Free Nintendo Game Cube...

[tom]

in the UK anyway.

As the Game Cube's life in England is cominig to an end, 'Currys', a UK high street retailer is now giving away Game Cube's when you buy 'Crazy Taxi', 'Pikmin', 'Burnout' and Ferrari Steering Wheel for £159.95.

[digitalpress]

This is news.

GameCube's life is coming to an end in England? What?

[NvrMore]

As the Game Cube's life in England is cominig to an end

What the hell are you talking about?

To quote the simpsons dentist.. LIAR

:roll:

[Mayhem]

He's being sarcastic... even though Xbox is just edging the Cube here in the UK. You get the machine, the controller, a game, a memory card and a steering wheel for £160...

[hydr0x]

LOL

afaik 160 pounds are about 220-240€, you can get a gamecube in every store here in germany for 199€ incl one of four games to chose from (pikmin, eternal darkness, wave race, luigis mansion). its an action running until end of march here in germany (officially run by nintendo), so y do u think your gc is cheap???? there are even stores here that sell a gc without games for 150-170€

[IGotTheDot]

You will see in the US that GameCube games are slowly being cancelled. There is at least one publisher that I know of that has killed all non Alpha NGC games. There is another publisher that is greenlighting less NGC titles. 1st party titles are the only titles that are selling.

[tom]

Yep, Game Cube's life is slowly ending. Didn't even last one year. GC came a desperate fith in the UK Christmas console/computer sales.
(1: PS2 2: PC 3: X-Box 4: GBA 5: GC)
It didn't even make an impact when it was released, and now places like Woolworth are already putting GC stuff 'on the back shelfs', so to speak.


And no, I am not sarcastic nor a liar, just a realist.

[tom]

Further, I recently talked to many shop managers in the UK (Woolworth, Currys, Game (former EB), Dixons, PC World, T'r'U, MVC) and most of them confirmed that the Game Cube is 'in the words of Currys manager': not selling very well.

Only the independant shops are doing slighlty better where GC sales are concerned.

[Raedon]

If Nintendo falls you all loose.

[CrazyImpmon]

If Nintendo falls you all loose.

I wouldn't exactly worry about GC being a flop. The worse that can happen is a Vectrex status in 20 years ;)

Anyway Nintendo has their extremely profitable Gameboy franchise and Pokemon to fall back. I'm still waiting to see if Nintendo would annouce Pokemon edition of GBA-SP (they had Pokemon edition of GBA almost right from launch)

[NvrMore]

And no, I am not sarcastic nor a liar, just a realist.

*sigh* then you're delusional and are having trouble coping with reality.

The GC already has a very good installed user base in the UK and it's sales aren't as terrible as you would have others believe (even after the Christmas period it's only behind the Xbox by a small margin). Might I remind you that up until the Christmas period the GC was doing better than the Xbox and the only reason the Xbox did well over the Christmas period because MS pulled a move of complete desperation, slashed the Xbox's price and started giving away four games with it.. essentially meaning that at the price it is listed for it is essentially (as you would put it) buy four Xbox games and get an Xbox for free.

Further to the point, the GC is selling very well in the other territories (UK is only one small part of Europe, and last years final sales count had GC outselling Xbox overall in europe) and is currently running a fair profit.

You're not realistic, you're scaremongering.

[tom]

You don't get it NvrMore, do you (sighing doesn't help either).

This is NOT my opinion, it is only what shop managers tell me. Don't be confused, if shops like Woolworth telling me 'sales of GC games (and hardware) are the worst' who do I believe? You, who knows nothing, or the shop. I guess the answer is clear.

X-Box don't do desperate moves. Microsoft lost 500 Million $'s in video game sales, but made 2 Billion $'s in Windows XP sales, so they are not worried at all.

But Nintendo are desperate: Quote from Micro Mart, issue 735: 'Nintendo are launching a Player's Choice range of games for the GC in their effort to generate sales for the machine'.

Are you saying the shops and magazines are not realistic?

