Seller charging me $125 for shipping!!!

[number6]

Please post his sellings here. I want to buy some stuff from him in Europe. Say 3 things and pay 3 times the extra costs. I f I get one package I leave Ebay / Paypal a notice of non-delivering, and he can't give receipts for the other 2 packages!
Scam scammers hard!

That's in essence what I have been saying. The guy needs to ship each item seperately if he does not "combine" shipping. I can understand he makes money off of shipping, but that does not allow him to combine items in one package and still charge the individual shipping price for each item.

[Joohan]

That's in essence what I have been saying. The guy needs to ship each item seperately if he does not "combine" shipping. I can understand he makes money off of shipping, but that does not allow him to combine items in one package and still charge the individual shipping price for each item.

Okay! Bring him on! Whats his seller id? According to dutch / European law you may only charge direct related costs.

[fishsandwich]

Is there some reason why you won't post the seller's auctions?

:?

[evil_genius]

He was buying ladies underwear. LOL

[kevin_psx]

sethpackard - has good feedback - insane shipping

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=sethpackard&iid=8229419064&frm=284

[kevin_psx]

If I pay 20 separate paypals
He ships all 20 in 1 package
I claim 1 received - 19 packages lost

What's to stop him from telling Paypal - "I shipped all the games in one package"? - which would catch me in a lie?

[johno590]

Nothing is stoping him. I wouldn't do that. Some people say fight fire with fire or if he's going to be a jerk, you be a jerk too. But you don't have to be. Be nice, so then he's the one that looks like the asshole the whole time.

If he send it in one package just say that you received only one package when he was supposed to ship them all seperately. Don't claim that you didn't receive all the games, but just say that you didn't get them how they were supposed to be. How hard is that?

I think he should then be made to refund you a resonable amount (compared to what it charged him to send out the package) if he does that.

[Griking]

Don't claim that you didn't receive all the games, but just say that you didn't get them how they were supposed to be. How hard is that?


PayPal isn't going to care if he shipped them in 20 separate boxes or all in one box. All they care about is the payment process and that you actually got the product that you paid for. They don't care HOW you got them. eBay is the only one that would actually do something if they believed that a rule was broken.

[chaoticjelly]

819 auctions listed and near 10,000 feedback... that makes him invincible and jesus in eBay's eyes

x_x

[number6]

Don't claim that you didn't receive all the games, but just say that you didn't get them how they were supposed to be. How hard is that?


PayPal isn't going to care if he shipped them in 20 separate boxes or all in one box. All they care about is the payment process and that you actually got the product that you paid for. They don't care HOW you got them. eBay is the only one that would actually do something if they believed that a rule was broken.
I thought paypal requires delivery confirmation on each item. If they do then the seller needs to provide 20 DC's that prove he shipped all 20 items if the seller files a complaint with paypal. I am guessing the seller would only have one DC and that's all the buyer needs to make his case in this instance IMO.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I thought paypal requires delivery confirmation on each item. If they do then the seller needs to provide 20 DC's that prove he shipped all 20 items if the seller files a complaint with paypal. I am guessing the seller would only have one DC and that's all the buyer needs to make his case in this instance IMO.

He can just input the same Delivery Confirmation number on each auction if he so decided.

I don't like it. Shady as hell. But it's valid.

[Joohan]

Nothing is stoping him. I wouldn't do that. Some people say fight fire with fire or if he's going to be a jerk, you be a jerk too. But you don't have to be. Be nice, so then he's the one that looks like the asshole the whole time.

If he send it in one package just say that you received only one package when he was supposed to ship them all seperately. Don't claim that you didn't receive all the games, but just say that you didn't get them how they were supposed to be. How hard is that?

I think he should then be made to refund you a resonable amount (compared to what it charged him to send out the package) if he does that.

You haven't got a leg to stand on! Don't be a jerk means being a dumb asshole in this case.
Receive 20 packages if you pay for 20, if he sends 1, 19 are lost in traffic without receipts. Complain by Enay and Paypal, and they will (partially) refund the 19.

He's an ass, he won't ecer give back some of the paid 125$, he is a business, not charity, so act like doing business! 19 refunds and 19 complaints!

Explain to Ebay your mailings and so on...

[number6]

I thought paypal requires delivery confirmation on each item. If they do then the seller needs to provide 20 DC's that prove he shipped all 20 items if the seller files a complaint with paypal. I am guessing the seller would only have one DC and that's all the buyer needs to make his case in this instance IMO.

