Genesis Blockbuster World Video Game Championships II *SOLD

[The_4th_Survivor]

Okay, I'm going to try and cut back on my 'classic' collection just a bit, so this is probably the first huge thing that I'm willing to sell here on DP.

Last December, I had my buddy list my auction for the Blockbuster Cart.

It never even broke the reserve price, so I'm just going to call it quits for an Ebay listing of this again and sell it to someone directly here. The strange part of the auction was that the seller of the previous Blockbuster World Genesis Cart in November was the high bidder for my auction. Hmmmm..... :roll:


My minimum asking price for this is definitely the $1350.00 mark, considering that there is a certain party who is interested in buying this piece for that price.

If you're interested, shoot me a PM. I'll respond as soon as I can.

EDIT:

I've just received an email from a private collector (who wishes to remain anonymous) that they have bought a copy of this cart from another private collector for $2500.00.

As it stands, I probably will not sell this cart for $1350.00 since it's now officially worth $2500.00, especially to the collector who paid that much for it.

[Bleetness]

Wow! That game is worth that much?

[NiNtEnDoNuT1983]

Yeah!! it is But i would only Spend that much and some for a NWC Cart for the nes.. :D

[The_4th_Survivor]

Wow! That game is worth that much?

It sure is. Especially to the party who is interested in buying it for $1350.00.

[Poofta!]

items are only worth what people are whilling to pay. and having it on ebay not even break reserve proves that to most, it isnt.

[attilathehun]

Wow! That game is worth that much?

It sure is. Especially to the party who is interested in buying it for $1350.00.So basically it would be worth me to play Judge Dread and NBA JAM TE for over $1300.00? Thank God I already have those games for like $5-$10 each back in the 90's.

Sorry I hate to come off as a troll. If that's blue book it's total rape.

Fortunately you didn't pay anything near that for it.

Goodluck. I think you can still make a profit on ebay but you gonna have to drop it down quite a bit more.

[The_4th_Survivor]

So basically it would be worth me to play Judge Dread and NBA JAM TE for over $1300.00? Thank God I already have those games for like $5-$10 each back in the 90's.

Well, just like the Nintendo World Championships in 1990, which featured specially programmed and custom made cartridges, these versions of "Judge Dredd" & "NBA Jam T.E." are exclusive competition versions which are only found on this cartridge.

There are exclusive character, logo and item sprites that are present in this cartridge that were never present in the commercially released versions.



Sorry I hate to come off as a troll.

Not to worry. You're not coming off as a 'troll', you're just voicing your opinion, which is fine. Agreeing to disagree is a beautiful thing, isn't it?




If that's blue book it's total rape.


There's no such thing as a 'blue book' price for this cartridge, because there are rumored to be only about 4 which are confirmed in existence/ciruculation. I have one, another DP forum user has another and I have no idea where the news about how the other two cartridges came about.

Even the Online Rarity Guide here at DP can be considered inaccurate, simply because these cartridges aren't traded/sold between collectors too often.

It's true that values are determined by the supply and demand of an item, as is the case with this cartridge.

This game cartridge would be for the hardcore, serious, completist, video game collector and not for casual gameplaying folks who don't collect games.


My question to you would be, "Would you consider the $1500-$2500 for an NWC cart to be 'total rape' as well?"




Fortunately you didn't pay anything near that for it.

True. Then again, isn't there always a price paid for any item that is tangible? I'll just look on the bright side. I'm one of two people here on the DP forums which owns one of these, plus, my copy is complete, with the original tournament documents. The other DP forum user only has the cartridge.




Goodluck. I think you can still make a profit on ebay but you gonna have to drop it down quite a bit more.

I've given up on Ebay in terms of listing this cartridge. They charge too much in fees, not to mention taking a percentage of the final bid price.

Unfortunately, the price stems back to the people's knowledge of and overall background of the said item. This cartridge is 10 times rarer than the NWC grey and gold carts, but nobody can seem to bring up any concrete information about the history of the Blockbuster World Video Game Championships in 1994 and 1995.

