maybee I shouldn't sell on eBay

[Buyatari]

Got this email today.


OKAY, I NEED MY POSITIVE FEEDBACK NOW. I HAVE ASKED YOU MANY TIMES. I HAD GIVEN YOU POSITIVE FEEDBACK A LONG TIME AGO, NOW I NEED MINE. PLEASE GIVE ME MY POSITIVE FEEDBACK SOON!
Cullen

I replied with


Man, don't be such a pain.

Which do you love more, feedback or WRITTING IN ALL CAPS ?

I will leave feedback for you and all the others when I get around to it. Sending out the package safely and in a timely fashion is the important part. Feedback is a joke and is as important as making sure you don't step on a crack while on the sidewalk. Don't fall into the ebay mindgame.

However, thanks for leaving me positive feedback even though I could care less its the thought that counts. I appreciate the effort, one of these days I'll do the same hopefully sometime this week.
Adam

[Griking]

Wouldn't it have taken less time to just have given him his feedback than it did to write that email response to him saying that you'll do it when you get the time?

Granted there's no rule saying that a person has to leave feedback at all but if someone had taken the time to write me asking me to please leave him his deserved positive feedback I would have found the extra minute in my day

Feedback may not mean much to some of us who have built up over 1000 positives but I can understand people who don't have that many wanting the ones that they've earned. As a seller I know that I'm more comfortable going into a transaction when my buyers have a good feedback record.

[Buyatari]

It was the all CAPS message. Even if I was planning to leave feedback that day it won't happen till the end of the week now.

I can't stand caps. I don't care how right someone is. Not saying he is or isn't but I hate CAPS.

Ebay needs to change the feedback policy. If there is a problem and its not resolved then it should be the option of buyer and seller to leave a negative otherwise all feedbacks should be reguarded as positive.

And when sellers can buy 50 1 cent photos to boost feedback prior to selling $5000.00 watches does feedback really have any merit?

[Berserker]

So basically, you're e-punishing this guy for not sharing your worldview... and for typing in all caps.

It's like putting your car in park for five minutes at an intersection because the guy in the car behind you is yelling and "green lights give me bad vibes."

[Darth Sensei]

WHILE YOUR POST IS AMUSING, I STILL THINK YOU'RE ACTING A LITTLE PRICKISH.

[AKay]

Wouldn't it have taken less time to just have given him his feedback than it did to write that email response to him saying that you'll do it when you get the time?

Granted there's no rule saying that a person has to leave feedback at all but if someone had taken the time to write me asking me to please leave him his deserved positive feedback I would have found the extra minute in my day

Feedback may not mean much to some of us who have built up over 1000 positives but I can understand people who don't have that many wanting the ones that they've earned. As a seller I know that I'm more comfortable going into a transaction when my buyers have a good feedback record.

Agreed.

[Griking]

It was the all CAPS message. Even if I was planning to leave feedback that day it won't happen till the end of the week now.

I can't stand caps. I don't care how right someone is. Not saying he is or isn't but I hate CAPS.

LOL We all have our pet peeves I guess. I know I have tons of them that make me do and say stupid things from time to time.



Ebay needs to change the feedback policy. If there is a problem and its not resolved then it should be the option of buyer and seller to leave a negative otherwise all feedbacks should be reguarded as positive.

That's actually not a bad idea. It would make feedback more realistic as people would be more likely to leave a neutral or negative for a bad experience if they knew that the other party would get a positive otherwise. You should email that suggestion to eBay.

[jajaja]

Some ppl write in caps for some reason. Doesnt mean that they are screaming tho. Maybe they think its easier to read.
I see you hate caps, but I wouldnt let the anger on the buyer because he/she wrote in caps. You could just left feedback and said you forgot.

Btw, how often do you get mails like this? If you get them all the time I can understand, but if you get them very rarely I wouldnt used energy on getting pissed over something as small like this.

[GrandAmChandler]

I have gotten similar messages from ebay members:

"OMG WTF, why havent you left feedback!!!11!!"

I just ignore it and do it when I get around to it.

