why is ISS 2000 worth so much?

[Towlie2110]

I own two and I am completely Baffled by it's being credited as one of the rarest n64 games out there (what are those by the way?) Why is this game so darn rare!?

[Jumpman Jr.]

Well, its not actually THAT rare... its just one of the rarest games in a library of very common games. I'd say that it, along with Clayfighters Sculpters Cut are the two rarest games for the N64.
The reason why it actually is rare, is because (as the name says) came out around 2000, which is pretty much the end of the N64 relm of Nintendo. That, and it was a Blockbuster exclusive.

[Towlie2110]

So does that mean my tony hawks pro skater 3 and powerpuff girls are also unusualy rare?

[GrandAmChandler]

No. Because ISS2000 was a Blockbuster release it makes it that much rarer. I see THPS3 & Powerpuff girls a lot more than I do ISS2000.

[Mason P.]

If it is so rare how much does it go for (Iss)?

[SegaAges]

I am not thread jacking, but I have owned sculpter's cut for at least 6 years now not even knowing that it was rare, that rules.

as for the guy with 2 copies of iss 2000, you can always hook me up with 1 :)

[Jumpman Jr.]

as for the guy with 2 copies of iss 2000, you can always hook me up with 1 :)

Loose, its not all that rare. As with most of the rarer N64 releases, the box seems to be what most people are looking for.
Of coarse, you never stated if you had the box or not. I'm just saying.

[Trebuken]

ISS 2000 was the second toughest N64 game for me to find. Worms Armageddon being the toughest. ISS was (still is?) on Amazon.com regularly for $50 ish in box. Clayfighter SC was easier for me to find (2 copies even).

I thought ISS 2000 was only available through mail order, but I don't really know. Never heard it classified as one of the Blockbuster exclusives. Perhaps it was available both ways...

Rarity guide gives all these games a rating of 5 I think. I think that's about right, maybe they should be 6's if the guide were updated though???

Later,
Trebuken

[Mayhem]

ISS2000 and Track&Field 2000 (both BB exclusives) cost me $30 each complete. Definitely on the higher scale of values. Thankfully neither have any stickers or other markings on them at least.

[max 330 mega]

soooo... if anyone is interested in my boxed copy of clayfighters sculptors cut, send me a pm ;)

[christhegamer]

While we're on the topic of rare N64 games, If you see a copy of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, do NOT pick it up unless it's under $5! This game absolutely sucks; poor level design, sh*tty graphics, horrible controls; you name it. It's like having your very own peice of crap; execpt that it's not brown :P.

[kevincure]

It is rare because of the BB Exclusive, but as others have mentioned, there really aren't any very rare games for the 64. The nature of cartridges means that you didn't see any 5000 or 10000 run games like you did on the PSX.

[fishsandwich]

While we're on the topic of rare N64 games, If you see a copy of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, do NOT pick it up unless it's under $5! This game absolutely sucks; poor level design, sh*tty graphics, horrible controls; you name it. It's like having your very own peice of crap; execpt that it's not brown :P.

I gotta disagree with you on this one... I think this is a pretty decent game. I like it better than some of the later Tomb Raider games (its obvious inspirational sources) and the N64 never got a real TR game. The graphics are pretty darn nice by N64 standards. I spent a lot of time with this one. Never finsihed it though. I may try it again soon.

:D

[roushimsx]

While we're on the topic of rare N64 games, If you see a copy of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, do NOT pick it up unless it's under $5! This game absolutely sucks; poor level design, sh*tty graphics, horrible controls; you name it. It's like having your very own peice of crap; execpt that it's not brown :P.

I bought it on PC and didn't much care for it at all, but was told the N64 port just worked out a lot better (better controls and such). I was way let down by it...it controled like shit and looked like shit. Then I was told I needed the RAM expansion pack to make it not suck and run smoother.

Surprise surprise, the RAM expansion pack isn't the magical key that unlocks the awesome in this treasure chest of suck. :(

Oh well, $15 down the drain on the game. I guess it was money down the drain on the RAM expansion pak as well since there's really not any games that I've played that are actually better with it. Either you don't have the pak and you get muddy low resolution textures or you do have the pak and you get to play in a screwy resolution that normally runs choppier than before. You just can't win :(

[jdchess]

While we're on the topic of rare N64 games, If you see a copy of Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, do NOT pick it up unless it's under $5! This game absolutely sucks; poor level design, sh*tty graphics, horrible controls; you name it. It's like having your very own peice of crap; execpt that it's not brown :P.

The Infernal Machine was also an exclusive title. It was available as a rental through BB and could be bought from directly from Lucas Arts through the website. It was NOT available through normal retail. Boxed copies usually go for some $$'s depending on condition of course.

