Suikoden I & II PSP combo

[incubus421]

Do you think the new release of Suikoden and Suikoden II as a combo for the PSP will take away value from the PS1 originals?
Owning both in their complete conditions I would like to think that they wouldn't effect the value of these two games. But there is always that chance I think.

Example: Final Fantasy Tactics...before that game hit the "Greatest Hits" list I couldnt find it anywhere and it was going for decent money. After the "Greatest Hits" version it became easy to find and could be picked up for $20.

Maybe that's a bad example, seeing as we're talking about going from PS1 to PSP and the fact that it's not a re-release of the same games only on a "Greatest Hits" list. Anyways what do you guys think?

[Richter Belmount]

of course

[stressboy]

A part of me hopes it does. I never played either of them :(

[Nate Nanjo]

The only thing is, I believe Konami announced that Suikoden I and II for the PSP wasn't coming to the US.

So no, I don't think the value will be affected.

[Richter Belmount]

x_x oh damn , I just hope that aint true dude , ridiciolous reasons for not releasing it here I guess.

[Putney]

I think that if it is released here, the price on the originals might take a hit, but I doubt it'll be too severe. Like you said, it's not like a greatest hits version or a reprint, it's a different game on a different system. Plus, there are many more PS1's and PS2's out there than PSP's.

I haven't kept up, but it'd probably be similar to price changes on Mega Man X2 & X3 once the MMX Collection came out on PS2/GC.

Now I just wish I had a manual for my Suikoden II so I'd have them both complete :)

[incubus421]

Thank you all for your opinions and input, just what I was looking for.
Not being released in the US....man that would be great if you ask me. I'm sure it would piss many people right the hell off though haha.
Well, I will be hoping for the best.

[segagamer4life]

The only thing is, I believe Konami announced that Suikoden I and II for the PSP wasn't coming to the US.

So no, I don't think the value will be affected.



man, as much as I don't want the value to take a HIT... I would love to have that on my PSP.. come on Konami!!!!!

[TurboGenesis]

Not being released in the US....man that would be great if you ask me.

Why would this be great? The Suikoden franchise is a fine RPG and the first two are great games. Its too bad that many great RPG's never make it to the US and are lost to westerners.

As for the value. It would be a PSP game and the console games should hold some value if the value is for rarity. Why does everyone desire Suikoden II, is it because it is a great game? Or is it because it is rare and people just want it for that reason? If it is rare than the value shouldn't be affected.

[incubus421]

Why would this be great? The Suikoden franchise is a fine RPG and the first two are great games. Its too bad that many great RPG's never make it to the US and are lost to westerners.

As for the value. It would be a PSP game and the console games should hold some value if the value is for rarity. Why does everyone desire Suikoden II, is it because it is a great game? Or is it because it is rare and people just want it for that reason? If it is rare than the value shouldn't be affected.

One, it would be great because I own both Suikoden I and II....and Suikoden II is rare and does go for good money (not that I'm planning to get rid of it). But if I already own both why would I want a PSP to come over and take value away from my originals? Assuming they would. That is why it would be great for it to stay unreleased in the US.

Two, yes, the game is pretty rare...but that's not my reasoning for buying it. I rented it at Family Video some years ago without knowing of the title before hand and loved it, I rented it three times in a row, beat it twice and still didn't have enough, so I decided I must have this game. To my surprise it was rare to find and I had to order it on ebay for over $100. To me it was well worth it because it is my favorite of all time and I find the replay value much better than most RPG's, I wasn't in to this game for it's rarity.

[TurboGenesis]

Why would this be great? The Suikoden franchise is a fine RPG and the first two are great games. Its too bad that many great RPG's never make it to the US and are lost to westerners.

As for the value. It would be a PSP game and the console games should hold some value if the value is for rarity. Why does everyone desire Suikoden II, is it because it is a great game? Or is it because it is rare and people just want it for that reason? If it is rare than the value shouldn't be affected.

One, it would be great because I own both Suikoden I and II....and Suikoden II is rare and does go for good money (not that I'm planning to get rid of it). But if I already own both why would I want a PSP to come over and take value away from my originals? Assuming they would. That is why it would be great for it to stay unreleased in the US.

