blatant PSP fan and supporter, and have been since launch. But to see so much blatant disinformation repeatedly echoed about this system really makes me wonder how objective the DP community is. I'm not going to rain praise on the DS, but I'm not going to start spreading rumors about it's reliability/etc. either. Nor am I going to start inane threads titled "PSP = DS ownage!" in an attempt to justify my purchase of one system over another (though in fact, my household has both).

[None of that is directed towards SnappleMan or anyone in particular, but the community here in general. This thread is simply a prime example of said trends.]

I think we need a word filter at DP so the initials "DS" and "PSP" show up as "Tweedle Dee" and "Tweedle Dum" in posts.

SnappleMan
12-19-2005, 12:00 AM
From almost all accounts, the PSP has the finest screen in handheld gaming (some argument may be had that it is rivaled by the new SP). I've never seen any problems with it handling movement, nor have I heard this argument before ... Any sources on this? Perhaps not owning one you've been misinformed? And I don't know what kind of media capabilities you would require in a portable entertainment center, as the PSP is one of the most adept portable devices for a wide, wide range of media ... Nor have there been many complaints of hardware problems, with some outcry over stuck/dead pixels at launch and virtually nothing else.

Well, I don't own one but my younger brother does. So I do have first hand experiance. I've noticed that with 3D games it has a strange way of scrolling where it blurrs the action, much like the original gameboy screen. My girlfriend has noticed this too. The 2D games I've played (Darkstalkers and GGXX) seemed to have no problems with this.

Do you think that his Tweedle Dum might be faulty?

Also, by media I mean what it supports. There's no way to really turn it into a multimedia entertainment machine because right now the memory sticks are too small, and expensive. I'm sure that in the future there will be better ways to carry your favorite music or movies with you on your Tweedle Dum, but for now it just seems like all of the extra features it has are really lacking because the lack of storage.

I know it's unfair of me to compare a Tweedle Dum to a 30gb MP3 player or something like that, but when it's advertised that way, I would expect it to be able to hold its own.

The only thing I'd really want to get a Tweedle Dum for would be emulation of older consoles, but the high price tag makes it not worth it.

petewhitley
12-19-2005, 10:35 AM
Well, I don't own one but my younger brother does. So I do have first hand experiance. I've noticed that with 3D games it has a strange way of scrolling where it blurrs the action, much like the original gameboy screen. My girlfriend has noticed this too. The 2D games I've played (Darkstalkers and GGXX) seemed to have no problems with this.

Do you think that his Tweedle Dum might be faulty?

I'm thinking this must be primarily a problem with game development? I mean, I can watch encoded video and UMDs on mine without a hint of blurring. Perhaps you guys just have damn good eyes for refresh rates. I don't know the technical aspects of it, but this is a complaint I've neither experienced myself or heard of before.

Teknik_SE-R
12-19-2005, 01:17 PM
I'm not putting the PSP down for having extra features, that's obviously stupid. but what I find stupid is the way those features are implemented, and the resulting increase in cost of the unit for these features.

The psp marketing scheme:

"a 2 gig memory card for $199 (on top of the 299 you payed for the PSP), that isn't in standard format, so you can't directly plug it into anything else."

"plays all of your favorite movies on umd for ten bucks more than the cost of the movie on DVD and you can only watch it on your PSP!"

The way I look at it, is that extra features are good Ideas IF they don't get in the way of the primary function of the system, and in the case of the psp, I think they did get in the way: it negatively affected the cost of the system and the quality standards for the games. The time and $ spent on integrating movie playback/hollywood production company contracts to make their movies in umd format, and mp3 playback integration could have been spent on further refining the vg development standards (character size to environment size ratios, refresh rates, detail emphasis to better differentiate background from character, etc) I'm sure it will get better with time. for their first try at a handheld, they did a kickass job, but it seems that 90% of it was a marketing creation. like the Action Gamemaster (http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/special/active11.html)

The DS, although gimmicky, at least has its focus right, directed purely at gaming. and for 129, it isn't that bad of a price. That's $20 more than the spinach screen cost at launch.

Like I said, I'm not talking smack on the psp for having extra features, but it, like almost every other multi function device, tries to be everything, and ends up being sub par in all categories.

as for the screen, I think of it as playing a ps2 game on a 4 inch screen. the camera angles and camera switching is too wild for such a small screen, and the character to environment size ratio seems to be unadjusted for the smaller screen. It's like living with toilet paper cores glued to you eyesockets.

Nintendo seems to have the character to environment ratio is pretty well hammered, which makes playing games on the DS easier on the eyes (and more enjoyable imo, cuz you don't have to fight with the graphics to see something).

I can personally justify possibly $200 for a psp, but not $250 or $300. I'll spend my $300 on a next gen home system that I can play on my bigscreen. thank you.

This is just my opinion and view of the issue. I know that my friend, who is always on the go, and doens't have time to sit down at his house to play his ps2, but wants to play the "latest and greatest" games, loves his PSP. he uses the internet function and the music function alot, and loves it. however, he spits at the cost of the memory cards, and thinks the movie idea was a bunch of crap, just like me. he bought it primarily for the games, and uses the extra features as... well... extra features. the problem I have is that he spent probably $150 for the game system, and $100 for the extra features. And 90% of it's use is through gaming. kindof an imbalanced cost to usefullness ratio.

Griking
12-19-2005, 07:32 PM
Nevermind - I won't get suckered in.

classicb
12-19-2005, 08:20 PM
Nevermind - I won't get suckered in.

good call, I'm surprised I posted at all in this thread. I told myself some time ago I woudn't post in threads that had the word "ownage" in it.

njiska
12-19-2005, 08:35 PM
Nevermind - I won't get suckered in.

good call, I'm surprised I posted at all in this thread. I told myself some time ago I woudn't post in threads that had the word "ownage" in it.

Hey i take offense to that.

If you can think of a better word then ownage to describe the amount of copies people own, i'd like to hear it.

I started this thread so you should've known right away that was never any intended fanboy-ism.

classicb
12-19-2005, 08:55 PM
Nevermind - I won't get suckered in.

good call, I'm surprised I posted at all in this thread. I told myself some time ago I woudn't post in threads that had the word "ownage" in it.

Hey i take offense to that.

If you can think of a better word then ownage to describe the amount of copies people own, i'd like to hear it.

I started this thread so you should've known right away that was never any intended fanboy-ism.

come on anytime you put two systems VS and "ownage" you're just asking for trouble weather you wanted it or not. if you wanted to see what people owned for both systems why not use "&" instead of "VS"

njiska
12-19-2005, 10:53 PM
Nevermind - I won't get suckered in.

good call, I'm surprised I posted at all in this thread. I told myself some time ago I woudn't post in threads that had the word "ownage" in it.

Hey i take offense to that.

If you can think of a better word then ownage to describe the amount of copies people own, i'd like to hear it.

I started this thread so you should've known right away that was never any intended fanboy-ism.

come on anytime you put two systems VS and "ownage" you're just asking for trouble weather you wanted it or not. if you wanted to see what people owned for both systems why not use "&" instead of "VS"

You should try reading the thread and see how little fanboyism has actually gone on. Prior to Teknik_SE-R bringing the issue back up, it was slim to nil.

And an & does not imply a comparision which is what the thread was meant to be. You judge a book by it's cover and that's rarely a wise move.

classicb
12-19-2005, 10:59 PM
Nevermind - I won't get suckered in.

good call, I'm surprised I posted at all in this thread. I told myself some time ago I woudn't post in threads that had the word "ownage" in it.

Hey i take offense to that.

If you can think of a better word then ownage to describe the amount of copies people own, i'd like to hear it.

I started this thread so you should've known right away that was never any intended fanboy-ism.

come on anytime you put two systems VS and "ownage" you're just asking for trouble weather you wanted it or not. if you wanted to see what people owned for both systems why not use "&" instead of "VS"

You should try reading the thread and see how little fanboyism has actually gone on. Prior to Teknik_SE-R bringing the issue back up, it was slim to nil.

And an & does not imply a comparision which is what the thread was meant to be. You judge a book by it's cover and that's rarely a wise move.

using a nonsense word like "ownage" makes you sound like someone from GameFAQs which is whatever kind of move you want it to be. I'm well aware of when the bashing started I'm just saying it was bound to happen with a title like that.

njiska
12-19-2005, 11:18 PM
Nevermind - I won't get suckered in.

good call, I'm surprised I posted at all in this thread. I told myself some time ago I woudn't post in threads that had the word "ownage" in it.

Hey i take offense to that.

If you can think of a better word then ownage to describe the amount of copies people own, i'd like to hear it.

I started this thread so you should've known right away that was never any intended fanboy-ism.

come on anytime you put two systems VS and "ownage" you're just asking for trouble weather you wanted it or not. if you wanted to see what people owned for both systems why not use "&" instead of "VS"

You should try reading the thread and see how little fanboyism has actually gone on. Prior to Teknik_SE-R bringing the issue back up, it was slim to nil.

And an & does not imply a comparision which is what the thread was meant to be. You judge a book by it's cover and that's rarely a wise move.

using a nonsense word like "ownage" makes you sound like someone from GameFAQs which is whatever kind of move you want it to be. I'm well aware of when the bashing started I'm just saying it was bound to happen with a title like that.

But you can't actually prove that now can you? We went for over a month without any bashing and the thread passed into the night. Then someone decided to bring it back with a bash.

The title has nothing to do with it, if some one is looking for a fight they'll start it anywhere regardless of title and due to the length of time it took for a bash to occur i'd hardly say the title was bait either.

But why the hell are we arguing over the title anyways? It's just as pointless.

classicb
12-19-2005, 11:22 PM
But why the hell are we arguing over the title anyways? It's just as pointless.

agreed :)

njiska
12-19-2005, 11:32 PM
But why the hell are we arguing over the title anyways? It's just as pointless.

agreed :)

Cool. :)

Now on-topic, add Mario Kart, Sonci Rush and Viewtiful Joe to my DS collection. It's still sucking up my money.

retroman
12-19-2005, 11:39 PM
Long live the N-GAGE......its still the shit...play the game ONE, and System Rush....

Zilla
12-19-2005, 11:45 PM
I own the DS and I havent played it alot mostly due to time constrants and playing mostly NES as of late. I am glad I own it and there have been releases lately that beg to be bought and tried out. As far as the PSP goes I'm sure I'd like it but it seems out of my price range right now and I will probably have to hold off for a long time before I can get my hands on one to enjoy. For me the GBA SP is the way to go. I like the way it looks and the games are cheap and fun and abundant. All in all though when it comes to new systems I find that there is always something I like about each offering and it ends up being price that determines what I get first. Just happens DS won that battle with the PSP in my household.

classicb
12-19-2005, 11:50 PM
Long live the N-GAGE......its still the shit...play the game ONE, and System Rush....

well as a fellow N-Gage fanatic i agree. I say play Rifts and High Seize though. Although System Rush is what I always dreamed Tron mixed with F-Zero would be. :) and One is well better than the fighting games for the DS and PSP so far.

Teknik_SE-R
12-20-2005, 10:14 AM
sorry.... I've just been tossing the idea around about getting one or the other, and now that the hype is dying down, we can now see the actual system behind the marketing facades.

goatdan
12-20-2005, 12:03 PM
I love all these luddites who come up and say ridiculous stuff like "handheld gaming should be simple". Says who?

Apparently, the same people that bitched about Rayman DS not being able to save anywhere you want at any time. From having played quite a bit of Rayman DS lately, I think that argument is about as pointless as people who say that the PSP doesn't have any good games.

It seems on the surface that people want handheld gaming to be simple affairs that you can pick up and play for a minute and then save. But even looking at some of the best releases for the DS so far, they don't play like that. Castlevania, Mario Kart... no option to stop and save in the middle of your adventure / race... yet that isn't a problem. I think in general, gamers need to admit to themselves that a good game is a good game no matter where it is being played, and stop trying to give it more qualities than that.

Having said that, almost EVERYTHING on the PSP is "simpler" than everything on the DS thanks to the fact the DS is using a stylus to do wildly different controls for nearly every game. I don't know why people stating the DS is better cite it as being "simpler" to use. There is definitely more of a learning curve to it.

WanganRunner
12-20-2005, 10:03 PM
My girlfriend just picked up my DS today! But I won't get it until xmas.

I already bought Polarium and Feel the Magic, just because they were cheap.

WanganRunner
12-20-2005, 10:12 PM
My girlfriend just picked up my DS today! But I won't get it until xmas.

I already bought Polarium and Feel the Magic, just because they were cheap ($10 each at TRU).

I'll be grabbing SM64, Kart, Animal Crossing, Trauma, and Electroplankton the first week I have the system. Can't wait.

Crazycarl
12-20-2005, 11:30 PM
my DS list:

Kirby Canvas Curve
Mario 64 DS
Mr. Driller
Sprung (5 bucks)
Ping Pals
Truama Center
Feel the Magic

and then i got my g/f the teal Nintendogs bundle so i'll just add that into mine lol, and zoo keeper.

and as far as the psp vs. DS argument has gone, there is nothing I can say that hasn't already been said. It's been beaten more then the dead horse in the back yard.

