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John Davison, editorial director for Ziff Davis Media's Game Group, penned three predictions for the PlayStation 3 launch in the April edition of Official PlayStation Magazine. Here's a quick summary:
1. Launch: "November in the United States" and "it won’t be a penny more than $399.99." (Because Sony's in big trouble if it cedes two holiday seasons to the Xbox 360. Plus, Microsoft has created a strong pricing precedent with the Xbox 360.)
2. The Dualshock 3: The boomerang ain't gonna fly. It's got no room for a battery pack. The new controller will likely look a lot like the PlayStation 2 controllers.
3. The games: Only a few games will be available at launch. Most of them won't utilize the full potential of the PS3. (We'd say that none will. It's just not possible until developers have more practice creating software for the PS3.) Davison writes, "the real jaw-droppers on the system aren’t going to be shown until E3 in 2007."
http://www.joystiq.com/
Joker T
03-12-2006, 03:49 PM
We should keep all this PS3 specualtion in one thread for gods sake @_@
heybtbm
03-12-2006, 03:54 PM
1. Launch: "November in the United States" and "it won’t be a penny more than $399.99." (Because Sony's in big trouble if it cedes two holiday seasons to the Xbox 360. Plus, Microsoft has created a strong pricing precedent with the Xbox 360.)
2. The Dualshock 3: The boomerang ain't gonna fly. It's got no room for a battery pack. The new controller will likely look a lot like the PlayStation 2 controllers.
3. The games: Only a few games will be available at launch. Most of them won't utilize the full potential of the PS3. (We'd say that none will. It's just not possible until developers have more practice creating software for the PS3.) Davison writes, "the real jaw-droppers on the system aren’t going to be shown until E3 in 2007."
http://www.joystiq.com/
1.) Makes sense. Sony has everything to loose and nothing to gain from making the PS3 more expensive than the 360.
2.) This rumor has already been blown out of the water several times in the past few months. The controller shown will be the controller sold. Embarrassing for a guy at OPM to make that mistake.
3.) Way to go out on a limb, OPM. Why even make this point when it's common sense. It's like saying, "We think the price of a PS3 will go down as the system ages. Expect a price drop in 2008.". They have some smart guys writing over at OPM.
THATinkjar
03-12-2006, 05:02 PM
We should keep all this PS3 specualtion in one thread for gods sake @_@
Right! This place is fast becoming a news site! Link, discuss. Link, discuss.
njiska
03-12-2006, 05:09 PM
We should keep all this PS3 specualtion in one thread for gods sake @_@
Right! This place is fast becoming a news site! Link, discuss. Link, discuss.
That is kind of the whole point of a Forum. Discussion. This is Modern Gaming and right now there's a lot going on, it's the start of a new gen. Makes prefect sense to me.
Of course we could stick to "My system has a bigger penis then your system" fanboy rantings if you like.
pacmanhat
03-12-2006, 05:23 PM
The only one I'm fully inclined to believe is the third one. The second one feels like a 'maybe' to me...the first one doesn't seem likely at all.
InsaneDavid
03-12-2006, 06:15 PM
I've never cared for "Johnny England" in the Ziff Davis bundle of publications but from time to time he says something with substance, such as this.
Sony themselves has said at some events since last year's E3 that the boomerang controller they showed was a development concept. Now if that was the truth or they were just backpeddling around a huge design screwup is anyone's guess - but at least they're responding to the reaction of their user base. Just the same, that controller design hasn't been seen much since.
Leo_A
03-12-2006, 06:25 PM
Where has Sony confirmed that's the final controller design?
njiska
03-12-2006, 08:11 PM
Where has Sony confirmed that's the final controller design?
Actually in many articles they've stated that that if essentially the final design, but it may under-go minor adjustments before it is released.
But they also said the PS3 is on track for a June Launch so who knows.
New Revolution game!
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/265.jpg
Joker T
03-12-2006, 08:30 PM
I wonder why it is rated M?
kainemaxwell
03-12-2006, 08:43 PM
Where has Sony confirmed that's the final controller design?
Actually in many articles they've stated that that if essentially the final design, but it may under-go minor adjustments before it is released.
But they also said the PS3 is on track for a June Launch so who knows.
At my store we were told it's launching in November and even have a picture of the system and the bommerang to advertise it.
Lozza
03-12-2006, 09:23 PM
New Revolution game!
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/265.jpg
WOW!!!!
That game would be so much better than Halo.
§ Gideon §
03-12-2006, 09:34 PM
Haha, I love that mock-up! Also, Sony's word is not a bond. They can change the controller even if they said they wouldn't. It's a win-win situation: They change the controller, and it's probably for the better. Or, they don't, and they told the truth... Now that I think about it, it's also a lose-lose situation, but I was just trying to look on the bright side.