I have to admit that I was pretty happy to find this one...an exclusive title still SEALED...take a look...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8248235489&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

[jdchess]

Another N64 game that isn't really all that rare, but still demands pretty high dollar is Harvest Moon 64...especially complete. Mint complete copies usually go for $50 plus.

[jdchess]

Oh well, $15 down the drain on the game. I guess it was money down the drain on the RAM expansion pak as well since there's really not any games that I've played that are actually better with it. Either you don't have the pak and you get muddy low resolution textures or you do have the pak and you get to play in a screwy resolution that normally runs choppier than before. You just can't win :(

Perfect Dark. Enough said.

[roushimsx]

Perfect Dark. Enough said.

I was really excited about Perfect Dark because on paper it sounded like they were addressing every issue I had with Goldeneye that prevented me from really enjoying the game. It just wasn't ment to be :(

On the upside, you can tinker with the counterfactor in PJ64 and make it run quite a bit smoother and then tweak the predefined Perfect Dark settings in Darkman's DInput plugin to make the game pretty damn playable.

[Mayhem]

Another N64 game that isn't really all that rare, but still demands pretty high dollar is Harvest Moon 64...especially complete. Mint complete copies usually go for $50 plus.

How about a sealed copy of it? ;)

[Spycee]

Because ISS2000 was a Blockbuster release it makes it that much rarer
So it was only available at Blockbuster ? Yesterday I found a boxed copy at an independant movie renting place (forgot the right word in english :embarrassed: ). They had the game for rent.

[fishsandwich]

Surprise surprise, the RAM expansion pack isn't the magical key that unlocks the awesome in this treasure chest of suck. :(

Oh well, $15 down the drain on the game. I guess it was money down the drain on the RAM expansion pak as well since there's really not any games that I've played that are actually better with it. Either you don't have the pak and you get muddy low resolution textures or you do have the pak and you get to play in a screwy resolution that normally runs choppier than before. You just can't win :(

How about Zelda: MM? That is one fantastic game and you can't run the game without the pack... it REQUIRES the extra RAM, much like Donkey Kong 64. I didn't care for Donkey Kong that much, though. There are only so many bananas one can collect without GOING bananas. Adding the pack to Turok 2 made a big visual differance, though the frame rate took a real hit with the resolution high and the screen full of detail. I agree that many games that utilize the extra RAM aren't that different from the regular version, though I suspect that my TV isn't the best ever. Some games do look better though. One weird example is Stunt Race 64, yet another Blockbuster Exclusive (and the BEST BB exclusive in my opinion.) The extra RAM does indeed bump the resolution up noticably... I mean REALLY noticably. Unfortunately, it also makes the entire game run in LETTERBOXED format. And I don't mean panoramic views letterbox... I mean cut off the top and bottom of the screen letterbox. Game looks great but you can't see what's coming. Bad.

I stand by my fondness for Indiana Jones... it's far and away the closest the N64 got to a Tomb Raider game (I loved the first TR... how times have changed!) and it's got A LOT of depth.

http://theindyexperience.com/image/infernal.jpg

http://www.cdaccess.com/gifs/screen/indymach1.jpg

http://www.adventurecollective.com/screenshots/indy_and_snakes.jpg

http://www.justadventure.com/reviews/Indy_Infernal/indy3.jpg

[Mason P.]

ok about 50 boxed. How much if it was sealed ?

[swlovinist]

Being that I have a complete US N64 collection, I have to chime in on this topic. I was one of the first people to scoff at the rarity of the game being a 5. Although I have since decided that the game should be 6 or 7 on rarity, the game is still more rare than a 5. A boxed one is the big issue here. I have finally put one together complete, but it has taken a purchase from ebay in 2005 and two local finds. By the way, the two local finds were at video rental stores, NOT BLOCKBUSTER. From my personal experiences, the game is not a Blockbuster exclusive although it did recieve a very limited run in the US. In my opinion, the boxes of the N64 will be highly sought after, considering that many games are already getting tough to find complete. ISS 2000 is one of the hardest games to complete for the system, on par with Clayfighter Sculptors cut or Worms Arm.

[DreamTR]

ISS 2000 was not a Blockbuster exclusive. Many mom and pop stores carried the game out here in Los Angeles. I have a factory sealed one, and purchased it when it came out.

As for Worms Armageddon, you can still pick that game up new here locally for $49.99 or $59.99...I honestly don't think anything on N64 is that rare except for Clay Fighter Sculptor's Cut and boxed ISS 2000s.

