Most expensive system to collect for.

[wrldstrman]

I would have to say the atari 2600 would be the most expensive system to try and complete.compared to the nes which has 6 or 7 games that command a high price theres easily 50 or more 2600 games that cost a small fortune.and for a system that came out so early there are tons of games for the system and it seems like theres a new homebrew game coming out all the time. as for the most expensive individual game I know air raid went for 3500.00 dollars but I think the nes gold competion cart as far as I know demands the highest price for a video game.

[roushimsx]

I think the NEC PC-FX is probably the most expensive console to collect for. God damn if the collector market for that system isn't fucking crazy as can be.

Wish I had picked up the system and a bunch of games when a local gamestore was trying to get rid of 'em (system for ~$35 and games for ~$2-5) :(

[CosmicMonkey]

Neo Geo AES.

Going by the price guide on Neo-Geo.com:

Metal Slug = $2500+
Blazing Star = $900+
Neo Turf MAsters = $1950+
Ultimate 11 = $8000

And of course, Euro Kizuna = $12,500

So, um yeah. AES it is.

[bangtango]

I would guess the Neo Geo, especially if you include both the cart and cd systems, along with the games for each.

Does this take into account the price of the console or whether the games are complete?

That, of course, is just a crazy guess. Maybe the system isn't that costly, after all.

[Darren870]

Um hello? US/Euro Neo-Geo hands down.

$12,500 was how much the last Kizuna Encounter sold for.

[Richter Belmount]

neo geo but I wouldnt be suprised if turbo grafx was second though.

[wrldstrman]

Neo-Geo I dont know anything about the system how many diffrent games were made for it.

I was thinking the 2600 because of the amount of games that cost 100.00 and more and all the mid range games that average 75.00 to 50.00 dollars. a hundred games at 50.00 dollar a carts add up fast. then if your talking about complete game I couldnt even imagine what the cost of having all the 2600 games complete would be,

[staxx]

1. Neo Geo AES - Some of these games are up there in price : Metal Slug, Kizuma Encounter Euro, Blazing Star, plus many more

2. PC Engine - Lots of the great CD rom games come in at an average of $100 - $200. Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire average price is $400 - $600

[bangtango]

wrldstrman:

To keep it short, the Neo Geo cd and cart games were based on actual arcade games. Arcade quality graphics and sound. No "almost there" ports with stuff missing. 100% genuine and perfect translations. The carts were mega-big, which means the cart system (24-bit, I believe) had some serious horse power. Far and above any system that was out in the early part of the 90's, as far as I recollect. With that, comes the very high costs you read about above.

To reduce costs, a cd version of Neo Geo was produced and many of those games were reproduced on cd. More than one version of Neo Geo cd came out, to the best of my memory. Loading times were real crappy on the initial console and a later one reduced it, which meant that it was in greater demand to gamers and collectors.

While there weren't many games released for Neo Geo (in the US), it is worth noting it didn't benefit from an in-your-face market presence. The games and machines are not easy to come by, thus they go for very high prices.

I hope that helps, even though I am not an expert of the machine. I never owned one.

[Poofta!]

NEO GEO is above and beyond ANYTHING else.

one or two specific games on the neogeo could buy you an entire 2600 library.

[-hellvin-]

Disregarding the obvious neo geo answer, I would say turbografx 16. Rediculous the amount of money most of the games go for. For third I'd probably give it to Atari 2600, then to NES.

[Tron 2.0]

NeoGeo AES
TG16/PCE on select titles any ways.
FM Town Marty

[Nez]

Neo Geo US AES. Shit is expensive, but they are all true arcade games in everyrespect. I love it though, most the games I have I really enjoy. Some titles are too damned expensive I'm sorry but I'm not playing close to $1000 for Mark of the Wolves.

AES compared to a cd. Note the Cart inside is almost as big as the box.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/a16btsuicide/neo.jpg

SecondI'd say 2600 there are a lot of crazy things going on in that area.

[DeputyMoniker]

nGage
A complete collection could easily go into the dozens of dollars.

[CosmicMonkey]

Yeah, then there's all the crazy Neo Geo stuff that you'd want for a complete collection. Such as the Korean Vic-A and the Mahjong controller.

Cheap as the NeoCD may be for the most part, Chotetsu Brikin'ger/Iron Clad still fetches a good $300.

And depending on how you feel about Messrs Ray and Dakis, there's all the NeoGeoFreak US releases of AES carts.

Out of interest, is there anyone here with a complete AES collection? If so, do you include the NGF releases?

