PSP Outselling Nintendo DS in North America

[SEGA-SAMMY]

http://gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/D27174DA-98D2-46D4-AD1B-A532FB93694E.htm
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2006/01/handheld_unit_s.html


I'm really surprised. I was under the assumption it was the other way around. :eek 2:

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[Slipdeath]

Hmm...maybe MercuryNews are dumbasses?

[hezeuschrist]

The only region where the DS has a commanding lead over the PSP is Japan. In both Europe and North America it's been a neck and neck race since a couple months after the PSP launch.

I expect the DS to continue gaining over the PSP in ever region as there are still big titles expected out for it and the PSP has yet to create any hype about future titles.

[Cmtz]

Actually last week the PSP beat out the DS in Japan.

http://joystiq.com/2006/01/13/psp-tops-ds-in-japan/

[hezeuschrist]

Which is largely due to the fact that the DS is nearly sold out across the entire nation.

[petewhitley]

Hmm...maybe MercuryNews are dumbasses?

Or maybe, just maybe, the opinions of the Digital Press forum members do not necessarily reflect those of the public at large. Heaven forbid the PPS outsell the DS for 2005.

[segagamer4life]

Hmm...maybe MercuryNews are dumbasses?

Or maybe, just maybe, the opinions of the Digital Press forum members do not necessarily reflect those of the public at large. Heaven forbid the PPS outsell the DS for 2005.


lol.... well it seems there is a big N following around here, I have seen more disdain for the PSP here than I ever expected. I know some of the people here are waiting for that Killer APP for the PSP, but GTA on the PSP is more fun than MK:DS and electroplankton anyday in my opinion, not to say that the DS isn't fun, it is fun and fast and its pick up and playablilty is a neat function, if you don't care about graphics, then the DS is the perfect handheld.

[hezeuschrist]

Hmm...maybe MercuryNews are dumbasses?

Or maybe, just maybe, the opinions of the Digital Press forum members do not necessarily reflect those of the public at large. Heaven forbid the PPS outsell the DS for 2005.


lol.... well it seems there is a big N following around here, I have seen more disdain for the PSP here than I ever expected. I know some of the people here are waiting for that Killer APP for the PSP, but GTA on the PSP is more fun than MK:DS and electroplankton anyday in my opinion, not to say that the DS isn't fun, it is fun and fast and its pick up and playablilty is a neat function, if you don't care about graphics, then the DS is the perfect handheld.

not only does it not have any killer app, it doesn't have any exclusive apps. Lumines is still the best game for the system that you can't get (or will be able to get) anywhere else. There are a couple of RPG's I want to get but the pricetag is simply way too high.

[GrayFox]

Which is largely due to the fact that the DS is nearly sold out across the entire nation.

The DS was pretty damn close to beating out the PSP that week too, which is just ridiculous.

In Japan, this handheld war is over, period. Japanese people are crazy, and the DS has a library full of crazy games for them. Bingo. Perfect match.

Nevertheless, I can't believe its still this close in America.

[segagamer4life]

Killer app, no maybe not, but GTA looks and is better and more fun than MK, the best the DS has to offer. And while the games are pricey, you pay close to the same price for a DS game, while you can spend 10 or sometimes 5 bucks more and get a PSP game that is superior to the DS, socom is one game that comes to mind. 39 bucks for socom, a great port of a PS2 game, or 34.99 for a MK which is a repro of the n64 game with some GC and GBA courses thrown in for good measure. My gripe is that if you complain about the PSP price tag, then bitch about the gba, why is Mario Tennis 34.99 the same price as a DS title, if anything is wrong with pricing, its nintendo's pricing, they prices for GBA and DS games are close to that of first party PSP games, which are technologically superior. So if you hate paying for PSP games then you should be kicking yourself for paying as much for a DS or GBA game.

[Slipdeath]

If you guys knew anything anything about handhelds you would know that the Gizmondo has the best games and is outselling the DS and the PSP combined....IN ALL REGIONS!!! You did know that right?