[tom]

This is fun, it reminds me of the PS/N64 rivalry years ago. N64 lost!!!

[Mayhem]

Of course the M$ move for the UK Xmas bundle was desperation! Why else do you think they would give away FREE Halo, Splinter Cell, Sega GT and JSRF with the machine if not to try and radically shift units? It worked... but it stuffed up software sales for everyone else because no one was buying any other Xbox software :roll:

Anyhow, GC is still leading over the Xbox for the WHOLE of Europe, but it's close. Xbox has it over GC in US (naturally) and GC over Xbox in Japan (naturally). GC isn't dying in the world... just maybe not doing as well as it could in the UK. But that's hardly going to cause it to fail now, is it?

ED: Nintendo doing a Player's Choice? Seems natural enough... though I see you don't mention M$ are doing the same as well LOL

[hydr0x]

tom sorry but your are talking nonsense

the GC is selling better than the x-box in europe AND SOMETHING YOU ALL FORGOT: Zelda isn't out here yet, RE Zero isn't out here yet, Metroid Prime isn't out here yet, and still nintendo has better sales than M$. watch out what is going to happen when these games come out here!! and even if the gc would flop hard (it's not going to happen) nintendo would still have it gameboy. Noone can even imagine how good the sales of the advance sp + zelda + pokemon ruby/saphire will be.

M$ has not many aces left in there arms (<< is this used right??) and is still only at 3rd position in europe and hasn't got any sales at all (ok ok not really true) in japan. after the mentioned releases of nintendo here in europe, nintendo will be the best-selling of the three (sony, big-n, m$), of course the ps2 already has its user base, but nintendo will be selling more units per month in the mid of 03 and perhaps also in the end :)

[hydr0x]

btw the players choice games will be pikmin, luigis mansion and super smash bros melee each for 30€, so, only three games and all of them sold very well, so nearly everyone has already got them ;), selling will begin on april 4th

[omnedon]

It's "aces up their sleeves", for proper usage. Very close though, and your english seems waaaaay better than my German. :-D

[NvrMore]

This is NOT my opinion, it is only what shop managers tell me. Don't be confused, if shops like Woolworth telling me 'sales of GC games (and hardware) are the worst' who do I believe? You, who knows nothing, or the shop. I guess the answer is clear.

So, you run around shops asking their managers how well consoles are selling... rriiight :roll:

Now, it's more than obvious that you're a Xbox fanboy and that would be perfectly fine (there's nothing wrong with being into your choice of console) if it wasn't for the fact that you've decided to take it upon yourself to run around scaremongering and making baseless wild claims in order to put down a rival console.

But for your information, whenever I feel the need to check up on the state of the console biz, I use national retail monitoring services which independently monitor sales.


X-Box don't do desperate moves. Microsoft lost 500 Million $'s in video game sales, but made 2 Billion $'s in Windows XP sales, so they are not worried at all.

C'mon, get real. As Mayhem so aptly put it, their entire bundle deal is an act of desperation especially after slashing the price of their console again.

As for critisizing Nintendo's decision tor launching a players range as an act of desperation, well then by that logic Sony and MS must be on the brink of collapse, or did you forget that they too have such ranges :roll:

[MankeyMan]

Actually, the only reasons shops are reporting a low turn-out in GC software is because all GC owners actually own the games that are worth owning. By this I mean, SMS, Pikmin, Smash Bros. etc... According to sales figures 2/3 of europeans own SMS. All the other games released on GC are more often than not shoddy ports of something that has been released on the PS2 or Xbox, and in some cases released months earlier (TS2 was scheduled for a joint release on all consoles, the GC version got held up by 3 weeks, it sold loads of PS2 and Xbox copies, but hardly any GC ones). If you look closely, you'll also see very few GC only games not produced by Nintendo, this doesn't mean it isn't supported, but the Capcom 5, and Konami games that were predicted for release just haven't made it.
When looking at software sales there is also proof that the GC is not dying out. It had 6 games in the top 10 UK sales charts throughout the year, compare this to the Xbox's 2, this is also including the fact that the Xbox has been out longer than the GC.
Thirdly, Nintendo announced last week that it had sold 1.5 million GCs in Europe. This is after only 10 months of release. Again compare this to the Xbox, which reported hitting the million mark just after Xmas time.