Go Bob Ross!
njiska
03-12-2006, 09:57 PM
Haha, I love that mock-up! Also, Sony's word is not a bond. They can change the controller even if they said they wouldn't. It's a win-win situation: They change the controller, and it's probably for the better. Or, they don't, and they told the truth... Now that I think about it, it's also a lose-lose situation, but I was just trying to look on the bright side.
Go Bob Ross!
Damn it, you're right. We really are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Wolfrider31
03-12-2006, 10:16 PM
I have absolutely no clue as to why the PS3 team would have thought the Boomerang controller was a good idea. The DualShock is an incredibly intuitive and easy to handle controller with two generations behind its belt. The Boomerang just looks awful.
I think missing this holiday season would spell doom for Sony. I know I'm getting a new console come next holiday season, and if the XBox 360 is the only one out there than so be it. I'm not dropping another 6-700 dollars (CAN) on a system that will likely be almost identical in terms of game library.
Captain Wrong
03-13-2006, 08:28 AM
Of course we could stick to "My system has a bigger penis then your system" fanboy rantings if you like.
Invariably, that's what these threads become anyway. :roll:
That said, allow me to say again, don't diss the boomerang until you've held it. If it's anything like my old Apls PSX controller, you're really going to be suprized at how comfortable it is.
Of course we could stick to "My system has a bigger penis then your system" fanboy rantings if you like.
Invariably, that's what these threads become anyway. :roll:
That said, allow me to say again, don't diss the boomerang until you've held it. If it's anything like my old Apls PSX controller, you're really going to be suprized at how comfortable it is.
i seen the short clip of how it fits in the hand very impressive.
njiska
03-13-2006, 08:58 AM
Of course we could stick to "My system has a bigger penis then your system" fanboy rantings if you like.
Invariably, that's what these threads become anyway. :roll:
That said, allow me to say again, don't diss the boomerang until you've held it. If it's anything like my old Apls PSX controller, you're really going to be suprized at how comfortable it is.
i seen the short clip of how it fits in the hand very impressive.
It's true that it looks like it could be comfortable, but that will never stop the Bat-a-rang jokes. Even if it were to become the best controller ever it's still a joke. LOL
hezeuschrist
03-13-2006, 10:20 AM
Haha, I love that mock-up! Also, Sony's word is not a bond. They can change the controller even if they said they wouldn't. It's a win-win situation: They change the controller, and it's probably for the better. Or, they don't, and they told the truth... Now that I think about it, it's also a lose-lose situation, but I was just trying to look on the bright side.
Go Bob Ross!
Aint that the truth. I remember a little while ago trying to refute someones claim of, "Sony doesn't hype anything, the media and fanboys do."
So I went to www.playstation.com and clicked on North America. And then I clicked on news. And then I read the popup that you get when you do so.
NEWS DISCLAIMER
We're keeping our promise to deliver to you the very latest news in the world of PlayStation. The news stories that appear in this section are written by private media companies specializing in the video game industry. While we've taken great pains to select some of the best media sources in the industry, and are happy to provide this service to you, SCEA takes no responsibility for the accuracy of the content.
I guess they're right, Sony never says anything.
BrokenFlight
03-13-2006, 12:47 PM
Just a reminder of the size of the controller.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/5135/10176520ej6su.jpg
I think it would be fine if it was the same size as the older controllers, but it looks too small to be comfortable. Of course, I haven't held one, so I wouldn't know.
Matt-El
03-13-2006, 01:31 PM
Logo Like the Spider-Man movies and a controller the shape of a Batarang?
Does it have a cape like Superman's, too?
Nature Boy
03-17-2006, 04:25 PM
If Sony loses the Immersion lawsuit, don't they have to pay royalties on the DualShock design? Doesn't it make sense to change it at least *somewhat*? Why wouldn't the OPM guy pick up on that (he suggests it'll be similar to the PS1/PS2 controller?!?)
JJNova
03-18-2006, 01:41 PM
If Sony loses the Immersion lawsuit, don't they have to pay royalties on the DualShock design? Doesn't it make sense to change it at least *somewhat*? Why wouldn't the OPM guy pick up on that (he suggests it'll be similar to the PS1/PS2 controller?!?)
Sony lost, (although it's in appeals) and the penalty is a 15 Million USD package they have to pay to Immersion (own partially by Microsoft). Nothing like putting money in your competitors pocket. This really isn't a big deal, but if you review Sony's financial report (available on us.playstation.com ) then you will see that a lot of the company is being put at stake for the PS3. Rootkits, Immersion Lawsuits, Cell chips not working, Blu-Ray drives being unreliable.... It's going to be a hard fight in consumers eyes for a while. The early Blu-Ray launch to compete with HD-DVD might hurt them, unless they find a studio that can fill those discs with information and get the consumer to say "OH MY GOD, THIS IS AMAZING" more often than, "OMG, THIS SHIT IS BROKEN!!!"
Again, Sony has had 3 years since the lawsuit started in order to redesign the controller, and have heard a very public outcry toward the boomerang. A redesign from the DualShock is imminent. I don't think we have seen the final controller at all though. Not even remotely.