EDIT: Thinking about it, do you include the !Arcade! conversions too?

[aaronpetrosky]

Wouldn't buying arcade cabs be the most expensive?

[drewbrim]

I think most would agree that Neo-Geo is the most expensive to collect for, but I'd like to give an honorable mention to the Laseractive library. Much like the NG, all the titles are expensive and hard to come by, and the peripherals and system ain't cheap neither.

[Joker T]

Nintendo DS or PSP.

[Austin]

After the Neo Geo and TG-16 and other not-as-commonly-collected systems, what're people's guesses as toward what people usually collect? The 2600 and NES both have a few really expensive cartridges, but I know a few people here have completed either system.

Do we know anyone who's collected both?

[swlovinist]

Hands down, Atari 2600 is the most expensive, because there is not a single person with EVERTTHING. Sure Neo Geo is outrageous for 4 or five carts, but Atari 2600 would be more expensive in the long run with a tremendous amount of games that either do not ever appear or simply are not found. Finding all those games on Ebay would eventually in my opinion cost more.

[AB Positive]

Hands down, Atari 2600 is the most expensive, because there is not a single person with EVERTTHING. Sure Neo Geo is outrageous for 4 or five carts, but Atari 2600 would be more expensive in the long run with a tremendous amount of games that either do not ever appear or simply are not found. Finding all those games on Ebay would eventually in my opinion cost more.

No... still the Neo Geo really.

There's about 30 or so carts in the under $100 range. There's a good 80 more carts beyond that. Not too many fall in the 100-300 range, I'll venture a guess as to another 20.

That leaves another 30 at $300+ a cart, and around ten of those go for over a grand.

This is for the US versions

Then, there's the JP collection, and if you want the full complete set with the Euro titles, you're adding another 12,500 for just one cart.

That one cart could pay for the entire 2600 library, in all forms and in all languages. Period.

Nothing comes close to the Neo.

-AB+

[fishsandwich]

Hands down, Atari 2600 is the most expensive, because there is not a single person with EVERTTHING. Sure Neo Geo is outrageous for 4 or five carts, but Atari 2600 would be more expensive in the long run with a tremendous amount of games that either do not ever appear or simply are not found. Finding all those games on Ebay would eventually in my opinion cost more.

Good point. I was going to say Neo geo too but then I thought about it... there are just a few games that hardly ever show up for the NG (but when they do they command ridiculous prices.) However, there are some notable 2600 games that just don't show up at all. They will eventually (I think) but expect to pay some serious cash when they do. If a game only shows up once every three years then there is going to be a massive bidding war (like KE) but between boomers and olders X'ers with spare cash to blow.

My 2 cents, worth a penny as usual.

[anagrama]

That one cart could pay for the entire 2600 library, in all forms and in all languages. Period.


That's simply nonsense - the Neo catalogue may well be worth more in total, but there's no way a 100% complete VCS collection could be had for $12.5K - hell, if it was, someone would undoubtably have it by now. Isn't Air Raid a $3K cart by itself?

[fishsandwich]

This is for the US versions

Then, there's the JP collection, and if you want the full complete set with the Euro titles, you're adding another 12,500 for just one cart.

That one cart could pay for the entire 2600 library, in all forms and in all languages. Period.

Nothing comes close to the Neo.

-AB+

You so funny!

LOL

[EnzoSangiorgio]

Going by the subject of the thread, which is the most expensive system to collect for, it would have to be the Neo.
Collecting is not a one shot buy the whole fucking shebang, it's usually years of hunting and looking and buying.
Numerous $50 carts is not a big deal over time, if you have a job, 2-3 carts a week at $50 each is not too big of a deal.
If you're collecting Neo games, tons of them are $300 and up, and that puts a big dent in a paycheck. You can't really "casually" collect NG AES. You have to be willing to drop a ton of money on single carts fairly often.

[portnoyd]

Are we talking complete 2600, or just loose? Complete would give the Neo a run for its money.

[bangtango]

Be careful with that question. Then someone will inquire the same thing for the Neo Geo games, whether or not they need to be complete :D

[tom]

What about Virtual Boy, those last games are well expensive always on ebay:
3D Tetris, SD Gundam, Space Invaders, Space Squash, Virtual Bowling, Virtual Lab, Faceball

[-hellvin-]

Be careful with that question. Then someone will inquire the same thing for the Neo Geo games, whether or not they need to be complete :D

I don't know about that...granted I don't collect for Neo AT ALL, but it seems the percent of rare games that would have boxes on neo is FAR greater than some of the most rare games for 2600. I'm sure if bmx airmaster ever showed up it would most likely not have the box or manual. The boxed quadrun that was recently up went for 1,100.

