price check american snes ISSS

[Arthur-Otaku]

Which is the market value of us version of snes international super star soccer with box and manual

[Arthur-Otaku]

c´mon guys, anyone can give some seconds for this information?

[badinsults]

You might get into some arguments with people who claim it was never released in the Americas. If you could get us some scans to prove its existance, then that would help.

[Arthur-Otaku]

You might get into some arguments with people who claim it was never released in the Americas. If you could get us some scans to prove its existance, then that would help.

It was released in US, this title is common here in Brazil, Brazil = soccer country

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/jm/img?s=MLB&f=39241896_5766.jpg&v=O

[hydr0x]

haha esrb rating, although the artwork and design looks a little fishy overall

[Arthur-Otaku]

haha esrb rating, although the artwork and design looks a little fishy overall

This isn't original?

[vintagegamecrazy]

What's the part number on the cart, I'm curious?

[Arthur-Otaku]

if is pirate, forget it, this is an crap lol

[badinsults]

haha esrb rating, although the artwork and design looks a little fishy overall

I see nothing glaringly wrong with it. If it was a pirate, there would be something obvious.


At any rate, although it is a rare game, it is a sports game, nontheless. I wouldn't value it at more than $15-$20.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I'm still curious to see what the part number is it should be something like sns-???-usa or something, that may shed some light on the question.

[hydr0x]

I'm still curious to see what the part number is it should be something like sns-???-usa or something, that may shed some light on the question.

well, considering the ESRB rating it has to be USA, because that one is not used in Latin America. if it wouldn't have a ESRB Rating i'd say LTN is possible as code, but not this way imho

[vintagegamecrazy]

well, considering the ESRB rating it has to be USA, because that one is not used in Latin America. if it wouldn't have a ESRB Rating i'd say LTN is possible as code, but not this way imho

I don't understand what your saying, please explain.

[hydr0x]

ESRB ratings aren't used in Latin American, at least afaik, so usually an ESRB rating hints at a US release. US releases have the -USA code. Latin America only releases had the code -LTN, but no ESRB rating iirc.

[vintagegamecrazy]

That seems like an official game (non pirate) we need to do more research into this to see if it is legit or not, it would be a great find if it is legit.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Has anymore info surfaced for this game? I would love to prove this game as being real or not, if it's real then it would be the rarest Snes release in the states and would be worth a lot more than 15-20 dollars.

Can anybody shed some light on this game?

[suppafly]

I´ve seen hundreds of pirate games here in mexico. And that pic looks kind of fishy to me. I wouldnt be so sure its an original game!

[Sailorneorune]

There appears to be a part number in the top right hand corner of the instruction manual...

arthur - could you take a close-up picture of the manual, and maybe a picture of the back of the box? That may help put this argument to rest.

[badinsults]

Of course, the best way to tell if it is a pirate or not is to open it up and see what the rom chip is. If it is in the format SNS-xx-0 or something, it is definitely legit.

As for the ESRB thing, I believe it is on all releases in the Americas. For instance, the ESRB tag is on Canadian games, even though the ESRB is an American council.

[udisi]

I thought the nintendo seal of quality was always oval on US releases, the seal on this is circular. Conflict with esrb?

[Nes]

I'm convinced that ISSS was released legitimately in the Americas. We already have the evidence from the gaming mag that it was all set for release. They just decided to sell the cartridge where there was a bigger market instead of letting them collect dust in the US and Canada.

[udisi]

well I've reseached this a bit now too and here are my possible conclusions.

1)It's a Boot--If it is a boot is very well done because these do have boxes and USA liscense numbers, etc.

2)It's a legitamate release never released in America. May have been ligitamtly produced and shipped to Brazil, Mexico, etc, But was never released in the USA according to nintendo's offical USA pdf game lists(not the crappy master list on their webpage) they have pdf lists for nes, snes, and N64. The Snes pdf doesn't not include this title nor the a US liscenee for this game. You can see the pdf for youself here. If you check their pdf's you'll noticed no unliscensed games appear, these are only offically liscensed games.

Now I started out thinking this game was offical due to the USA liscense number and the fact that everything with the game seemed kosher except for the cirular seal of quality which is not normal for US releases, except early NES release which had a circular black seal. Since I noticed the seal I've been trying to find the true answer to this question, and I found the pdf's. I'm still trying to dig through Konami to see if they can shed any light on this, but at this moment I consider it to be one of the 2 things above and not an offical US release.

http://www.nintendo.com/doc/snes_games.pdf

The list lists game title , the company that liscensed it and Month/year of release.

[Speedy_NES]

I am pretty confident this title is legit...not sure about Arthur's copy with circular seal, but I have a copy with legit board on the inside, and oval seal on the label with esrb rating, etc. Part number: M/SNS-3U-USA.