As for the "predictions" for the PS3. "No surprise there" was the first thing to come to mind. It's an editing technique that has been used for as long as ink dried to paper. Write somethign safe about something popular. Cover Story : Playstation 3 Predictions!" Inside Article : "Playstation 3 will be like most other consoles regarding launch." It's a prediction, so I guess they told the truth.
Nature Boy
03-20-2006, 09:00 AM
Rootkits, Immersion Lawsuits, Cell chips not working, Blu-Ray drives being unreliable.... It's going to be a hard fight in consumers eyes for a while.
Maybe. I honestly don't think most consumers care about stuff like that. The PS2 owners I know couldn't tell you that the PS2 has an "Emotion Engine" in it. They just know they like playing Ratchet and Clank on it.
All the moaning we hear about consoles failing (like the 360 stuff I've read here lately) is mostly just haterz having their fun. The majority of consoles sold perform quite well and their owners never have a problem. The thing is you usually only hear about failures because talking about how your machine is still doing just great is boring :)
I've read the article now in it's entirety and the author does also point out that everything is just guesswork, not based in fact at all, and that it's mostly to inspire debate, which has worked in spades here!
I admit I might have the Immersion thing wrong anyway, and the shape of the controller won't be an issue as far as that's concerned, but *my* guess is still that they'll seperate themselves a little from their past controller, if only to differentiate the machine itself.
Griking
03-20-2006, 09:12 AM
A redesign from the DualShock is imminent.
Sony shouldn't have to redesign the DualShock because of the Immersion lawsuit, just change the technology inside it that makes it vibrate. The design of the controller isn't an issue.
Nature Boy
03-21-2006, 09:48 AM
Sony shouldn't have to redesign the DualShock because of the Immersion lawsuit, just change the technology inside it that makes it vibrate. The design of the controller isn't an issue.
Depends on whether the redesigned innards would fit inside the current design or not. But yeah, you're correct.
What do people think about controller redesigns anyway - do they work in marketing the machine (like Nintendo has done), or is it better to stick with the same design (like Sony has, although you could argue that the launch controllers for each PS were in fact different...)
I kinda see both sides of the argument personally. Make it new since the tech is new (Nintendo did a good job of making N64 games that used the analog stick well, something they didn't have before). But I do so enjoy the PS controller...
diskoboy
03-21-2006, 01:31 PM
A. I'm sorry, but with the Blu-ray, I don't see this system selling for under $499.
B. Those controllers.... I'm an adult. Not the worlds record holder for having the worlds smallest hands. That controller is gonna blow.
C. I wouldn't buy a PS3 even if you gave me the money to do so. :D
njiska
03-21-2006, 01:53 PM
A. I'm sorry, but with the Blu-ray, I don't see this system selling for under $499.
Preach on brother.
B. Those controllers.... I'm an adult. Not the worlds record holder for having the worlds smallest hands. That controller is gonna blow.
Prehaps Sony is making the opposite mistake MS made by designing for the Japanese audience (face it they have smaller hands) instead of everyone.
C. I wouldn't buy a PS3 even if you gave me the money to do so. :D
I wish i could say that. Fucking Kojima.
diskoboy
03-21-2006, 02:11 PM
I wish i could say that. Fucking Kojima.
LOL with any luck, a 'remix' of MGS4 will be on the 360. It surprised everyone when MGS2 showed up on the 1st Xbox.
*knocks on wood*
njiska
03-21-2006, 02:22 PM
I wish i could say that. Fucking Kojima.
LOL with any luck, a 'remix' of MGS4 will be on the 360. It surprised everyone when MGS2 showed up on the 1st Xbox.
*knocks on wood*
Yes put let's take a moment to remember how much that port sucked.
Controller aside it had major issues, the biggest being massive frame rate drops on the XBOX but solid FPS on the PS2.
diskoboy
03-21-2006, 11:46 PM
Oh, and to back up my claim of not being under $499.
My local electronics store has all their HD-DVD info up.
$599.99 for the Toshiba model coming out in April. Now slap on a 60 gig hard drive, wireless controllers, etc.. It's just not economicaly possible. And I assume Blu-Ray players will probably carry the same price tag.
Sorry folks, Sony's not gonna lose $300 something a consloe.
Better hope you all win the lottery so you can purchase this machine.
njiska
03-22-2006, 05:02 AM
Oh, and to back up my claim of not being under $499.
My local electronics store has all their HD-DVD info up.
$599.99 for the Toshiba model coming out in April. Now slap on a 60 gig hard drive, wireless controllers, etc.. It's just not economicaly possible. And I assume Blu-Ray players will probably carry the same price tag.
Sorry folks, Sony's not gonna lose $300 something a consloe.
Better hope you all win the lottery so you can purchase this machine.
Actually currenlty available information shows that Blu-Ray players will be retailing in the $1000 range. It's expensive tech.