NPD Game Sale Chart: November 2005

[Xizer]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6141589.html

My description:
Well, we've got the usual depressing, mediocre or shit games up around the top (Madden, this month's wrestling game, another football game - Blitz). You've got your average rehashes on the chart as well (Star Wars Battlefront II, Tony Hawk).

Something new this month, however, is Mario Kart DS, kicking the PSP's competitor, GTA, squarely in the ass. The rest is the usual - some crappy Dragon Ball Z game, and a shitty 50 Cent game that casual gaming gangster wannabes or people trying to be cool buy despite the fact that it sucks massive amounts of ass. (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926686.asp?q=50%20cent) These are your yearly Madden purchasers, and some of your loyal PlayStation fans - I.E. sticking with the same old stuff for years, never trying anything new. I just hate seeing this shit up at the top of the charts every month instead of games like Beyond Good & Evil. I am puzzled how people can buy this crap yearly and never peek outside their little shells and try something new. :/

Opinions? Agree, disagree?

[max 330 mega]

all i can say is im hellaglad to see mario kart wiping the floor with GTA.
also really happy to see mario party 7 make the list too.

[youruglyclone]

Budokai Tenkaichi wasn't that bad...

[VACRMH]

and some of your loyal PlayStation fans - I.E. sticking with the same old stuff for years, never trying anything new.

Are you always on?

Meh, looks like more of the same to me.

[Dobie]

I was kinda shocked to see Super Mario Sunshine still in the top ten for the Cube. Its been at $19.99 for a couple of years now and I still can't bring myself to buy it. :/

Kinda surprised to see Call of Duty 2 for Xbox 360 so high on the list... I know almost everybody with an Xbox 360 so far has bought it, but I would have thought despite that, the sales would be much smaller than most of the popular games for systems like the PS2 with tens of millions of consoles installed already.

[petewhitley]

You idiots realize that GTA debuted in October, right? Thus, it would be expected that Mario Kart charts ahead in November, it's debut month. For chrissakes you'd think you own f*cking stock in Nintendo or something ...

In other news, King Kong is ahead of Star Wars at the box office this month ... x_x

[classicb]

You idiots realize that GTA debuted in October, right? Thus, it would be expected that Mario Kart charts ahead in November, it's debut month. For chrissakes you'd think you own f*cking stock in Nintendo or something ...

In other news, King Kong is ahead of Star Wars at the box office this month ... x_x

which game do you think will sell more by the end of the year?

I don't own any Nintendo stock but since the DS is cheaper plus there is a Mario Kart DS bundle I'd say Mario Kart. I'm not sure why you're so upset

[Xizer]

Oh, and I'd like to note that I said some of your loyal PlayStation fans, before anyone says my comment was trolling. Not all PS fans. The fact is, if you want more of the same, the PS2 is where you'd want to go.

[petewhitley]

which game do you think will sell more by the end of the year?

I don't own any Nintendo stock but since the DS is cheaper plus there is a Mario Kart DS bundle I'd say Mario Kart. I'm not sure why you're so upset

Frankly I could care less which sells more by the end of the year. But I'm sick of the anti-Sony/pro-Nintendo rhetoric on these boards, in that there is just blatant dis-information spread by these Nintendo fanboys. I love classic gaming because it was once popular, cutting edge; I was there and it resonates with me. Not because I think one company is "cooler" or more "oldschool" than another. The games we play today are the classics of tomorrow, a fact alot of these young bucks seem to be ignorant of. See my rant in the "DS vs. PSP Ownage!" thread for my position on what's happening here.

[petewhitley]

Oh, and I'd like to note that I said some of your loyal PlayStation fans. Not all. The fact is, if you want more of the same, the PS2 is where you go.

Of course, since Nintendo just can't stop coming up with new franchises. /end sarcasm

[Xizer]

Sports games that are rehashed yearly are eaten up on the PS2. Madden, for example. Any platformers that are rehashed early are eaten up on the PS2. Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter for example. The majority of franchises on the PS2 consists of sequels.

I know Nintendo puts out a lot of games based on current franchises, but you usually only see one Mario Kart per generation. You only see one Smash Brothers per generation, one Mario platformer, et cetera. Madden is also on the GameCube, but it sells substantially on the PS2. This is not because the PS2 has sold 5 times as many systems. Madden on the PS2 sells well over 5 times as many as it does on the GameCube.