[johno590]

I send e-mails to sellers that don't leave feedback. Im polite when I ask, but I still ask.

I think its just plain lazyness to not leave feedback, and I believe it is part of the transaction.

[Darth Sensei]

Incidentally as a seller I send an e-mail to my buyers asking if they got the item and it was satisfactory because I hadn't yet received feedback.

Even doing that I'm only receiving feedback about 20-25% of the time despite being an excellent seller who ships same day.

[Buyatari]

WHILE YOUR POST IS AMUSING, I STILL THINK YOU'RE ACTING A LITTLE PRICKISH.

Not a little. I'm sure I'm being a big asshole. Too many years in retail has done me in. Telling the customer no has just become second nature.

So yeah basiclly if someone gets upset over something I could care less about instead of getting off my ass to fix it I see it as a huge hassle and refuse. Give them an inch they take a mile kinda deal. The nicer they are about it the more likely I am to do anything for them.

like I said maybe I shouldn't sell on ebay.

[jajaja]

Are you going to stop selling on Ebay just because one user wrote in caps asking you to give him/her feedback?

[sirhansirhan]

I think not leaving feedback at all is relatively key to the extremely flawed eBay feedback system. It's kind of the new neutral, because if you give someone a neutral it looks worse than what it actually is. For example, one time a buyer paid promptly, but made out the money order to the complete wrong name, and then kept bugging me about when he was going to receive it (I shipped it the same day I received the dumb money order, too). I didn't leave him feedback at all, because while he didn't do anything too wrong, he certainly didn't deserve a positive feedback. Incidentally, this buyer nagged me for weeks to give him a positive, which I never did.

[rpepper9]

Got this email today.

I replied with

[quote]Man, don't be such a pain.

Which do you love more, feedback or WRITTING IN ALL CAPS ?

I will leave feedback for you and all the others when I get around to it. Sending out the package safely and in a timely fashion is the important part. Feedback is a joke and is as important as making sure you don't step on a crack while on the sidewalk. Don't fall into the ebay mindgame.

However, thanks for leaving me positive feedback even though I could care less its the thought that counts. I appreciate the effort, one of these days I'll do the same hopefully sometime this week.
Adam

I totally agree with this. Even though you could have left the feedback, who cares? I hate feedback, even though I have a grip of + for a 99.4 rating. I just don't care. I think that the DP forums are great, but I can't stand the people on here who complain about feedback. It happens atlease once a week. Someone complains about getting a - or something. Or how about the people who are afraid to leave the feedback deserved because they are afraid to get a neg. I say it has little or nothing to do with eBay and it is a poor indication of how a seller or a bidder will act.

[/my 2cents]

[jajaja]

I totally agree with this. Even though you could have left the feedback, who cares?

Obviously the buyer hehe :P

I also asked sellers before if they didnt leave me feedback, but now I have a highfeedback rating so it doesnt matter that much anymore.
I always leave feedback after I have tested what I bought and I e-mail the seller telling I have recived the item and that I have given feedback. When I sell I usualy leave feedback as soon as I have sent the stuff.
I fully understand why people ask for feedback.

[kevin_psx]

Wouldn't it have taken less time to just have given him his feedback than it did to write that email response to him saying that you'll do it when you get the time?

Yeah i just ignore those email---hand out feedback at the start of each month. They can wait.

[Whiskers the Wonder Cat]

WHILE YOUR POST IS AMUSING, I STILL THINK YOU'RE ACTING A LITTLE PRICKISH.

I SECOND THAT!

[Kitsune Sniper]

I get a lot of people who never leave feedback. So I don't leave any feedback either.

My total feedback should be well over 100 by now, but eh. I just kinda gave up on everything.

There should be a policy - if the bidder does not leave feedback, it's an automatic positive. :P

[*RichM*]

There should be a policy - if the bidder does not leave feedback, it's an automatic positive. :P

yeah right, at an automatic $1 chargeable fee too by ebay :D

nothing they impose to the benefit of members are without fees charged for it

[Buyatari]

Are you going to stop selling on Ebay just because one user wrote in caps asking you to give him/her feedback?