Two, yes, the game is pretty rare...but that's not my reasoning for buying it. I rented it at Family Video some years ago without knowing of the title before hand and loved it, I rented it three times in a row, beat it twice and still didn't have enough, so I decided I must have this game. To my surprise it was rare to find and I had to order it on ebay for over $100. To me it was well worth it because it is my favorite of all time and I find the replay value much better than most RPG's, I wasn't in to this game for it's rarity.

I am at least glad that you honestly enjoy the game. I presonally feel that Suikoden II is the best in the whole series and Suikoden I is second best. I have all of them I-IV as well as Tactics and have V on reserve. It is nice that it does have some value but if it looses some I wouldn't worry about it. Glad you enjoy a good RPG!

[incubus421]

Rock on. We are on the exact same page as fas as the Suikoden series goes.
Two is definitly the best and my favorite followed by the first. I also own 1-4 and have 5 reserved.
To me Suikoden II is definitly one of the best RPG's of all time. Please no one rip on me for that comment...it's just an opinion :D

[jsiucho]

Why would this be great? The Suikoden franchise is a fine RPG and the first two are great games. Its too bad that many great RPG's never make it to the US and are lost to westerners.

As for the value. It would be a PSP game and the console games should hold some value if the value is for rarity. Why does everyone desire Suikoden II, is it because it is a great game? Or is it because it is rare and people just want it for that reason? If it is rare than the value shouldn't be affected.

One, it would be great because I own both Suikoden I and II....and Suikoden II is rare and does go for good money (not that I'm planning to get rid of it). But if I already own both why would I want a PSP to come over and take value away from my originals? Assuming they would. That is why it would be great for it to stay unreleased in the US.

Two, yes, the game is pretty rare...but that's not my reasoning for buying it. I rented it at Family Video some years ago without knowing of the title before hand and loved it, I rented it three times in a row, beat it twice and still didn't have enough, so I decided I must have this game. To my surprise it was rare to find and I had to order it on ebay for over $100. To me it was well worth it because it is my favorite of all time and I find the replay value much better than most RPG's, I wasn't in to this game for it's rarity.


Dude thats so greedy,, I hope this games gets realeased here for the psp, and the price on the originals go down. I happen to have the originals by the way,, I just hate ppl that treat games like they were stocks.


JS

[incubus421]

Dude thats so greedy,, I hope this games gets realeased here for the psp, and the price on the originals go down. I happen to have the originals by the way,, I just hate ppl that treat games like they were stocks. JS

Haha, don't take it so personally. It's ok to be greedy sometimes. As noted previously, I did not purchase this game for the sole purpose of it's rarity and value....I didn't buy it as a "stock" item....so don't hate me haha. Besides that it's not being all too greedy. I mean, who really wants the value of their shit to drop in value??? Certainly not me, if that's what makes me seem greedy then so be it.

[Stark]

Suikoden 2 is not rare. It's a great game and there is a high demand for it so that's why it holds it's value. Rare and Expensive can be confusing terms and in this games case it's not expensive because it's rare. Look it up in the DP guide.

The PSP combo would be cool if released in the USA but would not change the PS1 games value by much.

[Poofta!]

Thank you all for your opinions and input, just what I was looking for.
Not being released in the US....man that would be great if you ask me. I'm sure it would piss many people right the hell off though haha.
Well, I will be hoping for the best.


i hope you get some kind of STD...

and it is coming to the US.

[devilman]

Thank you all for your opinions and input, just what I was looking for.
Not being released in the US....man that would be great if you ask me. I'm sure it would piss many people right the hell off though haha.
Well, I will be hoping for the best.

'the best' would be for the release to happen. Personally I'd rather it was a PS2 release as I've no intention of owning a PSP.

[boatofcar]

I hope it does come out in the US, and I hope it does make the value of the PS games to go down. The less greedy collectors in our hobby the better.

[gepeto]

I hope it doesn't because I want companies to focus there energy on original ideas and concepts instead of rehashing old games trying to make a buck all while driving the franchise into the ground. It was fun seeing the 70's and early 80's games rereleased but come on. enough is enough get busy being creative and making new and innovative games.

The gaming industry is starting to look like the music industry. Singers and producers can't create new songs so they let the singer record someone else's old hit. Me personally I am tired of the hearing remakes of past hits just like I am also tired of rereleases.

[Poofta!]