If this isn't enough proof that the GC isn't dying, then please acknowledge the fact that I haven't even begun to talk about the fact that Nintendo make money on the GC hardware.

[tom]

Actually yes, I do go around shops asking how well or not consoles and games are selling.

I talk to my friend Martin, who runs the Video Games Centre in Bournemouth, I talk to my friend in Bracknell, who runs eight (count 'em: 8) Video Games shops throughout Berkshire, I talk to the people at CEX in London. You might say that I am 'well informed' being a video game enthusiast, unlike you.

BTW, I own a Game Cube with inflateable Nintendo chair (what does this tell you? That I was one of the first in the UK to own a Game Cube, as you could only get the inflateable chair when doing a pre-order with Currys).

And no, I don't own a Microsoft X-Box. Surprised?

I wasn't critisizing Nintendo's decision to launch a Budget range, I was quoting from a magazine. Do you know the difference?
They were not talking about Sony or Microsoft, but about Nintendo in the article.

Be careful if you want to take me on with an argument, you will not win, I own 52 different consoles/computers/handhelds plus a range of 2500 pieces of original software dating back as far as 1972 and about 2100 video games magazines, dating back to 1981. Your ignorance cannot succeed.

[NvrMore]

Actually yes, I do go around shops asking how well or not consoles and games are selling.

I talk to my friend Martin, who runs the Video Games Centre in Bournemouth, I talk to my friend in Bracknell, who runs eight (count 'em: 8) Video Games shops throughout Berkshire, I talk to the people at CEX in London. You might say that I am 'well informed' being a video game enthusiast, unlike you.

Obviously you're not a very bright one and somewhat paranoid to say the least. If you want REAL sales figures, don't depend upon hearsay and instead go to a reliable source of national sales figures. There are numerous sources available, all of which are considerably more accurate than your "word" which as I and others have pointed out is shakey, to say the least.


Be careful if you want to take me on with an argument, you will not win, I own 52 different consoles/computers/handhelds plus a range of 2500 pieces of original software dating back as far as 1972 and about 2100 video games magazines, dating back to 1981. Your ignorance cannot succeed.

LOL Threats to the tune of "fear me for I am nerdy"

Owning a lot of systems simply means you have spare cash to spend on such items, it certainly isn't an indication of your knowledge.

However, given such an amusingly inviting offer I'm more than happy to keep this going. I'm just waiting on you to back your scaremongering up with something substantial beyond petty attempts at intimidation.

[tom]

Of course I have lots of cash, I don't drive a BMW 750i (12 Cylinder, red water buffalo leather seats, on-board computer) for nothing.

[tom]

And now, NvrMore, you have to insult the people of Digital Press? (see Game Rooms).
Your name is not by any chance Werner Bleys?

[NvrMore]

Strange, you seem to be getting desperate and avoiding the subject.. that's surprising :roll:


And now, NvrMore, you have to insult the people of Digital Press? (see Game Rooms).

Nope.

Although I'm sure you think that by attempting to twist my words so as to imply that I attacked others on the boards, you hope to distract from your inability to continue this discussion after your amusiing little threat.

My point about owning a lot of systems being no indication of knowledge still stands, however I'll be more than willing to wager that, unlike yourself, those people who's pics are up in the game room section are also able to demonstrate actual knowledge and not just claim to posess it.

Now, if you're capable, try to get back to the subject rather than trying to get this topic sent to the BZ.

[hydr0x]

:hail: NvrMore

btw tom, have you even read my post? or is every argument against your point not worth reading??

[tom]

HydrOX,
Ich habe Deine Post gelesen, aber ich spreche für England, nicht für Deutschland. Jedes Land hat verschiedene Viedeo game verkäufe, zB in Frankreich verkauft sich die GB sehr gut, in England verkauft sich die PS2 am besten.

