2 Dreamcast variant questions

[jcheatle]

I'm not trying to open up a can of worms like the last time I broached the Dreamcast subject, so this one should be pretty open and shut, I hope.

1. Do the "Not For Resale" games have anything special on the case / inserts? Or are the cases identical to the regular ones (i.e. the "Not For Resale" is printed solely on the disc)?

2. Sega All Stars versions... I notice that most of the ones I have (Virtua Tennis, NHL 2K, NFL 2k, Bass Fishing, THPS) have a round circle on the disc that says "Sega All Stars". However, the copies of NFL 2k1 and NBA 2k1 I bought at EB in the SAS case do NOT have these marks. I looked through a stack of another 20 or so disc only copies today, and none of them had the SAS circle on them either (though some had NFR printed, hence my first question). Is this just because EB put standard games in the SAS cases or what?

Thanks for any and all help.

[chrisbid]

the NFR games have Not for Resale in the lower right hand corner of the back where you would normally find a UPC. These are the games youll find with this variation...

NBA 2K
NFL 2K
World Series Baseball 2K1
NBA 2K1
NFL 2K1
Sonic Adventure (this version has a bonus Sonic Adventure 2 Demo in a double jewel case)
Sonic Shuffle
Sega Smash Pack

[goatdan]

I'm not trying to open up a can of worms like the last time I broached the Dreamcast subject, so this one should be pretty open and shut, I hope.

1. Do the "Not For Resale" games have anything special on the case / inserts? Or are the cases identical to the regular ones (i.e. the "Not For Resale" is printed solely on the disc)?

Actually, some do and some don't, but all can be told apart. Specifically, the first games released like that (NFL 2K and NBA 2K) do not have Not For Resale on the case. Where the bar code is, there is simply nothing.

All of the others do have it.


2. Sega All Stars versions... I notice that most of the ones I have (Virtua Tennis, NHL 2K, NFL 2k, Bass Fishing, THPS) have a round circle on the disc that says "Sega All Stars". However, the copies of NFL 2k1 and NBA 2k1 I bought at EB in the SAS case do NOT have these marks. I looked through a stack of another 20 or so disc only copies today, and none of them had the SAS circle on them either (though some had NFR printed, hence my first question). Is this just because EB put standard games in the SAS cases or what?

Here you are, researched and confirmed by my collection, as well as everyone else here that was crazy enough to help ;)

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=622256

[gepeto]

Here's one for you.

Does anyone remember the so called liquid cooled dreamcasts. The story was the so called chips ran so hot in the initial production they had to be liquid cooled. Well I remember when I bought my system on dreamcast launch day and mine wasn't that version. I hunted around until I found one at another store I was told you could tell by looking in the fan vent the non liquid cooled was plastic and I think the so called liquid cooled was metal. I finally snaged the metal but never opened up a dreamcast to confirm.

Seeing this thread brought back that crazy memory of one mans quest to get hot technology. Funny thing is the non liquid cooled was the second or so revision that was possibly a better dreamcast.

Truth or rumor I have to investigate.

[goatdan]

Here's one for you.

Does anyone remember the so called liquid cooled dreamcasts. The story was the so called chips ran so hot in the initial production they had to be liquid cooled. Well I remember when I bought my system on dreamcast launch day and mine wasn't that version. I hunted around until I found one at another store I was told you could tell by looking in the fan vent the non liquid cooled was plastic and I think the so called liquid cooled was metal. I finally snaged the metal but never opened up a dreamcast to confirm.

Seeing this thread brought back that crazy memory of one mans quest to get hot technology. Funny thing is the non liquid cooled was the second or so revision that was possibly a better dreamcast.

Truth or rumor I have to investigate.

I believe that this is true, although the Dreamcasts that used that technology were only released in Japan and in very limited numbers, if at all. It may only be a handful of protos that are truly liquid cooled, and not just using the heatsink piping method that some others used.

[tylerwillis]

I had always assumed that this rumor was because of the difference in using heatpipes between the US and Jap versions... it's the reason that I tracked down a US kiosk model... it would be very interesting to see it confirmed officially or with pics.

[goatdan]

I had always assumed that this rumor was because of the difference in using heatpipes between the US and Jap versions... it's the reason that I tracked down a US kiosk model... it would be very interesting to see it confirmed officially or with pics.

I'd love it too, just like I'd love to see a Dreamcast that can't play CDs. I have from a very reliable source that at least some of both exist or existed at one point, but no confirmation that anything was done with them in the way of distribution.

[InsaneDavid]

I have a picture of the inside of a US kiosk Dreamcast in the infamous thread of constant whining... LOL

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75732

[OatBob]

1)
The three Sega games from the Dreamcast bundle all have the NOT FOR RESALE printed on the discs, and on the insert in place of the barcode. These games are Sonic Adventure (also includes the SA:2 demo), Sonic Shuffle, and Sega Smash Pack. I have all these and can confirm them.

The sports games from the Sega Sports Dreamcast bundles seem to vary.

NFL 2K and NBA 2K have NOT FOR RESALE printed on the disc, and no barcode, no NFR on the back, just blank space.
NFL 2K1 and World Series Baseball 2K1 have NOT FOR RESALE printed on the disk to the right of the spindle instead of below it like all the others. NOT FOR RESALE also is in place of the barcode.

I have all these and can confirm them.

I'll add info for NBA 2K1 as soon as I find it, but I believe its the same as the other 2K1's as it came in the same bundle, the black Dreamcast sports bundle from 2001 instead of 2000.

2)
Thats strange, now you ask I too have the same dilemma. Ready 2 Rumble has the red HOT!NEW! disc, and NFL2K1 has the regular disc. I dunno if this is correct or not, so no clue here. I do have sealed copies of NFL2k1 and NBA 2k1, but I really don't want to open them.


BTW, good question, it's important to know the relatively few variants for Dreamcast because lots of the sports games get mixed between packaging.

[KingCobra]

I have an older JPN Dreamcast, and let me say it's a beast! Even the power board is pretty tuff look'n from others, could this be a kiosk Dreamcast? Here are some pics, I've played the $#$% out of since 99' and let me say it keeps on tick'n :)


HKT 3010 made in Japan
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/98KingCobra/DreamcastJPN015Small.jpg


The heatsink fan area, much differn't than the small metal fan housing on the U.S models.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/98KingCobra/DreamcastJPN013Small.jpg


Check out the Powerboard?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/98KingCobra/DreamcastJPN014Small.jpg

[orangest]

speaking of dreamcast variations, my copy of worms world party has a red "1 or 2 players" sticker on the disk. does anyone know if this is how most if not all of them went out?