[smokehouse]

I think that other than a few titles, collecting for the 2600 would be harder and take longer but the Neo seems more expensive. With one game that goes for over $10,000 and many near or over $1000 you’d be close to $25,000 before you add the easier to get common titles. How much would a complete 2600 collection go for? $30K? The may be rather close in terms of total cst.

[Darren870]

I think that other than a few titles, collecting for the 2600 would be harder and take longer but the Neo seems more expensive. With one game that goes for over $10,000 and many near or over $1000 you’d be close to $25,000 before you add the easier to get common titles. How much would a complete 2600 collection go for? $30K? The may be rather close in terms of total cst.

If you are going to try and get a Euro Kizuno Encounter euro you could be hunting forever. With only 3-4 known copies in existance is hard to think you would be able to find another.

Like I said before and Ill say again. Its the Neo the metal slugs alone are over $500 a piece (us).

[Matt-El]

On a different note, I suppose 2600 collecting could be a biatch when trying to get All the different variant labels and names. Like if you really CARE to have an extra copy of Dodge'em because it says "Dodging Cars"! x_x

[Ed Oscuro]

Sealed SNES. LOL Or FM Towns and x68000 if you're using eBay (ack, horrible!)

Aside from that, some Japanese Mega Drive games are incredibly expensive.

[orrimarrko]

Are we talking complete 2600, or just loose? Complete would give the Neo a run for its money.

Dave's exactly correct here.

It really does depend on loose carts or complete ones.

Let's get one thing out of the way though. An overwhelming majority of Turbo/PC games are found with at least the outer jewelesque-case and an insert. Because of this reason, they are almost always not for sale in the "loose" category.

If you want to compare apples to apples, then you should consider the cost of a boxed (not necessarily complete) 2600 collection, as it would compare to the Turbo/PC library.

The sheer volume of 2600 games alone would far surpass the Turbo/PC, and unless you're talking about loose carts vs. loose HuCards/CDs, then it's not the same.

Atari 2600 would definitely give the Neo AES a solid run for its money.

In fact, many are forgetting that the entire Neo AES library is less than 300, while the 2600 is what, 2.5 times that?

There are only four AES releases that regularly go for $1,000 or more (Ninja Masters, Stakes Winner, Ultimate 11, and Kizuna). Everything else is in the hundreds of dollars, and Atari has at least 100 titles that command $100 or more in boxed form.

Anyway, the NES or anything else shouldn't even enter the picture.

The AES and 2600 are easily the most expensive to collect for, and the chances of you completing them (even in loose form) are almost 'nil, unless you have thousands of dollars of disposable income and are lucky enough to find the collectors who are willing to part with the grails.

Orri-

[Ed Oscuro]

There are only four AES releases that regularly go for $1,000 or more (Ninja Masters, Stakes Winner, Ultimate 11, and Kizuna).
You sure about that? I was under the impression that Metal Slug was more expensive than NM. When I started collecting Neo Geo titles, MS was just pushing $1000, while I could find NM for $800. Both have gone up since then, though. I'd also note that these are Japanese releases, but I do believe that Slug US is the more expensive version.

[Darren870]

There are only four AES releases that regularly go for $1,000 or more (Ninja Masters, Stakes Winner, Ultimate 11, and Kizuna).


???????

US/Euro

-Double Dragon Euro (gets up there)
-Kizuna Encounter Euro (you mentioned)
-Last Blade 2 (get up there)
-Metal Slug US (never seen it sell less then $1000)
-Metal Slug 2 (again, never seen it sell less then $1000)
-Neo Turfmasters ($1500-$2000 easily)
-Ninja Master's (mentioned)
-Ultimate 11 euro (last sold for $8000, yet you mentioned)

Jp

Big Tournament Golf (over $1000)
Blazing Star (around $1000 usually)
Metal Slug (I've seen it in shops over in japan for $1200)
Quiz Chibi Maruko-Chan (over $1000 easily)
Super Sidekicks 4 (gets close)

Then we got all the ones over $500.

[anagrama]

If you are going to try and get a Euro Kizuno Encounter euro you could be hunting forever. With only 3-4 known copies in existance is hard to think you would be able to find another.


5, I believe. Which is 5 more than the number of known boxed copies of Air Raid.