[mgriff]

uhh...psp has Outrun Coast-To-Coast coming out for it and also a port of the Initial D V3 Arcade Game which is going to kick ass

[hezeuschrist]

Killer app, no maybe not, but GTA looks and is better and more fun than MK, the best the DS has to offer. And while the games are pricey, you pay close to the same price for a DS game, while you can spend 10 or sometimes 5 bucks more and get a PSP game that is superior to the DS, socom is one game that comes to mind. 39 bucks for socom, a great port of a PS2 game, or 34.99 for a MK which is a repro of the n64 game with some GC and GBA courses thrown in for good measure. My gripe is that if you complain about the PSP price tag, then bitch about the gba, why is Mario Tennis 34.99 the same price as a DS title, if anything is wrong with pricing, its nintendo's pricing, they prices for GBA and DS games are close to that of first party PSP games, which are technologically superior. So if you hate paying for PSP games then you should be kicking yourself for paying as much for a DS or GBA game.

Uhh, what? $5-$15 (or even $20 at times) per game adds up, VERY quickly.

And I was refering to the system, you know, the one that costs twice as much as the DS?

EDIT: As for GTA being better than Mario Kart because it looks better, uhh, what? Are you 10? I tired of GTA and it's rehashed gameplay by the end of Vice City, so I personally have absolutely no desire to play LCS or even San Andreas. Telling me that Mario Kart isn't as good as a game I think blows is assanine.

[Leo_A]

This reflects what I've experienced working here in NY state more than the DS hype over the past few months.

Wrote off the PSP beating the DS around here to regional differences due to the comments I've read here, but it appears it's doing well overall in comparison to the DS.

[kedawa]

I think once the PSP gets some more quality games, like Extreme Ghouls'n'Ghosts, Outrun 2006, and Loco Roco, I could understand wanting one, but by that time, DS will likely have Metroid Prime Hunters, Super Princess Peach, New SMB, and another Castlevania.

I don't want to see either system trounce the other, and I hope the handheld market sees a strong healthy competition between PSP and DS.

I doubt the DS would have half as many quality games if it weren't for the looming threat of the PSP taking its marketshare.

[segagamer4life]

Uhh, what? $5-$15 (or even $20 at times) per game adds up, VERY quickly.

And I was refering to the system, you know, the one that costs twice as much as the DS?

EDIT: As for GTA being better than Mario Kart because it looks better, uhh, what? Are you 10? I tired of GTA and it's rehashed gameplay by the end of Vice City, so I personally have absolutely no desire to play LCS or even San Andreas. Telling me that Mario Kart isn't as good as a game I think blows is assanine.

Mario Kart is nice, but you have to appreciate the power of a system that can run a polished port of a PS2 game like GTA, wether or not your tired of the GTA gameplay, is a mute point, the same can be said for the rehashed gameplay of Mario Kart DS, they sure as hell didn't REVOLUTIONIZE that title for the DS... but anyway, graphics are a big part of gaming, no one wants to play a game that isn't asthetically pleasing. Back to the price issue, some games are 20, but others go for 29-35, thats close damn close to PSP prices its apples and oranges, 25 dollars for some rehashed n64 calibur games, or 40-50 for PS1-PS2 games. Your choice.

[rbudrick]

If you guys knew anything anything about handhelds you would know that the Gizmondo has the best games and is outselling the DS and the PSP combined....IN ALL REGIONS!!! You did know that right?

Hmm, that would explain why I've never actually seen one in stores.

-Rob

[hezeuschrist]

I think once the PSP gets some more quality games, like Extreme Ghouls'n'Ghosts, Outrun 2006, and Loco Roco, I could understand wanting one, but by that time, DS will likely have Metroid Prime Hunters, Super Princess Peach, New SMB, and another Castlevania.

I don't want to see either system trounce the other, and I hope the handheld market sees a strong healthy competition between PSP and DS.

I doubt the DS would have half as many quality games if it weren't for the looming threat of the PSP taking its marketshare.

I'm not so sure about that, the entire Gameboy line went uncontested for most of it's existence (except for the period of the Gamegear) and it's always had amazing titles.

[segagamer4life]

I'm not so sure about that, the entire Gameboy line went uncontested for most of it's existence (except for the period of the Gamegear) and it's always had amazing titles.


amazing titles for the gb...just out of curiosity what "amazing games" are you refering to? Like FINAL FANTASY? Metroid? Just curious.