[InsaneDavid]

I have an older JPN Dreamcast, and let me say it's a beast! Even the power board is pretty tuff look'n from others, could this be a kiosk Dreamcast?

Yes, it's a kiosk system.

[DOL_001]

speaking of dreamcast variations, my copy of worms world party has a red "1 or 2 players" sticker on the disk. does anyone know if this is how most if not all of them went out?

My copy doesn't have that.

[PapaStu]

As Goatdan had linked in that other thread in his earlier post, lots of the talk has been kicked around already, but I do have all the variants that I've listed below for the US released DC library so I'll just post the info here and call it as they are. Due to posting issue, please go to page 3 for updated list. I'll re-edit this once I can get it to format again.

Sega All Stars

Crazy Taxi (Has SAS on disc)
House Of The Dead 2 (Has SAS on disc)
Hydro Thunder (NO SAS on disc, same as Hot!New! disc)
Marvel Vs. Capcom (Has SAS on disc) NBA 2K (Has SAS on disc)
NBA 2K1 (NO SAS on disc)
NFL 2K {Square NFL License sticker on manual} (Has SAS on disc)
NFL 2K {Round NFL License sticker on manual} (Has SAS on disc)
NFL 2K1 (NO SAS on disc)
NFL Blitz 2000 (NO SAS on disc, same as Hot!New! disc)
NHL 2K (Has SAS on disc) Power Stone (Has SAS on disc)
Ready 2 Rumble (NO SAS on Disc, same as Hot!New! disc)
Sega Bass Fishing (Has SAS on disc)
Sonic Adventure - Sonic only art behind disc on rear insert (Has SAS on disc)
Sonic Adventure - Sonic & Friends group art on rear insert (Has SAS on disc)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (Has SAS on disc)
Virtua Tennis (Has SAS on disc)
World Series Baseball 2K1 (Has SAS on disc)

Hot!New! Re-Releases

Hydro Thunder (Disc is redish {original is blue} Hot!New! sticker OR Hot!New! printed on manual)
Mortal Kombat: Gold (Disc is redish orange {original is yellowish} Hot!New! sticker on manual only)
NFL Blitz 2000 (Disc is redish orange {original is purplish},Hot!New! sticker OR Hot!New! printed on manual)
Ready 2 Rumble (Disc is red {original is yellow} Hot!New! sticker OR Hot!New! printed on manual)

Not For Sale releases

**ALL NFS games have NFS on the disc, all releases except NBA 2K and NFL 2K also have NFS instead of a SKU, NFL 2K and NBA 2K have nothing where the barcode shoud be**

NBA 2K
NBA 2K1
NFL 2K
NFL 2K1
Sega Smashpack Volume 1
Sonic Adventure Sonic Shuffle
World Series Baseball 2K1

General Variants
Alone In The Dark: The New Nightmare (Original has a sticker SKU of 0 20295 15011 2 AND a corrected SKU insert that has 0 20295 15011 2)
Chu Chu Rocket (Original has pixelated screen shots on rear insert, variant has normal screen shots)
Fighting Force 2 (Original has a SKU 0 10086 51020 1 which is the SKU for Toy Commander, There is at least a version w/ a proper SKU sticker with 7 88678 45004 1, unknown if there is a correctly printed rear insert)
Marvel Vs. Capcom (Original version has Wolvie vs Akuma for the left image on rear insert, variant is Thor vs Venom on the left, just like the SAS)
Monaco Grand Prix (Original has a SKU 0.08888.26001.1, there is at least a version with a proper SKU sticker 0 08888 26001 1, unknown if there is a correctly printed rear insert)
Speed Devils (An alternate version with a 'devil free' Speed Devils sticker placed over the entire manual cover)
Tennis 2K2 (Green Spine Insert and Black Spine Insert)
Unreal Tournament (Yellow Disc (First Release) and Black and white disc (Second Release))

[Virtualogik]

I have a Sonic Adventure NFR, and it doesn't come with a Sonic 2 disc (the case is single, back is marked not for resale, disc also)

There's no mention anywhere on the packaging (front or back) about a bonus Sonic 2 disc inside (is there any on yours?)... was the NFR Sonic disc distributed also in a "single" format without Sonic 2?

[PapaStu]

I have a Sonic Adventure NFR, and it doesn't come with a Sonic 2 disc (the case is single, back is marked not for resale, disc also)

There's no mention anywhere on the packaging (front or back) about a bonus Sonic 2 disc inside (is there any on yours?)... was the NFR Sonic disc distributed also in a "single" format without Sonic 2?

There are no mentions of a Sonic 2 Demo anywhere on the insert or manual. Its easy enough to break the slim 2CD trays, so my guess is that the demo disc just disapeared and that the tray had been replaced at some point in time.

I don't think that it was ever released w/o the Sonic 2 Demo.

[DOL_001]

Does anyone else's copy of Tennis 2k2 have a misprinted insert? On mine both sides of the insert are printed upside down (like if you put it in the case with the Sega Dreamcast logo showing through the left side bar of the case, the back is upside down).

[PapaStu]

General Variants
Tennis 2K2 (Green Spine Insert and Black Spine Insert)



Does anyone else's copy of Tennis 2k2 have a misprinted insert? On mine both sides of the insert are printed upside down (like if you put it in the case with the Sega Dreamcast logo showing through the left side bar of the case, the back is upside down).

I guess that the green part could be upside down. Both of my copies are sealed so i'm not totally sure. I took a picture of my copies and once I get my memory card reader to detect itself i'll upload the pic.

[DOL_001]

Here are pictures of how mine look like:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/DOL_001/4.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/DOL_001/5.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/DOL_001/6.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/DOL_001/7.jpg

Currently I have the inside upside-down so it doesn't look weird from the outside:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/DOL_001/8.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/DOL_001/9.jpg

Just wondering if they are all like that, because I want a normal one.

[PapaStu]

Ok, thats what I thought.

The green spine one I have is exactly what your's is. So feel good in knowing that there are 2 versions. Just hit up ebay or something and get the other one. It won't be expensive.

[DOL_001]

Is the other version completely black, like on both the inside and outside? The ones on ebay only show a stock photo so I'd have to ask the seller what the insert looks like.

[PapaStu]

Is the other version completely black, like on both the inside and outside? The ones on ebay only show a stock photo so I'd have to ask the seller what the insert looks like.