Ich zitiere nur Englische Magazine, verstehst du? Und in the Englischen Magazins sprechen die Schreiber über die 'sehr schlecht verkaufende GC, so simple ist das.

Grüsse and Deutschland.

[tom]

NvrMore,

I am avoiding the subject??? How does this work then? I started this post.

you presumed....and your were proven wrong.

You insulted....and didn't even see it.

You dismissed the subject with your third post... you can't even get that right.

If I were you, I quit whilst I'm ahead.

[bargora]

HydrOX,
Ich habe Deine Post gelesen, aber ich spreche für England, nicht für Deutschland. Jedes Land hat verschiedene Viedeo game verkäufe, zB in Frankreich verkauft sich die GB sehr gut, in England verkauft sich die PS2 am besten.

Ich zitiere nur Englische Magazine, verstehst du? Und in the Englischen Magazins sprechen die Schreiber über die 'sehr schlecht verkaufende GC, so simple ist das.

Grüsse and Deutschland.
Holy shit! I actually understood that! My classes in German are no longer a total waste!
*dances polka, drinks lager* :onfire: :drinking:

[Nature Boy]

Simple question for the Gamecube owners here: how many of you own games that aren't exclusive GC titles? I own 9 titles at this point (with Zelda on preorder) and all of them are exclusive to the console.

All but two (Super Monkey Ball 1&2) are Nintendo properties. And I haven't picked up Metroid yet.

My PS2 and Xbox are different stories. Sure I have exclusive titles on there, but I have many cross platform games on there too. And that's Nintendo's problem.

[tom]

I actually only own 2 Game Cube games at the moment, and I haven't got a PS2 or X-Box.

2 GC titles, hardly worth writing about...

I also would like to apologize to Joe for letting this post getting out of hand, ...you make a simple statement...some people heh?

Nevertheless, 'Currys' is still giving away Game Cubes for free....

[Mayhem]

Yes but *slaps Tom's forehead*... the fate of the GC in the UK isn't going to affect it's chance one iota in the big world picture! True it is struggling against the XBox currently (it is one hell of a deal admitedly), but then in the next couple of months here you have... Metroid, PSO, Monkey Ball 2, Resident Evil 0... Zelda in May and so on. The big guns haven't come out to play yet in Europe and I see Nintendo's fortunes turning around once they do. Plus you have Freeloader and everyone currently scrabbling to play Animal Crossing on import 8-)

I apologise for the conduct of my fellow European here, but he's being an idiot and there's nothing I can do about it LOL

ED: In answer to the GC exclusive/port games question... let's have a think and count... 14 exclusive to GC and 11 non-exclusives (though some are from Dreamcast heh)...

[NvrMore]

Tom, you haven't proven a single part of your scaremongering throughout this entire topic, instead you have *claimed* correctness based on your *claims* to talking to every store manager, from every major retail chain and haven't provided a single piece of substantial information and have based such claims on evidence which could be regarded as considerably limited at best even if it were true.

Then when pressed to support your wild claims, you launched into a tirade of self-procaimed intelligence simply because you own a number of systems and used such to make a very weak and somewhat pathetic attempt to threaten me, most likely in the hope of intimidating me into not persuing the subject further being that you were/are having such great difficulty backing your wild claims up. Then of course, you desperately tried to twist my words to get others behind you and for who knows what reason you launched into a description of your car as though it was supposed to impress :roll: in yet another attempt to distract from your failure and inability to support you claims.

And then there's the fact that you repeatedly ignore the points of all the other UK/european members here who disagree with you and have posted some excellent and very consise points, again most likely becuse you cannot support your scaremongering and so choose to avoid their reasoned responses by mouthing off at me LOL

So.. Again, please stop trying to avoid addressing the actual subject at hand and support you claims, because you're certainly not very credible at the moment (not just my opinion) and all you're doing is proving yourself as being completely incapable.

