modded my nes with rgb and stereo out put !!

[acem77]

finally got the playchoice 10 ppu for my nes rgb mod!
i used the simple n64 rgb amp to boost the brightness as you can see it works great.
it looks great. i also did the stereo mod and love the new stereo sound.
here are some pics of the nes with out rgb then with rgb hooked up to my samsung dlp through a xrgb2 plus.


8-) stereo nes sound test mp3 download (http://www.greatlakesvista.com/rgb/nes/stereo_nes.zip) 8-)

composite x_x
http://www.greatlakesvista.com/rgb/nes/nes_composite.jpg

rgb X_x
http://www.greatlakesvista.com/rgb/nes/nes_rgb.jpg


now i have to work on a rgb mod for my final rgbless system the 3do......

[Trebuken]

Cool work around for the RGB on a NES. GameSX.com? or did you come up with it? Any instructions online for performing this mod?

3DO. Is it worth RGB'ing? S-Video is nice...wonder if could be modde for component?

Later,
Trebuken

[Blanka789]

Sweet! I've been wanting to do that, but now I'm probably gonna get a NEX so it seems pointless.

[Eternal Champion]

Wow man, that looks sweet. I never knew Contra could look that good ;)

Sorry for the noob question: I didn't think rgb on the NES was possible, as the cpu didn't output rgb outright like the N64 did, for example. Or not?

Also, what monitor is this connected to? Did you have customize something?

[CosmicMonkey]

Yeah, a normal NES can't be modded to output RGB. You have to remove the PPU from a PlayChoice10 Arcade board, and swap it for the PPU in the NES.

The Playchoice10 is basically a arcade version of the NES, with the facility to hold 10carts. Instead of paying for credits in the game (which would mean rewriting game code) you pay for a set amount of play time. And by the very nature of the unit being an arcade cab, and needing to output video to an RGB monitor, the PPU supports RGB. Smashing.

Oh, and afaik, NES carts won't work on a PC10, and PC10 carts wont work on a NES.

As for the RGB mod on a 3DO, I don't think it's possible. I was reading about this a while ago. And if it is possible, the cost would be many time more than that of a 3DO system. If you are interested, I'll get back to you on this.

EDIT: Meant to say well done for doing such a hard mod. The difference in Contra is amazing. I'd love to see composite/RGB comparisons of other NES games.

[jajaja]

Wow, that looks really great. You can easaly see the diffrence. Didnt know it was that big diffrence.

[alec006]

Wow that looks good,i can see the difference,composite looks alittle blured while RGB looks sharp, great job.

[Gamereviewgod]

That doesn't sound like it was a cheap mod, but damn does it look nice. The color seperation is stunning.

[Memnon]

Hm. I wonder if an S-Video mod can be done.

[Mangar]

That is impressive.

If i ever end up biting the bullet and picking up an XRGB for my Samsung DLP, i'll end up trying it myself.

[Eternal Champion]

Yeah, a normal NES can't be modded to output RGB. You have to remove the PPU from a PlayChoice10 Arcade board, and swap it for the PPU in the NES.

The Playchoice10 is basically a arcade version of the NES, with the facility to hold 10carts. Instead of paying for credits in the game (which would mean rewriting game code) you pay for a set amount of play time. And by the very nature of the unit being an arcade cab, and needing to output video to an RGB monitor, the PPU supports RGB. Smashing.
Ah, I gotcha! That's damn clever. (What's a PPU?)
And what monitor is this hooked up to and how? The Playchoice 10 raster arcade monitor?

[googlefest1]

WOW - siginificant diference

[rbudrick]

Can you show us pics and write out the pinout for this? I'm dying to see instructions for this...

I beg of thee to write a walkthrough/FAQ. ;)

EDIT: OMG, I never knew the symbol in the top left for lives remaining (the medals) had yellow in them!

-Rob

[ClassicGameTrader]

Thats pretty amazing!

I have a question for everyone that is sort of related.

Has anyone played NES/SNES games on an RGB hookup through XBOX? I am wondering if that is comparable to doing this type of mod.

[CosmicMonkey]

There's a thread here at NFG Games (http://nfg.2y.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1592) with the full instructions & pictures for performing this mod.