Slate
03-18-2006, 09:59 PM
I have a DS and PSP, I updated the list again.

DS: 6 Games

Asphalt Urban GT
Brain Age
Feel The Magic XY XX
Nintendogs Lab Version
Super Mario 64 DS
Warioware: Touched!


PSP: 3 Games

Burnout: Legends
Frantix
Pursuit Force


And, here is my "To buy" list:

DS: 3 Games

Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time
The New Super Mario Bros.
Super Princess Peach

PSP: 6 Games

Exi
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
GUN Showdown
Kingdom Of Paradise
Need For Speed Underground Rivals
PoPoLoCrois
Sid Meir's Pirates!
Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix

FireMillen
03-18-2006, 11:09 PM
I own a DS and PSP.

DS: 4 Games

Asphalt Urban GT
Nintendogs Lab Version
Super Mario 64 DS
Warioware: Touched!


PSP: 2 Games

Burnout: Legends
Frantix


And, here is my "Soon to buy" list:

DS: 0 Games

PSP: 3 Games

Exit
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Pursuit Force

so let me get this straight. you're actually considering NOT buying tetris DS?!?!?! *fallz out*

Slate
03-19-2006, 05:06 PM
I own a DS and PSP.

DS: 4 Games

Asphalt Urban GT
Nintendogs Lab Version
Super Mario 64 DS
Warioware: Touched!


PSP: 2 Games

Burnout: Legends
Frantix


And, here is my "Soon to buy" list:

DS: 0 Games

PSP: 3 Games

Exit
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Pursuit Force

so let me get this straight. you're actually considering NOT buying tetris DS?!?!?! *fallz out*

I am not a tetris fan. I didn't even know that there was one coming to the DS...

segagamer4life
03-20-2006, 11:37 AM
Yeah Tetris ships today, along with Metroid Prime Hunters.... nice. :)

njiska
03-20-2006, 04:28 PM
Yeah Tetris ships today, along with Metroid Prime Hunters.... nice. :)

Fuck there goes more of my hard earned dough. :P

segagamer4life
03-20-2006, 06:15 PM
Yeah Tetris ships today, along with Metroid Prime Hunters.... nice. :)

Fuck there goes more of my hard earned dough. :P


lol yeah, but I have to get splinter cell for the psp as well.... damn my wallet is going to hurt this week..LOL

FullCircle
03-21-2006, 09:42 AM
I've got 12 DS games and only 1 PSP game.

DS
Animal Crossing
Castlevania
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
Nintendogs - all 3
Rub Rabbits
Super Mario 64 DS
Super Princess Peach
Trauma Center
Wario War: Touched

PSP
GTA LCS

I don't like the PSP because I've gotta keep the joint of my thumb on the analog stick instead of the tip. If I play with my thumb tip, my tendonitis acts up and my left hand turns into a claw. And I hate having to constantly wipe the damn thing off like the GBA Micro 20th Anniv. Edition.

FullCircle
03-24-2006, 04:14 PM
Ooh, I just got a USB cable for the PSP and added some emulators, Doom and Quake! This is great! The DS is still better, though, because Sony never intended to have these games playable on their system.

Griking
05-10-2006, 10:00 AM
Any updated sales figures for these two portables?

The PSP has been out long enough now that a comparison would be fair.

Happy_Dude
05-10-2006, 10:29 AM
DS games

Wario Ware : touched
Super Mario DS
Polarium
Mr Driller : Drill spirits
Metroid Prime demo

Bought it at launch but haven't really had the money for games.
Now they're hitting the bargain bins I'll be picking up lots more :)

JJNova
05-10-2006, 03:00 PM
Any updated sales figures for these two portables?

The PSP has been out long enough now that a comparison would be fair.


Nintendo DS - 16 Million Sold

Sony PSP - Top Secret CIA Information


Sony doesn't release the number for their units sold, so a comparison is not fair. Some analysts claim to make an accurate estimate, and all their numbers vary by a few million.

So no, there is no way to compare these two console until Sony releases sales numbers. And for all we know, Sony might not even track sales numbers.

Satac
05-10-2006, 05:22 PM
Any updated sales figures for these two portables?

The PSP has been out long enough now that a comparison would be fair.


Nintendo DS - 16 Million Sold

Sony PSP - Top Secret CIA Information


Sony doesn't release the number for their units sold, so a comparison is not fair. Some analysts claim to make an accurate estimate, and all their numbers vary by a few million.

So no, there is no way to compare these two console until Sony releases sales numbers. And for all we know, Sony might not even track sales numbers.

Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

Griking
05-10-2006, 07:23 PM
Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

Honstly I'd be shocked if the percentage was even close to 50/50. It seems like there's always some buzz going on about an original new DS game while I rarely hear a thing about the PSP except for threads asking if there are any good games for it yet. Are there any big games for it other than the recently released GTA?

Lothars
05-10-2006, 07:46 PM
Well I think that games like Mega Man X and the other mega man title which the name excapes me, also the Dexter game

there's a couple big releases lately.

hydr0x
05-11-2006, 04:19 AM
Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

Honstly I'd be shocked if the percentage was even close to 50/50. It seems like there's always some buzz going on about an original new DS game while I rarely hear a thing about the PSP except for threads asking if there are any good games for it yet. Are there any big games for it other than the recently released GTA?

yeah it's definately not anywhere close to 50/50, of those 17 mio shipped units i'd guess a max of around 12 mio was actually sold. that would be a ~40/60 marketshare. What am i basing this on? well, market observations, official numbers from japan and official numbers of the store chain i work at

Bronty-2
05-11-2006, 10:15 AM
Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

Honstly I'd be shocked if the percentage was even close to 50/50. It seems like there's always some buzz going on about an original new DS game while I rarely hear a thing about the PSP except for threads asking if there are any good games for it yet. Are there any big games for it other than the recently released GTA?

yeah it's definitely not anywhere close to 50/50, of those 17 mio shipped units i'd guess a max of around 12 mio was actually sold. that would be a ~40/60 marketshare. What am i basing this on? well, market observations, official numbers from japan and official numbers of the store chain i work at

Not only that but I think the only thing keeping it that close is that nintendo hasn't been able to produce more of them. If nintendo had made another 5 or 10 million units I think those would be sold out too.

petewhitley
05-11-2006, 04:27 PM
yeah it's definitely not anywhere close to 50/50, of those 17 mio shipped units i'd guess a max of around 12 mio was actually sold. that would be a ~40/60 marketshare. What am i basing this on? well, market observations, official numbers from japan and official numbers of the store chain i work at

Doesn't sound like a real scientific estimate.

Chainsaw_Charlie
02-08-2007, 11:00 AM
I have

Feel the magic
Sprung
Contact
Children of mana
Lost Magic
Bomberman
Ridge Racer
Phoenix Wright 1
Trace Memory
Phoenix Wright 2

cyberfluxor
02-08-2007, 11:41 AM
Although I only own a DS there is 1 PSP game I have:
Bust-A-Move

Reason: It doesn't appear in stores around here often and Circuit City had them for $9.99 a pop! I'm a huge Bust-A-Move fan and for new $10 isn't bad at all, lets call it a future investment for a game that'd be posbbily difficult to grab later on.

As for DS titles, I own 12 IIRC and don't really need too many because they kill time and there's only so much gaming I do "on the go" and when at home I just play PC or console games.

CosmicMonkey
02-10-2007, 11:09 AM
I've been looking into getting a new handheld for the past few weeks. I was interested in a Wonderswan, but there's very few games I want for the system. So I randomly started reading into PSP firmware flashing and PSone emulation. I've completely ignored the console so far, assuming there was nothing but 3D generic shite on it, but it turns out there's more 2D/arcade style gaming than I expected. I have absolutely no interest in the DS, but the PSP is looking absolutely cracking at the moment.

So I'm getting a nice ceramic white PSP and the following games are on the want-list: Darkstalkers, Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX, Guilty Gear, Power Stone Collection, Spectral vs Generation (maybe?) and KoF: MI as-and-when it's released. That should do for fighting games for a while! Also Parodius, Gradius, Salamander and Twinbee Portables for some shooting love, both Capcom Classic collections and the Megaman games. Outrun 2 looks good, and I'll probably end up with Metal Slug collection too.

That's more than enough portable gaming to keep me busy for a while. And that's without even starting on PSone games. Einhander FTW.

So for me personally, PSP > DS

djbeatmongrel
02-10-2007, 11:33 AM
looking back at this thread i realise i was a little bit of a hypocrite but with reason. i own a psp and ds now and i realized it just took time for the psp to really have some kickass software even though most of them are ports.

heres my list for both systems:

DS(27):
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Break 'Em All
Bust-A-Move DS
Cooking Mama
Dino Master: Dig, Discover, Dual
Electroplankton
Elite Beat Agents
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Golden Nugget Casino DS
Guilty Gear Dust Strikers
Magical Starsign
Mario Kart DS
Meteos
Metroid Prime Pinball
Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits
Nanostray
Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney: Justice For All
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Point Blank DS
Puyo POP Fever
Rub Rabbits!, The
Sega Casino
Space Invaders Revolution
Tetris DS
Trace Memory
Trauma Center: Under The Knife
Zoo Keeper

PSP(15):
Bounty Hounds
Bust-A-Move Deluxe
Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower
Exit
Gitaroo Man Lives!
Guilty Gear Judgement
Guilty Gear Judgement(JPN) *it has Slash instead of #Reload on it*
LocoRoco
Lumines
Me and My Katamari
Power Stone Collection
Sid Meier's Pirates!
Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX
Tekken: Dark Resurrection
Ultimate Block Party

petewhitley
02-10-2007, 08:54 PM
Having been a PSP advocate since day one, I'm happy to see some of the doubters coming around (I do also own a DS, and must say, I enjoy several titles, though GBA games see more action on mine). With PS1 emulation cracked, you'd really have to be pretty damn stubborn to say the DS offers more bang for your buck at the moment.

Joker T
02-10-2007, 09:27 PM
I'm with Pete.

PSP has so many homebrew options that the price isn't an issue.

Even without homebrew your getting near console quality gaming and a damn good music/video player.

JJNova
02-10-2007, 10:28 PM
So I'm getting a nice ceramic white PSP and the following games are on the want-list: Darkstalkers, Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX, Guilty Gear, Power Stone Collection, Spectral vs Generation (maybe?) and KoF: MI as-and-when it's released. That should do for fighting games for a while! Also Parodius, Gradius, Salamander and Twinbee Portables for some shooting love, both Capcom Classic collections and the Megaman games. Outrun 2 looks good, and I'll probably end up with Metal Slug collection too.

Hey! I wanted to play some of those games too! I was really excited for them too. Thank goodness people at CinciClassic had PSP's and were really friendly. I din't know any of the people other than Downfall (from this site) that I borrowed a PSP form, but thanks to those people, I realized my expectations were much higher than the gmes provided. ESPECIALLY Megaman Powered Up.

If you can, find someone that you can play those games from firt, they aren't equivalent in quality to their predecessors (when I push up. You go up motherfucker!)

Griking
02-11-2007, 01:00 AM
Its a shame that you have to "crack" the psp and play bootleg psx games or homebrews in order to find something worth playing.

And as for the psp providing more bang for the buck, you really can't give Sony credit for that since they're constantly coming out with firmware updates to prevent people from even using the psp for emulators and homebrews.

Icarus Moonsight
02-11-2007, 02:49 AM
I have deceided that I will own a PSP, eventually. However, I refuse pay $200-250 for a handheld. PERIOD. I'll wait until I can pick it up new cheap or used cheaper still. The main reason I'm making room for a PSP in my collection is emulation/homebrew and the very few games I own/want for the system. I currently have Gradius Collection, bought at TRU for $10, and Wipeout Pure, bought at Target for $10. I plan on getting Lumines, Every Extend Extra, Loco Roco, Valkyrie Profile and Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles. That's 7 games total that interest me in nearly 2 years of releases. Really sad considering the power in that little shiney black case. If we were getting some of them shmups released in JP here stateside (yeah right when anti-2D pigs fly :P ) I'd be more inclined to drop retail on one. If I have to pay through the nose and import my interests then I'll pass.

I have owned a DS for a tad bit over a year and have 40+ games for it and I'm not even caught up with my wants for the system. That's a wide margin that I frankly can't ignore. Owned indeed.

petewhitley
02-11-2007, 10:36 PM
I have owned a DS for a tad bit over a year and have 40+ games for it and I'm not even caught up with my wants for the system. That's a wide margin that I frankly can't ignore. Owned indeed.

Don't really see how your owning 40 games on the DS vs. 2 games for a system you don't even have equates to "ownage" ...


"Shake the bottle for MASSIVE DAMAGE!" - Clubhouse Games (NDS) Poking yet more fun at Sony

And for that matter I can't for the life of me figure out how that quote was a stab at Sony. Might as well be a stab at newborn babies, xmas presents, or fish tanks.