[roushimsx]

One weird example is Stunt Race 64

God yes, I was so disappointed when I finally played Stunt Racer 64 with the expansion pack and found out that while it looks a bit nicer, you see a hell of a lot LESS. That was just retarded (and really about the only thing I didn't like about the game).

[Towlie2110]

I'm working on a complete 64, and So far I think i've seen every game on my list, except for Worms. I own it for psone and it's a blast but man that game definately has to be the rarest on the 64.

By the way there should be a definate list on the rarest 64 games.

here's mine.

1. Worms
2. ISS
3. Clay
4. Indy
5. HArvest
6. Ogre Battle Complete....(First ever sealed bought)
7. I donno bout you, but you try finding a Charlies Blast terrirtory sealed.

[christhegamer]

Surprise surprise, the RAM expansion pack isn't the magical key that unlocks the awesome in this treasure chest of suck. :(

Oh well, $15 down the drain on the game. I guess it was money down the drain on the RAM expansion pak as well since there's really not any games that I've played that are actually better with it. Either you don't have the pak and you get muddy low resolution textures or you do have the pak and you get to play in a screwy resolution that normally runs choppier than before. You just can't win :(

How about Zelda: MM? That is one fantastic game and you can't run the game without the pack... it REQUIRES the extra RAM, much like Donkey Kong 64. I didn't care for Donkey Kong that much, though. There are only so many bananas one can collect without GOING bananas. Adding the pack to Turok 2 made a big visual differance, though the frame rate took a real hit with the resolution high and the screen full of detail. I agree that many games that utilize the extra RAM aren't that different from the regular version, though I suspect that my TV isn't the best ever. Some games do look better though. One weird example is Stunt Race 64, yet another Blockbuster Exclusive (and the BEST BB exclusive in my opinion.) The extra RAM does indeed bump the resolution up noticably... I mean REALLY noticably. Unfortunately, it also makes the entire game run in LETTERBOXED format. And I don't mean panoramic views letterbox... I mean cut off the top and bottom of the screen letterbox. Game looks great but you can't see what's coming. Bad.

I stand by my fondness for Indiana Jones... it's far and away the closest the N64 got to a Tomb Raider game (I loved the first TR... how times have changed!) and it's got A LOT of depth.

http://theindyexperience.com/image/infernal.jpg

http://www.cdaccess.com/gifs/screen/indymach1.jpg

http://www.adventurecollective.com/screenshots/indy_and_snakes.jpg

http://www.justadventure.com/reviews/Indy_Infernal/indy3.jpg

:hmm: Ram pack... Ram Pack... Are you talking about that little black thing with the red top? I never got around to getting one, and I have no idea how to insert it into the console...

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[Towlie2110]

I have 4 64's and games that need that ram pack. And I DONT HAVE ONE!!

it sucks.

I popped in Perfect Dark for the first time, only to see the lame multiplayer level. I wondered why people hailed this game so high, then I played it on a ram pack...
WOW

[tonyvortex]

and here i always thought starcraft 64 was one of the hardest to find 64 games.

[Towlie2110]

THe good things about mcvans is the selection and the cool people who work there.

Sure they may be a little stiff on prices, but where else can you have a conversation about Zerg Photoss and the humans wondering whether you can build your troops by your bases or farther out, so to figure it out the guy pops it in the system and viola' you play for a half hour.

lol. Oh yah is starcraft that rare? Isn't it up with like Aidyn Chonicles? to me Aidyn isn't very rare mostly because it sucked major balls. But Starcraft is a licensed cart.

[Nesmaster]

I will also stand behind Indiana Jones. That was one of the best games I played around the time it came out...

[fishsandwich]

I'm working on a complete 64, and So far I think i've seen every game on my list, except for Worms. I own it for psone and it's a blast but man that game definitely has to be the rarest on the 64.

By the way there should be a definate list on the rarest 64 games.

here's mine.

1. Worms
2. ISS
3. Clay
4. Indy
5. HArvest
6. Ogre Battle Complete....(First ever sealed bought)
7. I donno bout you, but you try finding a Charlies Blast terrirtory sealed.

By Harvest do you mean Body Harvest? I see that game all the time.

I'd put Clayfighters at the top.

I think Indiana Jones is one of the more common of the BB releases... every BB store I went to around that time had 3-5 copies. I'd guess that Stunt Racer 64 or Blitz Special Edition are both rarer than Indy, Body Harvest, or Ogre Battle. I've got a complete one and I just sold a new one on Ebay a few months ago. Went for $60... less than I was expected.