[Leo_A]

So folks, in otherwords sequels are fine if done by Nintendo. If any other company makes a sequel, he'll insult every company involved right down to the fans of the games.

Must be nice to be 15 years old again, I'm sure he'll change a lot in the next few years.

[classicb]

@petewhitley your argument doesn't make sense unless you think at some point GTA is going to outsell Mario Kart.

I'm not on any side here and I'll add that Pokemon has been Nintendo's Madden so to speak for years.

[roushimsx]

Ohh, I can't wait for Blitz to drop in price a bit. It sounds like a lot of fun and I'm sure I could get my friends to play it with me. Don't see why you'd hate on it...

Ratchet looks like it's doing well enough. Going to have to pick that sucker up, too.

I'm happy as hell F.E.A.R. looks like it's actually a success for Monolith. Their previous best selling game was Alien vs Predator 2 and both No One Lives Forever 2 and Tron 2.0 flopped, despite being pure, unfiltered, full on, 100% asskicking awesomeness.

It did make me sad to see that Bratz was the number 2 selling game for GBA the previous month, though. Good lord :(

[GameNinja]

It did make me sad to see that Bratz was the number 2 selling game for GBA the previous month, though. Good lord :(

Yes I cried when I saw that too. Oh well, I am sure some little girl is quite happy playing it right now though. I am actually surprised how all of the GBA games are mostly Nickelodeon/Disney stuff. I would have thought more Nintendo stuff would be on there. Hmm..interesting..I suppose that it is due to the very large userbase of younger children but is SpongeBob really that more appealing than WarioWare? Guess so...

[unwinddesign]

Not surprising; never is. Things with brand names/familiar names sell better than niche items such as Beyond Good and Evil. It's only when a game catches fire like Katamari Damacy that it can break out of its "niche" corner and into the top 10 sales charts through word of mouth. It's kind of like the music industry -- or any other industry, for that matter -- in that there are your typical big players, and then, a few times a year, something unheard of comes down the pike and is suddenly on everyone's mind and wishlist.

[zmweasel]

all i can say is im hellaglad to see mario kart wiping the floor with GTA.
also really happy to see mario party 7 make the list too.

Hooray! The umpteenth sequel in a kart-racing franchise has mildly outsold the umpteenth sequel in a free-roaming action franchise! Hooray!

But I have to stop celebrating for a second and ask: 5th place (Mario Kart DS) over 7th place (Liberty City Stories) is "wiping the floor"?

Also, Liberty City Stories debuted on the charts in 4th place--one place higher than Mario Kart DS's debut. Gasp!! Does one place higher count as "floor-wiping," or does it need to be two?

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

Not surprising; never is. Things with brand names/familiar names sell better than niche items such as Beyond Good and Evil. It's only when a game catches fire like Katamari Damacy that it can break out of its "niche" corner and into the top 10 sales charts through word of mouth. It's kind of like the music industry -- or any other industry, for that matter -- in that there are your typical big players, and then, a few times a year, something unheard of comes down the pike and is suddenly on everyone's mind and wishlist.

Unless I missed the chart for that month, Katamari Damacy never placed on the NPD top ten for the PS2, let alone all platforms. It had sold roughly 270,000 copies in North America as of September '05, helped in no small part by the $20 price point. That's a great number for a critical/hardcore hit, but it's not industry-altering by any means.

We Love Katamari didn't make the top ten, either.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

@petewhitley your argument doesn't make sense unless you think at some point GTA is going to outsell Mario Kart.

As of the end of November, Liberty City Stories *has* outsold Mario Kart DS. Which game ends up with more unit sales when both have run their retail course remains to be seen.

-- Z.

[classicb]

@petewhitley your argument doesn't make sense unless you think at some point GTA is going to outsell Mario Kart.

As of the end of November, Liberty City Stories *has* outsold Mario Kart DS. Which game ends up with more unit sales when both have run their retail course remains to be seen.

-- Z.

thank you captain obvious

[zmweasel]

@petewhitley your argument doesn't make sense unless you think at some point GTA is going to outsell Mario Kart.

As of the end of November, Liberty City Stories *has* outsold Mario Kart DS. Which game ends up with more unit sales when both have run their retail course remains to be seen.

-- Z.

thank you captain obvious

Just pointing out that Pete's argument does make sense, and that "at some point," LCS *has* outsold MKDS. And it should certainly remain in the lead through the end of the year.

