View Full Version : Ubisoft advise not to play King Kong on the 360 ...
Vroomfunkel
12-14-2005, 04:24 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4525318.stm
This is nothing more than stupidity on the part of Ubisoft for only testing it on HDTV, and not on a normal TV ... but nevertheless, it will look bad for the 360.
Vroomfunkel
Icarus Moonsight
12-14-2005, 04:40 AM
Can't say I'm surprised... way to go the way of EA Ubi. Now apologize and begin on your path of atonement! O_O
What are these guys thinking? Sheesh
xmagxus
12-14-2005, 05:39 AM
I beat kong on the 360 and the graphics look incredible, the only bad looking 360 game out right now is gun - it definetly looks last gen, but kong and even NFS:MW got enough minor upgrades to make it look really good.
Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me.
Lothars
12-14-2005, 06:39 AM
Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me.
Well if I was to get a 360 at the moment I wouldn't have a HD tv it's gonna be probaly a couple years before I go HD
so to say it's beyond you it's not feasible or at least wanted for some people to go HD
I mean I would love to get a HDTV but Im happy with my small tv at the moment and eventually I will go HD.
Oobgarm
12-14-2005, 07:25 AM
Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me.
That's absurd. Perhaps the tech is still a bit too spendy for some folks? As hard as it may be to believe, not all gamers have top-of-the-line audio or video setups, myself included.
captain nintendo
12-14-2005, 08:26 AM
Can't say I'm surprised... way to go the way of EA Ubi. Now apologize and begin on your path of atonement! O_O
Maybe they should begin by giving everybody who bought the game a HDTV ;)
xmagxus
12-14-2005, 09:19 AM
I am sure kong still looks beautiful on a non hdtv. It looks great in 1080i but im sure even in 480i it would look better than an xbox game even if it is a port.
SamuraiSmurfette
12-14-2005, 09:39 AM
Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me.
I'm in the process of saving for a good TV, so I have mine hooked up with...rf :embarrassed:
But yeah, at my store, we have this game running on both the Xbox, and the 360, and I certainly noticed the difference, even with the 360 on HDTV. I thought it was just me ;)
s1lence
12-14-2005, 09:44 AM
I noticed that is in the U.K. which means PAL. I wonder if NTSC tv's have the same problem?? :hmm:
njiska
12-14-2005, 11:56 AM
You know i will say this. At least Ubisoft was big enough to admit it.
They fucked up, their bad, they know it and they aren't trying to hide it.
Bluteg
12-14-2005, 01:01 PM
I agree njiska, at least the admitted it. An EAish move would have been to either not care or say it was a special difficulty setting for 360 gamers.
Most non-enthusiast owned TVs I see in homes have the brightness, contrast and color cranked so high that you could probably play through Doom 3 without using the flashlight. I doubt this King Kong thing is a serious problem.
I noticed the game being dark while playing the demo at a store, it didn't really bother me tho and I had no trouble playing at all.
I just got a new TV last year, so it will be a long while until I get a HD TV.
Sylentwulf
12-14-2005, 02:37 PM
Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me.
I'll agree with this. The xbox 360 costs MORE than a lot of HDTV's. If you're willing to piss away $500 on a system upgrade, you can damn well afford a new TV too or instead.
segagamer4life
12-14-2005, 03:13 PM
Can't say I'm surprised... way to go the way of EA Ubi. Now apologize and begin on your path of atonement! O_O
Maybe they should begin by giving everybody who bought the game a HDTV ;)
lol, now that would be sweet, as unfeasable as it is.... :D
Joker T
12-14-2005, 03:24 PM
Seemed fine to me on the demo unit but that had an HDTV. I really need to pick one up.
slip81
12-14-2005, 03:58 PM
Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me.
I'll agree with this. The xbox 360 costs MORE than a lot of HDTV's. If you're willing to piss away $500 on a system upgrade, you can damn well afford a new TV too or instead.
That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Just because someone is willing to spend $400 on a console doens't automatically mean they have an additional $400 to spend on a new TV. Also, very few people are willing to spend $800 just to play a new console to it's fullest. I know I wouldn't.