He can just input the same Delivery Confirmation number on each auction if he so decided.

I don't like it. Shady as hell. But it's valid.

Yes he could if he combined shipping, but he did not apparently and I think as a buyer you could easily make the case that you did not receive all the items you paid for because you paid for each item individually and the related shipping costs for each item. I guess the buyer could just demand a refund for the shipping on the items he did not receive and that would be fair on both ends. I am sure if the buyer made his case he could easily get a refund on the shipping. If not the buyer would have a legitmate reason to do a chargeback on his credit card for the shipping costs in my opinion. Obviously if the buyer does not receive 20 pieces of mail which he paid for then he should not be required to pay for it. If the Ebay seller wants to hide behind a technicality then the buyer can play that game as well.

[kevin_psx]

819 auctions listed and near 10,000 feedback... that makes him invincible and jesus in eBay's eyes x_x Think he's right. Ebay won't do anything 'cept count their profits off this guy.


I paid 2 separate transactions. Will probably get 1 box. Might try the "I only got 1 box" trick but doubt it will work.


Will definitely give a pile of negatives. I see a lot of neutrals from other buyers, "Game did not work" "Shipping was insanely high" "It's not mint - Not happy" "Mailed game back. Did not get refund!". Why did they give neutrals????? Should have been negs! Don't understand people who don't give negs would they're deserved.

[Vroomfunkel]

There is nothing in eBay or Paypal regulations against what this guy is doing. eBay allows people to specify if they will give combined shipping costs for multiple items or not. Nowhere do they state that if you don't combine the costs then you must send the items separately.

Paypal merely handle payments and confirm delivery of the items. In that respect, there's nothing 'shady' about giving the same tracking reference for 20 items if they're all in the same package. That's just common sense.

That's not to say he is ultimately justified in charging $125 shipping, but that's his prerogative. If you don't want to pay that much, take the neg and learn the lesson to ask beforehand next time.

If you are willing to pay the $125, as it seems you are, you obviously feel that you are still getting some sort of value for money from the deal, so why complain so much?

Vroomfunkel

[Joohan]

There is nothing in eBay or Paypal regulations against what this guy is doing. eBay allows people to specify if they will give combined shipping costs for multiple items or not. Nowhere do they state that if you don't combine the costs then you must send the items separately.

Paypal merely handle payments and confirm delivery of the items. In that respect, there's nothing 'shady' about giving the same tracking reference for 20 items if they're all in the same package. That's just common sense.

That's not to say he is ultimately justified in charging $125 shipping, but that's his prerogative. If you don't want to pay that much, take the neg and learn the lesson to ask beforehand next time.

If you are willing to pay the $125, as it seems you are, you obviously feel that you are still getting some sort of value for money from the deal, so why complain so much?

Vroomfunkel

You forget about one thing. He is a company, he is subject to law. In our Europe / The Netherlands packaging and posting must be in line with the real costs. Otherwise the company is wrong. The company drives a business, business is taking risks. If one person buys 10 of his shippin-overpriced items he can only calculate reasonable costs! That's it.

Everybody who states it isn't against Ebay regulations tend to forget there is something like the law, and they have regulations on fraude!

[yok-dfa]

You forget about one thing. He is a company, he is subject to law. In our Europe / The Netherlands packaging and posting must be in line with the real costs.

?? Which law states that? AFAIK companies can charge whatever they want. If you don't like it, shop somewhere else...

[Vroomfunkel]

I don't think you would get very far with it. He would probably just argue that the $5 per item p&p cost includes picking the item from his inventory /stockhouse etc. and other such costs unquantifiable costs.

But if you feel like testing it, go ahead and sue him or something. I'm sure that it would be a worthwhile investment of your time and effort to take up an international court case over a few bucks.

Vroomfunkel

[Joohan]

I don't think you would get very far with it. He would probably just argue that the $5 per item p&p cost includes picking the item from his inventory /stockhouse etc. and other such costs unquantifiable costs.

But if you feel like testing it, go ahead and sue him or something. I'm sure that it would be a worthwhile investment of your time and effort to take up an international court case over a few bucks.

Vroomfunkel

You are missing the point. You don't have to sue.
Same as in Ebay (Paypal offers BUYERS protection), there is BUYERS protection by law. He is a company, so he has rulez to obey. Ebay and Paypal both take sides with the local authorities. They know the law, and they know a small buyer (consumer) has rights against a bigger seller (company). :P
To get what is rightfully yours is a second step...