No, its just got the Black spine part where it should be just like your first picture, except its back isn't upside down when its like that.

[DOL_001]

ok thanks

[Kitsune Sniper]

Hey, my copy of Tennis 2K2 is JUST LIKE THAT! I thought all versions of the game were like that. ^^;

[PapaStu]

Bumping this up due to the fresh finds of a new Marvel Vs Capcom variant with Thor vs Spidey for the left image and not the Wolvie vs Akuma of the first release. Also added the Speed Devils 'clean' cover variant.

[goatdan]

Bumping this up due to the fresh finds of a new Marvel Vs Capcom variant with Thor vs Spidey for the left image and not the Wolvie vs Akuma of the first release. Also added the Speed Devils 'clean' cover variant.

Could you explain further? Are these in the standard releases, or in the All Stars releases? Also, what do you mean by "Speed Devils Clean"?

Also, I have never found an NFL Blitz 2000 that is not a stickered game. A bunch of them look like they are, but upon further inspection they aren't. I once upon a time offered a decent amount of money for one, and no one ever came forward with it. I strongly believe that it doesn't exist.

[Dangerboy]

Could you explain further? Are these in the standard releases, or in the All Stars releases? Also, what do you mean by "Speed Devils Clean"?

The clean Speed Devils is an oddball variant where there is a full cover sized sticker over the manual cover. In the sticker, the devil's face is removed. It's just the game's name in a generic yellow shape.

The MvC variant is a fix for the original printing error. The first has a PSX SF vs M image on the left, the new one has a proper MvC image in it's place. Both are the white label, regular versions.

[Colorado Rockies]

Could you explain further? Are these in the standard releases, or in the All Stars releases? Also, what do you mean by "Speed Devils Clean"?

The clean Speed Devils is an oddball variant where there is a full cover sized sticker over the manual cover. In the sticker, the devil's face is removed. It's just the game's name in a generic yellow shape.

The MvC variant is a fix for the original printing error. The first has a PSX SF vs M image on the left, the new one has a proper MvC image in it's place. Both are the white label, regular versions.


How much does the MVC printing error one go for?

[SpaceFlea]

How much does the MVC printing error one go for?

Since it was just discovered, it is probably unknown at this time.

[Dangerboy]

Probably nothing - it was the launch print, more than likely no more than the other. It would also be in more quantity than the fix.

[SpaceFlea]

Probably nothing - it was the launch print, more than likely no more than the other. It would also be in more quantity than the fix.

Why would you think it to be in greater quantity than the reprint? I purchased the game new not even two months after launch and got the reprint. So I'd be willing to wager that the original is quite a bit more difficult to find than the reprint. That's my thought at least.

[Tokimemofan]

I had always assumed that this rumor was because of the difference in using heatpipes between the US and Jap versions... it's the reason that I tracked down a US kiosk model... it would be very interesting to see it confirmed officially or with pics.

US retails also used Heat pipes my system has an 08/99 date code and heatpipes, There are at least 3 major hardware revisions, the heatpipe version seems to be the first, the second lacks this and the third also lacks the GD-ROM daughter board. The version 2 seems to be far more common than the others put together,

V1 http://www.gamesx.com/dreamcast/index2.htm Contrary to what these guys say THIS WAS RELEASED IN THE US
V2 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Sega-Dreamcast-Internals.jpg The common model
V3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwGzKfDURzU&feature=related Note the unusual GD-ROM drive.
Can someone confirm my suspicions that the third model is the non MIL-CD model, preferably by checking the Sakura Taisen version.

[Ryudo]

Here's one for you.

Does anyone remember the so called liquid cooled dreamcasts. The story was the so called chips ran so hot in the initial production they had to be liquid cooled. Well I remember when I bought my system on dreamcast launch day and mine wasn't that version. I hunted around until I found one at another store I was told you could tell by looking in the fan vent the non liquid cooled was plastic and I think the so called liquid cooled was metal. I finally snaged the metal but never opened up a dreamcast to confirm.

Seeing this thread brought back that crazy memory of one mans quest to get hot technology. Funny thing is the non liquid cooled was the second or so revision that was possibly a better dreamcast.

Truth or rumor I have to investigate.

Not a rumour. I still have the old EGM where they detailed the Dreamcast insides. However Sega changed the design for the uS
.

[Tokimemofan]

Can you point me to some scans from that article or tell me which issue number so I can compare? All alleged liquid cooled units seem to match the the V1 Link

[PapaStu]

Could you explain further? Are these in the standard releases, or in the All Stars releases? Also, what do you mean by "Speed Devils Clean"?

Also, I have never found an NFL Blitz 2000 that is not a stickered game. A bunch of them look like they are, but upon further inspection they aren't. I once upon a time offered a decent amount of money for one, and no one ever came forward with it. I strongly believe that it doesn't exist.


Don't know what to tell you. I've got one. I've had it since I made my initial tracking post back in 07. It's not stickered, its printed. I don't know how to easily show you that it is printed, but I'm here to tell you that it is.

[The 1 2 P]

Bumping this up due to the fresh finds of a new Marvel Vs Capcom variant with Thor vs Spidey for the left image and not the Wolvie vs Akuma of the first release.

I just checked both my copies and they are the usual Wolverine Vs Akuma image. I'm going to have to keep my eyes opened for the variant version.

[goatdan]

Don't know what to tell you. I've got one. I've had it since I made my initial tracking post back in 07. It's not stickered, its printed. I don't know how to easily show you that it is printed, but I'm here to tell you that it is.

Is it sealed? The stickers were made of an extremely thin material that often looks like it is actually printed, although it is not. If it isn't sealed, try taking it out and running a nail over it. It should kind of 'bump' as it does so. I was certain that there was a non-stickered release of this too (mine is sealed and sure doesn't look stickered), but when I got in about 30 of them brand new for the GOAT Store a while back, I noticed that the Hot! New! thing moved just slightly around on the manual.

If you've really got a non-stickered one, I have gone through literally hundreds of these looking for any that were not stickered, and never found one. Keep that thing safe, and if you ever decide to sell it I'll be waiting. I've probably spent 40+ hours attempting to track one of these down besides just looking at the ones that filter through the GOAT Store's hands, and I have never seen one.

[goatdan]

I just checked both my copies and they are the usual Wolverine Vs Akuma image. I'm going to have to keep my eyes opened for the variant version.