No not because of one. I'm pretty much fed up with all of eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8252580224

While some of this one was my fault for not being more pro-active this seller doesn't take paypal but never sent me an address to send payment to. The last few requests for this went unanswered.

It turns out sealed NES games on my watch list are reseals. Then we had the guy who refused to sell me the NES collection awhile back and a few who tried to scam me through paypal.

With all the scammers out there we have sellers that bitch about of all things "prompt feedback issuance" wait till he buys a few more things and gets scammed a few times then he will have something bitch about.

[Zing]

Whether you "quit" Ebay or not, I can safely say I will never buy anything from you.

[Buyatari]

Whether you "quit" Ebay or not, I can safely say I will never buy anything from you.

That won't be a problem I can safely say I will never again ship to Canada.

[walrusmonger]

Whether you "quit" Ebay or not, I can safely say I will never buy anything from you.

That won't be a problem I can safely say I will never again ship to Canada.


That's a zing if I've ever seen one hahaha.

[Bluteg]

I've recieved a nuetral for not leaving feedback after two weeks, so I can understand Buyatari completely. Also I had 10 buyers in the past week buy shit from my store and then say "I can only pay with paypal sorry" after I state that I do not accept Paypal in my listing. I'm sick of filling out NPB reports and putting "buyer did not want item" and having to relist. I told one guy off after she/he left a simple message saying in all caps "WHAT IS YOUR PAYPAL ADDRESS, SO I CAN PAY". Oh yeah, 0 feedback member. :roll:

I have another lady who claims I am a scam after she sends a money order for the wrong amount, with a different name. Also she never put an item #, what she was paying for or even a fucking e-mail address, just a MO in an envelope with Ebay written on top flap. It's not like I have over 700 hundred items and have sold over 100 in the past month. I sent her game after I figured it out what it was for and recieving her harassing emails, but I've yet to recieve feedback.

[Buyatari]

I am sure I am overreacting. I was too harsh on this guy but I'm sure he will live. I left him great feedback today so he should be happy. Still it felt good to bitch at someone for all the crap I've had to deal with on ebay and paypal these past few months.

I have been getting screwed so many times on ebay these past few months its not even funny. I had a paypal reversal on a "stolen credit card" for an Xbox 360 shipped to a CONFIRMED address. If this buyer wants to bitch about feedback he needs to find another seller to bitch to because I don't want to hear it right now.

[Bluteg]

I have been getting screwed so many times on ebay these past few months its not even funny. I had a paypal reversal on a "stolen credit card" for an Xbox 360 shipped to a CONFIRMED address.

That is exactly why I don't use paypal anymore. Paypal will refund money to anyone for any reason. They really fuck sellers even though they are the ones paying the fees. I know some people will not buy from me because I will not accept paypal. Too bad for them someone else will. I list items 5-10% below average buying rate as an incentive to cover the costs of money orders and I'm sure I still end up ahead because of my avoidence of the outrageous Paypal fees and buyer scams.

[kevin_psx]

I had a paypal reversal on a "stolen credit card" for an Xbox 360 shipped to a CONFIRMED address.
Dude! that sucks! Did you file mail fraud or hire a lawyer?

[jajaja]

That is exactly why I don't use paypal anymore. Paypal will refund money to anyone for any reason.

Not quite true. I filled out a complaint to Paypal over 1 month ago because I didnt recive 2 PSX games I won on Ebay. 3 January I got a mail from Paypal saying I was going to get a refund and it would take 1-5 business days.
Today its been over 10 business days and I still havnt recived anything.

I contacted Paypal about it and they said this:


As stated within the PayPal User Agreement, the PayPal Buyer Complaint. Policy does not guarantee recovery of your funds, and recovery is done on a best effort basis. The amount refunded to you represents the total amount
PayPal was able to recover from the seller's PayPal Account. Although the claim is closed, the dispute is noted in the seller's account records, and the seller will need to complete the refund to you if he/she wishes to continue the use of PayPal's service.

The seller is also deleted from Ebay now and I still havnt recived anything from the seller or Paypal. It wouldnt suprise me if I dont get any money.