Icarus Moonsight
02-12-2007, 12:35 AM
Don't really see how your owning 40 games on the DS vs. 2 games for a system you don't even have equates to "ownage".

You've stated before in other threads that my local observations of an individual are not valid. Fine. I get the point that you don't agree with me, but I ask you read it again Pete. I'll reiterate anyways.

It's a shame that the PSP's library isn't better. It speaks less of the hardware and more of the people in charge of selling it. A PSP costs too much for what it offers IMO. If it were $150 rather than $250 I might find myself actually being interested. The DS has it's share of problems most of them are trivial to me but major for others.



And for that matter I can't for the life of me figure out how that quote was a stab at Sony. Might as well be a stab at newborn babies, xmas presents, or fish tanks.

You know where it's from. In the case that you really don't your hint is: Genji for PS3 at E3 2006. It's old and tired. It's been in my sig since the boards upgrade. When someone quotes your sig... it's time for a new sig. :)

Why is it a big deal that DS is beating PSP at market? I'd say irony. The PSP was expected by many to be the death of Nintendo's stronghold handheld market. It obviously wasn't. To it's credit I think the PSP has done better than past handhelds that went up against the many incarnations of the GameBoy (ie NGPC, Game Gear, Lynx and N-gage). Hell if Sony never challenged the DS in the handheld market I don't think Nintendo would have tried so hard to make the DS so attractive in the US market. That could have ment no Brain Age, Tetris, Elite Beat Agents or even 3rd party fair like Cooking Mama.

petewhitley
02-12-2007, 07:52 PM
In the case that you really don't your hint is: Genji for PS3 at E3 2006. It's old and tired. It's been in my sig since the boards upgrade. When someone quotes your sig... it's time for a new sig. :)

I think you need a new sig because it's no longer relevant and/or amusing.


To it's credit I think the PSP has done better than past handhelds that went up against the many incarnations of the GameBoy (ie NGPC, Game Gear, Lynx and N-gage).

You don't need to "think" the PSP has done better, you can assuredly "know" it has (simply looking at the installed user base will let you know), as the PSP has been an unparalleled success the likes of which no handheld manufacturer outside of Nintendo has seen. The argument that the PSP is lacking in quality titles is older and less-relevant than the Genji quote, btw.

jajaja
02-12-2007, 07:55 PM
I just found out that the PSP had sold more than the DS where i live and its not exactly a small number either. I thought it as the other way around, but apparently the PSP is selling more than the DS here :)

skaar
02-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Must be something in the water.

Leo_A
02-13-2007, 01:55 AM
I'd like to know how you got the information jajaja, as far as I know Sony and Nintendo don't give out sales data for individual cities or counties. :)

jajaja
02-13-2007, 03:08 AM
I'd like to know how you got the information jajaja, as far as I know Sony and Nintendo don't give out sales data for individual cities or counties. :)

Sure, check this site:

http://www.dagbladet.no/weblogg/blog.php/foxhmslf/post/17487

I doubt you can read it, but i'll translate alittle :) The numbers are from some game group/union (dont quite know how to translate) that cooperates with numerous of distrubitors here, so these sale numbers are not from Nintendo or Sony themself. I would think they are pretty accurate. There are also GC, GBA and PS2 numbers there. MS didnt want to give out their numbers so theres no Xbox og 360 in there.

The first graph shows total number of consoles sold since launch. The numbers are updated to 31th December 2006 so January and ˝ of February 2007 are not included, but doubt it really effects the numbers much.

The 2nd graph shows total sold handhelds since launch. As you can see PSP got somewhat 71k and DS got somewhat 57k. Again, January and ˝ of February 2007 salenumbers are not included. It can be that DS sold like crazy this time room, but i have alittle doubt about that. When PSP had been out for 3 months it had sold just about the same amount of DS units and at that time it had been out for 8 months, only difference was 507 units. The DS didnt exactly get a flying start here like in the rest of the world so that might be one of the main factors why. The price for a DS Lite is ~$208 and the PSP (basepack) is ~$240. Valuepack is probly like $100 more or so.

Icarus Moonsight
02-13-2007, 09:09 AM
I think you need a new sig because it's no longer relevant and/or amusing.



You don't need to "think" the PSP has done better, you can assuredly "know" it has (simply looking at the installed user base will let you know), as the PSP has been an unparalleled success the likes of which no handheld manufacturer outside of Nintendo has seen. The argument that the PSP is lacking in quality titles is older and less-relevant than the Genji quote, btw.

So, besides knocking my sig, your splitting hairs over "think" and "know" while paraphrasing my post? I thought you had issue with me, but it seems you just wanted to bait me into some BS tiff where the argument is actually agreement. Well, I'm opting out now 'cause this will go nowhere... and fast. :roll:

JJNova
02-13-2007, 10:01 AM
If it makes you feel any better, I think your signature is both entertaining and relevant.

And as a side note, this might surprise a lot of you (PeteWhitley specifically) but there are gamers that like to involve themselves with this hobby legally, which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring. Cutting out the firmware hacks leaves us with commercial releases.

jajaja
02-13-2007, 10:16 AM
If it makes you feel any better, I think your signature is both entertaining and relevant.

And as a side note, this might surprise a lot of you (PeteWhitley specifically) but there are gamers that like to involve themselves with this hobby legally, which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring. Cutting out the firmware hacks leaves us with commercial releases.

You can do more with a PSP than a DS straight out of the box. You dont need to mess around with firmware stuff. You do have flashers for DS so if you want to play pirated games you can easaly do it on both systems. The firmware stuff doesnt only allow you to run pirated games, it also opens for homebrew stuff.


which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring.

Can you explain this alittle more?

petewhitley
02-13-2007, 09:24 PM
So, besides knocking my sig, your splitting hairs over "think" and "know" while paraphrasing my post? I thought you had issue with me, but it seems you just wanted to bait me into some BS tiff where the argument is actually agreement. Well, I'm opting out now 'cause this will go nowhere... and fast. :roll:

I don't know why you're geting defensive and turning this into some personal war, but I'm only pointing out the common misconceptions and biases that this community often has in regards to the PSP and more specifically, Sony. Your posts in this thread have exemplified those. I don't know you from Adam; don't read anything into it.

petewhitley
02-13-2007, 09:34 PM
And as a side note, this might surprise a lot of you (PeteWhitley specifically) but there are gamers that like to involve themselves with this hobby legally, which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring. Cutting out the firmware hacks leaves us with commercial releases.

Well Sony themselves officially support PS1 emulation on PSP hardware (the crack just enables you to rip ANY PS1 game you choose). And as mentioned here and just about everywhere else for the past year, the PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent, critically-acclaimed games. You certainly don't need to be a pirate to enjoy the PSP.

JJNova
02-14-2007, 01:52 AM
You can do more with a PSP than a DS straight out of the box. You dont need to mess around with firmware stuff. You do have flashers for DS so if you want to play pirated games you can easaly do it on both systems. The firmware stuff doesnt only allow you to run pirated games, it also opens for homebrew stuff.
Ok. but the point in my post was legalities. Which means you can't do the firmware stuff. I'm hip to the homebrew scene, and the PSP's actual homebrew GAMES, is very lacking. Fan-games that rip sprites and game mechanics? Yeah, there's lots of those. Emulators and tools so that you can play other games? Yeah they have those. But the homebrew scene for games that are made from the ground up.... definitely lacking. LUA isn't helping that at all, as it's having the effect that BoR did for previous homebrew scenes, leaving us with imitations or "clones" that have very similar gameplay and mechanics, yet the real only difference is an exhange in palette and sprites. That's to explain my comment, which was that if you are going to be just buying a PSP and using what Sony has to offer on it (so that you stay legal), then the functionality (playing games) will get used less. Sorry for not being more clear. Hope you still love me.


Well Sony themselves officially support PS1 emulation on PSP hardware (the crack just enables you to rip ANY PS1 game you choose). And as mentioned here and just about everywhere else for the past year, the PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent, critically-acclaimed games. You certainly don't need to be a pirate to enjoy the PSP.

Yes, Sony backs that you buy and play the Playstation 1 games that they have for distribution through their network. Similar to the Virtual Console games. They do not back officially, or unofficially that you use the emulator for games that you have sitting on your harddrive.

As for the wealth of excellent, and critically acclaimed games, as this board and and just about everywhere else for the past year shows, the minority are interested in them. As a portable gaming device, the PSP fails to deliver (if, like me, you have morals regarding the law). Obviously you'll disagree, so to help prove your point, I've gone to MetaCritic and toiled through every PSP game they have on file. For this study, I will be listing any title that has a cumulative review over 80 points, which according tot he site, means Generally Favorable. Results below.

Socom 2
Ridge Racer
Lumines
Wipeout Pure
Burnout Legends
GTA: LCS
X-Men Legends II
Syphon Filter
Daxter
Tales of Eternia
Outrun 2006 : Coast 2 Coast
Ratchet and Clank Size Matters
Lumines II
Socom Fire Team Bravo II
Sega Genesis Collection
Lego Star Wars II
Winning Eleven Pro Evolution Soccer
GTA : VCS
Pro Evolution Soccer 6
THUG 2 : Remix
Hot Shots Golf : open Tees
Virtual Tennis
Socom : Fire Team Bravo
MLB06 : The Show
Megaman Powered Up
Loco Roco
Final Fantasy VII Advent Children (I know. but it's listed)
Sid Meiers Pirates!
Toca Race Driver 2
Tekken : Dark Resurrection
MGS : Portable Ops
WWE Smackdown! vs RAW 2006
Race Driver 2006


There you go, out of 333 titles, 33 title that got over an 80, zero received 90 or above, 1 out of the 33 is a compilation of old games, 1 is a movie, and 12 Race/Sports games.

petewhitley
02-14-2007, 03:21 AM
As for the wealth of excellent, and critically acclaimed games, as this board and and just about everywhere else for the past year shows, the minority are interested in them. As a portable gaming device, the PSP fails to deliver

Well, that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. The success and sales of the PSP in North America would indicate that a significant number of gamers ARE interested in said games.


(a list of 33 critically acclaimed games for the PSP) ...

I don't know how that list supports your theory. THE DS HAS 32 (YES, THIRTY-TWO, ONE LESS THAN 33, AND FOUR OF WHICH ARE MINOR VARIATIONS OF THE SAME GAME) GAMES LISTED ON METACRITIC WITH AN ACCUMULATED SCORE OF 80% OR HIGHER.

Please, everbody: you don't have to like Sony or the PSP, but please don't insult our intelligence anymore by claiming that it has been anything less than a success for BOTH Sony and discerning videogame fans. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.

jajaja
02-14-2007, 04:34 AM
Ok. but the point in my post was legalities. Which means you can't do the firmware stuff. I'm hip to the homebrew scene, and the PSP's actual homebrew GAMES, is very lacking. Fan-games that rip sprites and game mechanics? Yeah, there's lots of those. Emulators and tools so that you can play other games? Yeah they have those. But the homebrew scene for games that are made from the ground up.... definitely lacking. LUA isn't helping that at all, as it's having the effect that BoR did for previous homebrew scenes, leaving us with imitations or "clones" that have very similar gameplay and mechanics, yet the real only difference is an exhange in palette and sprites. That's to explain my comment, which was that if you are going to be just buying a PSP and using what Sony has to offer on it (so that you stay legal), then the functionality (playing games) will get used less. Sorry for not being more clear. Hope you still love me.

Hey, it was just a straight out question, no rudness too it, so yes, i still love u lol :P But seriously tho, the PSP is a more advance system than DS. Not just with the hardware, but the functions it got. Like you can play movies on it (both UMD and stuff thats on the memstick), go online (i know DS got a online addon tho, but i was thinking more of "out of the box" features), watch pictures etc. etc.

JJNova
02-14-2007, 05:15 AM
Please, everbody: you don't have to like Sony or the PSP, but please don't insult our intelligence anymore by claiming that it has been anything less than a success for BOTH Sony and discerning videogame fans. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.

I wasn't talking about the DS, so I don't know why you brought it up in response to my comment. Although since you did point it out, I hope you counted the number of DS games that have a cumulative rating of 90 or above to the PSP, since a score that high would actually be a critical sucess.

Also, to help you out and bring in some information (which you never back your claims with) I've gone ahead and researched the success of the PSP by Software Sales and financial standings. Mind you, this doesn't change the general opinion that the PSP's software lineup is quite lacking. These are the U.S. numbers. Remember, that when talking about Sony, it's numbers sold to distributors, not consumers.

Acording to NPD Funworld, in a report dated January 17th, 2007

The PSP unit clocked in 953,200 sold for December, and 6.7 millions sold life-to-date.
PSP software failed to show up in any of the NPD's top ten lists.
The PSP's top-selling game in 2006 was GTA: LCS, a game that was released in October, 2005.
LCS just sold 593,000 during 2006
Hardware sales exceeded software sales in December

To put it in perspective, Gears of War(Xbox 360) Guitar Hero II(PS2) Madden NFL 07(PS2) each sold more copies in December than LCS did all year.