I hope it doesn't because I want companies to focus there energy on original ideas and concepts instead of rehashing old games trying to make a buck all while driving the franchise into the ground. It was fun seeing the 70's and early 80's games rereleased but come on. enough is enough get busy being creative and making new and innovative games.

The gaming industry is starting to look like the music industry. Singers and producers can't create new songs so they let the singer record someone else's old hit. Me personally I am tired of the hearing remakes of past hits just like I am also tired of rereleases.


having a rehash or compilation come out in no way reflects what the rest of the company is working on. understand that it took probably 1-2 months to get suikoden 1 & 2 to run on the psp and complete it, with a full size team. this is konami, they have more than 1 team. not to mention this IS what the gamers want, so why not? instead of making another clone of a modern game, how about rereleasing some older things that still hold much leverage today.

[boatofcar]

I hope it doesn't because I want companies to focus there energy on original ideas and concepts instead of rehashing old games trying to make a buck all while driving the franchise into the ground. It was fun seeing the 70's and early 80's games rereleased but come on. enough is enough get busy being creative and making new and innovative games.

The gaming industry is starting to look like the music industry. Singers and producers can't create new songs so they let the singer record someone else's old hit. Me personally I am tired of the hearing remakes of past hits just like I am also tired of rereleases.


having a rehash or compilation come out in no way reflects what the rest of the company is working on. understand that it took probably 1-2 months to get suikoden 1 & 2 to run on the psp and complete it, with a full size team. this is konami, they have more than 1 team. not to mention this IS what the gamers want, so why not? instead of making another clone of a modern game, how about rereleasing some older things that still hold much leverage today.

Man poofta, that's like the first thing you've ever posted on DP that was intelligent.

gepeto, game companies want to make a profit. Obviously the folks at Konami have noticed how much fans are willing to pay for Suikoden, so rereleasing the first two games on a platform that needs more killer apps is a surefire hit. Companies will stop rereleasing games when people stop buying them. I for one, would rather play a good rerelease than the next big thing in RTS or FPS.

[incubus421]

Ah, this thread is graet!
As for me getting a STD....don't count on it haha.
As for Suikoden I & II coming over here. Oh well, I have the originals and don't care to have the PSP version. As for rarity of the game....it goes back to good old supply and demand. Yes, Suikoden II is a great game and demand is very high. But that's not the only reason for it's value. There is also a shorter supply of Suikoden II games, as it is in fact a RARE game. If this was not true it would not being going for so much.
If the demand for a game is great, but you can find the thing at every gaming store...the price would not be up over $100.
Even with the release of the two on the PSP coming over here, I doubt the the originals will take a value hit. An original is an original. If people have a chance to own the originals they will jump on it just as much, regardless of having the PSP versions or not.
For instance: Many of you complain about "Greatest Hits" and wanting the originals. And many of you would pay much more for originals then "greatest hits" versions. And in fact, the originals DO go for more then the "greatest Hits" versions.
One more thing, this thread was not intended to create controversy, this last bit might however. To anyone who thinks I need to get an STD, thinks I am being greedy, thinks I treat games as stock, and thinks I shouldn't be in this collecting business....I do not care about your opinions towards me, you're just being silly. I only care about your opinions towards Suikoden.

[gepeto]

I hope it doesn't because I want companies to focus there energy on original ideas and concepts instead of rehashing old games trying to make a buck all while driving the franchise into the ground. It was fun seeing the 70's and early 80's games rereleased but come on. enough is enough get busy being creative and making new and innovative games.

The gaming industry is starting to look like the music industry. Singers and producers can't create new songs so they let the singer record someone else's old hit. Me personally I am tired of the hearing remakes of past hits just like I am also tired of rereleases.



having a rehash or compilation come out in no way reflects what the rest of the company is working on. understand that it took probably 1-2 months to get suikoden 1 & 2 to run on the psp and complete it, with a full size team. this is konami, they have more than 1 team. not to mention this IS what the gamers want, so why not? instead of making another clone of a modern game, how about rereleasing some older things that still hold much leverage today.

Man poofta, that's like the first thing you've ever posted on DP that was intelligent.

gepeto, game companies want to make a profit. Obviously the folks at Konami have noticed how much fans are willing to pay for Suikoden, so rereleasing the first two games on a platform that needs more killer apps is a surefire hit. Companies will stop rereleasing games when people stop buying them. I for one, would rather play a good rerelease than the next big thing in RTS or FPS.