Bojay1997
12-14-2005, 07:01 PM
Look, this is a ridiculous argument. Just because I purchased an Xbox 360 does not mean that I am going to go out and buy an HDTV. Frankly, the cheaper sets do not have the kind of video quality I am interested in and I really don't like the look of plasma or LCD, nor am I willing to pay the $1000 or more that a really nice quality HDTV costs still. I am waiting for some of the newer technologies which should be introduced in the next year or so which offer flat panels with higher picture quality without being LCD or plasma.
cyberfluxor
12-14-2005, 08:38 PM
I'm to some extent waiting for the new cheeper tv/monitors as well. I have been QUITE tempted to buy some of these 32" LCD HD TV/Monitors I've seen for under $800 though. Even with them being off the wall brands, they come with decent warntees of NO dead pixles for a few years and hardware failures (Cause boy do they get hot!). My company though, was offering a 26" LCD HD TV/Monitors from Panasonic for $750 (or $25 out of your paycheck until paid off). It's a HUGE nag on me cause I know I'd love it on my computer and with a switch unit to play consule games as well!
Julio III
12-14-2005, 09:22 PM
For all the people talking about getting a 360 and not owning an HDTV. This was a UK article and in the UK, HDTV is pretty much unheard of. No programs are broadcast in it and other media is still standard PAL definition, so really the only thing capable of producing that kind of image is the 360 (well, i guess you could hook laptops/other pcs up to it). However, while xmas shopping today, i noticed that Dixons were selling a few huge-screen HDTVs so maybe they are finally getting introduced here since the xbox360 launch. But i think here many more people know about the 360 than HDTV (i even heard one guy today in the shop asking to buy a "Nextbox", he even watched a guy playing on the 360 demo unit for 5mins and looked at the games so must of seen the real name of the system.
Flack
12-14-2005, 10:01 PM
I've never seen another article like this. Can anyone else recall a major game developer knocking their own product for a new system?
It also doesn't make much sense that they wouldn't have tested it on normal televisions. My friend who runs a music studio will, after mixing a CD, listen to it on as many different stereos as he can: expensive ones, cheap ones, car stereos, boom boxes, etc. He wants to make sure his product sounds good on asa many systems as possible, and he charges $20/hour. I can't imagine a company as big as Ubisoft wouldn't do the same thing!
GarrettCRW
12-14-2005, 10:15 PM
It also doesn't make much sense that they wouldn't have tested it on normal televisions. My friend who runs a music studio will, after mixing a CD, listen to it on as many different stereos as he can: expensive ones, cheap ones, car stereos, boom boxes, etc. He wants to make sure his product sounds good on asa many systems as possible, and he charges $20/hour. I can't imagine a company as big as Ubisoft wouldn't do the same thing!
Ah, but Flack, you forget the ET principle:
When the game needs to be out now, dammit, don't be shocked if it's completely FUBAR.
orangemage
12-15-2005, 01:14 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_blog_entries.php?board_id=909119209
gamespot thinks it is just with PAL TVs
Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me.
I'll agree with this. The xbox 360 costs MORE than a lot of HDTV's. If you're willing to piss away $500 on a system upgrade, you can damn well afford a new TV too or instead.
That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Just because someone is willing to spend $400 on a console doens't automatically mean they have an additional $400 to spend on a new TV. Also, very few people are willing to spend $800 just to play a new console to it's fullest. I know I wouldn't.
Of course eveyone missed my point. I'm saying why get a HD console when you arn't even HD ready. I'd say enjoy the current crop of games on a HD T.V. untill you can afford the 360. But maybe its just my opinion that I'd much rather havea HD tv rather then a 360 with little game selection. So I'm not saying to through $800 towards the whole kit, just don't put the cart before the horse.
Of course eveyone missed my point. I'm saying why get a HD console when you arn't even HD ready.
Um, because having an HDTV isn't a requirement for using the 360?
Sigh, this is my last time trying. IMO if your going to buy a HD system be shure your ready for it. Ok? No? Fuck it.
njiska
12-15-2005, 01:01 PM
Of course eveyone missed my point. I'm saying why get a HD console when you arn't even HD ready.
Um, because having an HDTV isn't a requirement for using the 360?
Sigh, this is my last time trying. IMO if your going to buy a HD system be shure your ready for it. Ok? No? Fuck it.
In answer to you're question, because the games are still great even in composite (may god eat you and your kind, may your skin be turned orange in hue and your head fall off at an akward moment if you're still using RF).