[Zing]

If the seller does not have the full amount you are owed in their Paypal account, you will get nothing.

Over the past year or so, I read about how easily Paypal takes back sellers' money, so I always made sure to empty my account immediately after each round of sales. My Paypal account is currently at negative $176 and has "limited account access" (aka suspended until I deposit $176) due to a buyer filing a Paypal "no receipt" dispute within days of purchase. I sent my shipping info to Paypal, buyer received the item, 30 days later Paypal shuts me down. Whee! Ah well, I can just resign up and get my $5 bonus again!

I QUIT THE EBAY!!!

sike

[Darth Sensei]

Actually, when I had a dispute (as the buyer) a couple of years ago, they not only took all the seller's paypal funds but locked up his checking account.

[Griking]

If the seller does not have the full amount you are owed in their Paypal account, you will get nothing.

This in incorrect. Just last week I filed a chargeback against a seller who never shipped my auction win. PayPal investigated and the seller never responded which resulted in a instant jugement in my favor. Unfortunately (but as expected) the seller had already withdrawn all funds from his PayPal account and PayPal was unable to recover any of my money. Because of PayPal's byer protection policy I was still refunded my payment from PayPal (minus a bullshit $25 PayPal processing cost, but that's a different story). This is all documented in the "Money Back Guarantee" section of PayPal's user agreement which you can find on their website.

[kevin_psx]

PayPal's byer protection policy I was still refunded my payment from PayPal (minus a bullshit $25 PayPal processing cost, but that's a different story).

Please tell the story? $25 processing fee? What kind of protection is that if you don't get back your $25.00 refund?????? :angry:

[Griking]

PayPal's byer protection policy I was still refunded my payment from PayPal (minus a bullshit $25 PayPal processing cost, but that's a different story).

Please tell the story? $25 processing fee? What kind of protection is that if you don't get back your $25.00 refund?????? :angry:

I guess there's really not much to say other than it's another bullshit "screw the customer" PayPal policy. Here's (https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_buyer_complaint-outside) a link to the section in PayPal's User Agreement where it talks about refunds and how PayPal profits off of them.

[kevin_psx]

how PayPal profits off of them.
Reviewed. Paypal doesn't profit 'cause they are paying you more than $25 (a loss). Still sucks you don't get the full refund you deserve.


Might be better off filing through your credit card!!! At least you get the full $$$ value.

[Griking]

how PayPal profits off of them.
Reviewed. Paypal doesn't profit 'cause they are paying you more than $25 (a loss). Still sucks you don't get the full refund you deserve.


Might be better off filing through your credit card!!! At least you get the full $$$ value.

After speaking with PayPal I was told that this was an eBay policy and not a PayPal one. Because the seller didn't quality for one of their protection plans I wouldn't be refunded anything by PayPal if they weren't able to recover any funds. On the other hand, eBay offers buyer protection as well, up to $200 but there's a $25 "processing fee". PayPal who is owned by eBay refunded my money under eBay's policy. It's a lot more confusing then it really should be. They should just come up with one set of terms and guarantees since they're one company now but I suppose I shouldn't complain since I did get a partial refund.

As for going to my credit card company for the balance; can't do it. I pretty much pay for everything my my PayPal balance. Believe it or not PayPal offers a better interest rate (4.30%) than any bank I've come across in my area.

[kevin_psx]

So it's like a flowchart:

- File Dispute
- Win
- Paypal takes money from Seller gives to you
-
- If Seller lacks funds & and you qualify for Buyer Protection= paypal refunds the full amount
-
- If Buyer is not qualified = ebay refunds minus $25 fee.



That's easy to understand. But Paypal does a lousy job explaining it in their user agreement.

[Bronty-2]

I'm starting to think I'm the one that shouldn't be selling on ebay. What is it with people being dicks when you're trying to sell sealed games. Today I got another unsolicited, unprovoked piece of hate mail from "shish0gan":

"$49.99 for this junk?! Nah, you are just a cheat you bloody spastic dickhead!

Go fuck yourself."

--what a lovely email!

And what a fucking jerkoff that guy is.