@NatureBoy: At the moment it's about a 70:30 split between exclusive and non-exclusive titles.

[hydr0x]

Mayhem that is exactly what i said, but tom just ignored it ;)

and the gc is not far behind the x-box in england afaik, after the hit releases during the next 3 month, things will turn around for sure :)

btw: good german tom

[MankeyMan]

Mayhem that is exactly what i said, but tom just ignored it ;)

and the gc is not far behind the x-box in england afaik, after the hit releases during the next 3 month, things will turn around for sure :)

btw: good german tom

What did it say?

[Mayhem]

What did it say?

Roughly translated it says...

I read your posts, but I speak for England, not for Germany. Each country has different video game sales, e.g. in France the GB sells very well, in England the PS2 sells the best. I quote only what English magazines say, understand? And in English magazines, the writers talk about the Gamecube selling very badly.

[hydr0x]

very good mayhem, now everyone can see what he said and that it doesn't make any sense concering the discussion :D

[Achika]

What did it say?

http://world.altavista.com/ you can this too, to roughly translate it, very very bad enrish translations though. Comes in handy when browsing foreign sites too.

[tom]

Thanks for commenting on my good German, being a German, my mothertongue is, of course most excellent.
My English, on the other hand, is even better than most Englishmen's English...

I still stand by what I said earlier, in the leading UK magazine NGC (issue 77, oh no more evidence!!! NvrMore & Mayhem won't like this ( Mayhem slaps himself even more silly)) readers letters are complaining about the 'non-success' of the Game Cube and they are worried about the GC being restacked to the back shelfs (also inform yourselfs in earlier NGC issues). According to the magazine (NOT ME, THE MAGAZINE, FOLKS, YOU UNDERSTAND???) there was not one GC title in the Christmas top twenty.

As for NvrMore, I was never trying to impress, as you were presuming (wrongly) again that I have loads of money. Never mind, one day you'll be getting it right.

HydrOx, my German sentence didn't make sense about the GC selling badly? That's what this discussion is all about.

So to re-cap: I inform you guys about something I read in leading UK gaming and computer magazines, further I ask in the leading high street shops about the machine to double-check this information, AND YOU GUYS TELLING ME THAT I AM WRONG??? How absurd is that? You guys are telling me that I am wrong about something I quote from printed material?

One year, if lucky, that is what I give the GC in UK. For me, I cannot wait, as I am only interested in buying second hand software, and GC stuff will be going dirt cheap (as it is already, since 'Game' is putting GC softs already in the bargain bins :-)

[tom]

Actually I think Game Cube has only 1/2 year left in the UK.

[NvrMore]

I still stand by what I said earlier, in the leading UK magazine NGC (issue 77, oh no more evidence!!! NvrMore & Mayhem won't like this ( Mayhem slaps himself even more silly)) readers letters are complaining about the 'non-success' of the Game Cube and they are worried about the GC being restacked to the back shelfs (also inform yourselfs in earlier NGC issues). According to the magazine (NOT ME, THE MAGAZINE, FOLKS, YOU UNDERSTAND???) there was not one GC title in the Christmas top twenty.

Riiiigght.. so based on some reader letters from people who like yourself, percieve the Gamecube to not be doing so well without having any complete sales info and the fact that the christmas top 20 (1 week) contained no GCN titles, you have seen fit to proclaim the Gamecube's life at an end. Regardless of total software sales, and regardless of total Hardware sales, and regardless of performance in the rest of europe, and regardless of performance in the two other main territories and regardless of the competing factors involved at the time (such as MS practically throwing Xboxes at people) and regardless of the upcoming GC big hitters and regardless of.. well, most facts more substantial to the life of a console than a few letters to a magazine? x_x

So you are, in fact basing your scaremongering on hearsay'

Great :D LOL


As for NvrMore, I was never trying to impress, as you were presuming (wrongly) again that I have loads of money. Never mind, one day you be getting it right..

+


Of course I have lots of cash, I don't drive a BMW 750i (12 Cylinder, red water buffalo leather seats, on-board computer) for nothing.