NWC carts - 125 (approx) in circulation.
BBWVGCII carts - 2 in circulation and 2 unaccounted for(rumored)

That's a hell of a difference in terms of scarcity, wouldn't you agree?

As it stands, I would have to say that I know more about this cartridge than anyone else, considering that I had obtained this from a person who had worked at Blockbuster Video.

I try to share my information, but I'm constantly challenged by people who, for some reason, don't want to believe my knowledge on the background of this cartridge.

It's hard to teach people about something that they never knew existed, you know? lol

[attilathehun]

Yeah it's rape, but then again nothing wrong with making a buck. LOL

I'm a hardcore gamer, but I don't have that kind of cash.

The cart is for a rich genny videogame collector. That's what you need but I never but one of those yet. Good luck in your endevors in finding one.

[DreamTR]

It is rarer, yes...but again, I have to bring up the point that the rarest items on the planet video game wise are prototypes....there can be 1 or 2 in existence of an unreleased, undumped game, and they would not be worth more than what you had been asking for the Blockbuster Cart. No one is denying the rarity, but you are preaching to the wrong choir here. There are VERY few people that care about Genesis to that extent, and even fewer who bid on the cart when you placed it on eBay at the time. I was the high bidder on your auction that was nowhere near the reserve.

Again, rarity is not always a factor, and is definitely not in this case. The NWC is vaunted. This is Nintendo's World Championship with 25,000+ attending in 30 cities.....and it's NINTENDO. It was a lifelike Wizard movie. There are MANY Nintendo fanatics, but again, very, very few willing to pay that kind of cash for an NWC.

At this point I would say you have less than 5 people willing to buy the Blockbuster Cart st this kind of money that have any interest in it in the first place.

I have told you on numerous occasions I am interested in the cart, but just not at the prices you were asking because they did not make sense at the time.

[DreamTR]

And as a late FYI, who the heck is challenging on you on your knowledge of the cart? No one is attacking you nor denying its rarity, but rarity is NOT the factor in determining price, plain and simple.

[attilathehun]

The NWC is vaunted. This is Nintendo's World Championship with 25,000+ attending in 30 cities.....and it's NINTENDO. It was a lifelike Wizard movie. There are MANY Nintendo fanatics, but again, very, very few willing to pay that kind of cash for an NWC. Say what? I demand screenshots to backup such a bold claim!

[Balloon Fight]

The NWC is vaunted. This is Nintendo's World Championship with 25,000+ attending in 30 cities.....and it's NINTENDO. It was a lifelike Wizard movie. There are MANY Nintendo fanatics, but again, very, very few willing to pay that kind of cash for an NWC. Say what? I demand screenshots to backup such a bold claim!

Umm....screenshots of what?

[DarkStraw]

Genesis just isent nearly as popular as the nintendo, therefor you wont have as many die hard fans, which means you will have less people willing to pay as much as a nintendo NWC cart, why does the nintendo sell for 50 bucks on ebay when you can find them at garage sales and everwhere while the master system which is much more rare go for only 20? supply and demand, i find that ebay is a good estimate of how much something is worth, i suggest you put it on ebay and have no reserve, then you will see how much it is really worth.

[attilathehun]

The NWC is vaunted. This is Nintendo's World Championship with 25,000+ attending in 30 cities.....and it's NINTENDO. It was a lifelike Wizard movie. There are MANY Nintendo fanatics, but again, very, very few willing to pay that kind of cash for an NWC. Say what? I demand screenshots to backup such a bold claim!

Umm....screenshots of what?of the life like wizard movie for nwc,

[attilathehun]

Genesis just isent nearly as popular as the nintendo, therefor you wont have as many die hard fans, which means you will have less people willing to pay as much as a nintendo NWC cart, why does the nintendo sell for 50 bucks on ebay when you can find them at garage sales and everwhere while the master system which is much more rare go for only 20? supply and demand, i find that ebay is a good estimate of how much something is worth, i suggest you put it on ebay and have no reserve, then you will see how much it is really worth.Hell no dawg! Ebay fluctuates quite a bit. Some guy in 2002 could pick up a crappy vb for $5 and sell it on ebay for $300. A year or two later he might get $15-$20. The blue book rarity dont mean squat if nobody is interested in paying $300 for a hunk of junk they aint gonna buy it.