Cool your ad hominem jets.

-- Z.

[classicb]

Just pointing out that Pete's argument does make sense, and that "at some point," LCS *has* outsold MKDS. And it should certainly remain in the lead through the end of the year.

Cool your ad hominem jets.

-- Z.

"i get it" but thanks for making sure

[zmweasel]

Just pointing out that Pete's argument does make sense, and that "at some point," LCS *has* outsold MKDS. And it should certainly remain in the lead through the end of the year.

Cool your ad hominem jets.

-- Z.

"i get it" but thanks for making sure

Quick Q: why is "I get it" in quotation marks?

-- Z.

[JJNova]

Just because I am an asshole, I would like to point out that Gamespot apparently didn't update, as NPD Funworld posted incorrect information on their site, then had it pulled and replaced with the correct information. On the 'corrected' list, GTA Liberty City Stories held the number 7 position, and Mario Kart DS the number 10 position.

November Top 25 Software Sales

US Top 25 Videogame Titles
Rank Title Publisher

Rank Title Publisher
1 XBX STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT II LucasArts
2 PS2 STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT II LucasArts
3 360 CALL OF DUTY 2 Activision
4 PS2 MADDEN NFL 06 Electronic Arts
5 PS2 WWE SMACKDOWN VS RAW 2 THQ
6 360 MADDEN NFL 06 Electronic Arts
7 PSP GTA: LIBERTY CITY STORIES Take 2 Interactive
8 PS2 TONY HAWK AMERICAN WASTELAND Activision
9 GCN MARIO PARTY 7 Nintendo
10 NDS MARIO KART Nintendo
11 PS2 50 CENT: BULLETPROOF Vivendi
12 PS2 CALL OF DUTY 2: BIG RED ONE Activision
13 360 NEED FOR SPEED: MOST WANTED Electronic Arts
14 PS2 SOUL CALIBUR III Namco
15 PS2 DRAGON BALL Z: BUDOKAI TENK Atari
16 PS2 NBA LIVE 06 Electronic Arts
17 PS2 BLITZ: THE LEAGUE Midway
18 PS2 NEED FOR SPEED: MOST WANTED Electronic Arts
19 PS2 RATCHET: DEADLOCKED Sony
20 PSP STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT II LucasArts
21 360 PERFECT DARK ZERO LTD ED Microsoft
22 PS2 SOCOM 3: US NAVY SEALS Sony
23 PS2 GUN Activision
24 PS2 THE MATRIX: PATH OF NEO Atari
25 XBX CALL OF DUTY 2: BIG RED ONE Activision

And as interesting as all that sounds, you also have to remember the note that comes at the bottom of NPD posting.



Note: Ranked in terms of $$$ sales.

So maybe Mario Kart did outsell GTA, but remember that you are comparing a 35 USD price tage to a 50 USD price tag. So in short...

500,000 MKDS = 350,000 GTA

If they sold the same amount of copies, then GTA would come out ahead in terms of gross revenue.

[stressboy]

Oh, and I'd like to note that I said some of your loyal PlayStation fans, before anyone says my comment was trolling. Not all PS fans. The fact is, if you want more of the same, the PS2 is where you'd want to go.

Yeah I know the PS2 is just like a giant vortex that sucks in all the "more of the same" titles and the new and original stuff never has a chance.

Aren't you the one that said he was banned from Gamefaqs?

[Griking]

Frankly I could care less which sells more by the end of the year. But I'm sick of the anti-Sony/pro-Nintendo rhetoric on these boards, in that there is just blatant dis-information spread by these Nintendo fanboys.


Actually the Anti-Nintendo/Pro-Sony people can be quite annoying as well. ;)

[Biff_McFresh]

Actually the Anti-Nintendo/Pro-Sony people can be quite annoying as well. ;)

Indeed, all shapes and forms are annoying. Can't we all coexist in harmony?

[goatdan]

Sports games that are rehashed yearly are eaten up on the PS2. Madden, for example. Any platformers that are rehashed early are eaten up on the PS2. Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter for example. The majority of franchises on the PS2 consists of sequels.

Mario hasn't been rehashed 20 times? There might be more than one Ratchet and Clank, but it is a new game series for the PS2. The first Super Mario Brothers had three sequels on one console. Mario Party has had how many sequels so far? 7. Over two systems. Four on the GameCube, and three on the N64. If I'm not mistaken, it's been one a year.