= Yet another contradiction

Really Tom, this is getting very tiresome. You're talking out of your arse, have been called on it, numerous people have pointed out the numerous flaws in your "reasoning" (if it can be called such) and yet you continue to repeatedly claim such ridiculous things based on nothing more than hearsay and your own misunderstandings.

Indeed, by your logic the Xbox would be dead in the UK by now given it's summer performance and indeed if games being placed at the back of shops is a sign of a console's demise then all of the consoles are heading to their doom as I have seen each one's games placed in such positions in various shops.

Basically, you came here scaremongering and makeing baseless accusations, you got called on it and given your responses and lock thereof to people's replies failed to show any sign of credibility.

If you don't like a console, don't buy it and by all means don't concern yourself with it, but don't go running around spreading false rumors and scaremongering when you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[hydr0x]

mh u really think ur smart tom don't u? if your mothertongue really is german than ur german really sux, if u would write an essay with that german here in school, you would get mhhhhh a 4- i think with 1-6 system (1 being the best). and your englisch isn't perfect either, i've seen far better englisch spoken and written by ex-classmates of me (yes, ALL germans)

and btw, ever thought about the fact, that gaming magazines talk a lot of shit sometimes?? some without knowing, and some, because they are paid by companies (<<M$)

[tom]

Nun ja HydrOx,
Eine 4 nur? In meiner Schule in Deutschland habe ich immer eine 2 oder 3 bekommen. Natürlich lebe ich in England seit 15 Jahren, da ich ein paar Deutsche Wörter jetzt nicht mehr richtigschreibe, ist natürlich zu verstehen.

Mind you, if I would write an essay, I would of course, do my research to be perfect again. Only aiming for number 1. Research is the key here. Which you didn't do, because in your previous post you congratulate my 'Good German', and now you rubbish my German. Don't let NvrMore know, he might say that you contradict yourself.

As NvrMore saying again, he get's everything mixed up. I am not interested how good or bad the X-Box is doing, I am talking about the Game Cube. If he would pay attention, he would know that I said in my earlier post, MS is NOT doing well with X-Box. Couldn't care less, we're talking about GC here.

And if you think I am tiresome, that just means you are running out of steam already. As for me talking out of my arse, again, it is not my reasoning. I believe magazines, shop keepers and so forth.

Again, NvrMore got it wrong, I never said that I don't like the GC, as a matter of fact, I love that machine. I believe it is the best Nintendo machine since SNES, as I hated the N64 and the fuzzy graphics. If I don't like the machine, I wouldn't pay full price for it, would I?

There are no false rumors in my messages, only info I gathered from different sources, which by no means I go along with. If they are false or true, hey make up yopur own mind, but don't blame me. Scaremongering, magazines do that to you?

[tom]

Uh, HydrOx, I forgot: I don't think I'm smart......
I know I'm smarter than you...

[NvrMore]

that gaming magazines talk a lot of shit sometimes?

Well, the no GC game in the christmas chart remark isn't true..

------------------------------------------------------------

Best-selling games in the UK for the week of December 21-28, 2002:

Rank This Week / Rank Last Week / Title / Publisher / Platforms

1 / 1 / Grand Theft Auto: Vice City / Rockstar Games / PS2
2 / 4 / FIFA 2003 / Electronic Arts / PS2, PS, Xbox, GC
3 / 3 / Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets / EA / PS2, PS, GBA, PC
4 / 5 / James Bond 007: NightFire / EA / PS2, Xbox, GC, PC
5 / 2 / The Getaway / SCEE / PS2
6 / 6 / The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers / EA / PS2, GBA
7 / 8 / Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 / Activision / PS2, PS, Xbox, GC
8 / 10 / WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth / THQ / PS2
9 / 7 / Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell / Ubi Soft / Xbox
10 / 13 / Medal of Honor: Frontline / EA / PS2, Xbox, GC
11 / 9 / Pro Evolution Soccer 2 / Konami / PS2, PS
12 / 15 / Dancing Stage: Euromix / Konami / PS
13 / 11 / The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring / VU / PS2, PC, Xbox, GBA
14 / 17 / Minority Report / Activision / PS2, Xbox, GC, GBA
15 / 18 / Colin McRae Rally 3 / Codemasters / PS2, Xbox
16 / 12 / Spider-Man: The Movie / Activision / PS2, GBA, Xbox, GC
17 / 16 / Grand Theft Auto III / Rockstar Games / PS2, PC
18 / * / Rocky / Rage Software / PS2, Xbox, GC
19 / * / Red Faction II / THQ / PS2
20 / 14 / Halo: Combat Evolved / Microsoft / Xbox