The variant version doesn't appear to be very rare. Out of the five on eBay right now that I found easily which shows their backs, four are the Thor version, and only one is the Wolverine version.

Can someone explain this more to me too? I have now seen them both, but I don't understand what "error" was made with the Thor version of the game?

[The 1 2 P]

Bumping this up due to the fresh finds of a new Marvel Vs Capcom variant with Thor vs Spidey for the left image

After closer inspection it appears thats not Spider-Man, it's Venom.

[Ryudo]

Can you point me to some scans from that article or tell me which issue number so I can compare? All alleged liquid cooled units seem to match the the V1 Link

Oops not EGM. Next Generation Magazine issue #50

[darkcat]

super magnetic neo has a disk that says "demo cd not for resale" i posted a picture of it in the fourm where your post to find a value but if someone here knows anything about it that would be great :P

[PapaStu]

Is it sealed? The stickers were made of an extremely thin material that often looks like it is actually printed, although it is not. If it isn't sealed, try taking it out and running a nail over it. It should kind of 'bump' as it does so. I was certain that there was a non-stickered release of this too (mine is sealed and sure doesn't look stickered), but when I got in about 30 of them brand new for the GOAT Store a while back, I noticed that the Hot! New! thing moved just slightly around on the manual.

If you've really got a non-stickered one, I have gone through literally hundreds of these looking for any that were not stickered, and never found one. Keep that thing safe, and if you ever decide to sell it I'll be waiting. I've probably spent 40+ hours attempting to track one of these down besides just looking at the ones that filter through the GOAT Store's hands, and I have never seen one.

Yes, I really have a non-stickered one, which is open and I can put my grubby little paws on at will. Sad you don't think I can't tell a sticker from the printed version GoatDan. I'd hope you'd know I'm serious about my variants by now... When I got this one off eBay I didn't have any problems getting it and in all honesty I think I ended up getting this one before the sticker. I had more issues talking to people about a 'printed' MK Gold as everyone was just a total idiot when I talked to them about it.


After closer inspection it appears thats not Spider-Man, it's Venom.

My derp there. Fixed my goof. I wasn't thinking when I wrote it out, but Venom is what I meant.

[goatdan]

Yes, I really have a non-stickered one, which is open and I can put my grubby little paws on at will. Sad you don't think I can't tell a sticker from the printed version GoatDan. I'd hope you'd know I'm serious about my variants by now... When I got this one off eBay I didn't have any problems getting it and in all honesty I think I ended up getting this one before the sticker. I had more issues talking to people about a 'printed' MK Gold as everyone was just a total idiot when I talked to them about it.

Actually, your eBay experience with MK is exactly why I was thinking you might be incorrect. I think that I literally got five or six copies of NFL Blitz free from sellers who guaranteed that they did not have stickered versions, when, in fact, they had stickered versions.

I do know that you're serious about your variants, but then again so am I -- and I know how much time I've invested into that stupid game and trying to find that particular variant, and I find it surprising that there is one known one floating around out there, apparently. At one point, I think I said that I'd pay $50 for a non-stickered one (not standing now, no money for such a thing), and no one took me up on it.

Whatever it is, it ain't common.

[goatdan]

super magnetic neo has a disk that says "demo cd not for resale" i posted a picture of it in the fourm where your post to find a value but if someone here knows anything about it that would be great :P

I overlooked this before...

Super Magnetic Neo had a single game demo -- I don't know if it is complete or not. It's pretty rare, but like most demos -- the Dreamcast ones don't seem to command that much interest. I think that I have four or five single game demos, and the most that I paid for one was around $15. I don't think I have that one in particular. Actually, if you're looking to sell it or trade it, I might have some inserts for your PSP kiosk. PM me if you're interested :)

[SpaceFlea]

I noticed the list doesn't distinguish the two different Sonic Adventure All Stars variants. The variation occurs on the inside of the back insert: One printing uses the large Sonic picture from the original run; the other printing has the entire cast of characters and a couple gameplay screens.

Also, are you not counting the low resolution Chu Chu Rocket as a variant. I don't see it on your list, though I thought I'd seen it previously.

[PapaStu]

Didn't know about the Sonic SAS variant. That'll be added to the list after I make this post. I've got a lo-res ChuChu, but images have not been kind in letting me truly see a non pixelated ChuChu. Has anyone really seen one yet?

[SpaceFlea]

Didn't know about the Sonic SAS variant. That'll be added to the list after I make this post. I've got a lo-res ChuChu, but images have not been kind in letting me truly see a non pixelated ChuChu. Has anyone really seen one yet?

Yes, I have both Chu Chu variants. My original copy is the pixelated one that I got when the game was first released. And I happened to purchase a sealed copy of the game (to replace it in my main collection). But then I heard about the resolution variant, so I checked games to find my sealed one was actually the non-pixelated variation. I will post a picture of the two side by side. The difference is quite apparent.

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq284/SpaceFlea/006-4.jpg
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq284/SpaceFlea/007-4.jpg
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq284/SpaceFlea/003-8.jpg
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq284/SpaceFlea/004-7.jpg

The difference in resolution is quite severe and you should have no issue spotting it in a decent picture.

[goatdan]

Yes, I have both Chu Chu variants. My original copy is the pixelated one that I got when the game was first released. And I happened to purchase a sealed copy of the game (to replace it in my main collection). But then I heard about the resolution variant, so I checked games to find my sealed one was actually the non-pixelated variation. I will post a picture of the two side by side. The difference is quite apparent.

Okay, seriously -- My collection was all nice and organized, but now I don't know where to put these extra ones! Seriously, interesting stuff here -- and I can't believe I never noticed that Chu Chu variant before -- the back of the pixelated one looks like it was a crappy GameStop reprint. How the heck did they let that happen.

Regardless, now I have new checkmarks I need to get for this collection :)

[PapaStu]

Yea Spaceflea!!!

Most of the ones I started to scour didn't have back images, and trying to get ebay sellers to understand the derezzed image vs not w/o an image is pretty damn hard to do without images.

I've already got a Sonic SAS variant on the way, time for me to get some ChuChu!

[SpaceFlea]

I would also like to point out that a "printed" NFL Blitz 2000 just arrived in the mail today, so PapaStu isn't the only one to confirm it. Just from looking at the picture in the auction it was easy to tell it was a print and not a sticker. Needless to say, I bought it the moment I saw it.


Here is the auction for it. The picture shown there is about as good as it gets if you need photographic evidence.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300651164901?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

[Dangerboy]

It's a dog pile!