Have fun everyone.

EDIT - There's a link in that NFG thread to a Japanese website. Using the powers of BabelFish, I've translated a link on that page, that has ordering info for RGB mod boards for the original Famicom and the new AV Famicom. Check it here (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fhomepage3.nifty.com%2fF-LABO%2fProductsList.html#NEWFCRGB). No idea if the chap will ship outside of Japan, or if these kits would work with US/PAL NESs or NES2s?

[Jagasian]

Sweet! I've been wanting to do that, but now I'm probably gonna get a NEX so it seems pointless.

The NEX doesn't even support S-video, let alone RGB, component, or VGA. Furthermore, the NEX's video output via RCA composite isn't even as good as a toaster NES's video output via RCA composite. So I hardly see how this mod is pointless.


Has anyone played NES/SNES games on an RGB hookup through XBOX? I am wondering if that is comparable to doing this type of mod.

Yes, I have. Believe it or not, the video is still more blury on the Xbox emulating a NES, compared to a real NES hooked up via RCA composite! I was surprised more than anybody. I spent lots of time tweaking the emulator's settings to get the output to match the real NES's as closely as possible. SNES emulation on the Xbox is as bad, video wise, even when compared to a SNES hooked up via S-video. Note that the SNES can do RGB without any modding. You just need the Japanese RGB SCART cable.

The reason for the poor video output of emulation on the Xbox has to do with the Xbox's video hardware, which blurs video output as a form of anti-aliasing and deinterlacing. You can tweak the Xbox's SNES emulator a bit, by disabling what is called the "flicker filter". This makes the image allot less blury, but on many televisions, it causes the video output to flicker or jump up and down, really fast, by about a pixel or two. So overall, with the flicker filter disabled, it looks even worse. Partly for this reason, I still have a real NES and SNES hooked up alongside my Xbox :/

[Jagasian]

Has anybody come up with an RGB mod for the top-loader NES? Now THAT would be a killer mod :D

[CosmicMonkey]

The NEX doesn't even support S-video, let alone RGB, component, or VGA.

Nor does any other Famiclone. Ever.

Anyhow, not sure if anyone's seen this, but Brian Provinciano has crated a NES Video card (http://www.bripro.com/low/hardware/nesvidcard/index.php?page=how) for the PC, based on a NES PPU. Quality.

RGB is damn good, isn't it : ) This is why I run all my consoles via RGB Scart. The Duo-R was a mission to mod for RGB, but well worth it.

[Memnon]

Question- is the stereo sound 'true' stereo, or is it 'split' mono?

[The Manimal]

not to sound like a complete idiot, but how do you hook up an RGB connection to a TV? are you using a converter? is RGB better or worse than component? If worse, how does it compare to S-Video as far as color separation (as in the Contra RGB photo where adjacent colors aren't blurring together)?

This definitely looks appealing though I don't have the nerves to do mods myself. I used to be able to solder pretty good, but now I've got the "shakes" and it causes me to fuck up everything I do. LOL

[segagamer4life]

lookin great, NICE JOB!!!

[jajaja]

Question- is the stereo sound 'true' stereo, or is it 'split' mono?

Most likely split mono. The NES music is mono so you need to remake it if you want true stereo.
But you said you had to use something from the NES arcade system. Do you have to ruin one of those to mod a NES or can you put it back?

[CosmicMonkey]

not to sound like a complete idiot, but how do you hook up an RGB connection to a TV? are you using a converter? is RGB better or worse than component? If worse, how does it compare to S-Video as far as color separation (as in the Contra RGB photo where adjacent colors aren't blurring together)?

You need a TV with an RGB Scart socket. And being located in the States, your chance of finding one of those is veeeery low. So your best chance is an old computer monitor that accepts an RGB signal. In the UK however, 99% of tellys now have a normal Scart as standard, and most half decent TVs have RGB Scart.

RGB is the best signal output you can get. Much better than S-Video. If you want, it is possible to convert RGB to S-Video using a J-Rok converter.

[Trebuken]

You can find an RGB monitor on ebay easy enough. Most people settle for the old Commodore monitors. I think they are too small; the next choice is the Sony PVM 2530. 25" of RGB goodness (Gotta see Genesis in RGB). These are heavy (135lbs), and you would be best finding one local somehow.