[fishsandwich]

:hmm: Ram pack... Ram Pack... Are you talking about that little black thing with the red top? I never got around to getting one, and I have no idea how to insert it into the console...(:P)

Hey man... it's super-easy. Get a RAM expansion pak. Pop open the little door on the top-front of the N64. Take a teaspoon and carefully pop the old pak out of the N64, then put the new RAM pak in its place. Close little door. You're done.

Some games require that you set the graphics to high resolution at an options screen or the game will run in regular mode. Some games will automatically detect the extra RAM and run with it.

Get a RAM thingie! They are cheap nowadays. Some games don't benefit that much or look better but run slower... some games show a marked improvement overall. Quake II is a great example, as it Perfect Dark (some significant extras can't be played without the extra RAM.) Donkey Kong 64 and Zelda MM require it.

:D

[Trebuken]

:hmm: Ram pack... Ram Pack... Are you talking about that little black thing with the red top? I never got around to getting one, and I have no idea how to insert it into the console...(:P)

Hey man... it's super-easy. Get a RAM expansion pak. Pop open the little door on the top-front of the N64. Take a teaspoon and carefully pop the old pak out of the N64, then put the new RAM pak in its place. Close little door. You're done.

Some games require that you set the graphics to high resolution at an options screen or the game will run in regular mode. Some games will automatically detect the extra RAM and run with it.

Get a RAM thingie! They are cheap nowadays. Some games don't benefit that much or look better but run slower... some games show a marked improvement overall. Quake II is a great example, as it Perfect Dark (some significant extras can't be played without the extra RAM.) Donkey Kong 64 and Zelda MM require it.

:D

Anyone have a list of games that require or benefit from the ram pack?

Later,
Trebuken

[christhegamer]

:hmm: Ram pack... Ram Pack... Are you talking about that little black thing with the red top? I never got around to getting one, and I have no idea how to insert it into the console...(:P)

Hey man... it's super-easy. Get a RAM expansion pak. Pop open the little door on the top-front of the N64. Take a teaspoon and carefully pop the old pak out of the N64, then put the new RAM pak in its place. Close little door. You're done.

Some games require that you set the graphics to high resolution at an options screen or the game will run in regular mode. Some games will automatically detect the extra RAM and run with it.

Get a RAM thingie! They are cheap nowadays. Some games don't benefit that much or look better but run slower... some games show a marked improvement overall. Quake II is a great example, as it Perfect Dark (some significant extras can't be played without the extra RAM.) Donkey Kong 64 and Zelda MM require it.

:D

Anyone have a list of games that require or benefit from the ram pack?

Later,

Trebuken

Thanks. The only problem is, however, that the original pak in my N64 still has it's seal; is there any way to take it out without breaking it?

Trebuken has a good idea, too (lists please!!! :))

O, and one more thing; WHY DIDN'T YOU LEAVE-IN THE MONKEYS?!?!

[Towlie2110]

No not Body Harvest. Harvest Moon!

[Qixmaster]

1. ISS 2000
2. CF: Sculptors
3. Stunt Racer 64

those are the rarest to find complete. Worms isn't THAT hard to find, considering it was a major release, where as these three were all rental exclusive and if you were looking for complete copies, well then best of luck to you.

and it is true, ISS was in no way shape or form a BB exclusive.... and most definately a rental exclusive at smaller chains.

-Josh

[Towlie2110]

wow that makes me feel proud.

maybe it was Lansings, anyone remember Lansings?

[Vectorman0]

I am 99% positive that ISS2000 was a mail order title or something to that extent. I'm sure it wasn't a BB exclusive. If it wasn't mail order, then it had to have a very weird distribution amongst stores/rental outlets.

Otherwise, here is my two cents:

Sculptors Cut (rarest box/manual, NOT cart)
ISS2000 (rarest cart?

Some of the other BB only titles seem to be showing up on ebay much less often with boxes/manual then they used to.

[D_N_G]

you guys are forgetting International Track and Field 2000

[Towlie2110]

is it rare?

[orrimarrko]

No. Because ISS2000 was a Blockbuster release it makes it that much rarer. I see THPS3 & Powerpuff girls a lot more than I do ISS2000.

That is not correct. It was NOT a Blockbuster release at all.

I know for a fact, having owned one myself that it could have been puchased in many locations.

It was produced after the retail chains stopped buying N64 games (they moved onto newer systems.) So the marketing and distribution was to non-retail chains.

Blockbuster purchased many, but not all. I bought mine from a local video game retailer, brand new. There were no Blockbuster logos on them at all, and they had several others for sale.

It's a lot like the mistake that people make when saying that Freestyle Street Soccer is a Blockbuster only release - also not true.

Steve

[orrimarrko]

There's a difference between the "hardest N64 games to find complete" and the "hardest N64 games to find period."