And there are also franchises that aren't rehashed on the same hardware too often. Metal Gear Solid has had two installments on the PS2, but it is already being looked at as a great PS3 game. So...

Your point is what? That you don't like Playstation?


I know Nintendo puts out a lot of games based on current franchises, but you usually only see one Mario Kart per generation. You only see one Smash Brothers per generation, one Mario platformer, et cetera. Madden is also on the GameCube, but it sells substantially on the PS2. This is not because the PS2 has sold 5 times as many systems. Madden on the PS2 sells well over 5 times as many as it does on the GameCube.

What's wrong with Madden? Nothing. It's a football game. If you want to play a football game, it's now your only choice.

And believe it or not, the GameCube is for the most part a *kiddie* system. Yes, sorry everyone, but there is a ton of kids who own the thing. Maybe because it's cute. Maybe because the games have nice, cute graphics. Maybe because Grand Theft Auto isn't on it. But it's a kid's system that happens to have a few adult games on it.

And you know what? Six year olds, in general, don't care about football as much as 25 year olds do. So if you are an older gamer and you want a football game, it only makes sense that you will be buying it for your PS2 or Xbox and not your kid's GameCube.


But I have to stop celebrating for a second and ask: 5th place (Mario Kart DS) over 7th place (Liberty City Stories) is "wiping the floor"?

Also, Liberty City Stories debuted on the charts in 4th place--one place higher than Mario Kart DS's debut. Gasp!! Does one place higher count as "floor-wiping," or does it need to be two?

I was really wondering the same thing. It could be argued that it is a better showing for the DS because there is more software that people are wanting for it and the people that bought the PSP did so because they knew GTA:LCS would be awesome... but that means that Sony sold an assload of hardware based on one game, while it took Nintendo a lot more to get that far. What will happen when Sony starts cranking out the quality releases?

It's the same as the killer app argument that I hate. Making a really good type of game won't mean that the last really good type of game that was like it is forgotten. When they were making Headhunter for the Dreamcast, it was often hailed as the "Metal Gear Solid killer." What's the point? Metal Gear Solid is going to be a damn good game, and even if Headhunter came out with as much fanfare, people wouldn't play it and decide that Metal Gear Solid sucked suddenly.

Mario Kart beating Grand Theft Auto in the sales charts is about as useful as noting that the sales of Disney Princess for the Game Boy Advance being number one was a huge blow to Pokemon Emarld, as Princess was released in 03. But it is also now only $12.00.

Apples? Meet oranges.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

So...you guys must all be stockholders, right?

[Joker T]

At least Soul Calibur 3 is selling :)

[max 330 mega]

all i can say is im hellaglad to see mario kart wiping the floor with GTA.
also really happy to see mario party 7 make the list too.

Hooray! The umpteenth sequel in a kart-racing franchise has mildly outsold the umpteenth sequel in a free-roaming action franchise! Hooray!

But I have to stop celebrating for a second and ask: 5th place (Mario Kart DS) over 7th place (Liberty City Stories) is "wiping the floor"?

Also, Liberty City Stories debuted on the charts in 4th place--one place higher than Mario Kart DS's debut. Gasp!! Does one place higher count as "floor-wiping," or does it need to be two?

-- Z.
needs to be two.

[Xizer]

Six year olds, in general, don't care about football as much as 25 year olds do.

Oh please. EVERY 6 year old boy wants to grow up to be the world's next football super star. It's beginning at this age that every little boy plasters up a bunch of football posters in their room.

[Tanis178]

reading this thread makes me think that christmas stress is really getting to some people, how about a little love for your fellow man/woman? i think it's time for a "trash each other because i've got nothing better to do at x-mas" forum :deadhorse:

[Arcade Antics]

Opinions? Agree, disagree?
Since you asked for it...

Who cares? Buy and play what you like, the end.

[zmweasel]

needs to be two.

And could you explain how you came to define "wiping the floor" as two places higher in terms of unit sales on a since-corrected list that ranks Liberty City Stories *three* places higher in terms of money, which is what everyone involved cares about?

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

So...you guys must all be stockholders, right?

There seems to be plenty of room on Digital Press to discuss all aspects of the video game hobby, including the unavoidably important financial aspects of such: best-sellers, price points, et cetera. Why disparage the people who wish to engage in such conversations?

