View Full Version : Mario Kart DS: Is snaking cheating?
Many people snake to get to be the first one, but is it cheating. I think it's a skill that is developed and if you can do it them good for you and you deserve to continue doing it.
SamuraiSmurfette
12-29-2005, 09:20 AM
"snaking"??
:hmm:
Lothars
12-29-2005, 09:23 AM
Well I don't think it's exactly cheating beacuse it is a skill that is in the game but I do think there's a time when it can be overused
especially because when i was playing I went against a guy and the first race no body snaked than after that race he started snaking
I try to keep my snaking to a minium so I do think that it creates an unfair adavantage but it should ba allowed as well.
so i dunno.
max 330 mega
12-29-2005, 10:01 AM
i kind of just choose to completely ignore it..
i can win 90% of races when im playing against people who do not snake.
when im playing against someone who does, 99% of the time i take second place (in a 4 person race) and i just chalk it up in my mind as a victory for me, because the people who snake are impossible to win against.
its kinda like when you play certain fighting games who's last boss is totally impossible to beat (matrimelee) and everytime you play it you just think of making it to the last boss as actually beating the game.
i wish snaking wasnt part of the game, i feel it makes it less fun for other competitors.
XianXi
12-29-2005, 10:08 AM
"snaking"??
:hmm:
Please clarify what "snaking" is or is it "drifting" or "powersliding" you are referring to?
"snaking"??
:hmm:
Please clarify what "snaking" is or is it "drifting" or "powersliding" you are referring to?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4422514278785769760&q=%22Mario+Kart+DS+Snaking+School%22+playable%3Atr ue
Mayhem
12-29-2005, 10:55 AM
Well even some of the staff ghosts do it... it's annoying but quite "legal".
NE146
12-29-2005, 11:12 AM
"snaking"??
:hmm:
Please clarify what "snaking" is or is it "drifting" or "powersliding" you are referring to?
Snaking is continually doing short powerslides (even down straightaways) and quickly getting a mini turbo boost in the process to the point where you're almost constantly turbo-ing.
YES! I hate when people do it online! It's not a skill, everybody can do it if they want it but must of the people know how lame it is.
XianXi
12-29-2005, 11:29 AM
It's not cheating, it's a skill that you need to develop with practice like everything else. I always used to do that with Mariokart and MK64 all the time. Going side to side in the drift world is reffered to as "Dori-Dori" but that a whole other story.
But no. It is not cheating. If you need to punch in a code or use a game enhancing device to do it then it is, if not it is legal.
s1lence
12-29-2005, 01:18 PM
Its like using the Noob combo in Halo 2, its annoying but I dont consider it cheating. I just wish I could do it more affectively.
dcescott
12-29-2005, 01:29 PM
I snake on turns, esp on the u turns. It's more fluid. Racing online against the constant snakers, I'd say pick a difficult course:
Delfino Square
Rainbow Road
Wario Stadium
DK pass and the other ice stage
There's room to snake, but not much. Your opponent has to be good if they can snake through a turn heavy course.
Stay away from the circuits
Luigi's circuit is wide open for huge snake patterns.
intvsama
12-29-2005, 01:37 PM
Many people snake to get to be the first one, but is it cheating. I think it's a skill that is developed and if you can do it them good for you and you deserve to continue doing it.
Is using patterns in Pac-Man cheating? Is using the Noob combo in Halo 2 cheating? For that matter, is sniping someone in Halo 2 cheating? No, they're part of the game, programmed in there. It takes skill to be able to pull these feats off, and lots of time is spent perfecting these skills.
If Nintendo didn't want snaking they would have created a block-out time between powerslides where you couldn't go into another powerslide.
jcheatle
12-29-2005, 02:03 PM
I don't have the game or a DS, but my friend does. From what I've heard, it doesn't sound like cheating, just incredibly lame.
Yeah, it's playing within the established game rules, but to me, it's like using the same "money plays" on Madden every year from 92 until today. Every version has them. Or when we used to play MK2 back in the day, and one guy would just cheese the hell out of somebody in the corner. Lame.
cyberfluxor
12-29-2005, 06:03 PM
Lets all stand up and call it CHEESING. Ya, you cheeser!
Balloon Fight
12-29-2005, 06:27 PM
Definitely not cheating. How could doing something that is put in the game where everyone can do it and requires skill in the process be cheating? Snaking gives mario kart depth.