Some HDTV's also have RGB inputs.

Most systems after the NES are RGB capable with out modding the system. That's why this is so cool. It pushes RGB into new territory...

Now to get RGB from a colecovision...

Later,
Trebuken

[acem77]

all systems hooked up to the xrgb look as sharp as if it was an emulator running on a vga monitor.
the xbox emulators have a blurry look to them :roll:



Is there a guide or an info site on how to do this anywhere?
how to rgb a nes thread (http://nfg.2y.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1592)

the orignal nes stereo mod site is gone.(i found this site cached on google)
original site (http://www.zyx.com/chrisc/nesstereo.html)
this site has a few pics and some info.
http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/nes_mod/nes_mod_en.php

i added two pots to the back of my nes to mix the left and right channels better.
i wired my pots up diff from how a few people did theirs i think its lets me do more.



i have updated my original post with a stereo nes mp3.


the 3do does have a rgb mod but it has almost been lost in time...

when you finally get rgb out of a game system you can then convert it to component or s-video. it will then look better than composite.
neo-bitz is a rgb to component board for neo-geo i got it to work with a all my other systems at the time.
i use to do this with my systems like my genesis or neo-geo ect.. before i got my HD samsung with the vga port + the xrgb2 plus.

the xrgb2 plus is still the best i have seen. it can not get any better. :eek 2:


:angry: grrr why do i never get notified when some one replies to my post on this forum...

[tylerwillis]

There is a preferences section under your profile (at the very top of the page) - you can set it to be emailed anytime someone posts in a topic that you have posted in. Alternatively, at the very bottom underneath the latest post, left hand side, there is a link that says "start watching this thread" - it does the same thing, only you don't have to make a post. The same link can be used to stop watching the thread.

In any case, sweet mod. I've done a NES2 for composite, and I thought I was cool. ;)

[Jagasian]

In any case, sweet mod. I've done a NES2 for composite, and I thought I was cool. ;)

Did you do the original NES2 composite mod, or the new NES2 composite mod that was just released a few weeks ago? The new mod makes video as good as a toaster's composite video.

BTW, did Nintendo or anybody else every make a component multi-out cable for the SNES, N64, and Gamecube? They all use the same multi-out cables, and there are official Nintendo RGB SCART cables, as well as un-official VGA cables. But it seems as though component is the standard video cabling technology for high end TVs in America.

[tylerwillis]

In any case, sweet mod. I've done a NES2 for composite, and I thought I was cool. ;)

Did you do the original NES2 composite mod, or the new NES2 composite mod that was just released a few weeks ago? The new mod makes video as good as a toaster's composite video.

BTW, did Nintendo or anybody else every make a component multi-out cable for the SNES, N64, and Gamecube? They all use the same multi-out cables, and there are official Nintendo RGB SCART cables, as well as un-official VGA cables. But it seems as though component is the standard video cabling technology for high end TVs in America.

I did the mod a few years ago, under the directions at
http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/nes2avmod.htm

I never directly compared that mod to a toaster, is there a noticeable difference?

[Jagasian]

I did the mod a few years ago, under the directions at
http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/nes2avmod.htm

I never directly compared that mod to a toaster, is there a noticeable difference?

Yes, there is a big difference. Enough to warrent a newer better AV mod.

[tylerwillis]

I did the mod a few years ago, under the directions at
http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/nes2avmod.htm

I never directly compared that mod to a toaster, is there a noticeable difference?

Yes, there is a big difference. Enough to warrent a newer better AV mod.

Huh. I'm not quite fanatical enought to re-mod a working mod, but I would be interested to see a comparison... got a link to some pics? Something like what acem77 has done up there?

[The Manimal]

So your best chance is an old computer monitor that accepts an RGB signal.



:/

Not interested in viewing games on a PC monitor. I use a 20" TV for gaming currently and even composite looks good (except for Genesis on composite *blech* ). I'd prefer to go 27" or perhaps larger, and I don't see this being with a PC monitor. I'd prefer to go the route of the initial poster, with an RGB to COMPONENT VIDEO converter, and use it on a TV (of own size choosing). (How much are these converters, BTW?)