[yok-dfa]

there is BUYERS protection by law. He is a company, so he has rulez to obey

Let me ask again, which law? I have never heard of such a thing. :hmm:

[Vroomfunkel]

I would question exactly how much experience you have had of making claims through ebay / Paypal.

Without a substantial amount of effort, neither of them will do anything beyond the very limited confines of what is contained in their own terms and conditions.

If you try to take eBay up on their insurance of up to £120 on fradulent sales, it will take minimum 60 days, a lot of paperwork, and they will eventually (if you're lucky) issue you with a payment in dollars.

They will wriggle like a dervish to find a way around regulations they don't like also. It is illegal in the EU to forbid sellers from making a charge to cover credit card transaction fees that they incur.

Paypal deliberately changed their entire user agreement a couple of years ago to circumvent this, creating new definitions for the process by which a credit card payment is made on Paypal, and thereby enabling them to forbid people to add surcharges for Paypal payments.

I have no doubt that there may well be laws such as the one you mention - but if you think that Paypal / eBay are going to leap into action over this just because you mention that, you are sadly mistaken.

Vroomfunkel

[coreycorey2000]

This guy screwed me over. I bought 125 games and 80% of them were demos. The rest were disc only copies. and he overcharged for shipping. I value my ebay account so I don't think I even left negative feedback due to the repercussions.

[Vroomfunkel]

This guy screwed me over. I bought 125 games and 80% of them were demos. The rest were disc only copies. and he overcharged for shipping. I value my ebay account so I don't think I even left negative feedback due to the repercussions.

If that's the truth, then more fool you. Scammers live from the fear people have for negative feedback. Even if he gave you 125 negs, it would only count as -1 on your overall score. Plus there are other things you can do - like file moneyback claims from ebay and Paypal's insurance schemes.

Vroomfunkel

[Griking]

Yes he could if he combined shipping, but he did not apparently and I think as a buyer you could easily make the case that you did not receive all the items you paid for because you paid for each item individually and the related shipping costs for each item.

You see, you're making the arguement that the shipping itself was a purchased item. In a sense it is but I really doubt that PayPal is going to refund money based on the kind of delivery paid for and the kind provided. PayPal is only going to care if you never received the item that you purchased off of eBay.


You forget about one thing. He is a company, he is subject to law. In our Europe / The Netherlands packaging and posting must be in line with the real costs. Otherwise the company is wrong. The company drives a business, business is taking risks. If one person buys 10 of his shippin-overpriced items he can only calculate reasonable costs! That's it.

Unfortunately as far as I'm aware tat isn't the case here in the United States. We don't have a law that says that a shipper has to charge exact shipping.

[number6]

One could easily argue that the product includes individually shipping each item since it was paid for as the final price. I guess my point is 2 can play the semantics game if they really want to and justify their stance. Since the shipping price was very hi I would expect a premium shipping service. If the seller just bundles them all in one package for say $20 that in no way is better than the seller shipping each item seperately which is what was paid for.

I guess we can argue on this subject for a long while and I would still feel the same way I do now. I am sure I won't change your mind on the subject either Griking. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Personally I would never get in this type of situation. I always confirm with a seller about combining shipping before bidding on multiple items from a single seller. I still think this seller should be nominated to the black list for not even trying to work with the buyer and leaving negs so soon in the process.

[yok-dfa]

This guy screwed me over. I bought 125 games and 80% of them were demos. The rest were disc only copies. and he overcharged for shipping. I value my ebay account so I don't think I even left negative feedback due to the repercussions.

@_@ x_x So 1 extra positive feedback is worth more to you than i guess a few hundred $$$ (seeing how this guy overcharges on shipping) ???

[kevin_psx]

This guy screwed me over. I bought 125 games and 80% of them were demos. The rest were disc only copies. and he overcharged for shipping.

Saw that auction. Almost bid for it. But saw there was only one good game - FF7 - plus 20 obsolete sports titles from 1997 - and 100 games that were not listed. I guessed the other 100 "games" were probably demos. Did not want to bid $120 for that worthless trash.

I'd leave a neg. Deceptive advertising (calling demos = games in his listing) - "125 games for sale!" - Liar.

[jajaja]

Whats the status? Did you pay the $125 in shipping after all?