Joker T
12-29-2005, 08:37 PM
I think that this is in the manual. It can't be cheating.
Jumpman Jr.
12-29-2005, 08:54 PM
I didn't know what it was until I saw that movie that was posted, but I couldn't imagine thinking that that would be cheating. Its just using a strategy to make yourself go faster. Anybody can do it if they're good enough.
XianXi
12-29-2005, 09:51 PM
No offense to anyone with the following statement:
If you call it cheating, obviously you got your ass handed to you. Go and practice if you want to beat the "snakers", just as they did when they got their ass handed to them.
GameNinja
12-29-2005, 10:02 PM
I can't say it is cheating, but I still don't particularily like it. Maybe because I can't to it very well and end up getting beat by the snakers..... :(
mhuntley
12-29-2005, 11:32 PM
I do not think it is cheating I think it is a skill that should be used.
SamuraiSmurfette
12-30-2005, 09:59 AM
Thanks for the video CMTZ. I'd say that's skill, not cheating. I used to be able to do that all through Crash Team Racing (would lap the A.I.). Too bad that one wasn't online...you'd all be schooled by me ;)
Biff_McFresh
12-30-2005, 10:17 AM
A flaw, serious flaw, in the game design (IMO)
XianXi
12-30-2005, 10:28 AM
After reading this thread I am seriously debating to get a DS just to play it.
NE146
12-30-2005, 10:28 AM
A flaw, serious flaw, in the game design (IMO)
Well again, as dcescott mentioned, don't choose the "circuits" and just try choosing a course where you can't really do it. i.e. Rainbow Road, Delfino Square, etc. In many courses about the only place you can do a slide boost is on a turn.
XianXi
12-30-2005, 10:30 AM
Also I just realized that I used to "snake" playing burnout 2 to build my boost meter all the time. It's far from cheating.
Biff_McFresh
12-30-2005, 11:24 AM
A flaw, serious flaw, in the game design (IMO)
Well again, as dcescott mentioned, don't choose the "circuits" and just try choosing a course where you can't really do it. i.e. Rainbow Road, Delfino Square, etc. In many courses about the only place you can do a slide boost is on a turn.
I just think they should of somehow programmed in a delay between when you boost to when you can perform one again (like someone else mentioned).
I always dug the powersliding and boosting around corners and turns, as it was fun to do, and provided a boost (which I thought was a nice incentive, as it always seemed easier to just go about the turn in a normal way, and not powersliding). Constantly doing it on straightaways though, ouch, what a shame. I wouldn't call it cheating, I just don't understand why it's possible in the game to begin with.
Rikimaru
12-31-2005, 12:16 AM
Nah.
Richter Belmount
12-31-2005, 12:52 AM
its not cheating its a skill since you can do it, makes it much more competive.
Poofta!
12-31-2005, 03:13 AM
its not cheating, its just being lame/cheese. when a group of friends gets together to play at home, you never really see cheese tactics, cause everyone is out to have a good time and cares about their company.
online however, people are generally assholes, playing with strangers brings that out.
Richter Belmount
12-31-2005, 03:30 AM
atleast the mario kart community is not as bad as the halo community noone can really ruin your game with no talking and all.
online gaming generally has cheesers in every single game. Thats why i just like meeting cool people that play fair and adding them to my list to play with again.
But the chat "limitation" kinda plagues Mario Kart DS. If you could just scream at the built in mic and the little kid on the other end would hear you it would relieve so much of your stress lol.'
AKay
Chuplayer
01-03-2006, 11:04 PM
Snaking is just plain cheesing. I seriously regret getting Mario Kart DS now because of it. It's not cheating, but it's definitely taking advantage of a flaw in the game.
Griking
01-04-2006, 09:31 AM
Throw me into the group of people who considers it a skill to learn and master and not a cheat. Its not like your using a cheat cose or something. It doesn't even appear to be a bug, rather something purposely designed into the game.
If you don't like getting your ass handed to yourself every time you play the game then stop complaining about it and do something about it. practice this skill and use it yourself. Why purposely handicap yourself? Would you play defender and not use smart bombs because you felt they were lame?