Ebay is kind of like a stock market. It's about a certain time and place and the type of buying and selling going on.

[Nesmaster]

The NWC is vaunted. This is Nintendo's World Championship with 25,000+ attending in 30 cities.....and it's NINTENDO. It was a lifelike Wizard movie. There are MANY Nintendo fanatics, but again, very, very few willing to pay that kind of cash for an NWC. Say what? I demand screenshots to backup such a bold claim!

Umm....screenshots of what?of the life like wizard movie for nwc,

He means the actual event itself, Nintendo World Championships 1990, was like the event in The Wizard, with SMB3...

[The_4th_Survivor]

Yeah it's rape, but then again nothing wrong with making a buck. LOL

I'm a hardcore gamer, but I don't have that kind of cash.

The cart is for a rich genny videogame collector. That's what you need but I never but one of those yet. Good luck in your endevors in finding one.

Well, as I've been saying for years: "Different strokes for different folks". :P

There are people out there that are searching for this, and if they only knew where to look.... ;)

Thanks for the well wishing. I have a feeling my stance just got a bit stronger. (read the next posts from me)

[The_4th_Survivor]

And as a late FYI, who the heck is challenging on you on your knowledge of the cart? No one is attacking you nor denying its rarity, but rarity is NOT the factor in determining price, plain and simple.

Actually, it's been on other forums and in actual conversations where people like to challenge my knowledge.

Maybe a DP forum user here and there, but the majority of it is outside of Digital Press.

I just said that because I needed to get it off my chest, and yes, I feel better about saying it. ;)

[The_4th_Survivor]

Genesis just isent nearly as popular as the nintendo, therefor you wont have as many die hard fans, which means you will have less people willing to pay as much as a nintendo NWC cart, why does the nintendo sell for 50 bucks on ebay when you can find them at garage sales and everwhere while the master system which is much more rare go for only 20? supply and demand, i find that ebay is a good estimate of how much something is worth, i suggest you put it on ebay and have no reserve, then you will see how much it is really worth.


I would try Ebay again, but the risks of letting this item go with a 'no reserve' is not appealing to me.

Ask yourself this:

"If you were in my position on this issue, would you list something this rare with no reserve? Taking a big risk in the process?"

[The_4th_Survivor]

Well, I just received an email from someone (who wishes to remain anonymous) that they have just purchased a Blockbuster World Video Game Championship II cart from a private collector for $2500.00.

The reason why they emailed me is because they're kind of regretting that they paid so much more for an incomplete copy of the BBWVGCII cart, whereas my complete copy is possibly going to be sold for a lot less.

I can say this now....

The Blockbuster World Video Game Championship II cartridge is now worth at least $2500.00, which is what this private collector paid for it from another collector.

I guess there ARE people out there who seem to think that the BBWVGCII cart is worth more than $1350.00.

So, as it stands, I suppose I'll have to wait and field more offers until I find one that I deem to be acceptable.

[DreamTR]

4th Survivor: I know who the private collector is. I will not name his name, but he is a very prominent collector of unreleased prototype and contest cart stuff, and he is not in the United States. He had a standind deal with the person that sold it to purchase it at that price awhile ago. There are 3 people that want that cart, myself, BuyAtari, and that private collector, and who basically were willing to pay a decent amount of cash. Said private collector has made many high end purchases either overpaying or underpaying for some of them.

This does not mean the cart is worth that much because one person paid that much for it. Prime example, a gray NWC for over $5K. Is it worth that much? Of course not. BUt when someone wants it bad enough, price can be named, same with anything. I sold a gold NWC for $6500 once, and I knew it was not worth that much, but the buyer wanted it bad enough, same with the private collector that purchased Blockbuster for $2500.

When there are only 2-3 people with this cartridge, and they are all being sold around the same time, it kind of makes you wonder....

Again, no one is denying the rarity of it, but unfortunately it's a precarious situation with the wrong types of games and the wrong system, hence why the interest is high, but to pay 100X for any other type of Genesis collectable is a bit asinine in my opinion.