[Griking]

Whats the status? Did you pay the $125 in shipping after all?

and if you did what what did you eventually get in the mail and how was it shipped?

[XianXi]

you get 20 negatives but they are all from 1 member which only counts as 1 negative.

But anywho by all means make seperate payments and you can also report him to ebay because he is trying to avoid seller fees. A lot of sellers get busted for doing that.

Tell him to ship everything seperate because if he is not gonna combine the shipping then why should you pass the savings on to him. Blasphemy.

[kevin_psx]

you get 20 negatives but they are all from 1 member which only counts as 1 negative.

You sure? Thought each neg counted? UPDATE -Received games - have not inspected closely but look as advertised. ONE LARGE BOX. I paid two separate transactions:

5 games for $40 + $30 ship.

15 games for $18 + $94 ship. <----- complained about this one to Ebay: "Charged me $94 to ship 15 CDs. Actual cost = $15. He charged $94!!! Consider this obvious violation of Ebay policy - he's trying to avoid paying his listing fees - via excessive shipping charge."



15 games for $18 pricetag
+ an extra $94 shipping
=======================
85% of the cost was shipping charge!

Nuts.

k

[godsey1]

you get 20 negatives but they are all from 1 member which only counts as 1 negative.

You sure? Thought each neg counted?

They should count as 1:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/evaluating-feedback.html

About half way down the page:

Members who left a negative:
This represents the number of unique members who have left a negative rating for ebayrose. If a member has left multiple negative ratings, they will still count only once in this number.

Tony

[kevin_psx]

The seller is responsible for determining the shipping and handling charges on his or her auctions. eBay encourages sellers to clearly describe the item and the shipping and delivery terms in the listing to avoid possible confusion. If you do not pay you will get an Unpaid Item Strike ....... bah blah blah

It other words - "We ain't going to help you". I think I'm right.
15 games for $18 pricetag
+ an extra $94 shipping
=======================
85% of the cost was shipping charge! - is nuts. And Ebay should penalize the Seller.

[godsey1]

Seeing as high as the shipping is, even the cronies over at E-Bay can see that it is way too high. I hope that they will side with you on this one,

Tony

[yok-dfa]

I hope that they will side with you on this one

Even if they do, the only thing that might happen is that they NARU his account. You can forget about getting any money back...

[number6]

The seller is responsible for determining the shipping and handling charges on his or her auctions. eBay encourages sellers to clearly describe the item and the shipping and delivery terms in the listing to avoid possible confusion. If you do not pay you will get an Unpaid Item Strike ....... bah blah blah

It other words - "We ain't going to help you". I think I'm right.
15 games for $18 pricetag
+ an extra $94 shipping
=======================
85% of the cost was shipping charge! - is nuts. And Ebay should penalize the Seller.

Did you pay in one lump sum or did you pay each auction seperately?

[kevin_psx]

Did you pay in one lump sum or did you pay each auction seperately?
I paid two separate transactions:
5 games for $40 + $30 ship.
15 games for $18 + $94 ship. <----- complained about this one to Ebay

15 games for $18 pricetag
+ an extra $94 shipping
=======================
85% of the cost was shipping charge! - is nuts. And Ebay should penalize the Seller.


Asked him to ship 20 separate boxes - 'cause he charged me 20 separate times - $6.00 per game! - and I wanted the cardboard boxes I was paying for. He did not. One large box.

k

[johno590]

Did he ever reply saying that he wasn't going to or what? That sucks that he sent it in one box after you asked to send them seperately. Hope ebay helps you out there...

[Griking]

Did he ever reply saying that he wasn't going to or what? That sucks that he sent it in one box after you asked to send them seperately. Hope ebay helps you out there...

Yeah, that really sucks that he didn't send him 20 separate boxes. I'm sure he was really looking forward to constructing a holiday Nativity scene with all the extra cardboard too. :roll:

Get over it. If the games (note the word "games", not shipping a materials) arrived as described then he got exactly what he bid on, 20 games with an advertised shipping charge of $5 per game. eBay's response pretty much confirmed this too.

[anagrama]

Stop fucking moaning. It's your own fault for paying the ridiculous postage charge despite everyone's advice not to.

[kevin_psx]

Stop fucking moaning. It's your own fault for paying the ridiculous postage charge despite everyone's advice not to.
Get over it.