An asterisk indicates that the game did not appear on the previous week's list of best-selling games in the UK.

Source: Chart-Track

------------------------------------------------------------

oops :embarrassed:

Of course, this shows that the PS2 completely dominated the charts over christmas (surprise :roll: ).. So I'm guessing Tom's going to do a quick U-turn and claim he meant exclusive games :roll:

(But of course we're avoiding the ever so important point of total software sales which is generally a better measure to use rather than a very small sample taken from a single week)

But what does it matter when you're avoiding all of the important factors out in order to attempt to focus on what you believe to be a negative point in order to support your scaremongering. hmmmm?

[jonjandran]

You guys are funny . You make me laugh LOL
Me no speaky german :embarrassed:

I HOPE THIS SETTLES THE MATTER !!!!!!

[tom]

no i don't do u-turns...

actually, you are right, the magazine was talking about Nintendo exclusive titles, so pat yourself on the shoulder; for the first time, you are correct.

But again you seem to confuse what the magazine (NGC) says, with me. I would love to have seen GC exclusive titles in the X-Mas charts, but hey this hasn't happen in the UK charts since god knows when. I would have loved to see 'Mayhem in Monsterland' in the charts years ago, but this didn't happen either.

[hydr0x]

tom i said your german is good (for an foreigner), but then i heard your mothertongue is german, and your german isn't good then. READ before u talk ;)

you really think your smarter? well, if u think so.. have fun in your dreamworld :)

[Vroomfunkel]

Enough! This guy Tom is obviously on the wind up . . . either that or just so up his own ass that he could bite his own kidneys. Leave him to it!

Just watch his accusations fly when he sees my post. I predict

"you just want people to back off because you can see that I'm right"
"I'm smarter than you and I own more toys"
"you just don't want to discuss it because you know I'm right"

-_- I'm bored already...

"Don't answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself" . . . .

Vroomfunkel

[tom]

And the truth of the matter is that everyone attacked me personally (Some thruth in my postings perhaps??)
without showing me any evidence to prove me wrong.

HydrOx just attacks me and the press (He says: they print shit, that obviously included the chart NvrMore just shown???). Shame on you.

Mayhem was talking about the world, I was talking about UK.

NvrMore is accusing me of being a liar, without providing the facts.

Vroomfunkel, they are worse than me, because I have talked about the evidence, and all NvrMore did is show me a generic chart (Any GC owner owning anything from that chart? I don't). Is that so difficult to follow?

You guys show me how wonderful the GC is selling in the UK. (If the GC is selling so hot in the UK, how come 'Currys' is having to give them away?)

[Mayhem]

You guys show me how wonderful the GC is selling in the UK. (If the GC is selling so hot in the UK, how come 'Currys' is having to give them away?)

It's called promotion... it's called increasing the potential user base for the console. After all it seems to have worked incredibly well for Microsoft over the Xmas period (essentially the same, buy 4 games get the Xbox free). Maybe Nintendo has authorised Currys to do that? There are similar promotions for the Cube going on, or will be going in the future.

As for sales figures... here's a link for Europe:

http://amo.net/NT/01-07-03XBOX.html

Plus you have to remember that the Cube launched after the Xbox. Now while it's true that in the UK it is having a harder time than elsewhere, only recently has the total number of installed units for the Xbox actually superceded that for the Cube.