[hezeuschrist]

Hey guy, I get it. You're a shortsighted guy who owns a PSP and refuses to believe Nintendo makes a worthwhile handheld experience.

Congratulations, welcome to the mass population.

[poloplayr]

Segagamer4life, I'm truly sorry but you seem to bring in an element to this forum, which I thought was something we were spared of.

The average member here is older and smarter than the average gamer, more educated when it comes to gaming history and what makes a "good game". This usually brings up the level of discussion and maturity. I stand corrected.

[Leo_A]

Hardly hezeuschrist , saying the PSP is doing better than the DP message board makes it out to be is hardly fitting of that comment.

Calling you a Nintendo fanboy in response is about as useful a reply as the one you just made.

(Unless your comment was made toward segagamer4life's reply that seems to hint that the Game Boy line doesn't have any amazing titles, he had a good argument going until he said that)

[hezeuschrist]

The discussion was obviously pointless and completely one sided. I have no bias against the PSP, it just doesn't interest me, at least not for that price. I will own one eventually, that's a fact.

And my reply was useful. It ended the conversation upon the realization that he's going to dig, and dig, and dig, and it's fruitless (as always) to try and make him see that making blanket statements like "GTA is better than Mario Kart" is completely ignorant.

If he wants to wallow in his own stupidity I'm going to let him, and will not be joining him.

[goatdan]

Mario Kart is nice, but you have to appreciate the power of a system that can run a polished port of a PS2 game like GTA, wether or not your tired of the GTA gameplay, is a mute point...

And you have to appreciate the power of a system that can run a polished port of a GameCube game like Mario Kart... which takes some of its levels in slightly stripped down form from the GameCube game.

You're both being complete fanboys and not really adding anything to the conversation. Please stop.

Anyway, I would just like to point out that these numbers make sense. The PSP launched in North America this year. The launch sold something like 600,000 consoles in a day and about a million in a week or two. Since then, the race has been neck and neck.

The DS launched a year earlier and sold how many consoles last year? Someone has to have the numbers... I believe it was 2 million-ish in North America, which would put the DS sales "ahead" of the PSP by approximately 800,000 in North America still.

But the PSP was released later.

It's neck and neck and always has been. I think the DS probably had a better last few months, but the PSP had a very solid launch.

[Leo_A]

Well it depends on how you view his second reply. It came off like he was talking from a technical viewpoint, and certainly the PSP GTA game is more impressive in that aspect. But judging from his initial post saying GTA was the better game, and then hinting that the entire GameBoy line doesn't have any impressive games should say it all, he's someone to be ignored.

But Mario Kart DS wins in the fun department for me. :)

"And you have to appreciate the power of a system that can run a polished port of a GameCube game like Mario Kart... which takes some of its levels in slightly stripped down form from the GameCube game. "

Too bad the online component isn't completely there yet. I hope they eventually can enable most of the tracks to be online compatible, and bring battle mode online for at least 2 player matches.

[segagamer4life]

Hey guy, I get it. You're a shortsighted guy who owns a PSP and refuses to believe Nintendo makes a worthwhile handheld experience.

Congratulations, welcome to the mass population.

alright easy does it there, I like the DS... and I appreciate it for what it is, but the THEME on these boards is that the PSP is over priced and so are the games, but thats rediculous since the DS games SOME of them, are over priced. and to the guy who said the DS has a port of the gamecube levels of mario kart double dash.... are you smoking pot, the graphics are trash compared to the gamecube, I like mario kart and even I can admit that the levels are less than the quality of the N64 version, but anyway, I am a sega fan boy, not a PSP or DS fanboy. But I was trying to understand why people bash the PSP's pricing, aside from the system which 250 is warrented since its more like a ps2. Compare that to a DS which isn't even like an N64. But I am not here to fight, I was here to have a nice discussion, but N-fanboys take offense when you say anything contrary to what they love about Nintendo.

[Leo_A]

Worse than Mario Kart 64? Not by a long shot I'd say, though they're definately inferior to Double Dash.

[segagamer4life]

sorry man, play them side by side you'll see, better still try the same levels on each and they look nothing like each other. the DS is no better than the 64, a 10 year old system, thats my gripe, the gba, as nice and portable as it is, is nothing more than a portable snes, I can do the same w/ homebrew on the PSP, w/ other emulation as well, so advantage PSP.