Whatever. JAJAJA ASKED: "Whats the status? Did you pay the $125 in shipping after all?" GRIKING: "and if you did what what did you eventually get in the mail and how was it shipped?" Not moaning. Answering the questions. It's funny - Griking asks a question - and then complains "get over it" when I answer. If you did not want to know - why'd you ask?!?!? Weird. And - if it bothers you (a) you don't have to read this topic and (b) you don't have to read this topic. "I know that's actually the same reason listed twice, but it was so bloody obvious, I thought I'd repeat it twice." - Kryten the Paranoid Android




This about principles, not money. Holding decpetive sellers accountable for - overcharging shipping/fee avoidance
- falsely advertising "mint" when the game is trash
- and disobeying ebay's rules

Scammers continue breaking the rules - we Buyers/Sellers lay down & let them walk all over us - I refuse to do that.

[number6]

Did he ever reply saying that he wasn't going to or what? That sucks that he sent it in one box after you asked to send them seperately. Hope ebay helps you out there...

Yeah, that really sucks that he didn't send him 20 separate boxes. I'm sure he was really looking forward to constructing a holiday Nativity scene with all the extra cardboard too. :roll:

Get over it. If the games (note the word "games", not shipping a materials) arrived as described then he got exactly what he bid on, 20 games with an advertised shipping charge of $5 per game. eBay's response pretty much confirmed this too.

No he paid for shipping 20 items seperately not 20 items in 2 boxes. It's fine if the seller wants to send them together to save on shipping costs, but should not the seller pass on those savings to the buyer? I guess there is not much that can be done, but I would never buy from this seller no matter how good his product was simply because of his poor business practices. I think this seller is a prime candidate to add to the DP EBay blacklist. This seller does not work with buyer when there was a simple misunderstanding. Sure the seller is technically in the clear here in Ebays (and some members here too apparently)estimation, but that does not clear this seller's unethical business practices in my eyes.

[Joohan]

The seller is responsible for determining the shipping and handling charges on his or her auctions. eBay encourages sellers to clearly describe the item and the shipping and delivery terms in the listing to avoid possible confusion. If you do not pay you will get an Unpaid Item Strike ....... bah blah blah

It other words - "We ain't going to help you". I think I'm right.
15 games for $18 pricetag
+ an extra $94 shipping
=======================
85% of the cost was shipping charge! - is nuts. And Ebay should penalize the Seller.

Determining is NOT making it up!

[Griking]

Stop fucking moaning. It's your own fault for paying the ridiculous postage charge despite everyone's advice not to.
Get over it.

Whatever. JAJAJA ASKED: "Whats the status? Did you pay the $125 in shipping after all?" GRIKING: "and if you did what what did you eventually get in the mail and how was it shipped?" Not moaning. Answering the questions. It's funny - Griking asks a question - and then complains "get over it" when I answer. If you did not want to know - why'd you ask?!?!? Weird. And - if it bothers you (a) you don't have to read this topic and (b) you don't have to read this topic. "I know that's actually the same reason listed twice, but it was so bloody obvious, I thought I'd repeat it twice." - Kryten the Paranoid Android

Sorry about that. It was more of a response to others debating the topic then it was to you.



This about principles, not money. Holding decpetive sellers accountable for - overcharging shipping/fee avoidance
- falsely advertising "mint" when the game is trash
- and disobeying ebay's rules

Scammers continue breaking the rules - we Buyers/Sellers lay down & let them walk all over us - I refuse to do that.

I really hate to repeat myself but c'mon, the bottom line is that the seller made it completely clear what his shipping rate was and you agreed to it. Fair, unfair, whatever, you agreed to his shipping policy by bidding on his auctions. Hopefully now you've learned to ask important questions before you bid.

[kevin_psx]

Yes. Knew before I bid I would be charged $6 per game.

Knew the seller's auction said, "I do not combine shipping on multiple items."

Knew exactly what I was doing.

Still a rules violation & still worth reporting to Ebay. Just because a seller writes a "don't combine shipping" disclaimer does not mean he can ignore the rules. He deserves some kind of punishment for avoiding Ebay's fees

Understand? Hope I made my position clear.

:)

[VACRMH]

LOL

You showed him.

[Vroomfunkel]

Still a rules violation

Except ... it isn't! It is a rules violation to charge excess shipping on any one item.

However there is, as far as I am aware, no ebay rule stating that sellers have to offer shipping cost reductions for multiple items. Nor is there any rule stating that if you buy multiple items then they have to send them separately.