Here's the close up proof:
http://www.game-rave.com/blitz.gif

[dr101z]

Thanks everyone! Now I have a few more variants to track down. To the retro game stores!!!

[goatdan]

It's a dog pile!

Hey, that's fine -- I've been looking for that stupid thing for a LONG time, and now I'm floored that when I had offered $50+ for it in the past no one could find one.

Having said that, your picture is the one that really helps. That auction one, judging by your picture, is a non-stickered one, but at the angle it was shot I see no way to confirm one way or another. Something more for me to track down.

'least I decided a while ago I'm not getting every PAL variation ;)

[PapaStu]

Hey, that's fine -- I've been looking for that stupid thing for a LONG time, and now I'm floored that when I had offered $50+ for it in the past no one could find one.

Having said that, your picture is the one that really helps. That auction one, judging by your picture, is a non-stickered one, but at the angle it was shot I see no way to confirm one way or another. Something more for me to track down.



Still think you're over thinking it. **shrug** They're out there! Promise! Nothing a bounty is needed for.

I refined the list on page one a bit more and added the Chu Chu variant to it's proper home. I'm back to just needing Speed Devils again.

[goatdan]

Still think you're over thinking it. **shrug** They're out there! Promise! Nothing a bounty is needed for.

I refined the list on page one a bit more and added the Chu Chu variant to it's proper home. I'm back to just needing Speed Devils again.

Heh, noticed that we talked about this in my "bounty" thread for DC items a couple years ago. I had still never checked -- sure, I might be overthinking it, but at some point after you see the game a million times and it never shows up for you -- and I actually had someone who should have known tell me that NFL Blitz 2000 sold slower than expected, and they reprinted it as an All Star after never doing a stickered run. Obviously now that was incorrect, but it was a big part of the reason I've never tracked it down.

Now, I'm curious on three things that have been discussed:

1) I get the Marvel Vs. Capcom one and already have both versions (yay having a classic game store in my house ;) ) -- Can someone explain to me what they mean by the "PSX version" of the game on one versus the other? How can you tell? And why, ultimately, was it changed?

2) The Speed Devils stickered variant, has it been confirmed that multiple copies of this exist? Or that sealed copies exist? The reason that I'm curious is simply to find out if it can be confirmed that this was something that was done for some store to sell it there, or if it was done at a later point in time, like at a rental store or something like that. I'd love to know if this was the "Wal-Mart" version of the game or something, especially because with it's minimally extreme rarity, I'm very curious as to where the game would have been sold that had enough clout to change the image, but not enough to make the variation very obvious.

3) Wasn't there a special deal to get Chu Chu Rocket when you got something else? Could it be that the special deal Chu Chus were of the horrid resolution, and the other ones were fixed? That just seems so cheap that you would figure someone would have had to catch it before it actually got printed... unless it was purposely done cheaper.

[Dangerboy]

1) I get the Marvel Vs. Capcom one and already have both versions (yay having a classic game store in my house ) -- Can someone explain to me what they mean by the "PSX version" of the game on one versus the other? How can you tell? And why, ultimately, was it changed?

Because the image of Akuma vs Wolverine is from the PlayStation version of Street Fighter Vs Marvel Super Heroes. Wrong game, wrong system. You can tell it's the PSX version because there is only one health bar on either side (there was no tag teaming unless you played same character vs same character in a specific mode).

It was changed because it was goddamn wrong.

More than likely the psx image was accidentally dumped into the DC game's asset file when it was given to the graphic designer to lay out.

2) The Speed Devils stickered variant, has it been confirmed that multiple copies of this exist?
Yes. At least 3 now.

Or that sealed copies exist?
This would not matter. The sealed game would not have a time stamp on it when it was published.

I'm also pretty sure it's not an image - but a full cover sized sticker slapped on the cover of the manual. A quick fix like the H!N! stickers.

3) ...hat just seems so cheap that you would figure someone would have had to catch it before it actually got printed... unless it was purposely done cheaper.
Free games are the same as the regular print runs. Resolution of images has nothing to do with the price.

The only thing lo-res was the screenshots and the art file. The rest of the insert is fine. The graphic designer who did it either a) didn't have the high res files (aka 300dpi) and just used the web size images (72dpi) hoping they would turn out okay or b) was a complete idiot and didn't understand the DPI issues. Being a graphic designer, and dating / going to marry a graphic designer, that happens a lot more often than you would think.

It's also nothing new in terms of whoopsies in terms of graphic design. See Batman Genesis (NES screenshots), FF7's Masterp ece, Sheep's Y, Astal and City Crisis's missing side logo, Spongbob PS2's missing title, Okami IGN, Resident Evil Revelaitons, and on and on and on. Human's make mistakes.

Capcom and Sega just seem to be really good at it.

[PapaStu]

2) The Speed Devils stickered variant, has it been confirmed that multiple copies of this exist? Or that sealed copies exist? The reason that I'm curious is simply to find out if it can be confirmed that this was something that was done for some store to sell it there, or if it was done at a later point in time, like at a rental store or something like that. I'd love to know if this was the "Wal-Mart" version of the game or something, especially because with it's minimally extreme rarity, I'm very curious as to where the game would have been sold that had enough clout to change the image, but not enough to make the variation very obvious.

There are a few DP people who've found them. I think two of them were out of Utah. I've never seen a sealed one and have no clue if it was something that was done 'at the factory' or if it was done at a shop somewhere.


3) Wasn't there a special deal to get Chu Chu Rocket when you got something else? Could it be that the special deal Chu Chus were of the horrid resolution, and the other ones were fixed? That just seems so cheap that you would figure someone would have had to catch it before it actually got printed... unless it was purposely done cheaper.

Even if there was (which I don't remember) it very well would have been just a chain type deal, not some Sega thing. As Jason said, they just fucked up the game when they made it. We've seen it many times before, we'll see it again.

[SpaceFlea]

My fuzzy ChuChu was purchased direct from Sega through some offer from IGN. I thought I got it right when it came out but apparently it was about 8-9 months after release since I got it for Christmas '00. I can't imagine the bad resolution being at retail for 9 months before getting fixed. Perhaps Sega had previously recalled the bad stock or just had some of the original run sitting in a back room but then sold it that following Christmas as a final WTF who cares! Sega/IGN pulled the deal rather promptly because they accidentally listed the newly released Seaman for $9.99 instead of $49.99 - Though they still honored the $9.99 if you showed them the link (made for glorious holiday spoils that year) :). I don't know if anyone else purchased theirs from that deal, but it would be interesting to know if anyone else remembers when and where they purchased their fuzzy copy. It would be strange if it were a random bad run in the middle of production.