Hammy
01-04-2006, 04:59 PM
if it's in the game it's either a game bug or a game feature. nobody is forcing you to play online against the people using that 'tactic', so if you don't like the way other people play it, don't play it, as someone said, if someone was on an arcade fighting game, and used the same move all the time to beat you, you either walk off or try and find a way to defeat it. unfortunatly if there is no way to effectivly beat it, either just play it for the fun of it, or stay out of it and don't bother and play on your own.
that was a good video tho will help me on single player to unlock the stuff slightly quicker ;)
davepesc
01-04-2006, 06:15 PM
I'll call it a game flaw, but not cheating.
To me, a racing game should be about taking the right angles through turns, drafting and boxing out, not fishtailing through straightaways, but whatever works for you.
izret101
01-04-2006, 08:03 PM
Its like using the Noob combo in Halo 2, its annoying but I dont consider it cheating. I just wish I could do it more affectively.
My thoughts exactly.
Saying that it involves no skill makes no sense because there is obviously some form of skill used in order to pull it off.
The people who complain about things like this should just do it themselves.
If your playing someone who snakes then you do it as well.
If you and your opponant are both doing it it would in effect cancel out any bonus speed he/she would be getting.
Unless of course you can't pull it off. Then that just proves that the person is more skilled.
Just my 2 cents.
Chuplayer
01-04-2006, 08:04 PM
I'll call it a game flaw, but not cheating.
To me, a racing game should be about taking the right angles through turns, drafting and boxing out, not fishtailing through straightaways, but whatever works for you.
Right on, brother.
But there's something else that breaks multiplayer gameplay, too. You can see what items everybody else has! WTF? It should be a mystery! Last night I was playing online, and we both had red shells. Neither one of us wanted to take the lead, and by the end of the track, neither of us wanted to get too close to the finish line because we knew the other one would shoot us right before the end and pass us. We spent nearly three minutes going in reverse! Luckily, this was Wario Stadium, with the on-ground boost right before the finish line. I had to fake the other guy out. I did a short reverse. He kept on going backward. I took that opportunity to put it in drive and raced off toward the booster. I let myself get hit right before the booster because I knew he wouldn't be able to overtake me if I got boosted immediately after regaining control. So, I won, but it was a cheese victory. It was one that would have never happened if we didn't know what items the other guy had.
MKDS multiplayer is broken. Plain and simple. And snaking sucks, too.
Rikimaru
01-05-2006, 12:01 PM
If you think it's a cheat or cheat tactics, do this. Go in to the time trial mode and select the ghost car that the staff members have programmed. Select their racer and appropriate car and see if you can beat the race without Sup3rSn4king. Now do you think the programmers saw this 'flaw' and decided to release the game anyway? I don't think so.
FantasiaWHT
01-05-2006, 12:22 PM
A flaw, serious flaw, in the game design (IMO)
I agree. Not cheating, but it would be a better game without it.
Balloon Fight
01-05-2006, 07:33 PM
A flaw, serious flaw, in the game design (IMO)
The biggest flaw in the game is how the people who can't drive at all and fall into last place constantly can get any crazy weapon ever, but the person who knows how to drive gets green shells, bananas, and the dumb fake box. In 1v1 games online, you can just keep a steady pace behind the guy in first place and hold a blue shell or a star or whatever you get, then right before the end you activate it and win.
Chuplayer
01-05-2006, 08:44 PM
A flaw, serious flaw, in the game design (IMO)
The biggest flaw in the game is how the people who can't drive at all and fall into last place constantly can get any crazy weapon ever, but the person who knows how to drive gets green shells, bananas, and the dumb fake box. In 1v1 games online, you can just keep a steady pace behind the guy in first place and hold a blue shell or a star or whatever you get, then right before the end you activate it and win.
(assuming you don't have the blue or red shell) Or you can fiddle with the second-place racer and move in reverse near the end of the race and never have a real end to the race. It'll be whoever gets tired of playing around first. It's happened to me twice. I blame it on being able to see what items your opponents have. That's just stupid.
I'm real disappointed in Mario Kart DS's online gameplay. Very much so. It's broken as hell.
Being able to almost constantly powerslide was very prominent in Mario Kart 64. I don't think the devs would leave constant powersliding in after 8 years if it was considered cheating.
It has been mentioned already, but what is really unfair about the Mario Kart games is how the players in last place get constant stars, etc. However, the primary goal of this game is accessibility to the lowest common denominator and "fun", not hardcore MKDS money tournaments (where the unbalanced item distribution feature mentioned above would certainly be exploited by expert players anyway).