If there is, show it to me now.

Whether you, I, or anyone else agrees with it or thinks it is justifiable is another matter.

Vroomfunkel

[XianXi]

kevin next time pay for all items seperately. Remember sellers get charged $0.30+2.9% per transaction. So if you did it individually it would have been a higher fee to the seller.

But next time.

[kevin_psx]

"A shipping and handling fee can cover the seller's reasonable costs for mailing, packaging and handling the items."

Why does eBay have this policy? "Listings that include excessive shipping and handling fees lead to a poor buying experience and un-level the playing field by putting sellers who charge reasonable shipping and handling charges at a disadvantage."
======================================

"Users may not use systems or techniques to circumvent, or avoid, eBay fees. Some Examples - Unreasonable shipping or handling costs - Listings with low prices but unreasonably high shipping or handling costs."

Why does eBay have this policy? "Listings that circumvent (avoid) fees may provide a poor buying experience and always unlevel the playing field by putting sellers who pay all their eBay fees at a disadvantage."



Yes. You disagree. Still. Charging $96 to ship $0.01 games is "circumventing fees" Imho. I will report it & let ebay decide what to do.

[XianXi]

make sure you send multiple emails to ebay about it so they do something about.

[XianXi]

what seller is this BTW?

[Griking]

"A shipping and handling fee can cover the seller's reasonable costs for mailing, packaging and handling the items."

I think if you asked eBay about it they would define "item" as per auction. And truthfully this guy did offer a reasonable shipping fee in every one of his auctions. This is what keeps him within eBay's rules. It's just when you added them all up it came out to a rediculous amount of money.

[kevin_psx]

$6.00 to mail a CD is reasonable????? Never mind - don't want to start that debate. The issue here is $94 for mailing 1 cent games - clear case of fee avoidance. ---> Can't imagine Ebay being okay with losing money.

sethpackard
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=sethpackard&item=&iid=&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:SID

[Griking]

$6.00 to mail a CD is reasonable?????

Well, perhaps it's a bit on the high side but it's well removed from the realm of fee advoidance when you're factor in things like handling fees and expenses which eBay allows.

[Vroomfunkel]

It is only going to be classed as fee avoidance if the fee on any specific listing is excessive. Apart from anything else, I would imagine that it would legally be next to impossible to define it any other way.

As for $6 shipping for a PS1 game - many sellers charge this much, some who sell the games for 1 cent, some who sell their games for $5, $10, or more.

The guy who sells for a cent is no more avoiding fees than the ones that sell for more. $6 is on the high side, but isn't so high as to be a complete scam.

Ebay probably bean-count it. They might be losing a bit of revenue from some slightly inflated shipping prices here - but it's less than they would lose from his listing fees if he didn't list the tons of games that he does. So they'll let it slide.

The excessive shipping policy is really there so they can bust the people selling an ipod for $1 with $299 shipping.

Unless the employee time spent chasing it up and the revenue loss combined are significant enough for eBay, they aren't really going to care I'm afraid.

Vroomfunkel

[slurpeepoop]

I just wish that you had paid twenty four seperate times.





And Griking, Ministry kicks all sorts of ass. Jesus built my hot rod. It's a love affair.

[number6]

I just wish that you had paid twenty four seperate times.





And Griking, Ministry kicks all sorts of ass. Jesus built my hot rod. It's a love affair.

Yep, if he paid for each item seperately then the seller would have been forced to send all the games seperately or else he would face paypal's famous DC rule.

[kevin_psx]

UPDATE
My name's Kristyn. I have reviewed the potential Fee Circumvention violation. In the sellers auctions he stated he does not offer a discount on shipping if you buy more than one item. Therefore, the member has not violated any current eBay listing policies.
So that's that. I suspected that would happen, even while I was bidding, but I thought $175 / 24 = $7.00 per "mint" games was still a good deal. Now I will remove my shipping discount 'cause Ebay does not require it.



Also he did ship two boxes. One box got torn apart in Colorado & there's a note saying they had to repackage everything. That last box just arrived yesterday & I hope nothing's lost.

[Griking]

UPDATE
My name's Kristyn. I have reviewed the potential Fee Circumvention violation. In the sellers auctions he stated he does not offer a discount on shipping if you buy more than one item. Therefore, the member has not violated any current eBay listing policies.
So that's that. I suspected that would happen, even while I was bidding, but I thought $175 / 24 = $7.00 per "mint" games was still a good deal. Now I will remove my shipping discount 'cause Ebay does not require it.