We might not be stockholders, but as gamers, our hobby and our gaming choices are most certainly affected by what's selling and what isn't. Why don't you consider that subject worthy of discussion?

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

Six year olds, in general, don't care about football as much as 25 year olds do.

Oh please. EVERY 6 year old boy wants to grow up to be the world's next football super star. It's beginning at this age that every little boy plasters up a bunch of football posters in their room.

Purely anecdotal, mind you, but I've never seen a poster of a football, or of a football player, in the room of a pre-teen boy. Must be a red-state thing.

-- Z.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

Why don't you consider that subject worthy of discussion?
Oh, it's worthy of discussion. So answer me this: why does it seem like it frequently turns into a mudslinging match?

[zmweasel]

Oh, it's worthy of discussion. So answer me this: why does it seem like it frequently turns into a mudslinging match?

Because too many gamers have attached their egos, if not their stock portfolios, to their consoles. But it's been that way since the days of the Atari 2600 and the Mattel Intellivision, and the Plimpton-starring TV commercials that started us down the long, ugly road to today's rabid Internet fanboyism.

Is "max 330 mega" tweaked because I'm asking him to better define why he feels that Mario Kart DS is "wiping the floor" with Liberty City Stories? (A difference of "two places" is quite arbitrary, not to mention that one game could be two places ahead of another if it had sold two more or two *million* more copies.) I don't know, but I hope he's not. I'm not attacking the individual, just questioning his ideas.

-- Z.

[icbrkr]

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

[Mr.FoodMonster]

Sports games that are rehashed yearly are eaten up on the PS2. Madden, for example. Any platformers that are rehashed early are eaten up on the PS2. Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter for example. The majority of franchises on the PS2 consists of sequels.

I know Nintendo puts out a lot of games based on current franchises, but you usually only see one Mario Kart per generation. You only see one Smash Brothers per generation, one Mario platformer, et cetera. Madden is also on the GameCube, but it sells substantially on the PS2. This is not because the PS2 has sold 5 times as many systems. Madden on the PS2 sells well over 5 times as many as it does on the GameCube.

I'm sorry, but just about everything you've said here, and in this thread, is just plain stupidity. A 'Franchise' is a series of something. You cant call Beyond Good and Evil a 'Franchise' because there is only one of them (now). So, I'd be pretty damned hard to have a franchise of only one game. And, you're totally wrong, the reason there are so many more sales of Madden on PS2 is because there are millions more of them then GC's. I'm not trying to defent madden gamers, because I cant stand sports games, but you seriously need to stop being such a damned fanboy and look at the cold hard facts with an unbiased opinion.

Besides, sales lists dont matter anyways. Most people are sheep and play simply what they see hundreds of ads for. See - that 50 Cent game.

[max 330 mega]

Oh, it's worthy of discussion. So answer me this: why does it seem like it frequently turns into a mudslinging match?

Because too many gamers have attached their egos, if not their stock portfolios, to their consoles. But it's been that way since the days of the Atari 2600 and the Mattel Intellivision, and the Plimpton-starring TV commercials that started us down the long, ugly road to today's rabid Internet fanboyism.

Is "max 330 mega" tweaked because I'm asking him to better define why he feels that Mario Kart DS is "wiping the floor" with Liberty City Stories? (A difference of "two places" is quite arbitrary, not to mention that one game could be two places ahead of another if it had sold two more or two *million* more copies.) I don't know, but I hope he's not. I'm not attacking the individual, just questioning his ideas.

-- Z.
no believe me, Im definitely not someone to get upset when someone disagrees with me, you can call me whatever youd like, i enjoy it, you wont ever find me offended, its cool.
i, by most peoples terms would be a nintendo fanboy. and its not particularly that i try to be either, its just that the only games that hold my attention anymore seem to all be released on gamecube and DS and thats not even to say that i blindly love every game nintendo churns out, in fact i will say right out that ive never enjoyed a zelda or a metroid game.
wiping the floor probably isnt the most accurate term, in fact i was just overjoyed to see the DS out doing the PSP in sales, because i definitely root for nintendo, seeing as how i already stated, they seem to be the only company that release the simple and fun kind of games i like to play. im gonna stay devoted to nintendo until the day they close their doors, which i hope is no time soon, because the day nintendo stops producing consoles will be the day i stop playing current generation systems. if theres no new sega system, and no new nintendo system, and DEFINITELY no new SNK system, well then there are no games left for me to play in the current gen.
so lets see... biased? yea id say so.