Imagine this game without any powersliding at all? There would be much less to differentiate the good players from the bad. A race full of good players would be pretty boring as everyone would simply hold down a single button the whole time, hoping for the random item that will give them the lead.
NE146
01-06-2006, 12:45 AM
I'll call it a game flaw, but not cheating.
To me, a racing game should be about taking the right angles through turns, drafting and boxing out, not fishtailing through straightaways, but whatever works for you.
Right on, brother.
But there's something else that breaks multiplayer gameplay, too. You can see what items everybody else has! WTF? It should be a mystery! Last night I was playing online, and we both had red shells. Neither one of us wanted to take the lead, and by the end of the track, neither of us wanted to get too close to the finish line because we knew the other one would shoot us right before the end and pass us. We spent nearly three minutes going in reverse! Luckily, this was Wario Stadium, with the on-ground boost right before the finish line. I had to fake the other guy out. I did a short reverse. He kept on going backward. I took that opportunity to put it in drive and raced off toward the booster. I let myself get hit right before the booster because I knew he wouldn't be able to overtake me if I got boosted immediately after regaining control. So, I won, but it was a cheese victory. It was one that would have never happened if we didn't know what items the other guy had.
MKDS multiplayer is broken. Plain and simple. And snaking sucks, too.
In Mario Kart DS, if you shoot the guy with the red shell, doesn't it knock off his item?
zerohero
01-06-2006, 02:13 AM
I just noticed this "snaking" trick last night. I was racing against a guy we where going down the strait way, same charcter but he was somehow going faster than I was. I did a few drafting slids, but still could not catch up. I knew something was up so I seached online, and I got lucky and checked here.
I don't think it's cheating. It's just like in the 1st Mortal Kombat when you use the sweep kick over, and over, and over till you win. It's in the game, it's cheap, but its not cheating.
I'm gonna learn it tomarrow myself. I use the draft power slid all the time, snaking will only make me better.
NOTE: Even though I didn't snake, I still won the race ;) That should tell you guys a few things, and thats with out any power ups either.
FantasiaWHT
01-06-2006, 10:05 AM
Imagine this game without any powersliding at all? There would be much less to differentiate the good players from the bad. A race full of good players would be pretty boring as everyone would simply hold down a single button the whole time, hoping for the random item that will give them the lead.
The good players would be the ones who knew the best line around the racecourse for their cart. Frankly I'd rather have it that way.
XianXi
01-06-2006, 10:37 AM
I'll call it a game flaw, but not cheating.
To me, a racing game should be about taking the right angles through turns, drafting and boxing out, not fishtailing through straightaways, but whatever works for you.
This mariokart dude, I dont think there is turtle shell is real racing either.
Chuplayer
01-06-2006, 09:51 PM
I'll call it a game flaw, but not cheating.
To me, a racing game should be about taking the right angles through turns, drafting and boxing out, not fishtailing through straightaways, but whatever works for you.
Right on, brother.
But there's something else that breaks multiplayer gameplay, too. You can see what items everybody else has! WTF? It should be a mystery! Last night I was playing online, and we both had red shells. Neither one of us wanted to take the lead, and by the end of the track, neither of us wanted to get too close to the finish line because we knew the other one would shoot us right before the end and pass us. We spent nearly three minutes going in reverse! Luckily, this was Wario Stadium, with the on-ground boost right before the finish line. I had to fake the other guy out. I did a short reverse. He kept on going backward. I took that opportunity to put it in drive and raced off toward the booster. I let myself get hit right before the booster because I knew he wouldn't be able to overtake me if I got boosted immediately after regaining control. So, I won, but it was a cheese victory. It was one that would have never happened if we didn't know what items the other guy had.
MKDS multiplayer is broken. Plain and simple. And snaking sucks, too.
In Mario Kart DS, if you shoot the guy with the red shell, doesn't it knock off his item?
You might be right. I'm not totally sure, but you might be right. And that's another problem I have with MKDS. It's too easy to lose your items. It wasn't that way in MK64.
But that still leaves you in a ridiculous position at the end of the race. It's just plain stupid.
Nesmaster
01-06-2006, 10:41 PM
Red shell doesn't cause you to lose your item, the blue shell does though. I think bananas and Bob-ombs also makes you lose items though, although I'm not 100% on those two.
By the way, I don't think snaking is cheating, as I can sorta do it, but I wish it weren't part of the game.