PSP Top 5 for 2006
1. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories - 593,000
2. Madden NFL 07 - 468,000
3. Need for Speed: Most Wanted - 381,000
4. Star Wars Battlefront II - 351,000
5. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo - 312,000

So yes, the hardware is a success, but if I understand you correctly, you're saying the PSP's library of games is so kickass that the consumers mind goes into a locked up mode when tying to decide which high quality title to choose, so they don't buy any. Maybe you are right, maybe the "PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent" games, but I guess they didn't appeal to the consumers last year. Notice, I'm not comparing the PSP to the DS, just showing that there is a lack of compelling software in teh PSP's library.

See, I'm not insulting the intelligence of PSP owners. I'm just passing along information. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.

petewhitley
02-14-2007, 09:45 AM
I wasn't talking about the DS, so I don't know why you brought it up in response to my comment. Although since you did point it out, I hope you counted the number of DS games that have a cumulative rating of 90 or above to the PSP, since a score that high would actually be a critical sucess.

I only brought it up because your entire post was purportedly showing how underachieving the entire PSP library is. When of course in comparison to the DS library, critical acclaim is nearly identical ... Oh, so 90% is the critical cut-off then? Sorry, I just figured since YOU brought up 80% initially it must have meant something. I guess it did before you realized it didn't support your position ...


(JJNova then trots out some apples and some oranges, which somehow show that PSP game sales are lackluster in comparison to tea in China) Notice, I'm not comparing the PSP to the DS ...

Ha ha, yeah, I noticed.

This thread is about the DS and the PSP, and in particular the ingorant claims of Nintendo fanboys who believe that a 33% worldwide (and near 50% U.S.) handheld market share somehow means the PSP is a failure. Why are you comparing PSP game sales to PS2/Xbox 360 game sales? My intelligence is officially insulted. Did you even read what you posted? How did it have anything to do with this thread, or even your poorly thought-out ideas two posts ago?

Ok, ok, ok. You're cool, you're retro, you like ol'skool Nintendo, you don't like those corporate assholes at Sony. I get it. Just stop with these inane, unsubstantiated claims. Quit dropping random sales data you pulled from Joystiq or Kotaku (which does absolutely nothing to support your claims, btw). The PSP is a huge success, so is the DS. They both have great games, and in terms of critical acclaim (by the very standards you introduced, but are now choosing to modify/ignore), are virtually neck-and-neck as of early 2007. I just can't understand why some of you kids are so invested in seeing Sony fail. The sad thing is your bias is keeping you from enjoying the full spectrum of modern gaming.

JJNova
02-14-2007, 11:42 AM
Oh, so 90% is the critical cut-off then? Sorry, I just figured since YOU brought up 80% initially it must have meant something. I guess it did before you realized it didn't support your position ...
I never siad 80% was a Critical Success. Read again please.



Why are you comparing PSP game sales to PS2/Xbox 360 game sales? My intelligence is officially insulted.
I see why your intelligence was insulted. The three examples I presented were to highlight the lackluster reception to PSP software. I was comparing the PSP's BEST SELLING TITLE OF 2006 and showing that it didn't sell nearly as many units as the examples did in a single month. If you would of actually read the all of the post, you would of seen that I did not argue that the PSP wasn't selling. I stated that software isn't selling. Go ahead, you can read over it again, it's still posted.


Ok, ok, ok. You're cool, you're retro, you like ol'skool Nintendo, you don't like those corporate assholes at Sony. I get it. Just stop with these inane, unsubstantiated claims. Quit dropping random sales data you pulled from Joystiq or Kotaku (which does absolutely nothing to support your claims, btw). Ok, once again, if you red the post, my information was drawn from NPDFunworld. You can purchase an account to NPD also through their online portal, or purchase the digital distribution in PDF format. As for my claims being unsubstantiated, I would like to point out, I'm the only one presenting information.

PS - I didn't need you to authenticate my coolness. Appreciated though.

Celestial Avenger
02-14-2007, 11:47 AM
My PSP was guttertrash until I could install custom firmware on it. Now I'm playing any PS1 game I want, along with Disgaea Portable.

I'll probably sell the rest of the PSP games I have. The Sony marketing campaign for this portable has been absolutely atrocious and insulting. The most recent commerical where the guy is trying to find a lady he wants to screw was the final straw. They showed approximately 0.4 seconds of gameplay in that commercial. I will most likely never purchase a Sony product ever again after the constant slaps in the face I've received from them over the past year.

Icarus Moonsight
02-14-2007, 08:28 PM
JJ, even if you nearly agree with him he'll still argue something. Best to just let it lay. This thread needs to cool down anyway. There is obviously other topics to be discussed. Sometime down the road it'll get dug up and it'll be a humorous read. In the meantime, not so much.

petewhitley
02-14-2007, 09:29 PM
(doesn't make a lick of sense, and continues claim the fact that PSP games don't sell as much as Madden on the PS2 means something)

Ok, I give up. You keep confusing your opinions with established facts, and your constant backtracking is giving me a headache. I don't know why I expected a guy with "Wii" in his sig to be anything less than a Nintendo fanboy to begin with ...

You have for several posts failed to make even a semi-convincing case for the PSP being anything less than a substantial financial and critical success. This is to be expected, as according to even your latest source, NPDFunworld, the PSP is enjoying a nearly 50% user base in the U.S. amongst handheld gamers.

(If your ego requires that you post again to try to refute this, please for everyone's sake try to make a valid connection between the PSP and the DS. That's what this thread is about. Have a look at the title! For the last time, no one except you is trying to compare the PSP to console systems.)

ozyr
02-14-2007, 10:52 PM
Ok, I give up. You keep confusing your opinions with established facts, and your constant backtracking is giving me a headache. I don't know why I expected a guy with "Wii" in his sig to be anything less than a Nintendo fanboy to begin with ...

You have for several posts failed to make even a semi-convincing case for the PSP being anything less than a substantial financial and critical success. This is to be expected, as according to even your latest source, NPDFunworld, the PSP is enjoying a nearly 50% user base in the U.S. amongst handheld gamers.

(If your ego requires that you post again to try to refute this, please for everyone's sake try to make a valid connection between the PSP and the DS. That's what this thread is about. Have a look at the title! For the last time, no one except you is trying to compare the PSP to console systems.)

Man, I hate people that have to resort to the Fan Boy insult. Drop it - it's worn out.

Having just read part of this debate, I see more than enough info that proves the PSP is not a huge success (at least not enough as some believe it to be). Hard to beat facts. No, it's not a failure, but it sure isn't that great.

Ah, why bother though.... everyone has their own opinion on the DS vs PSP. You can't sway either side, and I sure won't try to. I just find it funny and entertaining watching folks have their war of words. Keep it up...

Rogmeister
02-14-2007, 11:22 PM
When I first posted about my DS, back in November 2005, I had 3 games. Now I have 8:

Animal Crossing: Wild World
Metroid Prime Pinball
Nintendogs: Dachshund & Friends
New Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64 DS
Super Princess Peach
Yoshi's Island DS
Zoo Keeper

This obviously doesn't count a trio of GBA games I have that I play on my DS. I do not have a PSP, nor do I plan to get one.

Griking
02-14-2007, 11:39 PM
You have for several posts failed to make even a semi-convincing case for the PSP being anything less than a substantial financial and critical success.

So what's your convincing case that the PSP is a financial and critical success? I'm sure all of the Sony stock holders would like to hear this.

Oh that's right, it's not just a gaming machine, you can watch movies and listen to music on it too. I suppose that I don't see UMD movies in my local game stores any more because they're flying off the shelves so quickly.

Also, please tell me, what game is out right now that makes made people run out and buy a PSP?

It seems like every time I turn around there's another quirky game for the DS that's causing a buzz. Whether it was Nintendogs, Brain Age, Phoenix Right, Trace Memory, Lost in Blue or one of the Castlevania or Pokemon games people always seem to be talking about DS games. What games are causing a buzz on the PSP right now other than 10 year old PS1 games and other titles that require that you hack your BIOS to play them.

petewhitley
02-16-2007, 07:27 AM
So what's your convincing case that the PSP is a financial and critical success? I'm sure all of the Sony stock holders would like to hear this ... Also, please tell me, what game is out right now that makes made people run out and buy a PSP? ... It seems like every time I turn around there's another quirky game for the DS that's causing a buzz.

Jesus Christ. How can someone honestly still say they don't see it? The sales data is out there, the critical opinion is out there, and yet 75% of responses to this thread are of the "there aren't any games for the PSP I want" sort. This is a retro-gaming forum, it doesn't represent the gaming status quo, and frankly, no one cares if there are 50 quirky games on the DS you like but none on the PSP you like. It doesn't matter in terms of the widespread financial and critical success of the PSP. Period.

First, let's look at life-to-date system sales, as of Dec, 31st, 2006:

PSP Hardware Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 6,230,000
America - 9,580,000
Other - 8,890,000
Total - 24,700,000

Nintendo DS Hardware Life-to-Date
Japan - 14,430,000
America - 10,180,000
Other - 11,000,000
Total - 35,610,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 48% market share. Worldwide, the PSP has a 41% market share. Even in Japan, where the Nintendo has supposedly spit on the grave of Sony, the PSP still has a 30% market share.

How, even in your wettest fanboy dreams (and yes, as long as fanboys exist, it will remain a valid complaint) is that a failure, or anything less than a substantial success? You know what, don't answer. I can't stomach any more of these crazed, delusional responses from you Hot Topic t-shirt wearing hipsters who for the most part weren't even of reading age when the NES was released (for the record, I'm pretty sure Griking was, so my apologies to him).

Now let's look at life-to-date software sales, as of Dec. 31st, 2006:

PSP Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 16,800,000
America - 39,400,000
Other - 34,300,000
Total - 90,500,000

Nintendo DS Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 65,200,000
America - 49,550,000
Other - 39,490,000
Total - 154,230,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 44% market share in terms of software. Worldwide, the PSP has a 37% market share in terms of software. Even in Japan, the PSP still has a 20% market share in terms of software (this being perhaps the ONLY statistic that would really shine brightly in favor of the DS). And these numbers must all be considered in light of the fact that the PSP has been marketed and sold as much more than a mere game-playing machine. And yes, many users do in fact use it as such.

Let's now turn our heads to critical acclaim. According to Metacritic, here's a list of how many PSP and DS games have an accumulative score of 90% or more, 80% or more, and 75% or more (choosen as a cut-off as this is where Metacritic themselves differentiate between a "green" game and a "yellow" game in terms of accepted critical acclaim):

PSP Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 0
80%+ - 42
75%+ - 79

DS Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 2
80%+ - 32
75%+ - 48

Now, critical acclaim is a fairly un-scientific factor to begin with, but come now. How on earth can you look at those stats and say that the DS has the more critically acclaimed library? The PSP has 40% more titles that ranked above 75% amongst critics. And 24% more titles that ranked above 80% amongst critics.

Look in the mirror. You've got egg on your face. The facts don't support your opinions. I'm not telling you to favor the PSP. What I'm telling you is to pull your collective heads out of your assess, quit spreading rumours, lies, and trying to pass off your Nintendo bias as fact, which it SO CLEARLY IS NOT. It may not be the "cool" thing to do, but if you have any interest in truth, you have to admit the PSP has been both a critical and financial success, and it looks like it's going to stay that way for a long time.

Bronty-2
02-16-2007, 07:57 AM
Look in the mirror. You've got egg on your face. The facts don't support your opinions. I'm not telling you to favor the PSP. What I'm telling you is to pull your collective heads out of your assess, quit spreading rumours, lies, and trying to pass off your Nintendo bias as fact, which it SO CLEARLY IS NOT. It may not be the "cool" thing to do, but if you have any interest in truth, you have to admit the PSP has been both a critical and financial success, and it looks like it's going to stay that way for a long time.

I agree with most of your post but if you're going to say that the facts don't support other people's opinions then at least draw valid conclusions from your facts. With respect to "financial success", all you've shown, if your statistics are correct, is that the psp has had some form of limited market share success (even if way below original expectations). Market share is a lot different than financial success... psp could have a 100% market share and still be a huge financial failure if it cost them enough to build it. I don't think they are getting rich off psp... I'm sure they invested a lot into it.

petewhitley
02-16-2007, 08:09 AM
With respect to "financial success", all you've shown, if your statistics are correct, is that the psp has had some form of limited market share success (even if way below original expectations). Market share is a lot different than financial success... psp could have a 100% market share and still be a huge financial failure if it cost them enough to build it. I don't think they are getting rich off psp... I'm sure they invested a lot into it.

I don't know that original expectations from Sony were anything less than valid competition for the handheld market, which they've clearly achieved. ("Way below original expectations" is pretty unsubstantiated ...)

But you bring up a good point in regards to terminology. Perhaps instead of "financial success", the success of the PSP in the marketplace could perhaps be better described as "sales success" or something similar. It's still unknown how much profit the PSP has made Sony, despite the clear success it's had in the marketplace.

petewhitley
02-16-2007, 08:10 AM
... some double-post glitch ...