[orrimarrko]

There are only four AES releases that regularly go for $1,000 or more (Ninja Masters, Stakes Winner, Ultimate 11, and Kizuna).


???????

US/Euro

-Double Dragon Euro (gets up there)
-Kizuna Encounter Euro (you mentioned)
-Last Blade 2 (get up there)
-Metal Slug US (never seen it sell less then $1000)
-Metal Slug 2 (again, never seen it sell less then $1000)
-Neo Turfmasters ($1500-$2000 easily)
-Ninja Master's (mentioned)
-Ultimate 11 euro (last sold for $8000, yet you mentioned)

Jp

Big Tournament Golf (over $1000)
Blazing Star (around $1000 usually)
Metal Slug (I've seen it in shops over in japan for $1200)
Quiz Chibi Maruko-Chan (over $1000 easily)
Super Sidekicks 4 (gets close)

Then we got all the ones over $500.

Well, not to nit-pick, but I was assuming that this discussion was for US releases only. If you truly want to get picky, Kizuna was not even released in the US, but in Europe only. There is some debate about Ultimate 11 in that same regard.

However, I didn't include the Japanese toughies, because if you're going to open it to international releases, then the Atari would win hands down. The number multiplies by a factor of 10 at least.

So, to keep things simple, let's stay with a comparison of US releases (and we'll include Kizuna for the purposes of the conversation.)

I used the word "regularly" in that statement about the games that go for more that $1000 intentionally. I'm basically referring to those that don't usually dip below that mark anymore.

Of the games that you mentioned that I didn't (Kizuna, Ultimate 11, Ninja Masters), you've listed 5:

Double Dragon Euro (gets up there)
Last Blade 2 (get up there)
While both are expensive, I've witnessed sales of both recently for under $750 each. Expensive, yes, but still under $1,000.

Metal Slug 2 (again, never seen it sell less then $1000)
This will probably be there before the end of 2006, but it can still be had between $850 and $950. Not too long from now, it will the a minimum of $1,000.

Metal Slug US (never seen it sell less then $1000)
Neo Turfmasters ($1500-$2000 easily)
Now these two I would have to agree with, and forgot to include them in my list. Metal Slug get overinflated because of it's popularity, but Neo Turf Masters is definitely a harder game to come by.

Orri-

[bangtango]

I don't know that even the dreck for Neo Geo (commons) can be picked up for 10 cents, 25 cents, 50 cents or a dollar like a large part of the 2600 library (commons). Nor can you walk into a pawn shop, Goodwill or even a flea market and stumble on Neo Geo games.

Keep in mind that if it is going to be implied that people need to buy variants or Sears carts to have the full 2600 collection, then it also means that a Neo Geo collection can't be considered complete without having the cart and cd system (more than one model of the cd, I believe), in addition to buying each of those games twice (cart and cd).

[tynstar]

Other then Neo Geo Atari 2600.

TG16?

[tom]

How can I forget the most important one:

Odyssey 1973 games:

Interplanetary Voyage (+ game card # 12)
W.I.N.
Brain Wave
Basketball (+ game card # 8)

less than 10 in the world have been accounted for so far.

So they are pretty expensive and going up and up in value

http://videogamecollectors.com/gallery/album1-for-Tom/magnavoxGames?full=1


The one I'm still after:

Odyssey double card 7 + 8 (Apex Magnavox)

less than 4 in the world

[Zadoc]

Basketball (+ game card # 8)

less than 10 in the world have been accounted for so far.




Shit, I have this game card... who wants to buy it?

[Darren870]

Even sticking to US/Euro release $20,000 for two carts could buy most of the Atari 2600 games.

Not to start another argument with atari 2600 vs Neo Geo, but some of you mention hard to find atari games.

In my opinion it would be easier to find some of these R8, R9 in the wild then it would be to find a R6 or R7 Neo game in the wild.

Now dont get me wrong, im not saying if you go out tomorrow you are going to find a R8. Its just over years of years of hunting, in my opinion, it would easier to find a r8 atari game over a r6 neo game with out using the internet.

[smokehouse]

I was going to say that including S/Euro titles only I counted the following:

$1000+ titles- 6
$500+ titles- 14
$200-500 titles- 23

Doing that math you’re close to $30,000+ for a complete set and that’s is Kizuna can be found. This is also not including any prototypes or non-released titles. Many 2600 titles are 1 of or prototypes and personally, I don’t factor them into a “compete” collection.

I’m not sure what a complete 2600 collection is worth though.

[DreamTR]

Air Raid= bootleg Brazilian madness.