You have known for quite some time I want this cart, but there is no way I would pay anything close to NWC prices....

[Buyatari]

When you compare things you have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. You can't compare produced NES carts to known existing Sega carts.

I'd love to know the names of the 125 collectors who have NWC carts. You think every one ever made is accounted for? I'd say closer to 20-30 are known at this time. Way more then the Sega cart yes but now that people know about it more will turn up.

[The_4th_Survivor]

As of 3/20/06, my complete copy of the Blockbuster World Video Game Championships II for the Sega Genesis has been SOLD.

I won't get into too many details about it, but the buyer of my copy now owns AT LEAST 2 copies of the BBWVGCII, making them the ONLY person in the world with not only a 'complete' copy (the set I just sold to them), but more than one cartridge to boot.


I'm sure that the private collector will be quite pleased when it arrives at their doorstep, considering I tossed in a lot of rare, video game related freebies. (I'm just a nice guy like that.) :P


Anyways............

You can now officially list the VALUE of the Blockbuster World Video Game Championship II cart from $2,300 - $2,800. How can I gauge this price? Because the private collector I sold it to paid me an amount that falls in between that range. ;)



Joe, if you're reading this, perhaps it would be time to update the Online Rarity Guide? :D




The_4th_Survivor

[Buyatari]

Why would he buy two?

That doesn't change the price. Unless he plans on selling it to himself. Clearly he is the only one who thinks its worth that much. Thats enough for a grey NWC !

[zektor]

I'd personally give a fresh $10 bill for it! LOL

Not to push any buttons, but I really do think that people who spend that kind of cash on "one of a kind" type games or items are just doing it to feel special. Nothing special about spending $2500 on a cartridge in my neck of the woods...just plain idiotic. But, again, that is only one man's opinion.

[badinsults]

OMG, he is trying to get a monopoly on Blockbuster carts! Someone phone the competiton police!!11!!

[DreamTR]

And that person does not live in the USA 8-)

[wberdan]

if someone bought two copies of this game for over 2000 each, that proves he is an idiot.

thats about it, it doesnt solidify any value, so i doubt the guides will be updated.


willie

[esquire]

You can now officially list the VALUE of the Blockbuster World Video Game Championship II cart from $2,300 - $2,800. How can I gauge this price? Because the private collector I sold it to paid me an amount that falls in between that range.

Well I'd beg to differ. That's like saying if I found one of these at a Salvation Army for only $5, that we'd then have to change the value down to $5. That's not how it works. Price is determined by supply and demand, not just one person's willingness or ability to pay a certain price. So, unless you can account for every one of these and how much they were sold for, I would not set the going rate solely based upon one, even two, transaction(s).

[The_Chosen_One]

You can now officially list the VALUE of the Blockbuster World Video Game Championship II cart from $2,300 - $2,800. How can I gauge this price? Because the private collector I sold it to paid me an amount that falls in between that range.

Well I'd beg to differ. That's like saying if I found one of these at a Salvation Army for only $5, that we'd then have to change the value down to $5. That's not how it works. Price is determined by supply and demand, not just one person's willingness or ability to pay a certain price. So, unless you can account for every one of these and how much they were sold for, I would not set the going rate solely based upon one, even two, transaction(s).

And with that in mind, I wonder how much The_4th_Survivor originally paid for it. Considering he is so interested in changing the price guide for it going by how much he sold it for, why don't you tell us how much you bought it for, and then maybe we can average that into the price.

[orrimarrko]

if someone bought two copies of this game for over 2000 each, that proves he is an idiot.

thats about it, it doesnt solidify any value, so i doubt the guides will be updated.


willie

Nice - I was wondering if you were still here!

I'd have to agree.

Value guides are just that - guides. There needs to be a reasonable amount of buying and selling of an item to dictate a "guided" price for an item.

The sale of two of these (especially to the same person) is important to note, but doesn't mean that is the "value" of the item. Also, the average of the sales doesn't mean that's the value either.

For example, if I needed some quick money tomorrow, and sold one of these carts with a Buy-It-Now feature on eBay for $500, would that mean that the value of the cart is the average of the three sales?