[goatdan]

Because the image of Akuma vs Wolverine is from the PlayStation version of Street Fighter Vs Marvel Super Heroes. Wrong game, wrong system. You can tell it's the PSX version because there is only one health bar on either side (there was no tag teaming unless you played same character vs same character in a specific mode).

It was changed because it was goddamn wrong.

Well, yeah -- I figured that. But I can't say that I play the game enough to know the difference between the PSX version and the Dreamcast version, so while I looked at the photos in both, I couldn't tell which one was an error and why. That was why I as asking.


2) The Speed Devils stickered variant, has it been confirmed that multiple copies of this exist?
Yes. At least 3 now.

Or that sealed copies exist?
This would not matter. The sealed game would not have a time stamp on it when it was published.

I'm also pretty sure it's not an image - but a full cover sized sticker slapped on the cover of the manual. A quick fix like the H!N! stickers.

Yeah, but that is specifically why it does matter to me. A new copy would show that this wasn't done after the fact. The Hot! New! Stickers were clearly sealed in the packaging.

Here's what I don't understand about this particular variation -- if it was big enough for Sega or whomever it was published the game to create a new sticker for, shouldn't we have seen a lot more of these with the sticker on it? The companies that generally have the power to strong arm a publisher into potentially changing a game's cover art would be major chains in my mind -- WalMart, Target, GameStop, Blockbuster, etc. I don't think that Sega was making brand new cover images and stickering them on the games for the 50 games that was going to some small store somewhere.

However, some small store somewhere could have very easily taken these stickers after they received the game and put them on it themselves so as to not potentially offend their customers.

The fact is, if only three of these have been found, I really want to know the story of their origins, and finding a brand new one would go a long way to either clearing it up... or making it more confusing. Without one, is there a way to confirm that it is truly a factor variation, or an aftermarket one?

I'm not saying that it shouldn't matter to those people who want it to matter -- it's like the Toys R Us sports 3-Pack -- I don't personally believe that it is a variation because it is three standard games shrinkwrapped together with a sticker on them noting them as a special Toys R Us deal, but others do believe that they are a variation that deserves collecting. I just like to know where stuff like that comes from. To me, the story is often the most interesting part of short run variations like that.


3) ...hat just seems so cheap that you would figure someone would have had to catch it before it actually got printed... unless it was purposely done cheaper.
Free games are the same as the regular print runs. Resolution of images has nothing to do with the price.

The only thing lo-res was the screenshots and the art file. The rest of the insert is fine. The graphic designer who did it either a) didn't have the high res files (aka 300dpi) and just used the web size images (72dpi) hoping they would turn out okay or b) was a complete idiot and didn't understand the DPI issues. Being a graphic designer, and dating / going to marry a graphic designer, that happens a lot more often than you would think.

No, I understand that all, but what I was trying to say and I definitely did not do a good job of it was that "done cheaper" = "saw the issues and decided not to care". Being someone who has designed / proofed multiple CD graphics before, the Chu Chu Rocket thing is something that is *so* obvious that it could not have been something that just the graphic designer noticed, unless the graphic designer was also the same person doing the proofs. If that wasn't the case, I could see an executive looking at it and saying, "Let's not spend any more time on it, it's the free game, we'll fix it later if we need to make more."

Time is money with that sort of thing, and that is the one way that I can see something like that happening. Clearly, someone somewhere noticed it, because money was spent on redoing it for a future release and making it look not-so-crappy.


It's also nothing new in terms of whoopsies in terms of graphic design. See Batman Genesis (NES screenshots), FF7's Masterp ece, Sheep's Y, Astal and City Crisis's missing side logo, Spongbob PS2's missing title, Okami IGN, Resident Evil Revelaitons, and on and on and on. Human's make mistakes.

Oh, agreed -- but to me a lot of those are pretty easy things to overlook (including the screenies for Marvel Vs. Capcom). Chu Chu just seems so blatantly obvious that it should have been caught if anyone even glanced at the proofs for the game art.

[SpaceFlea]

I don't think a store would have gone through the trouble of making a full size manual sticker. They would just as soon not sell the game at all than lower the margins by developing/producing a very high quality sticker and opening every game to apply it. And, in that case, they would have to reseal it anyhow to lie and still sell it as new; so even a sealed copy wouldn't necessarily prove anything.

[PapaStu]

Here's what I don't understand about this particular variation -- if it was big enough for Sega or whomever it was published the game to create a new sticker for, shouldn't we have seen a lot more of these with the sticker on it? The companies that generally have the power to strong arm a publisher into potentially changing a game's cover art would be major chains in my mind -- WalMart, Target, GameStop, Blockbuster, etc. I don't think that Sega was making brand new cover images and stickering them on the games for the 50 games that was going to some small store somewhere.

However, some small store somewhere could have very easily taken these stickers after they received the game and put them on it themselves so as to not potentially offend their customers.

The fact is, if only three of these have been found, I really want to know the story of their origins, and finding a brand new one would go a long way to either clearing it up... or making it more confusing. Without one, is there a way to confirm that it is truly a factor variation, or an aftermarket one?

I'm not saying that it shouldn't matter to those people who want it to matter -- it's like the Toys R Us sports 3-Pack -- I don't personally believe that it is a variation because it is three standard games shrinkwrapped together with a sticker on them noting them as a special Toys R Us deal, but others do believe that they are a variation that deserves collecting. I just like to know where stuff like that comes from. To me, the story is often the most interesting part of short run variations like that.

We don't know any additional story, besides that two came out of Utah. All second hand and as things currently sit, there is not illustrious story behind it.
Thats because the TRU bundle isn't a variant. It's the three individual games with some additional sealing by TRU.







Oh, agreed -- but to me a lot of those are pretty easy things to overlook (including the screenies for Marvel Vs. Capcom). Chu Chu just seems so blatantly obvious that it should have been caught if anyone even glanced at the proofs for the game art.

I know you've put out games, but people are lazy, don't realize that they have a shitty rez version and countless other issues. Go hunt down the PS classic, Gundum Battle Assault 2. Big oopsie there. Beyblade for the PSX. Screen shots are ones from the Japanese version. All game text in those pics are in Japanese. It's easy for one or two people to glance over something like the Chu Chu mess up, toss some initials on there that they reviewed it and pass it along.