I'm also pretty sure that DreamTR managed to get his hands on a legit CIB copy of the game as well.

Pics of my cart and pcb:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/recent%20finds/DSCN7222.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/recent%20finds/DSCN7224.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/recent%20finds/DSCN7229.jpg

[50TBRD]

I am pretty confident this title is legit...not sure about Arthur's copy with circular seal, but I have a copy with legit board on the inside, and oval seal on the label with esrb rating, etc. Part number: M/SNS-3U-USA.

I'm also pretty sure that DreamTR managed to get his hands on a legit CIB copy of the game as well.

Pics of my cart and pcb:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/recent%20finds/DSCN7222.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/recent%20finds/DSCN7224.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Speedy_NES/recent%20finds/DSCN7229.jpg


Well, your copy definately looks authentic. No soldered wires, no hoaky label, and the part number looks good.

I've noticed that bootlegers really don't pay attention to the part number. They use SNS-TN-USA most times which is for Terminator. Yours says SNS-3U-USA, which isn't in the DP guide under anything else and follows the normal translation from Japanese number SHVC-3U to European number SNSP-3U-XXX as most if not all US North American releases do. If it were to be a bootleg, not saying that your is, then either the bootleger had to be looking at an authentic NA release or did the research to put the right part number on it. Which leads me to believe that it is legitamate, as I see that both are highly unlikely.

[udisi]

well the board and chips look legit. That would leave me to believe it's case #2 from my previous post. I wish you had the box and book as both shoud also have the number on them.

[DreamTR]

That copy that Arthur posted is DEFINITELY the real deal awhile back.

Also, that Nintendo "Seal of Quality" is oval shaped, not circular shaped, so I am not sure how that goes to say someone though it was circular from the picture.

The Nintendo PDF SNES list DOES include ISS Soccer and ISS Soccer Deluxe from Konami listed as being released 6 months apart. Two versions of the SNES version exist, one manual and cart say M/SNS-3U-USA, etc. and the other does not have the M/ definition for Mexico. Many games have that "M" in front (Ken Griffey's Winning Run comes to mind) and the other ISS Soccer DELUXE I have has Made in Japan instead of Made in USA on the manual and cart.

So to put this in perspective:

Arthur's picture: Real Deal. Bonafide North American release Of International Superstar Soccer. The inside of that manual has the Konami IL old address and 708 area code for cutomer support.

The other, slightly easier to find game is INternational Superstar Soccer Deluxe, whch has two versions. One made in Japan, one made in Mexico, manual printed in Japan, or USA.

[DreamTR]

udisi: check that list again, ISS and ISS Deluxe are listed as "official" North American releases.

Granted I don't agree with some of Nintendo's list (they are missing things like Mountain Bike Rally/Speed Racer for SNES and have a bunch of random GBA and GBC games that were released in Europe but not in the USA, or unreleased period, but the game, box, manual, all have part numbers, all in English, all with ESRB ratings, all with the same statutes as any North American release. The argument could be it was released only in Mexico (like Super Copa) but that still constitutes it being a North American SNES released game. Can't argue with the box/manual. Also, I have seen ISS Deluxe (which was featured in Nintendo Power) sold in California mom and pop stores....

[udisi]

Well, I'm having trouble with my pdf reader all the sudden, Loading a blank white page atm. so I'm gonna have to go off memory. I almost certain MBR/Speedracer is in the pdf, and I know for sure MBR was, I did see the first ISS in the pdf, but didn't see the second ISS or super copa. I'm gonna keep trying to reload and see if somehow I missed ISS Deluxe, you said you saw it. Did you happend to catch the month/Year of release? I agree that the picks of the chips, and such were looking legit which if why I was so perplexed as to why would there seem to be a ligitamate release not included in the pdf. If I saw it on the pdf that would make me a believer in a US release. Super Copa I'm pretty sure was mexico only, Not arguing against NA release for either of these just US release. I withhold my previous judgement pending I re-examine the file. BTW the M/ makes sense, just a version without the qualifier and it's listing in the pdf would clinch it as a garenteed US release imo.

[DreamTR]

June 1995 for ISS
November 1995 for ISS Deluxe.

I see Mountain Bike Rally, but not the MBR/SR Double Pack.

Those lists for the older systems used to only be available to NIntendo employees years ago, and they STILL have not changed them.

Again, Nintendo does not classify their games as "US" releases. It's North American releases, they include Canada and Mexico as part of their overall releases. Super Copa or Tony Meola, no idea why that is not there when the cart has a US part number, but like I said before, I do not trust their lists completely because they are missing a few things.