Either way, seeing as I import my gaming gear, the fate of the GC in the UK isn't a major worry to me... it's just nice to see that it does well here that's all...

And before I forget, "Mayhem in Monsterland" would never had made the charts because it was only ever available via mail order not the shops...

[NvrMore]

C'mon Tom, you're getting desperate here and as amusing as it is to watch you squirm, you missing one important fact.

The point of my replies and those of others is not to convince you that the GCN is fine in the UK, honestly, because the one thing you've actually managed to prove is that you're so far up yourself that it would take a high pressure colonic just to wake you up in the morning. The point of the replies is to demonstrate and show that the scaremngering you're throwing around, is just that and has absolutely no credibility, thus preventing anyone reading into this thread from mistakenly buying into your crap.

Myself and others have provided more than enough evidence and substantial points to make such a point, whereas all you have done is squirm and twist anything you can in order to attempt to create the appearance of credibility and in the end all you have done is tried to claim your word is the be all and end all of the discussion based on nothing but your own arrogance.

You never post any evidence and instead post claims of disparaging reader letters in magazines (or rather "a" magazine) and try to twist the words of a magazine to suit your claims and when actual facts are presented you attempt to dismiss them and squirm away from the facts they show (not a generic chart, an actual national sales chart for the given period, collated by the leading tracking body).

Everyone else here posts facts, and figures, makes point of the important details you're avoiding and points out countless reasons why the GCN is fine in the UK.

Truth be told, you're making an ass out of yourself here, Tom. As much as you may claim all the other meanies (including myself) attacked you, your arrogant attitude and the gross lack of competence and understanding you've displayed have done far more damage than anything else to any credibility you may have hoped to have.

Indeed, your response will yet again be yet another tirade of "blah, blah, no evidence, can't hand the truth, I'm right, you're all wrong, blah, blah etc.", but it's seems to be somewhat apparent that nobody's buying into it and the only person who can't see it is you.

Of course, you're welcome to continue, but unless you get it together and post something substantial I can only see that hole you've got yourself in getting a whole (no pun intended) lot deeper.

[hydr0x]

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without showing me any evidence to prove me wrong.....


LOL <<enough said



You guys show me how wonderful the GC is selling in the UK. (If the GC is selling so hot in the UK, how come 'Currys' is having to give them away?)

pff M$ gave away the xbox for free last year, come on, 4 games for free?? thats ridiculous, and curry just IS NOT giving them (the gc) away, you seem to forget that producing costs of the xbox are a lot higher than gc costs, nintendo is still not losing money with gc hardware, m$ is losing money since the release, and they don't get it back when they sell 4 games for free with it, see, most gamers have about 5-25 games for their console (a lot never have more than 10 games), so if they get 4 for free, they'll buy lets say another 2 full-price and another 3 lower-prized (whatever reason), so mhhhh where is ms earning money?? they do just earn enough to even their hardware losses. with gc , nintendo doesn't lose money with hardware AND it's max 1 game sold with the console, nearly everyone will buy at least some of the following games at full price (sm sunshine, metroid, zelda, luigis mansion, pikmin, doshin, wave race, re: zero) and nintendo earns money with every single game (and a lot more than ms does because most games are real nintendo games, not 3rd-party). let me tell you, if ms wouldn't have so much money from selling windows and office, the x-box would not be produced any longer, every other company would have gone bankrupt over this

[Mayhem]

let me tell you, if ms wouldn't have so much money from selling windows and office, the x-box would not be produced any longer, every other company would have gone bankrupt over this

Well exactly... also thank fuck that M$ are not allowed by law to bankroll the Xbox project using funds from elsewhere in the company. Otherwise we would be in trouble and gaming variety would cease to be. It's the same reason BA was never legally allowed to cost cut incredibly low on their Go budget airline to beat Ryanair, Easyjet, Buzz etc by compensating for the losses using money from elsewhere. Because as soon as you drive the competition out of business, up come the prices again and you have a virtual monopoly. Much as M$ currently do in the PC market...