Atari 2600 boxed is nearly impossible. If you try going for all the stupid variations, it would take forever. If you try going for just ONE of each game, it's possible. I don't care what anyone says. If you have the money, it's much more feasible to obtain all the 2600 games than Neo Geo "if" you collect European titles. Ultimate 11 and Kizuna are impossible to get. They are as impossible to get as the top 2 Atari 2600 games.

I personally do not see the point for Neo Geo sometimes. I have a complete US collection. I do not have Ultimate 11, I have SUper Sidekicks 4. Why would I pay $8000 for a game that is EXACTLY THE SAME in every way when you put it in a USA system sans the manual and insert. Same goes for Kizuna. No need for certain stupid Euro titles, it's a waste of time and money.

AS much as I dislike the 2600, boxed 2600 games are probably HARDER to find than most Neo Geo games, commanding high end prices, but I would say it's CHEAPER to collect 2600, but HARDER to collect Neo Geo IF you are going for all the Japanese/EUro crap.

Hands down, Atari 2600 hardest in the USA, and Neo Geo most expensive.

Though I will say Game BOy boxed gand Game Gear might give the 2600 a run for its money!

[Darren870]

I was going to say that including S/Euro titles only I counted the following:

$1000+ titles- 6
$500+ titles- 14
$200-500 titles- 23

Doing that math you’re close to $30,000+ for a complete set and that’s is Kizuna can be found. This is also not including any prototypes or non-released titles. Many 2600 titles are 1 of or prototypes and personally, I don’t factor them into a “compete” collection.

I’m not sure what a complete 2600 collection is worth though.

Id say $40,000. Basing that U11 and Kizuna is $20,000 just for the two. Thats if they havn't gone up since.

[bangtango]

When I think of the Atari 2600 user base in the heyday, many of the users were kids. Picture kids from G.I. Joe or cereal commercials shot in the 70's and 80's. That made up a sizable portion of the Atari 2600 fanbase. How likely were they to keep an Atari 2600 box or manual? The last thing on their mind was Ebay. Ebay? -_-

I'd assume many Neo Geo users were adults, who would be more likely to keep a box. For that amount of money on a single game, $200+ back in the 1990's, you have to keep the box.

This isn't a fair argument.

[DreamTR]

bangtango: What you are saying is hypocritical. YOu could say the same for almost EVERY system with flimsy boxes. Hello, GAME BOY? It's assumed Neo Geo games WILL have the boxes/manuals, but not assumed NES, SNES, Game Boy, Colecovision, etc will have boxes at ALL.

[XianXi]

Besides the obvious answer....

Most of us Neo boys actually play the games we have not just stuff them into a closet as trophies.

But I have to agree a complete boxed 2600 set would be amazingly high but not as easy to come by.

[Tharathos]

Neo Geo AES. The most I've paid for a game on it was 500, for Garou. Certain NES games have been expensive too, such as Castlevania sealed, which ran 300 dollars. I don't plan on spending over 500 on a single game, that's my limit.

[Adol]

Kizuna Encounter & Ultimate 11 are impossible to get?
Why did i get 3 of each then?

[Nez]

Kizuna Encounter & Ultimate 11 are impossible to get?
Why did i get 3 of each then?

Becouse your one lucky bastard, who happens to live in Europe. I maybe a lucky bastard but since I live in the US theres no way I'm going to find one.

[Geddon_jt]

It's always bothered me when people say "4 or 5 known to exist" when referring to Kizuna and U11. Firstly, I know for a fact that many of the Neo ubercollectors have copies of these games (sometimes more than one) and don't tell anyone they have them, to keep the legend alive and thus, make sure their investment is secure. Plus these games only came out through SNK Europe, so no US collectors had an opportunity to get them or know about them and the distribution channels are pretty whacked. Most of the time a new copy pops up its from some old gamer dude who picked it up at a game shop in france back in 1996 for $200 or so without even thinking of investment or rarity.

It just feeds the frenzy - but these games were mass produced in some quantity (probably at least 100 copies) just like most other games.

Another tidbit, many Neo games are quite rare quantity wise but nobody thinks of them even close in the same league as U11 and Kizuna. For example, Rage of the Dragons US version was limited to 204 copies. Pretty rare game, but can be bought/traded pretty easily as it doesn't have the "hype." ;)

[CosmicMonkey]

Ok, so say money is no object. I reckon if you waved enough cash around, you'd easily be able to get a complete Neo AES collection, including all the rare games. Yeah, you might have to go higher than $12.5k to get someone to part with Euro Kizuna, but if money's no object, it can be done.