This counts for modern games as well lets get some originality not just updates on hit titles. I understand the profit side of things but in my opinion I just feel the industry has gone rerelease crazy. You have platium, greatest hits, players choice, special editions,Limited editions. Substience, Ports and compliations.

Another side to it is that I am starting to feel like I am wasting my money on some games. Example I pay 50.00 for snake eater only to have substience drop for 30.00. or 50 for devil may cry 3 only to have a better versions for 19.99.
Although these are 2 of the better rereleases.
For me it is easier said than done to not buy a game when it first comes out. Sometimes I am a passenger on the hype mobile.

Just wait. That would be the logical answer but I like supporting companies and I do feel like they should be sending me the enhancements for free.

[coreycorey2000]

It will drive down the price of the originals. I had 3 copies of Suikoden II and sold them all. I had 4 copies of Suikoden 1 and sold them as well. If it is released in North America then it becomes much easier for someone to get it. So then they don't have to pay big money for them on ebay. The series is great. It is one of my favorite series'. But I couldn't sit back and risk it being released in North America. I don't own a PSP but plan on buying them again once the price has went down.

[PapaStu]

Ah, this thread is graet!
As for me getting a STD....don't count on it haha.
As for Suikoden I & II coming over here. Oh well, I have the originals and don't care to have the PSP version. As for rarity of the game....it goes back to good old supply and demand. Yes, Suikoden II is a great game and demand is very high. But that's not the only reason for it's value. There is also a shorter supply of Suikoden II games, as it is in fact a RARE game. If this was not true it would not being going for so much.
If the demand for a game is great, but you can find the thing at every gaming store...the price would not be up over $100.
Even with the release of the two on the PSP coming over here, I doubt the the originals will take a value hit. An original is an original. If people have a chance to own the originals they will jump on it just as much, regardless of having the PSP versions or not.
For instance: Many of you complain about "Greatest Hits" and wanting the originals. And many of you would pay much more for originals then "greatest hits" versions. And in fact, the originals DO go for more then the "greatest Hits" versions.
One more thing, this thread was not intended to create controversy, this last bit might however. To anyone who thinks I need to get an STD, thinks I am being greedy, thinks I treat games as stock, and thinks I shouldn't be in this collecting business....I do not care about your opinions towards me, you're just being silly. I only care about your opinions towards Suikoden.

Its not 'Rare'. I walked into stores and bought my used copies of both one and two with NO problems less than a year before Suiko 3 was released for something like 20-25 apiece used. Around that same time the prices of #2 in particular (which was higher than most at the time, BECAUSE it was a great game that wasn't all over the place) started to really move up because of the compatability with 3 and the fact that PS2 RPG's were really starting to take hold in popularity. Backwards compatibility really helps a system when something like that when the game has a direct sequel tie in, and its really good. It sells for 100 everywhere now because thats what yahoo's are spending for it on ebay, store owners arn't going to be stupid and not know what their stock is worth if they can help it.

To get back to your primary question... In 'MY' opinion it will take down the value of the game some. Its not going to be a 5 buck game if this gets a Stateside release for the PSP, but it wont be a $120+ buck game either. When DragonBall GT Final Bout re-released at the end of the PS's run people were kicking and screaming that it wouldn't kill the games value since the BanDai one would now be the 'uber' rare version (since the game itself was rare up until the re-release, it was a possibility that this was going to happen). Instead with the Atari release the Original release lost almost ALL its value. I got mine about a month ago for something like 35 shipped off ebay. Other prime examples are Rhapsody, Persona 2, Rez and any other game that GDC has gotten re-released recently. Their ebay values were cut down right quick.

[Amy Rose]

Personally, I'm glad that Suikoden is getting a re-release, and not only so I can laugh at collectors bitching and moaning about their precious games deppreaciating in value.

It's a refreshing change to see decent games being re-released and letting gamers without a huge cash flow (or that aren't willing to spend more than a game's real worth on eBay) play the classics they missed out on the first time around. I'm all for it. I'd be happy for all the rare games I own to get a re-release, if only so others could play the games too. Because that's what gaming is about, not sitting on an investment.