I can say with some certainty that ISS2000 is extremely difficult to locate without the benefit of eBay. The reason for this was that it was one of the last games released for the system, and was not distributed through the retail outlets.

However, it wasn't a Blockbuster exclusive, like some of the other rarities.

ISS2000 is almost always found complete or sealed though. It may be tough to find, but when you do, it's usually with the box and manual.

Clay Fighter: Sculpters Cut is THE most difficult game to find for the N64, period. Not only was the production run shorter, but it WAS a Blockbuster exclusive. As such, it's difficult to find without all of the stickers, marker and crap that they did to their cartridges. Finding one with the box and manual (let alone in good shape) is also very difficult. (I sold my complete, near mint copy to Joe - wish I still had it!!)

As for the rest, most of the other releases are easy to find.

The Indiana Jones game was not a Blockbuster exlcusive, despite what most think - it was also available at the LucasArts website.

Of the Blockbuster exlcusives, I would agree that Stunt Racer 64 is probably the hardest to find after CF:SC.

International Track & Field 2000 is easy to find the cart, again, they usually have the clear sticker over the label, but not hard to find. Finding one complete is not that hard, but a little harder than most titles.

The other exclusives not mentioned above are:

NFL Blitz: Special Edition (BB)
Razor Freestyle Scooter (BB)
Transformers: Beast Wars - Transmetals (BB)

Worms is above average to locate, but not rare.

GL everyone!

Orri-

[Towlie2110]

Man! such quality Info.

My ISS 2000 is in amazing condition, but sadly, when I was little I couldn't care less about Boxes....

[CreamSoda]

Dude WTF is with the Indiana Jones bashing here? I was highly impressed by that game!!! As you can see by the screenshots alone it looks amazing(for a 64 game).

Anyway, back on topic...

I've seen that game ISS in my EBGames a couple times, for like 2 or 3 dollars. I wish I would have picked it up now! XD

I also feel this is a great time to be an N64 collector, as most of the games are still common and cheap(much like Dreamcast).

[fishsandwich]

Thanks. The only problem is, however, that the original pak in my N64 still has it's seal; is there any way to take it out without breaking it?



I looked in another N64 and saw the seal you're talking about... it's a sticker, no? Can't you carefully peel it off?

To be honest... why is the sticker that important? You're missing quite a bit of improvement (not to mention a lot of Perfect Dark and ALL of Zelda: MM) by not taking out the old jumper pack and putting in a RAM pack. N64's are dirt cheap nowadays... if the sticker is THAT important you can always find another N64 console. Hell, I have three. I'll let you have one free if you'll pay for shipping.

:-P

[Doonzmore]

While we are on the topic of difficult games to find complete, I rarly come across a complete Rat Attack or Donald Duck. As for a few of the other R5's listed on the DP guide, i've never found Blitz 2001 or Cruis'n Exotica to be all that tricky to find. I've seen them in just about every rental store i've been to. I do own a complete Stunt Racer 64 though, if only the box wasn't sun faded.... :(

[Towlie2110]

I personally think the most Unrare game out there, is WCW/NWO Revenge.

Yeah I also bought one of my ISS2000 from EB or Gamestop when it was around 2 or 4 dollars.

Has anyone seen those black controllers that you find in hotels that have order buttons and let you connect to the internet with the phone jack cord? Would those be considered rare/valuble?

[ajfarias]

Has anyone seen those black controllers that you find in hotels that have order buttons and let you connect to the internet with the phone jack cord? Would those be considered rare/valuble?


That's simply a modification of a controller done by the hotel, I do not think those have much collectable value.

I do agree with you that practically every N64 game I see in stores are wrestling games.

They were so crappy everyone returned them. :P

[snes_collector]

While we are on the topic of difficult games to find complete, I rarly come across a complete Rat Attack or Donald Duck. As for a few of the other R5's listed on the DP guide, i've never found Blitz 2001 or Cruis'n Exotica to be all that tricky to find. I've seen them in just about every rental store i've been to. I do own a complete Stunt Racer 64 though, if only the box wasn't sun faded.... :(

Rat Attack has got to be up there, I've saw 1 copy in my life and I stupidly passed it up. Blitz special edition has also got to be up there. I don't believe I've saw Penny Racers in awhile, I've been looking for it, although not very hard. Seems like most N64 games are holding there value to me. I just can't pay 15.00$ for a last gen game that isn't rare.

[DreamTR]

I have a Clay Fighter Sculptor's Cut with box up on eBay right now....

ISS was NOT mail order. I even said it was not Blockbuster exclusive before n this thread and I was completely ignored.