However, from what you guys are saying, it wouldn't matter how much cash you threw at the 2600, it'd still be near impossible to complete. Especially if some of the games really are that rare.

From this, I'd say that the Neo is the most expensive system to collect for, that you actually have a chance to complete. The 2600 would probably match it, but it sounds like you're never gonna be able to have a fully complete collection.

So after the Neo, I'd say the next most expensive that you could possibly get a complete collection for would be NES or PCE.


I personally do not see the point for Neo Geo sometimes. I have a complete US collection.

Cool. Got any pics, I'd like to see that. And do you include the NGF/!Arcade! releases in that?

[Nez]

From my understanding the 2600 rares are just bootlegs or weird spinoffs of other titles that were there for noncomercial reasons, ie Pepsie invaders. Its one of those things were do you really need it to have a complete collection, it wasn't avalible to the public, or some times even availible in the US (air raid).
Do you need outback joey and the blockbuster competition cart to finish the genesis collection?

[Darren870]

Kizuna Encounter & Ultimate 11 are impossible to get?
Why did i get 3 of each then?

Yea and didn't you give one to shawn for a converted super dodge ball ?

[orrimarrko]

Jason -

Two questions.

First, what does this mean?


Air Raid= bootleg Brazilian madness.

I was always under the impression that Men-A-Vision was in California. Are you just being funny, or am I incorrect?

Second, ???


I do not have Ultimate 11, I have Super Sidekicks 4.

Now I'm definitely confused. Ultimate 11 (or Super Sidekicks 4) was a Euro/Jap title which (although mostly confirmed) was not released in the US. I've never heard of an actual AES release called Super Sidekicks 4 anywhere (regardless of region.)

I know you aren't big on pictures, but if you have one of this, I think that there would be many who would lick to see it.

Thanks,
Steve

[ClubNinja]

Now dont get me wrong, im not saying if you go out tomorrow you are going to find a R8. Its just over years of years of hunting, in my opinion, it would easier to find a r8 atari game over a r6 neo game with out using the internet.

Probably true. Unfortunately, in today's collecting climate, you cannot avoid including the internet as a major source of games. Therefore, the relative ease of finding most AES games online must be considered.

[orrimarrko]

Kizuna Encounter & Ultimate 11 are impossible to get?
Why did i get 3 of each then?

Weren't those a while back though?

You haven't found any recently have you?

[orrimarrko]

So after the Neo, I'd say the next most expensive that you could possibly get a complete collection for would be NES or PCE.

Still don't agree. After the NEO, it would be the 2600.

[orrimarrko]

From my understanding the 2600 rares are just bootlegs or weird spinoffs of other titles that were there for noncomercial reasons, ie Pepsie invaders. Its one of those things were do you really need it to have a complete collection, it wasn't avalible to the public, or some times even availible in the US (air raid).
Do you need outback joey and the blockbuster competition cart to finish the genesis collection?

Now you're just mixing in everything.

Collections can usually be divided in many ways, but you're comparing a lots of different types in the same argument.

Allow me to explain.

Licensed vs. Unlicensed; Distributed vs. Non-Distributed; proto vs. completed - they are all factors to consider.

However, the basis of this discussion wasn't meant to get into all of that; at least that wasn't my interpretation.

If you're looking to include everything that could have possibly been developed for a system, you may never know what constitutes a "complete collection". So just don't go there.

The Neo AES is very easy to break down, and you can do so in one of two ways.

English vs. Japanese

OR

US vs. EURO vs. JAP

That's pretty much it.

Within each of those, the games are either loose, or boxed (complete is irrelevant.)

If you're talking about a complete English collection of released AES games, then you include Kizuna and Ultimate 11.

If you're talking about a complete US collection of released AES games, then you don't.

There are no variants, because the Dog-Tag inserts were US, and those without were Euro. The only question is in regards to KOF 2000, and some think that NGF was licensed to release it, and some don't.

Other than that, it's pretty clear.

With the 2600, you need to compare similar circumstances. If you used only US AES releases, then you should do so for the 2600. Consider only those games that were distributed in the US. There weren't any unlicensed AES games released in the US (KOF 2000 debate aside), and you can look at the 2600 library in the same way.

It's that easy.

Where it gets complicated is when you mix. Just like the NES debates of whether you should include unlicensed games into a NES library. Do you or don't you? If you do, then you'll have a tougher time. If you don't, the list is clearer.