Of course not. One sale, or even five sales should only provide a ballpark idea of what some collectors are willing to pay.

The 2600 is littered with this exact problem. The fact is, some folks have a lot of money to spend on things and some don't.

Usually, once those folks have their item, all that's left is us normal folk. When that happens, the price drops, because there's no one left to buy it at that higher price.

I wouldn't be surprised if that collector sold the first cart (the one without the documents.) However, this person may just be that kind of exception that wants to have two...

The worst example of a price guide is the one in the Video Game Collector magazine. I appreciate the attempt, but it isn't even close to reality.

Sorry, I digress... ;)

[Bratwurst]

As this was a behind the scenes deal how can you confirm so much money changed hands anyway? How do we know this isn't some scam to inflate the price that was actually paid so the guy with two copies can sell his them later at higher than normal?

[Predatorxs]

if someone bought two copies of this game for over 2000 each, that proves he is an idiot.

thats about it, it doesnt solidify any value, so i doubt the guides will be updated.

willie

By the sounds of it the guy is a big time collector, and not in the sence, that he has 500+ PS2 games or he has a complete PS1 collection, if the guy is dropping change like this on 2 of the same (rare) cart imagine what else he has? he's one of these rare collectors that only collects the UN-collectable! the Grails... People! the grails! Grrr.. @_@

So an idiot he's not..

[portnoyd]

Well I'd beg to differ. That's like saying if I found one of these at a Salvation Army for only $5, that we'd then have to change the value down to $5. That's not how it works. Price is determined by supply and demand, not just one person's willingness or ability to pay a certain price. So, unless you can account for every one of these and how much they were sold for, I would not set the going rate solely based upon one, even two, transaction(s).

What you're all ignoring is that there are only 4 copies, at the maximum, known. I remember Blackjax saying he knew two people with one each. They have not surfaced, nor shown any proof, but let's count them.

When 50% of the copies change hands at a specific amount, those selling values have to be considered.

[DreamTR]

4th survivor seems to forget that said person is the ONLY one willing to pay that much for that game. Granted it is his right to "want" this said sum of money, but to be honest, the higher end collectors for Genesis will not pay more than $1500 for this cart, and that is pushing it. I have many one of a kind Genesis carts that I will not sell for less than $2000, but that's my right to not sell them unless I receive an offer of what it will take for it to come out of my grasps, and does not necessarily determine value.

It would take a substantial sum of money to take my last gold cart from my hands (NWC), but it's definitely not worth what I want....

[Anthony1]

If there really is only 4 of these carts in existence, then this "special collector from overseas" is a very intelligent individual. His $2,000 investment could easily turn into $5000. He should try to somehow locate the other 2, and have all 4 of them. This might sound stupid, but only 4 collectors on the planet could have a "TRULY" complete Genesis collection if they happen to have one of those carts. Eventually, as the generations of kids who played Genesis get's older, there will be certain gamers that will become rather wealthy in other ventures and could start collecting Genesis games as a link to their past, and if they want to have a "truly" complete collection then they are going to have to cough up serious, serious dough for this thing.






To the original poster, don't you have pics of this cart? You said it was complete with all documentation, I imagine you have a number of pics of this, I would love to see some pics of this. I've never seen a pic of this anywhere.

[Stark]

Cart has been sold is all you needed to say.

Why come here and brag about not only selling it for whatever price but that you included xxxxxcrap items for the buyer. Then you decide that the price of this cart is xxx because you made a few $. That's not how the guide works and thankfully so. Go show off somewhere else.

[anagrama]

If there really is only 4 of these carts in existence, then this "special collector from overseas" is a very intelligent individual. His $2,000 investment could easily turn into $5000. He should try to somehow locate the other 2, and have all 4 of them. This might sound stupid, but only 4 collectors on the planet could have a "TRULY" complete Genesis collection if they happen to have one of those carts. Eventually, as the generations of kids who played Genesis get's older, there will be certain gamers that will become rather wealthy in other ventures and could start collecting Genesis games as a link to their past, and if they want to have a "truly" complete collection then they are going to have to cough up serious, serious dough for this thing.