Bronty-2
02-16-2007, 08:53 AM
I don't know that original expectations from Sony were anything less than valid competition for the handheld market, which they've clearly achieved. ("Way below original expectations" is pretty unsubstantiated ...)

But you bring up a good point in regards to terminology. Perhaps instead of "financial success", the success of the PSP in the marketplace could perhaps be better described as "sales success" or something similar. It's still unknown how much profit the PSP has made Sony, despite the clear success it's had in the marketplace.

I would say that expectations from sony, the media in general, even most consumers was that the psp would dominate, so that's what I mean when I say way below expectations. But you're right, its basically unsubstantiated.

petewhitley
02-16-2007, 09:05 AM
I would say that expectations from sony, the media in general, even most consumers was that the psp would dominate, so that's what I mean when I say way below expectations. But you're right, its basically unsubstantiated.

Mmm, could be. I would hope most "in-the-know" folks would see that the Nintendo handheld juggernaut would take more than one generation to beat, lol!

Griking
02-16-2007, 09:35 AM
Top 50 Selling Videogames in Japan For the Week of 2/5 - 2/11

01. (PS3, Sega) Virtua Fighter 5 - 48,346 / NEW
02. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 45,897 / 1,004,555
03. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Play - 36,090 / 879,432
04. (NDS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 32,800 / 3,963,712
05. (NDS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 29,026 / 4,118,078
06. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 27,519 / 304,113
07. (NDS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise - 26,815 / 185,695
08. (NDS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On - 26,804 / 106,212
09. (NDS, Marvelous Interactive) Luminous Arc - 25,676 / NEW
10. (PS2, Sega) J-League Pro Soccer 5 - 24,468 / 131,541

11. (NDS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
12. (NDS, Nintendo) Picross DS
13. (NDS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
14. (NDS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (NDS, Nintendo) Brain Age
16. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
17. (NDS, Nintendo) English Training
18. (NDS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
19. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
20. (NDS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
21. (NDS, Sega) Love+Berry
22. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
23. (NDS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker
24. (NDS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
25. (NDS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
26. (NDS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
27. (WII, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. (NDS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
29. (NDS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
30. (NDS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
31. (WII, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
32. (NDS, MTO) Tea Dog's Room DS 2
33. (PSP, EA) Medal of Honor: Heroes
34. (NDS, Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
35. (NDS, Spike) IQ Supply
36. (PS2, Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata
37. (WII, Nintendo) Excite Truck
38. (NDS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
39. (NDS, Atlus) Etrian Odyssey
40. (PS2, Sega) Yakuza
41. (NDS, Nintendo) Cooking Navi
42. (NDS, Shogakukan) DS Kageyama Method Electronic Math Drills
43. (WII, Pokemon) Pokémon Battle Revolution
44. (PSP, Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
45. (PS2, Sega) Shining Force EXA
46. (NDS, Capcom) Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus
47. (PS2, Sega) OutRun2 SP
48. (PS2, Bandai-Namco) Saint Seiya: The Hades
49. (NDS, Square-Enix) Final Fantasy III
50. (NDS, Nintendo) Jet Impulse

PS2 - 7
PSP - 3
PS3 - 1
NDS - 33
WII - 6


This is a retro-gaming forum, it doesn't represent the gaming status quo, and frankly, no one cares if there are 50 quirky games on the DS you like but none on the PSP you like. It doesn't matter in terms of the widespread financial and critical success of the PSP. Period.

Well these are hard numbers that don't just represent my or the members of a retro gaming forum's tastes or buying habits


Gee, what about hardware sales

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 201,298 | 146,192 | 1,104,149 | 15,109,828
3. PSP - 32,175 | 31,216 | 303,113 | 4,835,242

The Hardware sales numbers seem to be a little different from yours.

Source (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142554)


Yeah, the PSP is neck in neck with the DS

I'd be THRILLED if I were a Sony employee or stockholder.

jajaja
02-16-2007, 09:38 AM
Do you know how reliable this list is and if its being updated each week? I like to read stats like this :)

EDIT: Seems like they update it each week. Thanks for the link =)

petewhitley
02-16-2007, 09:49 AM
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 201,298 | 146,192 | 1,104,149 | 15,109,828
3. PSP - 32,175 | 31,216 | 303,113 | 4,835,242

The Hardware sales numbers seem to be a little different from yours.


Did you even read my post? Or yours? You posted the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers, which aren't any different than the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers I ALREADY POSTED. Oh yeah, and one week's Japanese software sales data doesn't really mean a whole lot when we're talking life-to-date sales worldwide, and specifically in the US.

If you're going to argue, I'd advise you to read what you're posting so you don't look like an ass. You're digging a deeper hole for youself.

Edit: I mean seriously. This is ridiculous. It's so obvious you glanced at the sales data I posted, didn't even really read it, and grabbed whatever recent stuff you could grab off of Google in hopes to refute me. When in reality you posted the same data I had already posted without even trying to analyze it. It's pathetic how you cling to this absurd idea that the PSP isn't successful. Do you have some sort of personal investment in Nintendo? Seriously, it's really pathetic and somewhat bizarre.

Griking
02-16-2007, 10:09 AM
Did you even read my post? Or yours? You posted the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers, which aren't any different than the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers I ALREADY POSTED. And one week's Japanse sales data doesn't really mean a whole lot when we're talking life-to-date sales.

If you're going to argue, I'd advise you to read what you're posting so you don't look like an ass. You're digging a deeper hole for youself.

Edit: I mean seriously. This is ridiculous. It's so obvious you glanced at the sales data I posted, didn't even really read it, and grabbed whatever recent stuff you could grab off of Google in hopes to refute me. When in reality you posted the same data I had already posted without even trying to analyze it. It's pathetic how you cling to this absurd idea that the PSP isn't successful. Do you have some sort of personal investment in Nintendo? Seriously, it's really pathetic.


Actually it's really not really the same data but it's close. Your data claims a total of 6.2 million PSPs sold in Japan while mine show 4.8. That's about a 30% difference. Your numbers claim a total of 14.4 million DSs sold in Japan while mine show 15.1 million.

Besides, even if the numbers are close enough, what was the figure that I somehow overlooked that showed the critical and financial success as of the PSP?


And one week's Japanse sales data doesn't really mean a whole lot when we're talking life-to-date sales.

So I guess that this week's numbers were an anomaly. Do us all a favor then and link for us the typical numbers. You know, the one that shows more than 5 PSP games and less than 30 DS games in the top 50. Oh, and the amount of times the PSP BIOS hack has been download unfortunately does NOT count as a top selling title :)

But I suppose you'll now try to tell me that software sales don't indicate a console's success.

By the way, why do you always find the need to insult people who disagree with you?

Bronty-2
02-16-2007, 10:48 AM
The other thing to keep in mind is that the #s sony publishes are *shipped* numbers while nintendo's are *sold*. Big difference.

JJNova
02-16-2007, 07:28 PM
The other thing to keep in mind is that the #s sony publishes are *shipped* numbers while nintendo's are *sold*. Big difference.
Technically, they are sold numbers for Sony also. Except that they are the amount Sony sold to distributors, while Nintendo's are the amount sold to consumers.

Griking
02-16-2007, 08:57 PM
Technically, they are sold numbers for Sony also. Except that they are the amount Sony sold to distributors, while Nintendo's are the amount sold to consumers.

And I'm sure we all know that there's a big difference between the two.

petewhitley
02-16-2007, 10:01 PM
I could go back and forth with you ad infinitum on this, but you'll never accept fact apparently, so I won't. I will however, repost the definitive answer I gave to the questions of success of the PSP in the marketplace and with critics, as I still cannot believe anyone who actually READS IT would choose to remain as blind to truth as you have. With that I'll leave the discussion, as there's little more I can do than present the cold, hard truth to persaude someone so blinded by corporate devotion. Here's to hoping common sense will ultimately prevail, and you'll leave your Nintendo-shell and allow yourself to enjoy the full-spectrum of modern gaming.



Jesus Christ. How can someone honestly still say they don't see it? The sales data is out there, the critical opinion is out there, and yet 75% of responses to this thread are of the "there aren't any games for the PSP I want" sort. This is a retro-gaming forum, it doesn't represent the gaming status quo, and frankly, no one cares if there are 50 quirky games on the DS you like but none on the PSP you like. It doesn't matter in terms of the widespread financial and critical success of the PSP. Period.

First, let's look at life-to-date system sales, as of Dec, 31st, 2006:

PSP Hardware Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 6,230,000
America - 9,580,000
Other - 8,890,000
Total - 24,700,000

Nintendo DS Hardware Life-to-Date
Japan - 14,430,000
America - 10,180,000
Other - 11,000,000
Total - 35,610,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 48% market share. Worldwide, the PSP has a 41% market share. Even in Japan, where the Nintendo has supposedly spit on the grave of Sony, the PSP still has a 30% market share.

How, even in your wettest fanboy dreams (and yes, as long as fanboys exist, it will remain a valid complaint) is that a failure, or anything less than a substantial success? You know what, don't answer. I can't stomach any more of these crazed, delusional responses from you Hot Topic t-shirt wearing hipsters who for the most part weren't even of reading age when the NES was released (for the record, I'm pretty sure Griking was, so my apologies to him).

Now let's look at life-to-date software sales, as of Dec. 31st, 2006:

PSP Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 16,800,000
America - 39,400,000
Other - 34,300,000
Total - 90,500,000

Nintendo DS Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 65,200,000
America - 49,550,000
Other - 39,490,000
Total - 154,230,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 44% market share in terms of software. Worldwide, the PSP has a 37% market share in terms of software. Even in Japan, the PSP still has a 20% market share in terms of software (this being perhaps the ONLY statistic that would really shine brightly in favor of the DS). And these numbers must all be considered in light of the fact that the PSP has been marketed and sold as much more than a mere game-playing machine. And yes, many users do in fact use it as such.

Let's now turn our heads to critical acclaim. According to Metacritic, here's a list of how many PSP and DS games have an accumulative score of 90% or more, 80% or more, and 75% or more (choosen as a cut-off as this is where Metacritic themselves differentiate between a "green" game and a "yellow" game in terms of accepted critical acclaim):

PSP Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 0
80%+ - 42
75%+ - 79

DS Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 2
80%+ - 32
75%+ - 48

Now, critical acclaim is a fairly un-scientific factor to begin with, but come now. How on earth can you look at those stats and say that the DS has the more critically acclaimed library? The PSP has 40% more titles that ranked above 75% amongst critics. And 24% more titles that ranked above 80% amongst critics.

Look in the mirror. You've got egg on your face. The facts don't support your opinions. I'm not telling you to favor the PSP. What I'm telling you is to pull your collective heads out of your assess, quit spreading rumours, lies, and trying to pass off your Nintendo bias as fact, which it SO CLEARLY IS NOT. It may not be the "cool" thing to do, but if you have any interest in truth, you have to admit the PSP has been both a critical and financial success, and it looks like it's going to stay that way for a long time.

NinjaJoey23
02-16-2007, 10:25 PM
Hi, I'm new to this discussion. I'll start by saying that I own neither a DS nor a PSP, though I have played both extensively via friends and family members.

My own opinions regarding the matter aside, something quickly came to my attention: petewhitley repeatedly attacks the characters of those he disagrees with (i.e. ad hominem circumstantial) and it is rather distracting and overall detracts from the debate.

Since we're all concerned with numbers and not opinions, it seems that several sets of numbers have been put forth for handheld sales, and all of them have been sourced, except for petewhitley's. Now, if a legitimate source can be provided, then it seems that there is a discrepancy among sources. Though instead of responding to the difference in numbers, namely between the numbers that Griking provided and yours (petewhitley), you reposted the same statistics you'd posted before. Please do not insult our intelligence. We're all experienced forum users and understand how to scroll up.

Also, what can be said for the claim that PSP numbers account for numbers sold to distributors vs DS numbers which account for numbers sold to consumers? It seems for your argument to be compelling that must be addressed.

I own neither of these systems and could care less who's selling more, which is better, etc. I simply enjoy the debate, and am bothered when someone puts forth "undeniable" evidence that is shown to be questionable at best, and then repeats the same said evidence and insults his opponents, instead of offering a truly compelling argument.

The insults do nothing for the debate except make your argument look even weaker.

gepeto
02-16-2007, 10:35 PM
I own both but recently I have been noticing a sad trend in the stores I visit. The psp section is becoming much smaller and insignificant. The used games are sparce and new releases are still slow. I have yet to see guitaroo man used. I don't believe it is selling at all. I know of no friends that own it. Ton of valkrye profile lennent used. Little support from the store in terms of hype.

Even Gamestop's website stop letting people check the availibility of used psp games. (to be fair they even stopped the ds search but the ds has its legion)


The way I figured the psp days are numbered. Anyone know what the next must have psp title is?

Three-P
02-17-2007, 12:59 AM
I got the PSP and the following games for it. (I will edit upon getting more.)