[Leo_A]

Sorry but while they've very similar, the DS is more powerful just like the GBA can do stuff the Super Nintendo couldn't even approach.

Mario Kart DS and Super Mario 64 DS (Only examples I have on hand to do comparisons) are definately improved visually over the N64 versions graphically. Mario Kart DS's textures seem to have higher resolutions, and a better frame rate and sense of speed.

And the small screen makes them look that much better.

[hezeuschrist]

sorry man, play them side by side you'll see, better still try the same levels on each and they look nothing like each other. the DS is no better than the 64, a 10 year old system, thats my gripe, the gba, as nice and portable as it is, is nothing more than a portable snes, I can do the same w/ homebrew on the PSP, w/ other emulation as well, so advantage PSP.

So uh, do the games factor into your decisions at all?

[segagamer4life]

ok, see I have played SMB 64 and 64 DS side by side and the DS ver, I thought was inferior, but I enjoy the ability to play those games on the go, but MK:DS and SMB 64 DS, look nice. So I will leave it at that. And the GBA and DS, can and may be more powerful than their console equivalent, but I felt that the GBA, never reached its full potential, there were some gems, but for the most part it was underdeveloped for, in my book.

[segagamer4life]

sorry man, play them side by side you'll see, better still try the same levels on each and they look nothing like each other. the DS is no better than the 64, a 10 year old system, thats my gripe, the gba, as nice and portable as it is, is nothing more than a portable snes, I can do the same w/ homebrew on the PSP, w/ other emulation as well, so advantage PSP.

So uh, do the games factor into your decisions at all?


why yes they do, does anything, other than the company name (NINTENDO) influence your decision making process?

[hezeuschrist]

This is why I insult you on a personal level, because you have no clue whats going on.

[goatdan]

I like mario kart and even I can admit that the levels are less than the quality of the N64 version

Um, since you asked it of me, "Are you smoking pot?" While I'm not going to comment on the main tracks because I haven't played much of the N64 version, the custom DS tracks look absolutely amazing and are near the level of the GameCube tracks, in my opinion. Especially the pinball and clock levels.

I'm not saying, by the way, that the PSP isn't more graphically powerful than the DS. But I am saying that the difference is not night and day like you say it is. The DS is definitely less powerful, but it isn't an ugly system by any means.

[segagamer4life]

I like mario kart and even I can admit that the levels are less than the quality of the N64 version

Um, since you asked it of me, "Are you smoking pot?" While I'm not going to comment on the main tracks because I haven't played much of the N64 version, the custom DS tracks look absolutely amazing and are near the level of the GameCube tracks, in my opinion. Especially the pinball and clock levels.

I'm not saying, by the way, that the PSP isn't more graphically powerful than the DS. But I am saying that the difference is not night and day like you say it is. The DS is definitely less powerful, but it isn't an ugly system by any means.


your right, I don't say th DS is an UGLY system, its just INFERIOR plain and simple. Thats a simple fact, yes the controls and games may have issues, but its still superior to the DS, in many ways, not vice versa.

[segagamer4life]

This is why I insult you on a personal level, because you have no clue whats going on.


oh wise one, please help me get a clue, how can I join the nintendo dark side....

[googlefest1]

why jump on a guy that feels jaded by a system -- the way i see it - is that hes tired of ports of older games -- i think he just wants to see more "new" "exclusive" "original" games on the DS. Games that take more advantage of the new features of the system (if you consider the DS a N64 with new features)

Im sure he has the same gripes about the PSP - i think he just sees more original games or the potential for more original games on the psp becasue of the history of the GBA which had a ton of snes ports.