Promotional giveaways, competition cartridges, etc are wonderful collectors items and are of great historical value, but I don't know anyone who considers them part of a "complete" collection.

Just because a game was programmed for a system doesn't mean that it's an essential or necessary item that needs to be obtained to complete the collection.

For me, my definition has always been if it was able to be purchased in a store brand new, at or around the time of it's original release.

Pepsi Invaders, Air Raid, Chase the Chuckwagon - all these games don't qualify in that regard for me. They are wonderful additions to the collection and are great conversation pieces, but nothing more (in my opinion.) If you include those, then you may as well include homebrew games, because there really isn't much differentiation between them.

This is just my two cents, but I'm seeing a lot of illogical agruments made in this discussion. All I want to get across is to keep the "library" for a system defined, and there won't be so much ambiguity.

Orri-

[Darren870]

Now dont get me wrong, im not saying if you go out tomorrow you are going to find a R8. Its just over years of years of hunting, in my opinion, it would easier to find a r8 atari game over a r6 neo game with out using the internet.

Probably true. Unfortunately, in today's collecting climate, you cannot avoid including the internet as a major source of games. Therefore, the relative ease of finding most AES games online must be considered.

Yea, guess my big point was its easy to find atari games. They flood thrift shops, goodwills etc. However a neo geo game would be hard to find anywhere outside the internet.

[Iron Draggon]

Though I will say Game BOy boxed gand Game Gear might give the 2600 a run for its money!

Well, considering that as far as we know, NOBODY on DP even has a complete LOOSE Game Gear US collection, and those of us who are the closest to having one still aren't even halfway there yet, Dream TR may have a point here. GG games are not terribly expensive, no matter how rare they are, but they are hard as hell to find anywhere, and even harder to find complete, much less in mint condition. But then I guess that would be a question better answered in a "What is the hardest system to collect for?" thread.

[anagrama]

But then I guess that would be a question better answered in a "What is the hardest system to collect for?" thread.

Ta-da! (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59714&highlight=hardest+system+collect)

[tom]

Zadoc,
you gotta have the Basketball box, overlay, Scoreboard and instructions with the Odysey game card # 8, otherwise, no rarity as game card # 8 was also issued with the common 1972 game Handball, and that game is plenty about in complete condition.

[bangtango]

DreamTR:

Hypocritical? Nice to know you have such a good assessment of what is merely my opinion. Thank you for allowing me to be educated by one of the few "true" collectors on this board. Someone with all of 1000 posts. Now let's see some pics of that Neo Geo collection. Otherwise your dismissal of ME as a hypocrite will ring very hollow.

I only bring up the fact that Atari 2600 games are less likely to be boxed, since some people who post are Atari fanboys who want to see the Atari win this debate over the Neo Geo. This may not be AtariAge but there is still a very healthy Atari bias on this board.

[CosmicMonkey]

This is what I'm trying to say, it seems that a complete 2600 collection would be impossible. No matter how much cash you throw at it, you're never gonna be able to get every game, boxed, in mint condition. Simply because there's quite a few games that seem to not exist, or only have about 3 or 4 copies known.

If we can agree on that, then surely we can't count the 2600 in this, as it's near enough impossible. The 2600 would therefore be #1 Most Difficult/Most Impossible to collect for.

So then, to rephrase the original question -
What system is the most expensive to collect for, where it is possible to have a complete collection?

I stand by the AES. It'd cost many, many thousand dollars, but it is possile. Every Jpn, Euro, US and Korean release and Every !Arcade! and NGF US release (dodgy as they are). Oh, plus a Vic-A and the Mahjong controller, boxed and minty.

[rick weis]

i love reading these types of threads! LOL

always good for a laugh.

Rick

[smokehouse]

Kizuna Encounter & Ultimate 11 are impossible to get?
Why did i get 3 of each then?

Yea and didn't you give one to shawn for a converted super dodge ball ?

I will gladly trade my complete Super Dodge Ball kit for a complete AES Kizuna anytime….

Just make me an offer! :D

[portnoyd]

Hypocritical? Nice to know you have such a good assessment of what is merely my opinion. Thank you for allowing me to be educated by one of the few "true" collectors on this board. Someone with all of 1000 posts. Now let's see some pics of that Neo Geo collection. Otherwise your dismissal of ME as a hypocrite will ring very hollow.

LLLLAAWWWWWLLL! You actually doubt DreamTR doesn't have a complete AES collection? Next you'll doubt his NES collection.

Post count means nothing, buddy.