[goatdan]

We don't know any additional story, besides that two came out of Utah. All second hand and as things currently sit, there is not illustrious story behind it.

Then in all seriousness, is there a way to determine it to be official right now?


Thats because the TRU bundle isn't a variant. It's the three individual games with some additional sealing by TRU.

I agree with that, however I have had other people tell me that it is a variant because it has that sticker on there.

I guess that is where I'm sitting with the Speed Devils thing and just wondering -- if someone slaps a new sticker on the case of a game, it isn't a variant. If they decide to stick a "Best Game of 2011!" sticker on Uncharted 3, then to *my own* thinking, it isn't a variant. Some people think that it is. That's all that I'm getting at -- and the sticker on the instruction right now without much of a background seems less like a variant that I would collect, and more like an "after the fact sticker".

I've said this countless times, a collection is complete when the collector determines that the collection is complete. I'm curious about the story because it would help me determine if it is something that I would want to seek out for my collection.


I know you've put out games, but people are lazy, don't realize that they have a shitty rez version and countless other issues. Go hunt down the PS classic, Gundum Battle Assault 2. Big oopsie there. Beyblade for the PSX. Screen shots are ones from the Japanese version. All game text in those pics are in Japanese. It's easy for one or two people to glance over something like the Chu Chu mess up, toss some initials on there that they reviewed it and pass it along.

I was thinking about this more, and the thing that I guess makes me wonder how it got by is because at least the place that I have used, it is an automatic rejection if any graphic is less than the 300dpi standard for printing. Things like spelling a game title wrong, or screen shots being wrong are something that the automatic DPI catcher thingie should have caught.

Obviously, it didn't. It's just the most surprising modern game production error that I've seen, I think.

[Dangerboy]

Figured I'd jump in on this one, since variant hunting is my Raison D'etre.


I agree with that, however I have had other people tell me that it is a variant because it has that sticker on there.

For those that think the 2K1 bundle sticker makes the variant, and having just got it myself completely unintentionally, here's your argument for why it isn't a variant.

1. The TRU sticker, is quite literally an Avery-like label with low-res clip-art and default font choice for the text.
2. The games are not NFR versions, they are standard retail editions with their retail skus covered.
3. They are held together by two EB Games / Game Stop security seal stickers. That's not even real packaging. Also, the stickers are never uniform - they're all over the place. A sign they were hand assembled.
4. The Retail Bar Code isn't uniform; I've seen 4 different alignments and two different colors. A true variant would have had the exact same sticker style. This shows that the barcodes were printed at the store level (or very least distribution warehouse) and slapped together with the EB seal stickers by hand.
5. The Actual Barcode isn't Sega's - it's Toys R Us. If it were a variant it would be Sega's ID number.
6. NBA 2K1 isn't consistent. I've seen it as an all SAS bundle, and where NBA 2K1 was it's regular release. A true variant release would have a inform packaging and version selection. Another nod to the just grabbing what they had on hand.

By their own definition, any game that had a retailer's price tag on it would be a variant. That's insane.


I was thinking about this more, and the thing that I guess makes me wonder how it got by is because at least the place that I have used, it is an automatic rejection if any graphic is less than the 300dpi standard for printing

The insert *was* in 300dpi - the *screenshots and cat graphic* weren't. Since computer monitors lie, and most layout programs don't show the true resolution by default, could have been an easy mistake. My girlfriend works at a local newspaper, and she gets whole documents at 72dpi that SHOULD have been 300dpi *from the actual graphic design firms* all the time.


. Things like spelling a game title wrong, or screen shots being wrong are something that the automatic DPI catcher thingie should have caught.

Obviously, it didn't. It's just the most surprising modern game production error that I've seen, I think.

If DPI resolution issues are the most surprising, you need to work retail more. I've had whole shipments of games have no games in the factory sealed cases, no inserts in FS games, the wrong system in the manual (Area 51 i think, had Saturn in the PSX manual or vice versa), Dark Soul's Guide had text from Deus Ex on the back insert (lazy design for the win!), and more. The fun ones are where the retail barcode on the back of a game is for another game.

[goatdan]

For those that think the 2K1 bundle sticker makes the variant, and having just got it myself completely unintentionally, here's your argument for why it isn't a variant.

1. The TRU sticker, is quite literally an Avery-like label with low-res clip-art and default font choice for the text.
2. The games are not NFR versions, they are standard retail editions with their retail skus covered.
3. They are held together by two EB Games / Game Stop security seal stickers. That's not even real packaging. Also, the stickers are never uniform - they're all over the place. A sign they were hand assembled.
4. The Retail Bar Code isn't uniform; I've seen 4 different alignments and two different colors. A true variant would have had the exact same sticker style. This shows that the barcodes were printed at the store level (or very least distribution warehouse) and slapped together with the EB seal stickers by hand.
5. The Actual Barcode isn't Sega's - it's Toys R Us. If it were a variant it would be Sega's ID number.
6. NBA 2K1 isn't consistent. I've seen it as an all SAS bundle, and where NBA 2K1 was it's regular release. A true variant release would have a inform packaging and version selection. Another nod to the just grabbing what they had on hand.

By their own definition, any game that had a retailer's price tag on it would be a variant. That's insane.

Oh, I agree with all of this. I have a whole stack of the TRU bundles, and I break them apart and sell the games individually on the GOAT Store. Two times, people have seen that I am doing this and complained to me that I was ruining a really rare variation. I told them I would be happy to sell them the variation for the same price as the three games together, and they took me up on it.

I also have (or had) ones in stock where the NFL 2K1 wasn't consistent, being both All Stars and standard. It's the case of someone taking and slapping three of whatever they had on hand together and selling them for a cheaper price.

Having said that, if they want to consider it a variation, then that's cool by me and it is a variation for their collection.

Having said that, for now, that is how I'm personally thinking of the Speed Devils release. Without it being sealed, and with it being so rare, to me it creates a lot of questions. If people want to consider it a variation, that's cool too.


The insert *was* in 300dpi - the *screenshots and cat graphic* weren't. Since computer monitors lie, and most layout programs don't show the true resolution by default, could have been an easy mistake. My girlfriend works at a local newspaper, and she gets whole documents at 72dpi that SHOULD have been 300dpi *from the actual graphic design firms* all the time.