It also looks like he may have hoped that the DS would have been an original new system with new hardware instead of a rehash of an older system

its not like hes married to one system ( like many people here are) - i belive he said he plays both (im pretty sure he did)

I personlaly dont like the DS becasue it wasnt made for me - i realy realy wish the screens were reversed and i don't like the idea of the touch screen

i dont like the psp becasue i don't like the control in some of the games i played on it

but if i had a $400 and a gun pointed at my head forceing me to buy one and some asociated products i would proabbly choose the psp just becasue i think the potential is there for it to be better - especialy it being disk based

i know if i chose the DS i could have the nanostray game ive been salivating for but thats it

its the dudes opinion based on his own colection - how can you call him a fanboy if he has both?


i just hate to see someone picked on making thought out arguments instead of just saying something sucks over and over again

[petewhitley]

I like mario kart and even I can admit that the levels are less than the quality of the N64 version

Um, since you asked it of me, "Are you smoking pot?" While I'm not going to comment on the main tracks because I haven't played much of the N64 version, the custom DS tracks look absolutely amazing and are near the level of the GameCube tracks, in my opinion. Especially the pinball and clock levels.

I'm a huge Mario Kart fan and have played all versions extensively, and IMO the DS track selection is the best ever. Nintendo did some programming magic to get them to look that good. I'd love to see a unique kart-based racer with Wi-Fi on the PSP. Both of these systems need to make better use of Wi-Fi capabilities.

[zerohero]

Which is largely due to the fact that the DS is nearly sold out across the entire nation.

Word

[unwinddesign]

Both systems have major issues. I can't play either without my hands cramping. To make matters worse, the PSP's games are pretty much PS2 games with crappier graphics, and the DS ones are N64 games with some BS touchscreen support.

Seriously, I had both, sold both, and have not regretted it one bit. Actually, I take that back. I used my PSP as an MP3 player. Other than that, I think it got 10 hours of use. Same deal with the DS. They're neat to play around with, but god damn, if I want to sit down and play a lengthy game, I'm not going to do it on either. My hand might just fall off.

[petewhitley]

In Japan, this handheld war is over, period. Japanese people are crazy, and the DS has a library full of crazy games for them. Bingo. Perfect match.

Nevertheless, I can't believe its still this close in America.

At a year and a half into their life-cycles, and selling neck and neck for the majority of the last year, the war is so NOT over in Japan. Right now it looks as though the market both there and here (not to mention Europe) can and will support two hugely successful handheld platforms. And I don't really understand why you'd be surprised that the industry leader Sony would be close in a handheld race ...

[segagamer4life]

Both systems have major issues. I can't play either without my hands cramping. To make matters worse, the PSP's games are pretty much PS2 games with crappier graphics, and the DS ones are N64 games with some BS touchscreen support.

Seriously, I had both, sold both, and have not regretted it one bit. Actually, I take that back. I used my PSP as an MP3 player. Other than that, I think it got 10 hours of use. Same deal with the DS. They're neat to play around with, but god damn, if I want to sit down and play a lengthy game, I'm not going to do it on either. My hand might just fall off.


I have experienced the hand cramping on both as well, I was looking into an adapter they made for the PSP, which was a joy-stick, cradle handle thing, but it was too bulky for me and I opted not to get it, but yeah hand cramping is the norm for PSP and DS use.

[SEGA-SAMMY]

edit... never mind

[dbiersdorf]

I find it odd that no one has brought up the fact that the PSP is outselling the DS with little to no software releases in the month of December. And even then so the DS had Animal Crossing released in early December, which obviously wasn't enough to push it up over the PSP. While I commend Sony for managing to come into the market and gain some form of share, it can't be a good sign to developers when their games are not selling.

Look at this way, why would you develop for the PSP when it's lest complicated, and less costly on the DS? Not to mention the profit margain is much larger on the DS, and since the DS' only function is to play games their titles are more then likely going to sell better on the DS when compared to the PSP (that is unless you're EA or some other mainstream company).

The thing is hardly any software on the PSP has reached any significant figure other then maybe GTA. It's obvious people in the US (and Japan too) are buying it for it's multimedia functions (which could explain the high UMD sales), but when game developers aren't getting the attention they deserve, when do they call it quits on the system? Outside of maybe Capcom, and possibly some in house Sony stuff (Daxter comes to mind) I'm really not seeing much in terms of loyal game developing on the PSP.

However with the DS we've already seen a variety of new types of games that have actually managed a good amount of sales (Pheonix Wright pushed $1 million in sales for Capcom), people are willing to try new things on the DS, not to mention the mainstream stuff still pushes units as well. From a developer standpoint I can't see how you could go wrong with the DS so long as your concept was fairly decent and gained a fair amount of press (so yeah, obviously Whac-a-Mole and Ford Racing don't fit this).