Need For Speed-Most Wanted.
Metal Gear Acid 2.
Namco Museum Battle Collection.
Capcom Classics Collection Remix.
Midway Arcade Treasures Extended Play.
Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max.

And now, that I own the DS, as well, I have the following games for that. (This will be bulked up, too.)

Castlevania-Portrait of Ruin.

(I'm waiting for my Federal tax refund, so I will bulk it up a little.)

Griking
02-17-2007, 11:47 AM
Here's last week's Japanese sales numbers. Unfortunately I haven't found a source for Weekly US numbers. Supposingly they're released monthly and not made public.

Console YTD Last Week Change
- DS Lite: 201,177 55,104 (37.72%)
- Wii: 78,550 12,810 (19.49%)
- PSP: 32,175 959 (3.07%)
- PS3: 23,431 4,704 (25.12%)
- PS2: 16,033 1,507 (-8.59%)
- Xbox 360: 4,811 1,319 (-21.52%)
- GBA SP: 980 256 (35.36%)
- Game Boy Micro: 884 166 (-15.81%)
- Gamecube: 383 77 (25.16%)
- DS Phat: 121 2 (1.68%)
- GBA: 36 8 (28.57%)

Source (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/16/japanese-hardware-sales-feb-5-feb-11-job-interview-edition/)

Joystiq's Source (http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html) (In Japanese)

You were right Petey, those numbers that I provider earlier WERE an anomolity. The DS outsold the PSP about 55 to 1 last week in Japan. :eek 2:

If Sony released the PSP with the idea of making a nice little handheld that we can all enjoy if we like it but it's no big deal if we don't then I agree with your opinion of Sony's success. But I don't buy this theory. Sony is interested in world dominance and in this light I can't see how the PSP can be considered a critical or financial success. Some weeks it may be by more than others but the DS seems to outsell the PSP each and every week. Is Sony pleased?

Icarus Moonsight
02-17-2007, 12:08 PM
Anyone know what the next must have psp title is?

As far as I know it's Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles due out this fall. Though it may not be considered "big". MGS Portable Ops was the last big release that I know of (Dec 06 I think).

petewhitley
02-21-2007, 11:20 PM
Here's last week's Japanese sales numbers. Unfortunately I haven't found a source for Weekly US numbers. Supposingly they're released monthly and not made public.

I know I said I was leaving, but I can't sit here and read unopposed propaganda ...

Here you go, January '07 U.S. Hardware Sales (NPD data):

Nintendo DS (239,000 units)
Sony PSP (211,000 units)

Yeah, Nintendo is burying Sony. Again, weekly (and anomalous) Japanese hardware charts are incredibly short-sighted when we're talking about two systems that have been available for well over two years, and as has been demostrated, are both long-term valid competitors to each other.

(And to NinjaJoey23: save the forum etiquette advice for when you become a mod, chief. The only thing more annoying than a guy like me handing out asshole insults on the 'net is a guy like you handing out asshole etiquette tips on the 'net.)

JJNova
02-22-2007, 12:49 AM
Yeah, Nintendo is burying Sony.

About time you admit what everyone else already knew.

petewhitley
02-22-2007, 03:21 AM
About time you admit what everyone else already knew.

Ha ha. Unfortunately, I have a feeling you're not kidding ...

petewhitley
02-22-2007, 03:46 AM
Since I'm at it, here's an interesting graph courtesy of VGCharts.com. This is a comparison of North American sales of both the PSP and the DS over the first 22 months of each respective release (the PSP was released 22 months ago in North America). I'd say something smart-ass here, but honestly, do I need to? It speaks for itself.

http://pgrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/pspmorethan.jpg

Intelstan
02-25-2007, 11:16 PM
When I consider purchasing a handheld game console, my main goal is to have fun and enjoy all its features. Money is only a small factor to me because my goal is not to save money. If I wanted to buy a cheap handheld, I'd buy a GBC.

In the round between the DS and the PSP, I would say the PSP wins in looks, gameplay controls, and functionality.
Firstly, I believe in quality over quantity. The dual screens on the DS are definitely an improvement from the GBA, but still not a match for the big wide screen of the PSP. Thus, I would say PSP wins in this area.
Secondly, the DS has the touch screen capability for games while the PSP has the analog stick. I personally like the analog stick more since I don't have to worry about damaging the screen with the pen or my fingers. In my perspective, the PSP wins in this area also.
Lastly, the PSP has the bonus of being a music player, movie player, and web browser. People can say they don't need the features or the features are useless to them, but at least the features are there. I can choose not to listen to mp3s and not watch movies and not surf the web on my PSP. But if own a DS, I don't have a choice. I can't watch movies or play music even if I wanted to.

Overall, the PSP is better in my perspective. The target market is a bit different for the 2 handhelds and cannot be compared 100% fairly.

PapaStu
02-26-2007, 01:39 AM
@ petewhitley

The only hard sell with the sales numbers is how they are recorded. Sony counts shipped units, not units sold. Nintendo counts units actually sold.

@ Intelstan
Well its nice that your not going to let cost affect your decision on what system to buy, but I'd think that the games themselves would help decide that for you. If not that, the controls and functionality of the system. There truly is little that has come out on the PSP that isn't a very ugly looking and horrible port of a PS2 game, or just an old game slapped quickly onto the PSP because they could. Some of the unique titles really are nice, don't get me wrong I love me my Loco Roco and Me & My Katamari (even though its butchered) but there realy is little other that holds my attention or even gives me a huge desire to bt played.

Have you handled the PSP and used that Analog stick thats on it? It is incredibly hard to use and the games that I have that use it (Dynasty Warriors, Samurai Warriors along with a few others) arn't helped by it one bit. I long to be able to use the D-Pad and even that has issues registering because of how its been placed in the system.

I guess having it be able to play music and movies and surf the web is nice but what exactly is the purpose of buying a handheld gaming system then? To enjoy all its features? The DS plays games, does WiFi chatting and will surf the net here in America when Nintendo finally gets around to releasing the Opera DS browser thats already out in Japan. The PSP plays games, movies on its propietary format (which is no longer being supported by the Movie distributors), does play MP3's (a function that i've never used mine for once) and surfs the web to an ok degree, but its really not worth using if you've got any typing of any kind that you plan on doing due to the 'keyboard' function of it.

Now having babbled all that, I own both a DS and a PSP. I bought my DS at launch, and got a PSP a year after launch. My personal DS collection is almost 7 times my PSP one (96-15) and your biggest DS worries (scratches on screens/fingerprints) have never been a problem to mine (there are no scratches). I'm actually more worried about scratching my PSP screen than my DS one due to its constant exposure.

NinjaJoey23
02-26-2007, 03:54 AM
The only thing more annoying than a guy like me handing out asshole insults on the 'net is a guy like you handing out asshole etiquette tips on the 'net.

Well, at least you admitted to the nature of your insults. Good luck fighting the good fight, chief.

petewhitley
03-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Oh no, the sky is falling. The top PSP game sold FOURTEEN times more than the nearest DS game ... Here's the Japanese top ten software sellers for last week (only posted to show numerous earlier posters how ridiculous it is to base arguments off of weekly Japanese sales, as obviously this represents a drop-in-the-bucket long term):

1. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 705,281 units sold last week (new entry / Capcom, PSP)
2. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - 80,002 (new entry / Alchemist, PS2)
3. Fire Emblem: Dawn Goddess - 75,359 (new entry / Nintendo, Wii)
4. Sim City DS - 50,826 (new entry / EA, DS)
5. Professor Layton and the Mysterious Town - 49,979 (186,716 sales to date / Level-5, DS)
6. Wii Sports - 47,503 (1,090,736 / Nintendo, Wii)
7. Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen EX - 45,792 (new entry / Tomy, Wii)
8. Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 40,507 (1,174,576 / SquareEnix, DS)
9. Wii Play - 35,811 (944,586 / Nintendo, Wii)
10. Picross DS - 26,693 (183,357 / Nintendo, DS)

segagamer4life
03-05-2007, 12:54 PM
I don't understand people's gripes with the PSP and the controls, I have a PSP and a DS and the controls are fine with both. I keep hearing the same things, about the d-pad and the analog stick, but both systems have their faults and their dead pixels.

now to the graphics, you take any game that came out on the PSP and the DS and put em side by side and the PSP wins hands down. take burnout on the PSP and DS the DS Version looks like crap while the PSP version is a great rendition of the console version. the PSP is getting a bad rap for a simple reason, fanboys. Take a look at the top two selling systems on the market right now, the DS and the Wii, now while I have both and enjoy both, I can see them for what they are, the Wii, although fun, is a glorified Gamecube with some nifty new add-ons... and the DS while likewise fun, it is nothing more than a portable 64 with touch screen capabilities. The PSP while a step up from the psx and a bit behind the PS2, has games out there that are incredible ports, like burnout, need for speed, smackdown vs. raw, twisted metal, syphon filter, Socom, etc. This is a dig at the DS and Wii, basically because they constantly undershoot, they put out a system that is inferior to its competition, yet they rely on the fanboys of the world to help them sell units. The gba, was a glorified snes, the gb, a black and white nes, the pocket a color nes. Nintendo makes good games, but their latest entries in the console war, are behind the times in my book. They are fun for what they are but the real ground breaker is the PSP to me, it takes a console game and brings it damn close to perfection in a handheld. But this is just my opinion.

Griking
03-05-2007, 07:48 PM
If the industry is decided by fanboys and supposingly everyone is a Nintendo fanboy then why didn't the N64 win the war over the PSx?

Personally I appreciate Nintendo's current take on gaming. They've said that there really have no interest in fighting an arms race because all it does is give us the same old same old just with prettier graphics and higher prices. Personally I really have no interest in playing the same game over and over again with noting more than a fresh coat of paint. Sure, games on the Wii and DS may not be as pretty as the PS3 and PSP but they also don't cost nearly as much to make so developers are more willing to take chances on new game styles rather than only make sequels or cookie cutter games. Superior technology doesn't necesarily equal fun.

Bronty-2
03-06-2007, 12:38 AM
well said, that's how I feel about it also..

swlovinist
03-06-2007, 08:39 AM
In short, I like them both. I however think that the PSP like the PS3 has not marketed the system well at all. Also, the types of games the console has been advertised to play is poor. The PSP in short is a portable PS2 that can all sorts of multimedia things. The problem is the two things that have plagued other consoles going up the mighty Nintendo. 1. Price 2. Battery life There is a 70 dollar difference between the two with alot less battery life. These are two problems that Sony needs to address if they want a bigger piece of the pie. I feel the games are there if you look for them, the problem is the damage might already have been done. The Sony of today reminds me of the Nintendo of the 90s....too prideful to admit when the direction of something is going south.

attilathehun
03-15-2007, 01:59 AM
Spoken like a true nintendo fanboys. The reason why Sony has sold millions is because they got the money and sure know how to use it well when marketing their product.

Sony's machines has and will compile the largest and diverse libraries known to mankind.

Back in the 90's Nintendo tried to conquer and divide but lost to Sony.

GillianSeed
03-15-2007, 08:14 AM
Spoken like a true nintendo fanboys.

It's my experience that people resort to name calling when they have nothing of value to say. It's not "fanboys" that are driving DS sales, it's the casual gamers that have been deserted by Sony and Microsoft.

segagamer4life
03-15-2007, 02:13 PM
It's my experience that people resort to name calling when they have nothing of value to say. It's not "fanboys" that are driving DS sales, it's the casual gamers that have been deserted by Sony and Microsoft.

then what is driving the Wii sales? and before you say innovation, the PS3/360 have that, the gimmick of the wii is its controller, I know that, throw that out the window and play the games, the wii is a gamecube with a gimicky controller. The DS is a glorified n64 with a touch screen, the psp, while like I said maybe a ps1-ps2, middle of the road machine, it is hands down a better and superior console. the controls aren't as bad as people make them out to be, I don't get that statement, I have played everything from dynasty warriors to gta, to ghost rider and all in between, and never once has the dpad or analog stick failed me, or caused me angst. I don't see the issue there. Now, before this gets to be a flame war, I want to be clear that my opinion is based on sheer tech specs, and thats it. There is a fun factor and a human factor involved as well, thats where any "fan-boyism" can be seen, but that's not what we're here to discuss. The PSP is a more powerful system, the DS was under achieved by Nintendo in my opinion, same with the Wii, While I enjoy both, I am dismayed at where N, stops as far as pushing the envelope, while the PSP attempts to give you PS2 calibur games, the DS take you back to the 64 with diddy kong. and games that while innovative yes with the touch screen, the DS is a step back, in time, while the PSP is going forward. Anyway, I don't condon calling people "Fanboys", hell we're all fanboys. Anyway I have ranted enough.

jajaja
03-15-2007, 02:20 PM
It's not "fanboys" that are driving DS sales, it's the casual gamers that have been deserted by Sony and Microsoft.

How can a company desert the consumers? Its the other way around, its the consumers that desert the companies.



then what is driving the Wii sales?

The new way of playing and Zelda:TP.

segagamer4life
03-15-2007, 02:23 PM
How can a company desert the consumers? Its the other way around, its the consumers that desert the companies.