Yeah -- but for us, when we have submitted accidentally even part of the graphic that is in 72dpi, the printer catches it and sends it back to us. If they were using a similar place, the person would have had to have converted the 72 dpi graphic into a 300 dpi graphic, although that is entirely possible.


If DPI resolution issues are the most surprising, you need to work retail more. I've had whole shipments of games have no games in the factory sealed cases, no inserts in FS games, the wrong system in the manual (Area 51 i think, had Saturn in the PSX manual or vice versa), Dark Soul's Guide had text from Deus Ex on the back insert (lazy design for the win!), and more. The fun ones are where the retail barcode on the back of a game is for another game.

To me though, none of those are that surprising. Games are put in by machines that can make errors, insert errors happen in printing of stuff because again, it's machines assembling them (I like to keep the insert errors that we have from our Dreamcast titles we've done, and there are always a couple of them, from missing inserts to backwards and upside down ones), and the other things, with the exception of the Dark Soul guide, I think you could just overlook pretty easily because who is double checking that those things are right?

So, I don't know -- again, to *me*, it's the most surprising error that I've seen because of my experiences working with graphics and them being so picky about it, but hey -- to you it may be no big deal. Doesn't make either of us wrong :)

[dr101z]

In reference to the number of copies of the Speed Devils sticker label variants out there, make that four are known to exist. I picked up the sticker label variant at Game Over Videogames in Austin, TX back in 2010.

Interestingly Ubisoft included slightly different cover artwork for the interior back insert of the jewel case and an even more basic cover representation on their "Buy Two, Get One Free" promotional offer included on a separate folder out insert included with the game. The artwork used on the special offer card is most likely a very early or preliminary mock-up of the cover.

[PapaStu]

The fun ones are where the retail barcode on the back of a game is for another game.

Cause DC variants are fun.... and because DB knows I love him lots (MOAR bro love than most would be comfortable with) I am now adding to my DC list another column.... for retail SKU's because DB kindly pointed out a new variant tonight.


Go grab your copies of the epic Fighting Force 2. Check your SKU. If you've got one with the SKU 0 10086 51020 1 You've got the game with a SKU for Toy Commander. There is a corrected version out there. A few ebay sellers are showing ones with a proper Eidos SKU in their pictures. The correct SKU should start with 7 88687 XXXXX X.

[PapaStu]

My Fighting Force 2 came in today. This does have the 'proper' sku, however it is a factory stickered version of the incorrect 'Toy Commander' SKU'd insert. I am now on the hunt to see if a legit printed insert exists.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/PapaStu/IMG_0125.jpg

Also, another potential SKU variant discovered. Waiting on some additional confirmation before I call it.

[SpaceFlea]

I was lucky enough to find the stickered Fighting Force 2 variant in my box of duplicates to sell, though it's missing the manual. Since yours is sealed you can't check but are we assuming that the only difference is the sticker (like Speed Devils) and the manual and disc are identical. It would be nice if I can just pick up any manual, and perhaps a nicer disc, to complete the variant.

Also, did all copies of Rayman 2 come with a T-shirt? And, if not, are we considering it to be a variant, or would it fall into the same category as the games that came packed with light guns? They didn't give it a different SKU (the insert they put in behind the shirt matches the one in the back of the case), and the only other sealed Rayman 2 I've seen was in a retail store years ago and also came with the shirt.

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq284/SpaceFlea/001-14.jpg
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq284/SpaceFlea/002-9.jpg

[PapaStu]

Fighting Force 2 isn't sealed. The game/manual are the same as the standard release at first glance. There wouldn't be a real reason to have a new manual or game run done for a rear insert goof, especially because this is the original release, just with a corrected sticker.

To treat Rayman 2 as a variant is hard to say. If the game wasn't sealed, you'd never know that it came with a shirt. Now if the manual cover had the sticker on it than, no doubt it's a variant. This kind of discussion has come up in the past with sickers on shrink wrap. One advertises some thing, and if you didn't have a sealed version, you'd never know. The variant stuff I track (and buy) is stuff that doesn't need to be sealed to verify. Different SKU, alternate disc arts those you know. Two different stickers that are only on the shrink wrap. I'm not going down that path.

[PapaStu]

Another SKU variant for the fire. This time Monaco Grand Prix. The orignal SKU shows a 0.08888.26001.1 and the barcode itself doesn't look right. My copy that i've had for years had a sticker on it and I hadn't noticed it until I had done the great Dangerboy SKU scavenger hunt. Like with Fighting Force 2, this sticker is on the rear insert itself and not on the jewel case. I do not know if there is a corrected printed insert, but once again, i'm on the hunt for it.



http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/PapaStu/IMG_0124.jpg

[OatBob]

Hey guys, this seems to have become the official DP variant thread. Anyways, I think I discovered two new package variants, and I don't know whether to feel joy or annoyance. Either way, I thought I should share so I made a picture packed blog post at RF Generation.

http://www.rfgeneration.com/blogs/oatbob/Dreamcast-variant-finds-2738.php

I hope someone can help me out with the browser discs.

a) Are any more browser discs out there besides the four in the pictures? ( 1.0, 2.0, 2.62, 3.0 )
b) Did Web Browser 2.62 ever have a case or sleeve?
c) Does anyone else have the Sega/Net version of the Web Browser 2.0 sleeve? What is inside?

[PapaStu]

I'll have to pull out my browser discs. I have two different 2.0's listed in my collection list, but i'm about 95% sure it's just the jewel 2.0 and the red 2.0 SegaNet sleeve and not the 2.0 standard sleeve.

Thanks to an observant Vectoman and Drexel, we've stumbled into another DC variant! Once again, it's a UPC correction sticker on an insert. Alone In The Dark: The New Nightmare has a mistaken insert.

This one is the 'flip' to Monaco and Fighting Force. There is a sticker on the error version and a correctly printed insert, compared to their error insert and corrected sticker on that insert error. I've yet to determine if there is an error SKU rear insert out there. In our looking after discovery a few weeks back it appeared that there was about a 50/50 split between the sticker and the correct insert when looking for copies online.

[PapaStu]

Suddenly forums are fixed and I can do carriage returns. Amazballs.

Look! Alone in the Dark variant. This sticker is on the insert and was placed there by the factory.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/PapaStu/IMG_3563_zpsc5f04cf8.jpg (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/PapaStu/media/IMG_3563_zpsc5f04cf8.jpg.html)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/PapaStu/IMG_3564_zpsc664810a.jpg (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/PapaStu/media/IMG_3564_zpsc664810a.jpg.html)