I think taking risks on the PSP in the first year were to be expected by developers, but how long can they go taking hit after hit with low sales figures? Top it off with low shelf space in stores due to UMD movies I smell gloom for the PSP in the near future. I'm not saying the system won't sell, but software at the point is pretty bad, and it doesn't seem there is much to bring it out of the hole it's already dug.

My two cents anyway.

[zerohero]

IMO, the DS seems to be more inovative, while the PSP is more of a show off toy. "Look i can do this", but after the 100th time it's not so cool. If the DS was able to play MP3 music, I'd say it would own sony's PSP all over the place. But they choose to make it a completly gaming portable only, with the exceptoin of a few "chat " elements.

On the other hand, if sony would really push the PSP besides bringing out rehashes of games we played 5 years ago, I think it would be a neck, and neck fight.

[hezeuschrist]

I find it odd that no one has brought up the fact that the PSP is outselling the DS with little to no software releases in the month of December.

I attribute a lot of that to holiday "cash/gift" sales. I worked on Christmas day and sold all but one of our PSP's to kids with $100 bills and gift cards. This continued through into January when we got a big shipment (I think 10 or so) that will now sit there until next christmas.

A lot of people weren't willing to spend their own money on it but are alright with spending a bunch of someone elses money on it.

The thing is, when someone would buy one they'd almost never buy anything with it. No games, sometimes a carrying case. And when people did buy them with games, they got used copies of launch titles.

Interesting to say the least, and definitely higher sales for the PSP than the Gamecube in my personal experience in my (thank god) last days as a retail merchant.

[Cmtz]

Popolocrois rocks for the PSP. Nuff said.

[segagamer4life]

Popolocrois rocks for the PSP. Nuff said.



hell yeah great PSP RPG......

[goatdan]

I'm a huge Mario Kart fan and have played all versions extensively, and IMO the DS track selection is the best ever. Nintendo did some programming magic to get them to look that good. I'd love to see a unique kart-based racer with Wi-Fi on the PSP. Both of these systems need to make better use of Wi-Fi capabilities.

I don't know. The more I've played it, while the tracks are all extremely fun, the more that I find that I still feel the original was the best balanced of them all.

I do completely agree with you about the WiFi comment. Why more games haven't come out for both systems that feature WiFi things is beyond me. Especially considering that Nintendo registered something crazy (I seem to recall over half) of the Mario Kart DS owners went online with it the week it was released, you'd think it would be a no brainer to start including on other releases. Metriod and Tetris will be nice, but it would be way cooler if many of the same other games offered the same thing. Meteos and Advance Wars DS are the biggest two with an absence of an online mode, in my opinion. They came out before it was official, but they need some games like that.

[Xizer]

GTA: LCS better than MK DS? Hah! It feels like a damn slideshow with that slow ass framerate. And the motion blur. Can't see shit because it looks like it's been smeared all over the screen.

And don't get me started on the crapass control scheme.

[rjohnson]

In the various (4) PAWN SHOPS that i hit lookin fer stuff...

the DS sells the moment it hits the floor.... yesterday there was a STACK of PSPs there... even the folks that work there don't buy them.... too expensive... not many games...

The PSP is a movie player with gaming added to it... and with PC connection, a pirated software toy.

the DS is a game machine that has a pretty decent catalog (including the GBA games)...

they both have pluses and minuses...

IF the DS was LCD lit like the GBA SP 2.... where would the numbers be.....

[zektor]

There is no question that the PSP outdoes the DS in terms of graphic capability, and in turn will have the ability to play some incredible games in the near future...but they are unfortunately not here right now. I know, GTA, Lumines...there are a few goodies...but it is slow coming. My PSP has been collecting alot of dust because of this.

But, if it is true that the DS is outselling the PSP (not sure on this, but just saying), it is my opinion that it is because of the game lineup of course, but even more because of that PRICE. For the price of the PSP, somebody can almost get an XBox 360....well...at least they'd have money to put toward it. They can buy a PS2 and some games. They can buy a Gamecube and a nice set of titles. Same with the original Xbox.

Ok, but let us say the demographic that will even consider the PSP is entirely devoted to handheld, portable gaming. I am in this category. I could care less about home consoles. I am on the go, want to play, and this is the route I am going to take. So, which will I choose? PSP for $250 with no games, or $150 for a DS with a game? Hmm...