I also recall ISS 2000 not being part of the N64 list at one time either.

[udisi]

well got my pdf working again, and both are listed you are correct. Deluxe was the one I thought wasn't on there, ISSS I always believed was a US a release. Anyone have pics of a complete ISSS Deluxe, for I have never seen one, but it would apear that it too is a legitamte US release.

Also you aren't mistaken, I still don't see ISSS 2000 in the n64 list. Do you have a US version of this? I've seen a PAL but not a US, I haven't done a ton of N64 stuff yet. Nintendo may have some missing, but Since both the ISSS SNES games are there, I'd say that the book is pretty much closed on them and they are legit.

[DreamTR]

udisi, ISS 2000 can be had on ebay usually, and I bought that game in the US, but it was at a mom and pop store. I do have a complete ISS Deluxe, and just traded off two doubles if it with manuals to some friends/collectors. ISS I could not verify existed as a US release because it was harder to find than ISSD.

The Nintendo list DOES have things that were not released in the USA for Game Boy Color and GBA, though. Not all of their lists are correct.

[DreamTR]

These really should be added to the SNES release list. I know we can't prove they were "sold" here except at Mom and Pop stores, but the games have USA part numbers, made in Japan, and all US warranty information in the manual, AND they are official Nintendo releases, AND on the official Nintendo North American release list for SNES.

If we have crap like Air Raid, or other games that were sold via mail order randomly for other systems on these lists, there should be no argument about the ISS Soccer games.

[miserere01]

June 1995 for ISS
November 1995 for ISS Deluxe.

I see Mountain Bike Rally, but not the MBR/SR Double Pack.

Those lists for the older systems used to only be available to NIntendo employees years ago, and they STILL have not changed them.

Again, Nintendo does not classify their games as "US" releases. It's North American releases, they include Canada and Mexico as part of their overall releases. Super Copa or Tony Meola, no idea why that is not there when the cart has a US part number, but like I said before, I do not trust their lists completely because they are missing a few things.

I also recall ISS 2000 not being part of the N64 list at one time either.


So wait, would Super Copa be considered part of the complete US SNES collection then, with a US serial?

[DreamTR]

miser: It has a US part #, BUT Nintendo does not include it on their list of North AMerican releases. It is really a variation of TOny Meola's Soccer for SNES with different teams. I would include it because it's different enough IMO. Only that and Mountain Bike Rally/Speed Racer are not on the official Nintendo list.

[suppafly]

I just thought that someone here might want to know that I have a complete copy of ISS Deluxe for SNES up for sale on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/International-Superstar-Soccer-for-SNES-USA-NTSC_W0QQitemZ320090345442QQihZ011QQcategoryZ4315Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item3200 90345442

Thanks for your time

[suppafly]

Again for one more time! Another complete copy of ISSD on ebay!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320123600102

thanks for your time!

[badinsults]

Again for one more time! Another complete copy of ISSD on ebay!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320123600102

thanks for your time!

You do know there is an ebay forum for advertising your auctions. :p

[vintagegamecrazy]

So have we agreed on what the guide value and rarity will be for ISS yet?

[Speedy_NES]

So have we agreed on what the guide value and rarity will be for ISS yet?

I sold the original ISS (not Deluxe) cart-only for $100 on eBay around a month ago.

[50TBRD]

Prices vary way too much to pin it down.

Rarity is also a little of a subjective thing as it's rare in USA but not in South America. Difficult to obtain in USA at any rate.

I know that there are tons of these in South America but it stinks that its a matter of bidding wars to obtain them. They go for far more than I know that they should.

[newby101]

I managed a video game store back around the time when the 3DO and Jaguar came out. It was the policy of the owner to have one of every game for rent and I'm pretty sure we had a copy of ISS for rent.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Sorry to dig this up, but what is the final status of this game? Will it be in the US section or in a Mexico section or South america? Any idea on rarity as of now? I gotta know as it's a burnin' curiosity for me!

[DreamTR]

vintage: Nintendo releases games as North AMerican versions, not as country specific out here. With that said, the game is a bonafide US release. Copies have been found in the US, and MExico, and Canada, but I am sure the bulk of the small print run went to a distributor in Mexico.

The 3 games like this are ISS, ISSD, and SUper Copa. Those are all bonafide North American NTSC releases. They have ESRB ratings. Nothing fishy about them at all.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Thanks Dream. Editors, can we get these listed in the US game releases section soon?

[50TBRD]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/50TBRD/IIS.jpg

Been meaning to scan this in but haven't until today. Gamepro April 95 page 100.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/50TBRD/IIS.jpg

[skem]

Both ISS and ISSD are for sale right now on Nintendoage.com