[Tanis178]

i prefer a 27" tv as well, better scanlines

[The Manimal]

i prefer a 27" tv as well, better scanlines

What do you mean by "better scanlines"? Things look better?

The 20" TV I have does look very good - I just wish it was bigger. 27" sounds about perfect to me, as any bigger and I think I'd notice more flaws than anything else. However, most 27" TVs (analog ones which I can use light guns etc on) have poor resolution. My 20" has specs stating 800 lines horizontal, and since it's NTSC, I think that's standard around 480 or so for vertical res? For this, this should display full PS1 and Saturn resolution I would assume, however I look at recent models like the most recent Samsung and Sony, and they have only around 540..not as many. :( I am actually searching eBay for used CRT TVs from about 4 years ago, before resolution was cut down (pretty much looking for the 27" version of my 20" - with same advertised resolution).

But as far as this RGB modding of consoles - if it can look that good on a DLP like pictured in this thread (Samsung's smallest DLP is a 42"), I might want to play these on an even larger TV at some point.

[acem77]

conveters cost $100-$200.
i was lucky and got my xrgb2 plus on ebay for $109 shipped.
they are normaly $200.
after seeing how good it really works on my samsung dlp i would have been more than happy to have paid $200.

i say no to scan lines :P
i am one of the few put i am happy to see them gone with the new HD displays.

but if you really must the xrgb 2 plus can add imitation scan lines......

[Jagasian]

Huh. I'm not quite fanatical enought to re-mod a working mod, but I would be interested to see a comparison... got a link to some pics? Something like what acem77 has done up there?

The original AV mod doesn't necessarily remove the noise lines in the video, and all-in-all, video quality isn't improved very much at all when going from RF to AV mod version 1. However, AV mod version 2 makes video exactly the same as a toaster's composite video output. So if you want a comparison, just compare your AV mod version 1 to a toaster NES, both on the same TV, via RCA composite.

Here is the thread that describes the mod:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73222

[tylerwillis]

I may have to do that at some point, but ATM my toaster is in a box somewhere.

I noticed a night/day difference between my first gen mod and the RF output... I remember hooking both wires up and switching between them to see the difference... but then again, I'm not an expert.

I'll certainly keep the second mod in mind if I ever need to do a second mod.

[rbudrick]

Is anyone offering a service for this yet? I know I'd definitely screw up doing this mod myself, so I was hoping someone might know of someone who would do it. A long shot, I know, but I'd certainly pay what it's worth.

-Rob

[acem77]

i would do the mod but the ppu is the hard part to find. find that i and the rest of the stuff is easy to buy.

i got my ppu from a bad duckhunt pcb on ebay.
after 3 weeks of looking :P

[Anthony1]

i prefer a 27" tv as well, better scanlines

What do you mean by "better scanlines"? Things look better?

The 20" TV I have does look very good - I just wish it was bigger. 27" sounds about perfect to me, as any bigger and I think I'd notice more flaws than anything else. However, most 27" TVs (analog ones which I can use light guns etc on) have poor resolution. My 20" has specs stating 800 lines horizontal, and since it's NTSC, I think that's standard around 480 or so for vertical res? For this, this should display full PS1 and Saturn resolution I would assume, however I look at recent models like the most recent Samsung and Sony, and they have only around 540..not as many. :( I am actually searching eBay for used CRT TVs from about 4 years ago, before resolution was cut down (pretty much looking for the 27" version of my 20" - with same advertised resolution).

But as far as this RGB modding of consoles - if it can look that good on a DLP like pictured in this thread (Samsung's smallest DLP is a 42"), I might want to play these on an even larger TV at some point.



Here is the deal bro. The best TV in the world for video games is a Sony PVM. The Sony PVM does S-Video better than just about any TV I've ever encountered. It also does composite video very well. And if you get one that has the 25 pin connector on it, then it does RGB. True analog 15hz RGB. It comes in various sizes. There are 13 inch flavors, 19 inch flavors, 20 inch flavors, 25 inch flavors, 27 inch flavors, 32 inch flavors and if you have about 4 grand, even a 40 inch flavor. These TV's have a 4:3 aspect ratio, which is the correct ratio for every video game system from the Dreamcast to anything previous.