I think the gamer on the go is not really expecting their mobile experience to be PS2 quality graphics (although it is nice) and moreover are not going to pay $100 more just for that alone....unless they are an electronic's head, like myself. More will go for the handheld that is less expensive, as long as the graphics are good and the games are fun. The DS has both of these characteristics under it's belt.

I love em both, but this is what I believe is happening currently. It is actually good all around, since there will most likeley be a great handheld battle in 2006, with some kick ass games coming our way!

[Muscelli]

calm down guys, everybody has their preferneces...

There is no better game or system.. Its like fighting over which color is better... It is all based off of preference.. You aren't going to change anybodys minds, so why even bother? You guys are defending portable video game systems, not ur family :P

Just a reminder

[Leo_A]

"IF the DS was LCD lit like the GBA SP 2.... where would the numbers be....."

It is basically, even though its just slightly dimmer than the SP2 and Micro.

The people I've spoken to that are actually aware of the redesigned backlit SP2 just assume its using DS type screens. People aware of the difference are few and far between, so its not hard to assume the numbers would be just like they are right now.

[Griking]

Mario Kart is nice, but you have to appreciate the power of a system that can run a polished port of a PS2 game like GTA,

I haven't purchased a PSP yet because its price it still way to high for me plus the fact that I don't WANT a handheld to play "ports of PS2 games". If I want to play a port of a PS2 game I'll just play my PS2. Power isn't the primary reason I buy a handheld. Honestly I bought my DS because every other console seems to have turned their backs on 2D games

[Nature Boy]

The reason it's not worth posting sales numbers? It turnes into a "GTA vs MK" debate. :roll:

(For the record, you're all morons - stick to the topic at hand!)

I find the PSP sales numbers in Japan make the most sense of all - why *shouldn't* a system that is 1/3rd of the price outsell it's competition? Pricing is half the battle. But the kiddie thing, IMO, really hurts Nintendo here.

[segagamer4life]

(For the record, you're all morons - stick to the topic at hand!)

don't hold back let us know how you really feel :D

[HarvestDude]

Truly amazing. But i think GBA sales shouldn´t be compared to PSP sales. GBA´s been available on the market long before PSP, and being counted since its first version.

But i´m really impressed by those numbers. Does anyone have worldwide sales numbers?

HarvestDude

[EricRyan34]

This news dosnt really surprise me at all, the PSP is quite the system, lots to do on it, and it still outsells the DS even with a price tag $100 higher!

[Cmtz]

New numbers are in for Japan.

DS: 64,515 (210,177)
PSP: 38,271 (228,714)
PS2: 26,271 (146,097)
GBASP: 7,912 (35,338)
GBM: 4,653 (22,813)
GC: 4,490 (23,378)
X360: 3,616 (17,200
GBA: 236 (1,033)
Xbox: 83 (358)

[hezeuschrist]

Week (Month) ?

[Zubiac666]

New numbers are in for Japan.

DS: 64,515 (210,177)
PSP: 38,271 (228,714)
PS2: 26,271 (146,097)
GBASP: 7,912 (35,338)
GBM: 4,653 (22,813)
GC: 4,490 (23,378)
X360: 3,616 (17,200
GBA: 236 (1,033)
Xbox: 83 (358)

DS is again ahead although it's still sold out.
You have to recognize that japan retailers have to import US DSes (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/japan-importing-american-dses-to-satisfy-consumer-demand-149864.php) and sell them(for 19, 800 yen!!) and they STILL sell.

off-topic rofl:
xbox360 is t3h d3ad in japan(not to speak of xbox).

[Hep038]

This discussion should have stopped after this post. But the haters could not resist.


Or maybe, just maybe, the opinions of the Digital Press forum members do not necessarily reflect those of the public at large. Heaven forbid the PPS outsell the DS for 2005.

[DeputyMoniker]

I'm glad we talked about this again.

[jsiucho]

I dont know who is outselling who, but everytime I go to a Game Store they always have plenty used DS and few or none used PSPs.




JS

[Nature Boy]

I dont know who is outselling who, but everytime I go to a Game Store they always have plenty used DS and few or none used PSPs.