Also he did ship two boxes. One box got torn apart in Colorado & there's a note saying they had to repackage everything. That last box just arrived yesterday & I hope nothing's lost.

I can't really say I'm surprised since nobody was ever able to link to an eBay rule that he'd broken.

[Saabmeister]

UPDATE
My name's Kristyn. I have reviewed the potential Fee Circumvention violation. In the sellers auctions he stated he does not offer a discount on shipping if you buy more than one item. Therefore, the member has not violated any current eBay listing policies.
So that's that. I suspected that would happen, even while I was bidding, but I thought $175 / 24 = $7.00 per "mint" games was still a good deal. Now I will remove my shipping discount 'cause Ebay does not require it.

Also he did ship two boxes. One box got torn apart in Colorado & there's a note saying they had to repackage everything. That last box just arrived yesterday & I hope nothing's lost.

So because he was an ass to you (and he really is a jerk, if it's the same seller I'm thinking of), and you suspected that this was going to happen, even while you were bidding on the items, you felt it necessary to start a thread here, and now youre going to do the same thing that pissed you off to other people?

Wow.

[kevin_psx]

UPDATE
My name's Kristyn. I have reviewed the potential Fee Circumvention violation. In the sellers auctions he stated he does not offer a discount on shipping if you buy more than one item. Therefore, the member has not violated any current eBay listing policies. Now I will remove my shipping discount 'cause Ebay does not require it. So because he was an ass to you, and now youre going to do the same thing that pissed you off, to other people?

Wow.

Tact.

Please use tact.

You could have expressed your thoughts w/o the hate. You are right. I won't sell 20 games & not give a discount. I will not be sethpackard.

[lurpak]

I think the semantics is in his wording,

did his auction state

I will not combine shipping costs

or

I will not combine shipping

obviously thats what the crux of your complaint should be.
because if he would not combine costs then you have no claim, but if he says he will not combine shipping, then that means including the process of delivery, in which case you next step appeal ebays decision on these grounds.

[8bitnes]

if you actually decide to pay it, pay for all auctions separately through paypal. do NOT use the auction payment combining thing. then, make sure every separate auction is shipped in a separate box. if its not, claim that you never received the item and file a chargeback through paypal.

I agree with this, dude. The guy is being a serious ass, no matter how cheap you got the games for. However, if the guy said he doesn't combine shipping (in the auction) then you're kind of stuck, but there is no reason to make it easy on him. Pay separately and insist that each game be shipped on its own. Maybe he'll learn (doubtful, but hope springs eternal or something like that.)

Moreover, if he does then ship them in one package, you'll have a valid claim for excessive shipping x 24, whereas if he ships them all separate, at least you'll be keeping him honest.

I would definitely pay. You bought them because you wanted them and even $7 a game can't be that bad for that system. If the seller is unwilling to combine shipping, then I wouldn't be willing to combine payments. It is your fault for not asking first though.

You'll piss off the seller for sure because he will have to pay additional paypal fees (30 cents automatic PER payment, then the customary 2.9% or whatever it's hiked to now .. so an extra $5.70 in fees). Also, you won't get your free games, but who needs another copy of Madden '99 anyway.

Finally, I have successfully filed a chargeback with my credit card on excessive shipping because the seller's listing stated "no hidden fees, you pay exact shipping". He charged $35 S&H and shipped in a flat rate box. I got the difference back. He has since updated his listing as well. You probably could argue that since his listing says he doesn't combine shipping, then he shouldn't ship in one box.

Another option would be to ship one game each to different friends/family members and then gather them up over the holidays.

Good luck with whatever you do.

[chimp69]

If you are gonna pay, then do the following. basically no combined shipping, then do everything seperate like everyone said.

1) pay each one individually through paypal. you dont have to pay fees, but he does on each item. Pay the shipping on each item seperately.

2) You might not want to receive 20 packages, but If he says he wont combine, then send them to me seperately. Make him have to pay five bucks shipping per game. And they arrive in seperate boxes. This guy is retarded. I WONT DO COMBINED SHIPPING(but i will combine them in the same shipping box?)
3) as soon as you pay, here is the important part. HArass him to leave you good feedback. Say, I paid you lwheres my feedback. and harass him everyday. This way, if he leaves you a good feedback. he cant retaliate against you by leaving a bad feedback, when you do.