[jajaja]

I'm starting to think I'm the one that shouldn't be selling on ebay. What is it with people being dicks when you're trying to sell sealed games. Today I got another unsolicited, unprovoked piece of hate mail from "shish0gan":

"$49.99 for this junk?! Nah, you are just a cheat you bloody spastic dickhead!

Go fuck yourself."

--what a lovely email!

And what a fucking jerkoff that guy is.

Translated: I want your item really bad, but cant afford it.
Hehe ;)
Some people are crazy, but just ignore them or ask them what they wanted. Then they usualy dont know what to reply.

[Darth Vader]

Threadcrapping split away from this topic. Griking, Bronty-2 please stick to the topic.

Thank you

Danny

[Blur2040]

I have another lady who claims I am a scam after she sends a money order for the wrong amount, with a different name. Also she never put an item #, what she was paying for or even a fucking e-mail address, just a MO in an envelope with Ebay written on top flap. It's not like I have over 700 hundred items and have sold over 100 in the past month. I sent her game after I figured it out what it was for and recieving her harassing emails, but I've yet to recieve feedback.

Well, it seems like this won't affect you as you seem to be a pretty big seller (selling 100 items a month and all), but she's totally waiting to leave you negative feedback. She's waiting until the last day so she can do it without getting one herself. Give the hag a neg now so you don't forget.

I must agree with buyatari on this whole issue. There are just some people who should be let anywhere near a computer...and whoops, they're all on eBay. I never have problems as I never bitch or whine or moan or threaten. It just makes you look like an idiot, and just begs the kind of response buyatari gave this fewllow. This guy thinks buyatari should be kissing his ass, when in fact, he should be kicking it.

I don't deal with idiots. On the rare occasion that I do sell something online, I make this clear. I don't deal with people who ask dumb questions, can't type, can't spell, or do anything else that makes me fear for the future of the human race. All I ask for is respect and itelligence from my buyers. They get the same in return.

And no, a moron's money isn't as good as non-moron money. Dealing with a moron always costs you more frustration/time/whatever in the long run.

[LinkOracle]

I don't deal with idiots. On the rare occasion that I do sell something online, I make this clear. I don't deal with people who ask dumb questions, can't type, can't spell, or do anything else that makes me fear for the future of the human race. All I ask for is respect and itelligence from my buyers. They get the same in return.

And no, a moron's money isn't as good as non-moron money. Dealing with a moron always costs you more frustration/time/whatever in the long run.

Here's something to lighten up this thread

I am selling a copy of Zelda 2 for NES

I just got a question from someone who has over 100 feedback

do you know if this game fits into the game boy advance sp?

Not only did I get this question once, but somehow they sent the same question twice!!! WOO HOO!!!

[Griking]

I don't deal with idiots. On the rare occasion that I do sell something online, I make this clear. I don't deal with people who ask dumb questions, can't type, can't spell, or do anything else that makes me fear for the future of the human race. All I ask for is respect and itelligence from my buyers. They get the same in return.

And no, a moron's money isn't as good as non-moron money. Dealing with a moron always costs you more frustration/time/whatever in the long run.

Here's something to lighten up this thread

I am selling a copy of Zelda 2 for NES

I just got a question from someone who has over 100 feedback

do you know if this game fits into the game boy advance sp?

Not only did I get this question once, but somehow they sent the same question twice!!! WOO HOO!!!

Put him right into your blocked bidder list because you know there's going to be problems down the road if he wins.

[Insaneclown]

Wow just over feedback...thats retarded. He likes yelling...

Dont give him any feedback. LOL

[Buyatari]

Wow just over feedback...thats retarded. He likes yelling...

Dont give him any feedback.

Ehh I said something like

"He is the greatest Ebayer in the world" or something equally stupid.

I was very temped to post "THIS BUYER LOVES ALL CAPS" but didn't.

Almost feels like first grade and I hate the fact that we are forced to paly along. Ok Johnny now you say something nice about Sarah. Sarah you say something nice about Julie. We will go around the whole room taking up an hour of time. This way we will all feel good about ourselves and will forget about the bad things on eBay.