FWIW, I can't imagine the trade in value you'd get for a PSP over a DS. I wouldn't even *consider* trading in something as new and pricey as a PSP at one of those places - it'd be like a kick in the teeth!

(Of course they might give decent money, but I'd guess otherwise obviously)

[hezeuschrist]

I dont know who is outselling who, but everytime I go to a Game Store they always have plenty used DS and few or none used PSPs.

FWIW, I can't imagine the trade in value you'd get for a PSP over a DS. I wouldn't even *consider* trading in something as new and pricey as a PSP at one of those places - it'd be like a kick in the teeth!

(Of course they might give decent money, but I'd guess otherwise obviously)

At gamerush we gave $170 for JUST the system w/charger. No headphones, mem stick, or any of that crap. If you chose to trade that stuff in you'd get whatever you get for those items, came out to about total $200 for a trade in of a value pack, but it's considerably less now, probably closer to $180 for the entire thing.

[Nature Boy]

At gamerush we gave $170 for JUST the system w/charger. No headphones, mem stick, or any of that crap. If you chose to trade that stuff in you'd get whatever you get for those items, came out to about total $200 for a trade in of a value pack, but it's considerably less now, probably closer to $180 for the entire thing.

That's not as bad as I suspected. I suppose if it *was* that bad you'd never get people trading anything in, which means you don't make any money which is *really* bad :)

[fishsandwich]

On a related note, I've really been enjoying my new N-Gage.

http://www.jahshaka.com/welcome/graphics/jahplayer_ngage.jpg

<ducks rotten fruit and insults>

I thought about getting a PSP but I can't justify it right now at its price point and the small selection of games (I'm dying to play Twisted Metal, though.) The DS didn't appeal to me at first (I think its buttons and controller are all too small and feel cheap) but the quality of the games cannot be denied.

Still, I played Ashen on my N-Gage for well over two hours last night. It's a FPS like Quake (only with more light.) Each level seems to be divided up into two parts with one save point. There are no life pick-ups... only armor. This certainly adds some strategy. If you make it to the half-way mark and save but have no life left you won't make it through the second part. This encourages you to go back and get really good at the first part, save with all your life intact, and then continue. I'm rambling. Sorry. Here are some pictures. Get back to slapping each other about the PSP and DS and i'll just sit here with my crappy N-Gage.


http://www.ngagegaming.com/gdb/images/EpZEyZFylFACoyAqkx/Ashen_1_640.jpg
http://www.ngagegaming.com/gdb/images/EpZEyZFylFACoyAqkx/Ashen_2_640.jpg
http://www.ngagegaming.com/gdb/images/EpZEyZFylFACoyAqkx/Ashen_5_640.jpg
http://www.ngagegaming.com/gdb/images/EpZEyZFylFACoyAqkx/Ashen_6_640.jpg
http://www.ngagegaming.com/gdb/images/EpZEyZFylFACoyAqkx/Ashen_9_500.jpg

[Zubiac666]

On a related note, I've really been enjoying my new N-Gage.

http://www.jahshaka.com/welcome/graphics/jahplayer_ngage.jpg

<ducks rotten fruit and insults>

I thought about getting a PSP but I can't justify it right now at its price point and the small selection of games (I'm dying to play Twisted Metal, though.) The DS didn't appeal to me at first (I think its buttons and controller are all too small and feel cheap) but the quality of the games cannot be denied.

Still, I played Ashen on my N-Gage for well over two hours last night. It's a FPS like Quake (only with more light.) Each level seems to be divided up into two parts with one save point. There are no life pick-ups... only armor. This certainly adds some strategy. If you make it to the half-way mark and save but have no life left you won't make it through the second part. This encourages you to go back and get really good at the first part, save with all your life intact, and then continue. I'm rambling. Sorry. Here are some pictures. Get back to slapping each other about the PSP and DS and i'll just sit here with my crappy N-Gage.



yeah it's a nice FPS!
I played it too.The good thing is that you do NOT need a N-gage for playing it.You can play it on nearly every new Nokia cellphone(with some tricks).I do that.
anyways....the few good titles for ngage are nothing against
PSP(hopefully soon) and (especialy) DS'es mountain of great and unique games.