However HD is well with in the graspe of the normal man and while there's no reason you have to have it, there are a lot of reason's why you should.
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=871375#871375
Bojay1997
12-15-2005, 01:01 PM
The point all of us have been trying to make is that just because the Xbox 360 is HD capable does not necessarily mean that it's an HD-only system. Universal HDTV penetration into homes is still a few years away. Developers need to be aware of this and work within the appropriate confines.
Leo_A
12-15-2005, 02:41 PM
"Why you would have a 360 and not a HD tv is beyond me"
Because not everyone buys a console just to get nice graphics.
meancode
12-15-2005, 04:38 PM
I'll agree with this. The xbox 360 costs MORE than a lot of HDTV's. If you're willing to piss away $500 on a system upgrade, you can damn well afford a new TV too or instead.
Um... huh? $400 for the 360. If you *can* find a HDTV for $400 I seriously recommend that you don't even think about buying it. A "cheap" HDTV is going to run somewhere from $800 to $1000.
meancode
12-15-2005, 04:44 PM
To be honest I think Ubi is being pretty big about it. They did not have to say anything about it.
But I have played Kong on a HDTV and even THERE it was a tad too dark I though. But then there were fluorescent lights all over the place, so maybe not.
But there are a lot of 360 titles that do not look good on a SDTV for reasons other then black levels. More recently I have noticed the sides of the frame on NBA 2K6, Tiger 06, and RR6 are chopped off and nothing has been done to accommodate SD sets. Although you have games like NFS:MW, Kameo, PGR3, Condemned, that will "scale" the HUD to fit SD and HD.
This means there is no reason for games like NBA 2K6, Tiger 06, and RR6 to NOT scale their HUD.
Anthony1
12-15-2005, 05:30 PM
Um... huh? $400 for the 360. If you *can* find a HDTV for $400 I seriously recommend that you don't even think about buying it. A "cheap" HDTV is going to run somewhere from $800 to $1000.
I think I saw a 27 inch Advent 4:3 HDTV on sale for $299.99 at Best Buy recently. I'm not saying that $299.99 is cheap, but it's a lot less than $800 to $1000. Of course, it's an off brand, and it's not widescreen, but still, if you want a lower cost HDTV, they do exist. I also saw a 30 inch widescreen CRT HDTV by some off brand company on sale for $399.99, I'm pretty sure.
In fact, if you want a super, super, super low cost HDTV, they exist as well, you can read all about it in the "hate on Anthony1 thread".
Flack
12-15-2005, 05:40 PM
Ah, but Flack, you forget the ET principle:
When the game needs to be out now, dammit, don't be shocked if it's completely FUBAR.
Right, but when ET came out Atari wasn't apologizing for it. I mean, players knew it sucked, reviewers knew it sucked, but I'm pretty sure Atari didn't admit that it sucked, at least not when it was new. Here you have a company slamming their own release two weeks before Christmas!
meancode
12-15-2005, 05:52 PM
A 4:3 HDTV seems like a bad idea with so many 360 games being made for wide screen. I am currently looking at a 27" ViewSonic for $750. It looks like a great deal. I just don't have the money at the moment.
I just don't think I could trust a HD set for that low a price.
A 4:3 HDTV seems like a bad idea with so many 360 games being made for wide screen. I am currently looking at a 27" ViewSonic for $750. It looks like a great deal. I just don't have the money at the moment.
I just don't think I could trust a HD set for that low a price.
I think it really depends on what your going to be using the t.v. most for. Watching widescreen DVDs and 360 games. Or enjoying the other console systems.
PDorr3
12-15-2005, 07:41 PM
Here is my theory regarding 360s and HDTV's:
Buy a 360 and play it on a normal TV, buy a HDTV a few years down the road when you can afford it and its like playing a NEW next gen system all over again. You will want to replay all of your games just to see the new quality. :)
kainemaxwell
12-17-2005, 03:04 PM
Here is my theory regarding 360s and HDTV's:
Buy a 360 and play it on a normal TV, buy a HDTV a few years down the road when you can afford it and its like playing a NEW next gen system all over again. You will want to replay all of your games just to see the new quality. :)
Amen to that. Be happy with what you have now and able to get/afford at the time.