The new way of playing and Zelda:TP.

true... but take the controller away and the Wii, is a gamecube....

jajaja
03-15-2007, 02:27 PM
true... but take the controller away and the Wii, is a gamecube....

Well.. Wii is build on GC, thats why they can obtain 100% backward compability. Just disable some hardware at its 100% like a GC :) But its more powerful, got more features etc.

segagamer4life
03-15-2007, 02:49 PM
Well.. Wii is build on GC, thats why they can obtain 100% backward compability. Just disable some hardware at its 100% like a GC :) But its more powerful, got more features etc.



you're right, I forget the wii "abilities", my bad... good point :-)

GillianSeed
03-15-2007, 02:50 PM
How can a company desert the consumers?

By targeting a very narrow audience, the Gears of War/GTA crowd. The average Joe who doesn't play games 5 hours each night, who isn't interested in FPS games, has been left out in the cold for some time now.

My dad has been wanting to buy a console for a long time, I even let him borrow my Xbox, but it was just too complicated for him. Most folks don't have the time or inclination to memorize complex control schemes -- progress has been measured by the amount of buttons and sticks you can cram onto a controller.

DS and Wii controls, on the other hand, are very intuitive and easy to pick up and play. And there are games that target a broader audience: Clubhouse Games, Wii Sports, etc.

GillianSeed
03-15-2007, 03:00 PM
The DS is a glorified n64 with a touch screen, the psp, while like I said maybe a ps1-ps2, middle of the road machine, it is hands down a better and superior console.

By that logic, the Jaguar was superior to the Genesis -- it was more powerful, and that's all the counts right?



I have played everything from dynasty warriors to gta, to ghost rider and all in between

If playing a bunch of PS2 ports is what floats your boat, then that's great. But judging by the sales figures, it would appear that the public at large finds the DS to have the more compelling software library.

segagamer4life
03-15-2007, 03:07 PM
By that logic, the Jaguar was superior to the Genesis -- it was more powerful, and that's all the counts right?




If playing a bunch of PS2 ports is what floats your boat, then that's great. But judging by the sales figures, it would appear that the public at large finds the DS to have the more compelling software library.



1. Yes, by the same logic the gamegear was superior to the GB.. as was the Lynx. Those systems failed due to pricing issues, such as the Jaguar and the Jaguar was helped along by the megar games that were released for it.


2. Ports are fine, and both systems have them, "compelling software" isn't exclusive to the DS. The DS has the potential to be a great machine, that plays dual screened GBA (looking) games or n64 left overs. The fanboys have spoken both with the DS and the Wii, they were dormant, while the n64 died and some even jumped ship to the Sony raft, but they are back, and they are letting their "dollars" be heard.

jajaja
03-15-2007, 03:08 PM
By targeting a very narrow audience, the Gears of War/GTA crowd. The average Joe who doesn't play games 5 hours each night, who isn't interested in FPS games, has been left out in the cold for some time now.

My dad has been wanting to buy a console for a long time, I even let him borrow my Xbox, but it was just too complicated for him. Most folks don't have the time or inclination to memorize complex control schemes -- progress has been measured by the amount of buttons and sticks you can cram onto a controller.

DS and Wii controls, on the other hand, are very intuitive and easy to pick up and play.

With the 8000 PS2 games, im sure there are something for everyone ;) There are so many "unknown" games out there so many think that i.e Xbox is for hardcore gamers only. PS2 is also a very family-based console.

I know many say that the new consoles are too complicated for "old" people. Sure, the controllers have gotten more buttons, but saying that a 50 year old person arent able to play new consoles isnt right. They get scared, pick the controller up for 2 minutes and say "hey, too many buttons, im confused" then never touch it again. A person with 50 years of life experience should be able to control more than 3-4 buttons hehe.

I know the DS and Wii is easier to play with, but with some practice im sure a 80 year old guy can use a PS2/Xbox/GC controller. It also depends alot on how interested the person is willing to learn/want to play of course.

Griking
03-15-2007, 08:39 PM
then what is driving the Wii sales? and before you say innovation, the PS3/360 have that, the gimmick of the wii is its controller, I know that, throw that out the window and play the games, the wii is a gamecube with a gimicky controller.

Personally I look at a console that has nothing new to offer other than prettier graphics as being a gimmick as well. I can't tell you if the Wii and it's controller will be a success or not but I give Nintendo credit for having the balls to try something different.

Griking
03-15-2007, 08:43 PM
1. Yes, by the same logic the gamegear was superior to the GB.. as was the Lynx. Those systems failed due to pricing issues

Would those be the same pricing issues that the PSP and PS3 currently have now?




The fanboys have spoken both with the DS and the Wii, they were dormant, while the n64 died and some even jumped ship to the Sony raft, but they are back, and they are letting their "dollars" be heard.

If they were true fanbous as you claim they wouldn't have abandoned the N64 for the Playstation. Perhaps it wasn't just a fanbot issue, perhaps they were just gamer who went with what they felt was the better system at the time. And perhaps they've done the same thing this generation as well

attilathehun
03-15-2007, 09:32 PM
It's my experience that people resort to name calling when they have nothing of value to say. It's not "fanboys" that are driving DS sales, it's the casual gamers that have been deserted by Sony and Microsoft.Look it's not some personal attack. There's no crime in being a fanboy. I call it the way I see it. I used to be a very bad fanboy from 95-97.

The psp was launched like 2 years ago and they have sold at least 20 million units and it's in disc format. It isn't like buying the sega saturn in 1995 with 2 games and controllers for $400 just see the shelf life dry up in a couple of years. The psp is staying.

The reality of the situation is if it is wasn't for the big $ that Sony has to throw around you would all be still playing hand held nintendos that you can't even see the games you're playing. Oh that's just awsome because the battery life lasts longer.

I've played gb, gbc, gba, gba sp, ds, gg, nomad and psp.

I have ds but it's properly lit or I wouldn't of got one. The only advantage of the ds is that like the gba sp it's clam shell design make's the most conveniant to carry around. That's the only positive innovation that nintendo ever brought to the table in the hand held market.

segagamer4life
03-15-2007, 11:16 PM
Would those be the same pricing issues that the PSP and PS3 currently have now?


So, 129, for a DS and 199 for the PSP... the ps3 is 500 or 600 bucks compared to the 400 Bucks for the 360...

look at the games, compare the prices of games, there are a handful of "innexpensive" titles on the DS and PSP, now, most first party homegrown DS and PSP games are 34.99 and 39.99 respectively. Now is the pricing right by Nintendo? no, when you consider what you're paying for. You pay 34.99 for a "innovative" n64 or worse, dual screened GBA game, whereas, for 5 bucks more, you can get a PS2 calibur game on a handheld. To me the DS is over rated and over priced and under delivered. PSP delivers a "last gen" caliber gameplay, while the DS is "innovating" us with N64 and GBA stuff. (Don't get it wrong, there are a HANDFUL, of games that are nice and new on the DS, but those games are few and far between).

jcalder8
03-16-2007, 02:08 AM
After owning a DS lite from the day it came on the market I just bought a PSP last weekend. I bought it because of a lack of games that I wanted to play on the DS and for emulation. I love the thought of taking old school games on the road. Now that I have been using the PSP for a week I find that I like how it feels in my hands more than the ds and I'm starting to look into getting more games for it. I'll admit to having big hands which have often caused my hands to cramp while using controllers so this happening while using the DSL was not a foreign thought, I am one of the weird people who like the original Xbox controllers best for this reason, but the extra size of the PSP feels good in my hands.

I'm no graphics whore but damn some of these games look sweet on the PSP but at the same time the first time I saw a bicycle kick in Fifa 06 on the DS my jaw drop that this could happen on a hand held.

I have yet to have a problem with the battery life on the PSP but I've also only had it for a week and the test will be coming tomorrow when I have an 8 hour plane ride. I already know that its good on the DS but I don't have much to compare it too.

I think that the DS has some amazingly innovative games but they have a limited shelve life. I really enjoyed Nintendogs for the first week but then it became having to look after the dog whenever I was going into work and I didn't feel like doing that much. The same thing happened with Animal Crossing, I mean I don't like pulling weeds at my own house why do I want to do it in a game.

The PSP on the other hand doesn't have the same kind of ground breaking games but it has ones where I can see myself coming back to over and over such as Wipeout, Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid and Ratchet & Clank: SM.

Really it all comes down to personal choice about which one is better. At least thats the way I see it I could be wrong.

jajaja
03-16-2007, 04:30 AM
Personally I look at a console that has nothing new to offer other than prettier graphics as being a gimmick as well. I can't tell you if the Wii and it's controller will be a success or not but I give Nintendo credit for having the balls to try something different.

Which console(s) only offer more gfx as something new?

GillianSeed
03-16-2007, 08:10 AM
To me the DS is over rated and over priced and under delivered.

Well apparently you're in the minority, the DS is still going strong. In February, according to NPD, the DS sold 485k units while the PSP sold 176k units. And they could have sold more if they'd been able to get more on the shelves. So strong in fact that, according to 1up.com, retailers are threatening to dump the PSP if Sony doesn't do something about the high price.

I may eventually buy one for Dracula X Chronicles, but as a handheld system overall it's a bust. The market has clearly rejected the expensive, multimedia iPod "killer" approach to handhelds. And simple ports of PS2 titles don't really address the fact that people play their handhelds differently than they play on their consoles. (five minutes here, 15 minutes there)

segagamer4life
03-16-2007, 08:59 AM
Well apparently you're in the minority, the DS is still going strong. In February, according to NPD, the DS sold 485k units while the PSP sold 176k units. And they could have sold more if they'd been able to get more on the shelves. So strong in fact that, according to 1up.com, retailers are threatening to dump the PSP if Sony doesn't do something about the high price.

I may eventually buy one for Dracula X Chronicles, but as a handheld system overall it's a bust. The market has clearly rejected the expensive, multimedia iPod "killer" approach to handhelds. And simple ports of PS2 titles don't really address the fact that people play their handhelds differently than they play on their consoles. (five minutes here, 15 minutes there)

You have to get Dracula X Chronicles.. .man does that look fruckin sweet.

I know my opinion is the minority, and I don't look to sales figures, like I have said I own both systems and appreciate both, my initial point of getting involved with this thread was to discuss or get the point accross of the PSP
superiority, on a hardware and software level, that's all, I know the DS is selling circles around it, I begrudgingly attribute that to the Fanboys... but obviously I have no fact to base that on, anyway. I like both systems but the PSP to me is even sweeter.

GillianSeed
03-16-2007, 09:52 AM
I know my opinion is the minority, and I don't look to sales figures, like I have said I own both systems and appreciate bothThe PSP was an interesting idea, but the high price just killed it -- especially when combined with an early focus on ports. Handhelds are even more of a luxury item than consoles, and I think people figured why spend that much to replay games they've already beaten on the PS2. Whereas you needed to buy a DS if you wanted to play Brain Age, Nintendogs, Phoenix Wright, Clubhouse Games, New Super Mario Brothers, etc. That's what makes the DS library stronger IMO. I think Sony is finally starting to get the idea, but it's probably too late.

GillianSeed
03-16-2007, 09:56 AM
Which console(s) only offer more gfx as something new?The 360 and PS3, obviously -- it's just more FPS, sports titles and GTA clones with prettier graphics.

jajaja
03-16-2007, 10:13 AM
The 360 and PS3, obviously -- it's just more FPS, sports titles and GTA clones with prettier graphics.

Was it possible to download games, old arcade games, use PS Home, tilt sensor (official release), watch HD movies etc etc. on PS2 and Xbox? If so, how?

GillianSeed
03-16-2007, 11:08 AM
Was it possible to download games, old arcade games

Yeah, Xbox Live was launched in 2004.



use PS Home


I guess this could be considered "new" for consoles -- but it's basically Sony's answer to Second Life. (which has been around since 2003 in one form or another) It's not really going to change the way the games themselves are played, it's more of a social networking tool. It's basically a 3D version of Xbox Live.



tilt sensor (official release)


Pretty clearly inspired by the postive reaction to the Wii.


watch HD movies

This isn't really innovation. The PS2 and Xbox let you play DVDs, the PS3 and 360 let you play HD DVDs. It's more of the same, and again has little if anything to do with gaming.

jajaja
03-16-2007, 11:47 AM
Yeah, Xbox Live was launched in 2004.

Xbox Live on 360 is different from the Xbox version, got more and new features.


I guess this could be considered "new" for consoles -- but it's basically Sony's answer to Second Life. (which has been around since 2003 in one form or another) It's not really going to change the way the games themselves are played, it's more of a social networking tool. It's basically a 3D version of Xbox Live.

If you want to say it like that, the Wii controller is nothing new either. Motion sensing have excisted for ages. Todays consoles are much more than just games you buy in the stores. Here we are talking about new stuff to the consoles, not about gaming evolving.



Pretty clearly inspired by the postive reaction to the Wii.