There's a significant difference between "only 4 in existence" and "4 currently known amongst collectors circles". Port mentioned another 2 unconformed copies above, and in all likelyhood there are more out there as yet unknown to us.

And all the talk about revising the DP value seems to overlook the fact that DP value ratings max out at $999 anyway ;)

[DreamTR]

anthony: he has posted pictures on previous threads. Also, a complete Genesis system is whatever you want it to be. You can go for complete licensed, complete unlicensed, or complete with competition carts or protos? Like I said before, I have many one of kind protos for Genesis, does that mean a Genesis collector needs those or they will not have a complete collection? Of course not.

Granted this is RARE, but so are many items that are just not going to have the same appeal or value unfrotunately.

[ChronoTriggaFoo]

Well I was another interested party in this Blockbuster cart, but I would've topped out around the thousand mark. I think the part that irks everyone is how brash he comes off by bragging, first of all, and then stating the DP guide price should be changed because of one collector.

When I emailed him long ago about the cart, I received an email that attempted put into perspective why I should pay out the ass for it, comparing it to the NWC gold and Kizuna Encounters of the world. Well...everyone is right 4th_Survivor, it really doesn't depend how rare it is. IT'S ALL ABOUT DEMAND, and those other games you mentioned were and are in quite demand.

Educate all you want about the Blockbuster Championship cart, but its not going to induce enough nostalgia into the collectors to pay NWC gold prices.

[Nicola]

Please stop this.
The_4th_Survivor has been a great seller and, as you may believe, it's not easy to reach the sum needed, and he has been more than patient. I just wanted a "complete" copy of the cart and, why not, another cart that may always be a good item to trade: sometimes, as you all know, collectors prefere to trade something "valuable" for something "valuable" other than money (sometimes easier to obtain) for something "valuable". I mean "valuable" for seller and buyer.

Many of you think that I am an idiot, that I waste money. Well, keep this for yourself. Everyone is an idot one way or another. I prefere to continue being an idiot this way :D

As for the rarity guide, I think it's not important to state 999 usd or 1000 usd (the value...maybe around 1000 since on ebay it went over this mark). I just think that a 10 on the rarity scale would be more appropriate, since the NWC is a 10 with many more copies known. I am not talking about value (subjective) but rarity (objective). (And please, remove the other 2 BB cart! These doesn't exist!!!! And can't be rumored!!!!)

Ah, I'd really like to know who are the other owners. Just curious. No, i'm not planning on buying all the copies LOL LOL LOL

So, please, stop insulting me or the seller. I am a fellow DP member. Fellows don't fight one against the other in real lifes. And lowballing is no more needed :/

[DreamTR]

I just don't like 4th survivor's tactics business wise. If he wants the money, fine. NExt time I am the high bidder on his ebay auctions and he never contacts me and tries to go over my head to the second highest bidder and sell it for the same price, I'll be aware of the way he operates. And says his "friend" does not want him to sell the cart. That's what irks me the most about this. All you have to say is you want more money, not be sneaky and undermining about it and bragging you "might" sell it at CGE when you were nowhere to be found. Nice job buddy.

[Nicola]

EDIT:-nevermind-

[Buyatari]

Congrats Nicola. One day I too hope to own this one.

Its a great item to have and you are a stand up guy. No one here can disagree either of those statements.

Adam

[InsaneDavid]

It's sold, can we lock this damn thread already. :roll: Its almost become its own sticky.

[attilathehun]

Cart has been sold is all you needed to say.

Why come here and brag about not only selling it for whatever price but that you included xxxxxcrap items for the buyer. Then you decide that the price of this cart is xxx because you made a few $. That's not how the guide works and thankfully so. Go show off somewhere else.@_@ You said porn games. Where are the porn games at? :devilish:

[DreamTR]

It's ok. The buyer did some dirty tactics in regards to the sale of this cart anyway. It's all said and done now.

[Bronty-2]

are you saying buyer or seller or both? Just curious although I ugess I shouldn't be stirring the pot. ;)

[Berserker]

Since mainly this item has been sold for a while, and the thread now seems to be nothing but drawn-out +1's and little back-and-forths to nowhere, I'm just going to put this one out of its misery.

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