[kevin_psx]

"I will not combine shipping"

obviously thats what the crux of your complaint should be. Because if he would not combine costs then you have no claim. But if he says he will not combine shipping, then that means including the process of delivery, in which case you next step appeal ebays decision on these grounds.
Although I don’t combine shipping, for every 5 games you win, I include a FREE Playstation game selected at random (games must be checked out at the same time)!


How do I appeal Ebay's decision?

.

[hattg]

I would like to see a link to one of the auctions to see what the terms actually say. Also, you can ask the guy to ship them all separate since you might pay for them all separately, but do you actually think he will? No way! Only justice you get from that is he gets charged the small fee for each payment, but still WAY excessive.

EBay usually doesn't even deal with excessive shipping charges until its over something like 10 times the actual amount. But in this case it sounds like it is much more than that.

Personally, I am tired of sellers that sell very low and make it all up in the shipping. Like someone said earlier, they don't have to pay fees on it that way, so they make more money. I try to avoid these sellers as much as possible. If I can get something for the same total price from someone else I will.

[yok-dfa]

Did you guys actually read this thread? He already paid for them and already has received the game :hmm:

[Griking]

Did you guys actually read this thread? He already paid for them and already has received the game :hmm:

Really!

Please, just let it go. It's over.

[Captain Wrong]

This thread is hilarious.

Let's see...seller says shipping is $6.95 and he won't combine. kevin_psx says he knew that before bidding and went ahead and bid anyway. Then he expects to get some discount on shipping and gets his nose bent out of joint when the guy doesn't do it.

Well, at least you did the right thing and paid up for your games. Hope it was worth it and let this be a lesson to you to stay away from those penny auctions.

[ianoid]

We've all heard it before: There's no such thing as a free lunch. Nobody is giving away games for 1 cent. NOBODY. Everyone has to make money somehow to justify their time, and pay their eBay fees.

When you look at an auction, the total price you are paying is the auction price + shipping price. If you don't know the shipping cost before you bid, you don't know what you are paying. Lesson learned, I'm sure.

Clearly alot of people are taking the shady route and making their money on shipping. It's a way to avoid fees.
I think that the only thing you can do is to try to bring this to eBay's attention as a fee avoidance scheme.

$1 for my Toyata Prius. $25,000 for shipping. No local pick ups allowed.

Soapbox ian: I sell alot of games with free shipping. I just factor in the $1.50 it will cost me to ship first class with delivery confirmation in the US or Canada in the min and BIN price. I have had great success with this method. Of course, if you want your game mint or are worried about a case crack, you really oughta spend the extra $3 on priority mail shipping. So remember, even free shipping has a catch.

[ianoid]

Case and point:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ID3-SD-MMC-MP3-Player-1GB-Toshiba-SD-Memory-Card-1-GB-W_W0QQitemZ5843731527QQcategoryZ80020QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

Check out the shipping. That's a nice fee avoidance scheme if I've ever seen it.

[kevin_psx]

UPDATE


The games were not "mint". 5 were okay. 15 damaged. The
Seller said he'd give price + ship = full refund--- I agreed &
returned them. DC # 0305 0830 0001 6328 7893 shows
he has them but I have no refund. Seller's dishonest.

[kevin_psx]

double post - please delete

[kevin_psx]

UPDATE
In the sellers auctions he stated he does not offer a discount on shipping if you buy more than one item. Therefore, the member has not violated any current eBay listing policies. So that's that. I suspected that would happen, even while I was bidding, but I thought $175 / 24 = $7.00 per "mint" games was still a good deal.



That jackass sethpackard still has not refunded the money for the 15 damaged games I mailed back!!!!!!!

He stole 150 bucks!

The mo-fo.

[sirhansirhan]

Hey, I'm so glad you bumped this thread. It's fun to compare your problem here with posts you've recently put on other people's threads:


$125 for 20 ps1 games.

Asked for a 50% rebate - $62.50. He refused. His defense - "Auction States : I don’t combine shipping, for every 5 games you win, I include a FREE game."

Okay. I get 24 games. $125 is still extra-high for shipping. Am I wrong to ask for 50% rebate? Shall I just suck it up?


If you bid w/o asking questions--- you are not following Ebay rules.



I get tired of how greedy people are on eBay.
People are there to make money. Nothing wrong with that.


Would you like some cheese with your whine? -falls over laughing

See?