[Xizer]

Sports games that are rehashed yearly are eaten up on the PS2. Madden, for example. Any platformers that are rehashed early are eaten up on the PS2. Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter for example. The majority of franchises on the PS2 consists of sequels.

I know Nintendo puts out a lot of games based on current franchises, but you usually only see one Mario Kart per generation. You only see one Smash Brothers per generation, one Mario platformer, et cetera. Madden is also on the GameCube, but it sells substantially on the PS2. This is not because the PS2 has sold 5 times as many systems. Madden on the PS2 sells well over 5 times as many as it does on the GameCube.

I'm sorry, but just about everything you've said here, and in this thread, is just plain stupidity. A 'Franchise' is a series of something. You cant call Beyond Good and Evil a 'Franchise' because there is only one of them (now). So, I'd be pretty damned hard to have a franchise of only one game. And, you're totally wrong, the reason there are so many more sales of Madden on PS2 is because there are millions more of them then GC's. I'm not trying to defent madden gamers, because I cant stand sports games, but you seriously need to stop being such a damned fanboy and look at the cold hard facts with an unbiased opinion.

Besides, sales lists dont matter anyways. Most people are sheep and play simply what they see hundreds of ads for. See - that 50 Cent game.

Please read my post and try again. I said none of these things.

[GarrettCRW]

It never ceases to amaze me just how much of a penis-waving contest these sales threads become, especially when the results are so utterly predictable.

[zmweasel]

Besides, sales lists dont matter anyways. Most people are sheep and play simply what they see hundreds of ads for. See - that 50 Cent game.

It's not ads that are selling 50 Cent: Bulletproof, or "sheep" that are buying it. It's that Fiddy is a hot property with a huge fanbase. People are buying Bulletproof for the same reason they buy any tie-in game--they want more of whatever property is being represented. It's fandom, not sheepdom.

As for this month's NPD list, most of the top 25 games are good or great. Bulletproof is the only turd on the chart.

-- Z.

[lendelin]

These sales charts are very important for us gamers because they decide (and therefore we gamers) what will be offered, and in which genres and franchises developers and publishers invest the most money.

...and I agree with zmweasel about fandom, Xizer. I never understood how in the world gamers can praise Mario Kart hopping on the Nintendo PR-waggon of innovation, while condemning Madden as a repetitious, non-creative business model of milking franchises. When we get the various Mario sports games since the SNES and N64 times, there is as much or less innovation as there is in Madden.

I also heavily dislike the belittling of gamers. Gamers are gamers, and they find their fun in a Madden or a Stretch Panic. I have no probs with evaluating game quality of different games, but when it comes to the elitist "bad tastes" of the mainstream and the great tastes of us hardcorers (even maybe associated with genres), I have big problems.

I think that the majority of great games overall sold well, in the past and today. The NPD chart is an indicator of it. In most cases, I as a videogame nut who knows a bit about game history stands right there with casual gamers buying and playing the same games. I have difficulties drawing a separation line between 'us' and 'them.'

No true surprises about the sales chart. Sports and FPSs sell well. Also no surprise that Madden sold poorly on the GC, behind even the three year old Super Mario Sunshine! It suggests that there is indeed a different demographic behind the GC than on the other two systems. There was a reason that the NFL2K franchise was pulled off the GC already three years ago.

About simplistic reading of sales charts: first we don't know the actual sales numbers, second GTA for the PSP was one month earlier released than Mario Kart DS, third there is a big difference of the retail price.

Armchair evaluations about game quality, tastes, game design of the future and the economic performance of systems looking at sales charts are not enough.

[devilman]

Mario Party has had how many sequels so far? 7. Over two systems. Four on the GameCube, and three on the N64. If I'm not mistaken, it's been one a year.


Just to be picky - that would be six sequels, not seven. ;)

[Cmtz]

You idiots realize that GTA debuted in October, right? Thus, it would be expected that Mario Kart charts ahead in November, it's debut month. For chrissakes you'd think you own f*cking stock in Nintendo or something ...

In other news, King Kong is ahead of Star Wars at the box office this month ... x_x

Do you realize that your a FUCKING SONY FANBOY.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

Quite enough.

http://www.thelogbook.com/wishlist/robots2.gif

You boys need to learn to exhibit some restraint when discussing this topic, or learn to avoid it altogether.