Nintendo was not the first to invent motion sensing in games. But what different does it make if it was inspired by Nintendo, Buddah, KFC general, John Paul II or Hitler himself? Its still a new feature, doesnt matter who came up with it first. Again, we are talking about what features the consoles brings.


This isn't really innovation. The PS2 and Xbox let you play DVDs, the PS3 and 360 let you play HD DVDs. It's more of the same, and again has little if anything to do with gaming.

Yet again, we are talking about what features the consoles brings, not about gaming evolving or whats inovating. The previous consoles were not able to play HD-DVD og BR movies, ergo, a new feature.

esquire
03-16-2007, 11:54 AM
By targeting a very narrow audience, the Gears of War/GTA crowd. The average Joe who doesn't play games 5 hours each night, who isn't interested in FPS games, has been left out in the cold for some time now.

Yeah, you're right. Games like Amplitude, Frequency, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, Katamari Damacy, Gitaroo Man, Rez, Guitar Hero I & II, the DDR series, Beatmania, God of War, Lumines, Disgaea, Final Fantasy X, X-2, XI and XII, Rogue Galaxy, the Karaoke Revolution series, Shadow Hearts, Kingdom Hearts, Jak 3, Sly 2: Band of Thieves, Ratchet & Clank: up Your Arsenal, Tony Hawk's Underground, Tekken 5, Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution, Klonoa 2, Maximo and the Eye Toy games are all targeted towards the Gears of War/GTA crowd, and either stink or offer nothing new, especially to the casual gamer.

If you can't find something to play in that list alone, I don't what to tell you as that is a very broad spectrum of games, many of which are A-List titles.


The 360 and PS3, obviously -- it's just more FPS, sports titles and GTA clones with prettier graphics.

Yeah, XBOX Live doesn't offer anything new over the Gamecube or Wii's online gaming service, oh wait...

Also, if the Wii is such an "enlightened" console, why are there ports of Call of Duty 3, Far Cry, Splinter Cell Double Agent, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Madden, Tiger Woods, and a host of kiddie game franchises and Gamecube rehashes (GT Pro Series, Monster 4x4 World Circuit and Rampage)? Add in another FPS, Red Steel, and it seems to me there's not much there in that list other than the added gimmick of the Wiimote.

Statements like yours clearly show your ignorance and lend people to make accusations of fanboyism, because you can't even back up your own accusations, but rather make overall, generalizing, bald faced statements.

attilathehun
03-16-2007, 01:36 PM
Well apparently you're in the minority, the DS is still going strong. In February, according to NPD, the DS sold 485k units while the PSP sold 176k units. And they could have sold more if they'd been able to get more on the shelves. So strong in fact that, according to 1up.com, retailers are threatening to dump the PSP if Sony doesn't do something about the high price.

I may eventually buy one for Dracula X Chronicles, but as a handheld system overall it's a bust. The market has clearly rejected the expensive, multimedia iPod "killer" approach to handhelds. And simple ports of PS2 titles don't really address the fact that people play their handhelds differently than they play on their consoles. (five minutes here, 15 minutes there)Sony is notorious for price dumping. The psp has and will continue to drop. Just the psx and ps2.

So simple n64 ports are kool on the ds, but ps2 ports really suck?

Metriod Prime Hunters or what ever it's called looks and sounds very similiar to gc but it's a pain to play from a controller stand point. Goldeneye also a pain the butt. Mario Kart DS is one of the better N64 ports out there.

Unless you have hdtv the graphics of the psp is way better than the ps2.

Griking
03-16-2007, 01:52 PM
Was it possible to download games, old arcade games, use PS Home, tilt sensor (official release), watch HD movies etc etc. on PS2 and Xbox? If so, how?

I don't subscribe to Live but didn't the original Xbox allow you to download older games? Old arcade games? Aren't there enough greatest hits collections out for you already? PS3 home? Meh! I don't need a virtual home to walk around in and show me reminders of what I've done. Tilt sensor? There was a controller for the original Playstation that offered that. HD movies? I have no interest in watching movies on my game console. What's next, bundling a converter box and a TiVo into my game console for only $300 more in the name of convenience?

It really sounds to me that all the current gen marketing has gotten to many here. I hate to say it but I think a lot of people here have drunken the Kool Aid.

esquire
03-16-2007, 04:07 PM
HD movies? I have no interest in watching movies on my game console. What's next, bundling a converter box and a TiVo into my game console for only $300 more in the name of convenience?

It really sounds to me that all the current gen marketing has gotten to many here. I hate to say it but I think a lot of people here have drunken the Kool Aid.

While I would agree with you as far as the 360 is concerned (the HD-DVD add-on is purely a gimmick since you can't play games on it), the PS3 is different in that it incorporates the high definition and storage capability of the bu-ray media into its games. Therefore, I don't believe the blu-ray technology is some type of extra thrown in there as its necessary to the technology and the gameplay that Sony has incorporated into their console. The ability to watch blu-ray movies is simply an added bonus.

The same argument may have been made when the PS2 switched from CD-ROM to DVD. Sure I didn't need to watch movies on my PS2, but it was there and the system incorporated the technology into gameplay and was used in development (no more 4 disc games), as opposed to the 360 which didn't use the added technology at all.

jajaja
03-16-2007, 04:30 PM
I don't subscribe to Live but didn't the original Xbox allow you to download older games? Old arcade games? Aren't there enough greatest hits collections out for you already? PS3 home? Meh! I don't need a virtual home to walk around in and show me reminders of what I've done. Tilt sensor? There was a controller for the original Playstation that offered that. HD movies? I have no interest in watching movies on my game console. What's next, bundling a converter box and a TiVo into my game console for only $300 more in the name of convenience?

It really sounds to me that all the current gen marketing has gotten to many here. I hate to say it but I think a lot of people here have drunken the Kool Aid.

Its possible (or atleast was) to download some arcade style games for Xbox too, i found out after i asked, but Xbox Live for 360 is better with more and new features. What greatest hits collections allows online play? I would like to know that.

Its ok that you dont like or find the new features useful, but what does that have to do with my question? I asked about what consoles that only brought better gfx as a new feature. I.e tilt sensoring is a new feature even if you like it or not. So now that 360 and PS3 are out of the picture i ask again; what console(s) only offers better gfx?

Griking
03-16-2007, 08:21 PM
While I would agree with you as far as the 360 is concerned (the HD-DVD add-on is purely a gimmick since you can't play games on it), the PS3 is different in that it incorporates the high definition and storage capability of the bu-ray media into its games.

There's a big difference here. The 360 HD-DVD is OPTIONAL.


Its ok that you dont like or find the new features useful, but what does that have to do with my question? I asked about what consoles that only brought better gfx as a new feature. I.e tilt sensoring is a new feature even if you like it or not. So now that 360 and PS3 are out of the picture i ask again; what console(s) only offers better gfx?

Again, tilt sensor controllers were available for the PSX. It's not new to gaming. It may be the newest "fad" to gaming but it's certainly not new.

Ok, fine. So the PS3 offers more than a new coat of paint. I guess I should have said that it really offers nothing more than a new coat of paint that I really care about.

jajaja
03-16-2007, 08:37 PM
Again, tilt sensor controllers were available for the PSX. It's not new to gaming. It may be the newest "fad" to gaming but it's certainly not new.

You're thinking of the 3rd party controller that uses gyros to notice tilting? Same concept, but not the same thing. Both the PS3 and Wii controller can detect 6 axis of motion, the 3rd party thingie for PSX can only detect if the controller is moved to the right or left. MS Sidewinder controller from 2000 or so had the same feature. I even think this had motion if you moved it forward (stalling) and backwards. So the motion sensing is nothing new that Nintendo have came up with. Whats new with Wii is that its a standard controller, not just an accessory. Afaik it can aslo detect angle and where it is in the room, but motion sensing in general, thats not new.


Ok, fine. So the PS3 offers more than a new coat of paint. I guess I should have said that it really offers nothing more than a new coat of paint that I really care about.

There is a difference hehe ;)

cyberfluxor
03-16-2007, 08:56 PM
Isn't Sony rolling something out this year to have the PSP interact with the PS3?

ozyr
03-16-2007, 09:34 PM
The reality of the situation is if it is wasn't for the big $ that Sony has to throw around you would all be still playing hand held nintendos that you can't even see the games you're playing. Oh that's just awsome because the battery life lasts longer.

:? What the heck is wrong with the GBA SP or DS screen? I see no issue with screen size at all. Yeah, the PSP has a bigger screen and such. So what. It all comes down to what people like. God, I'm so tired of the PSP vs DS debate. I like the DS and GBA myself, but that doesn't mean I hate the PSP. Each to there own.

Also, you state that Nintendo has Sony to thank for their sales of the DS - according to your quote. :hmm: Sounds rather odd to me!?

esquire
03-17-2007, 02:35 AM
There's a big difference here. The 360 HD-DVD is OPTIONAL.

Well obviously, and IT DOESN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE CONSOLE. The whole point of my post is that PS3 Blu-ray drive/player does add to the console, and the ability to watch HD movies is simply an added bonus beyond that.

I find it amusing that people complain that they are being forced to pay for the Blu-ray player, but many of these people have no problem shelling out the money for a Wii, whose games all could have developed on the Gamecube (Zelda). So essentially they're paying $250-$300 to play Gamecube games with the Wiimote.

jajaja
03-17-2007, 04:55 AM
I find it amusing that people complain that they are being forced to pay for the Blu-ray player, but many of these people have no problem shelling out the money for a Wii, whose games all could have developed on the Gamecube (Zelda). So essentially they're paying $250-$300 to play Gamecube games with the Wiimote.

I think the reason why people using the word "forced" when it comes to the BR player in the PS3 is that they think its for HD movies only. If this was the case i would agree upto a certaint point since it wouldnt do anything to the games, but thats not how it is.

I would like to know which console(s) that allows you to choose the media to use :)

Crescent
03-17-2007, 03:27 PM
I have both consoles and I like both of them, but I usually play PSP more because of the PS1 emu. I have 10 PSP games and 7 NDS games (now playing Castlevania PoR).

Griking
03-18-2007, 02:44 AM
Well obviously, and IT DOESN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE CONSOLE. The whole point of my post is that PS3 Blu-ray drive/player does add to the console, and the ability to watch HD movies is simply an added bonus beyond that.

Yeah, I know that the Blu Ray player is used for games as well. But if Sony were interested in making a game player more than they were in winning the DVD format war they wouldn't have forced their users into investing in something as expensive as a Blue Ray player. There were other options that they could have used. A simple non proprietary double layered DVD player would have been more than sufficient. But no, Sony insisted on using the PS3 as a tool to help cover their costly media war.

jajaja
03-18-2007, 06:36 AM
A simple non proprietary double layered DVD player would have been more than sufficient.

A dual layer DVD only fits 8.4GB, thats what PS2, Xbox, 360 and Wii uses. A pretty old technoligy, certainly not next-gen stuff. 8.4GB might be enough for todays games, but they are reaching the 8.4GB limit fast. Less space means that the developers must sacrifice stuff.

There were plans to release 2 PS2 versions, one with CD-ROM and one with DVD-ROM. Some ment that CD was enough. In the begining there were many small PS2 games, some were even CD based so it was enough space then, but look at God of War 2, its like 8.1GB large and this is a PS2 game.

attilathehun
03-19-2007, 03:43 AM
:? What the heck is wrong with the GBA SP or DS screen? I see no issue with screen size at all. Yeah, the PSP has a bigger screen and such. So what. It all comes down to what people like. God, I'm so tired of the PSP vs DS debate. I like the DS and GBA myself, but that doesn't mean I hate the PSP. Each to there own.

Also, you state that Nintendo has Sony to thank for their sales of the DS - according to your quote. :hmm: Sounds rather odd to me!?My point mr. frankentstein head is was without the looming psp in the market nintendo hand helds would still be in the dark.

Ran
03-19-2007, 10:11 AM
Trust me, but the size IS needed. Textures can be made much better, and we can have more videos (making of and so on without having to swap discs).
DVD9 is way to old, especially in 2-3 years.

cyberfluxor
03-19-2007, 11:18 AM
This topic is still being posted to as a Company vs. Company war. Why can't everyone go back to being gamers and requesting the good games. :)

Griking
03-28-2007, 09:32 AM
"During it's third quarter fiscal report, Sony admitted that worldwide shipping numbers for the PSP handheld were down by 72% from last year. Only 1.76 million were sent out to stores."

Ouch!

Under "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly".

ozyr
03-29-2007, 08:42 PM
My point mr. frankentstein head is was without the looming psp in the market nintendo hand helds would still be in the dark.

You are so full of it...... GET BENT!

chrisbid
03-29-2007, 08:48 PM
not having to use multiple disks in a game is a nice feature... so long as it doesnt cost anything extra. its not something worth spending 200 dollars for.

ShenmueFan
03-29-2007, 08:48 PM
I don't have a PSP but think it would be a good investment when they redesign the sucker later this year and *hopefully* drop the price.

The DS graphics are lacking, sure...but it's small, has great battery life and has the best overall library for portable gaming right now (for a system still being supported, that is)