This may not be AtariAge but there is still a very healthy Atari bias on this board.

Or could it be that the people advocating the 2600 side of the point actually have basis for what they're saying? You know, that recent $1100 Quadrun may be meaningless to you, but if you've been collecting as long as some of us have, you can see the big picture, and how much cash boxed 2600 stuff brings in when the gem stuff does pop up.

And for the record, I am a Nintendo fanboy. (Hence my oversized NES collection, which if you have any doubt, you can see the pics of it)

[DreamTR]

bangtango: What does me having to show "pics' of my Neo Geo collection have to do with anything? You need to re-read what I said. I am a very experienced collector, and I don't have to take x picture so everyone and their brother can see. What's the point? Many hardcore collectors have personally SEEN my collection, and that was back when it was less than 7,000 games.

Also, what does it matter about my post count? You've been on here LESS THAN A MONTH.

Come back to me when you have a point to a counterpoint. Nothing that I have said leans towards the 2600 or Neo Geo, both are expensive and/or hard to find in their own respects, it's just one is worth more than the other. Please read, k thx.

Adol: And NWC gold carts are easy to find? Why, I had 7 of them at one time. Hrm. By your logic, that would mean it is common, same as Kizuna/Ultimate 11. Nice job.

Also, what I meant by "I do not have Ultimate 11". I have the Japanese version (SSK4, U11, etc) because I do not see a point in owning an insert/manual for an extra $7000.

And again to bangtango: if you really want to see pictures of games behind games, check out the latest Video Game Collector Magazine if you need "proof" of my Neo Geo collection. Do you want me to prove I have a Neo Geo too?

[orrimarrko]

i love reading these types of threads! LOL

always good for a laugh.

Rick

There he is!

Rick, your Air Raid is crap!! LOL

(Just kidding, of course.)

Glad to see you're still around.

Orri-

[orrimarrko]

bangtango: What does me having to show "pics' of my Neo Geo collection have to do with anything? You need to re-read what I said. I am a very experienced collector, and I don't have to take x picture so everyone and their brother can see. What's the point? Many hardcore collectors have personally SEEN my collection, and that was back when it was less than 7,000 games.

Also, what does it matter about my post count? You've been on here LESS THAN A MONTH.

Come back to me when you have a point to a counterpoint. Nothing that I have said leans towards the 2600 or Neo Geo, both are expensive and/or hard to find in their own respects, it's just one is worth more than the other. Please read, k thx.

Adol: And NWC gold carts are easy to find? Why, I had 7 of them at one time. Hrm. By your logic, that would mean it is common, same as Kizuna/Ultimate 11. Nice job.

Also, what I meant by "I do not have Ultimate 11". I have the Japanese version (SSK4, U11, etc) because I do not see a point in owning an insert/manual for an extra $7000.

And again to bangtango: if you really want to see pictures of games behind games, check out the latest Video Game Collector Magazine if you need "proof" of my Neo Geo collection. Do you want me to prove I have a Neo Geo too?

Hey Jason,

I thought that you might have been referring to the Japanese SS4/Ult. 11, but wanted to be sure. I completely agree with your point of course. I wanted to be sure that I wasn't missing something about a separate release.

Oh, almost forgot. Come on, you know that post count is directly related to your knowledge of video games. Stop playin'. ;)

Looking forward to that VGC mag, by the way...

Orri-

[neuropolitique]

DreamTR:

Hypocritical? Nice to know you have such a good assessment of what is merely my opinion. Thank you for allowing me to be educated by one of the few "true" collectors on this board. Someone with all of 1000 posts. Now let's see some pics of that Neo Geo collection. Otherwise your dismissal of ME as a hypocrite will ring very hollow.

I only bring up the fact that Atari 2600 games are less likely to be boxed, since some people who post are Atari fanboys who want to see the Atari win this debate over the Neo Geo. This may not be AtariAge but there is still a very healthy Atari bias on this board.


This is exactly why one should Lurk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurking) when joining a new board.

For my 2 cents, I'd have to go with the AES. Not that I collect either 2600, or AES.

[bangtango]

DreamTR: No, I want you to avoid referring to me as a hypocrite in your earlier post for absolutely no reason.

You ask what does it matter if you post a picture of your collection here? Fine, but consider this:

What does how long I have been here or what magazine your game collection has been in have to do with anything?

The trouble with this board is that people tend to believe anyone who has been here less than a month or is under 100 posts has nothing to contribute, which shows your arrogance. Why else would you need to list the number of games you own x_x Get over yourself.