Old school games were not made to be played on widescreen 16:9 screens in stretch mode. They weren't meant to be played widescreen TV's in 4:3 mode with grey bars on the sides. They really were meant to be played on 4:3 regular old TV's. But the best TV in the world from a gaming standpoint, is pretty much the Sony PVM with the S-Video input and the 25 pin RGB input. Nothing can really touch it. Especially in the larger sizes. The Sony PVM-2530 is pretty much a fan favorite. The Sony PVM-2030 is another fan favorite. Both of those models feature S-Video and RGB. (of course composite as well). And if you want to get in the big boys, then there are 27 inch sizes and even larger. And these are true RGB monitors. You play Super Ghouls and Ghosts on them in RGB for the SNES, and you will shit your pants.

[c0ldb33r]

Wow that looks great! Good job :D

[rbudrick]

i would do the mod but the ppu is the hard part to find. find that i and the rest of the stuff is easy to buy.

i got my ppu from a bad duckhunt pcb on ebay.
after 3 weeks of looking

Right, of course. So if I could find one, would you be open to it? Would it be glitch-free (reading that thread they mentioned some games were glitched, but easily fixed)? Would it be component or (a) true RGB jack(s)?

-Rob

[Niku-Sama]

i have an extra set of NES guts i may try this on but there must be an easier way.

these guts were going to be a portable conversion but if i helps other people i may try to figure out something easier.

i dont often succed but some times i find something werid.
its fun too

edit:
woah kinda old topic but i still want to try, very bored here.
i was notcing though at gamesx's message board, one of "Moosmann"'s pics http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/moosmann/electronic/NES046.jpg has AMD chips on it for the SRAM when did they buy chips from AMD. i also notice the NES-CPU-08 board is no where near as sloppy as my NES-CPU-07 board infront of me

[blue lander]

Oh, and afaik, NES carts won't work on a PC10, and PC10 carts wont work on a NES.


There is a way to play NES titles on a PC10. You need a physical adaptor since the connectors on a NES and PC10 are completely different, and you also need to download and burn a new BIOS for the PC10. I'm not sure if it's 100% compatible, though.

[rbudrick]

So the 3 methods to get the right PPU are:

PC10 motheroard

Vs. Duck Hunt board

Vs. Tennis board

Is this correct? Do the Vs. games come on cards like the PC10 games, or are they just built into the motherboards of the cabinets?

-Rob

[rbudrick]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140072267555&rd=1&rd=1#ebayphotohosting


YOU ARE BIDDING ON A NINTENDO VS. DUCK HUNT PCB/BOARD. THIS BOARD IS IN GOOD SHAPE BUT MISSING A ROM OR 2. LOOK AT THE PICS BELOW SO YOU KNOW WHAT IS MISSING. USE IT FOR PARTS OR ACQUIRE THE MISSING ROMS AND USE THIS BOARD.

So I got this Duck Hunt board, figuring a couple roms missing is no skin off my ass, since I'm going to just snag the PPU out if it. I think I got screwed. Could't tell form the original pic. All of the chips seem to have their numbers removed from the tops, and it appears the only 40 pin sockets are empty. I don't think the PPU is in there. It did go in one of those two slots there at the bottom of the pic, right?

http://i1.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/83/16/65d2_1.JPG

-Rob

[rbudrick]

Yep, I got screwed. Though the numbers are wiped off all the chips, if you hold them to the light just right, you can read them. The one in the middle toward the top is the CPU, and the PPU next to it was removed, which was the only part I needed. Anyone want this board for the cost of shipping? I'll ask him if he'll take a return first. If not, whoever wants this, lemme know.

-Rob

[leonk]

WOW! Talk about an old thread. Not sure how many of you follow NESDEV's forum where I started a top loader "lets get the AV fixed" thread a while back.

I've recently updated it with more info. I finally managed to get video out of a top loader as perfect as a front loader. Maybe the next thing I should try is to RGB mode the top loader and hook it up to my 42" HDTV. :)

By the way, how do you connect it to you monitor/TV?? Do you simply hook it up to a spare RGB video plug and run R, G, B, sync and GND?