pressure sensitive buttons

[googlefest1]

back in the early days of the current gen systems - sales people were pushing the first party controllers because the third party controllers did not have pressure sensitive buttons and therefore the feature would not work

back then that seemed like it was the truth - especially with the ps2 controllers

what I’m wondering about is today’s 3rd party controllers - do they now have pressure sensitive buttons? -- I took a look yesterday at a few controller packages and none of them had any indication of pressure sensitive buttons

is that feature really helpful anyways – I’ve used nothing but first party controllers - so I don’t know the difference

I’m interested in a 3rd party controller for the ps2 because it kind of resembles an xbox controller and I like the feel of those better.

Any one know?

[JWKobayashi]

Any idea how many games actually use the analog buttons? The only one that I'm sure does is Mad Maestro.

Unless you're going to be playing games that actually use the feature I don't think that it matters.

[JLukas]

The only game I've played where the analog buttons were actually useful was in MGS2. You can slowly release the [] button to prevent from firing if you were about to shoot.

[Vectorman0]

MGS2/3 are the only games where I noticed them being useful. In Gran Tourismo 3, if I relaxed a little and let off the "gas" button, I would slow down; the pressure sensative buttons aren't always the best, for me at least.

I think the fact is, that not enough games make use of them at all, or make enough use of them. I can't really think of any other examples off the top of my head. As seen in the MGS games for PS2, there is surely plenty of untapped potential.

[chrisbid]

theyre pretty useless, unlike analog triggers or joysticks, there isnt much range to the pressure sensitivity

[Tan]

Any idea how many games actually use the analog buttons? The only one that I'm sure does is Mad Maestro.

Unless you're going to be playing games that actually use the feature I don't think that it matters.

Ace Combat 4 and 5 uses them as well.

[googlefest1]

I’ll be honest -- how about FPS games

the only reason I’m looking for this controller is that it has buttons like the triggers on a xbox controller. So, the only games im thinking of using this for would be FPSs and possibly driving games - otherwise I’d stick to using the sony controller for everything else

-- I’m surprised - I was under the impression that most games used the pressure sensitive buttons -- I only really knew of one that didn't - pirates legend of black kat

[c0ldb33r]

I can't get pressure sensitive face buttons to work anyway. The only ones I can ever get to work are the plenty-o'-range L&R buttons that are based on sega's original saturn analog pad.

AND I can't really think of many games that use them.

Didn't Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball use this somehow?

[Vectorman0]

theyre pretty useless, unlike analog triggers or joysticks, there isnt much range to the pressure sensitivity

MGS2/3 use them quite nicely. It may take 10 minutes to get used to it if you are not, but the games seems to show that there is enough range for them to be used. Just playing Metal Gear Online the past few nights, it has been nice only having to use one button to both draw the weapon at medium/low pressure and then fire when pressed harder.

[Sylentwulf]

Soccer games also use it. Actually, quite a bit more games use it than you'd think. Gran Turismo 3 used it for acceleration and brakes. Soccer games use it to charge up a shot kick. Mad Maestro, MGS, etc...etc..

[kedawa]

What I don't understand is why so many games that don't use them still require the DualShock 2.
It makes no sense that I can't use the DualShock, or even just the PSX digital controller on games that don't require anything beyond the functionality of those pads.

[googlefest1]

do you remember what games those were? - i never had a problem using a psx controller or a 3rd party psx controller

for some games i use a mad cats psx controller becasue i dont like the D-pad on the sony ones - and for some games i think the mad cats controller has better response -- for example space channel 5

[c0ldb33r]

do you remember what games those were? - i never had a problem using a psx controller or a 3rd party psx controller

Kingdom Hearts requires a Dual Shock 2 - I don't think it used the pressure sensitve buttons for anything.

[Flack]

The early Madden's used pressure sensitive buttons, I'm not sure if they still do or not.

[Xexyz]

I acn't stand pressure sensetive face buttons (glares at Dual Shock 2). Most of the games out there don't use them, and they lead to missed button clicks which can screw you up in a game. I find myself using a non-analog PS1 controller most of the time.

[Jasoco]

Jak II and 3 use them for vehicle speed.

[Candycab]

TOCA 3 on PS2 uses them

Personally I find them hard to get used to and there just doesnt seem to be enough travel. I usually put the death mash on them whether I want too or not :)

I have some other PS2 games that I know they work on aswell ,though I cant remember off the top of my head which ones they are since I always opt for the Analog Sticks over the buttons.

Its an interesting concept but hard to get into.

[SNKFan75]

So is having controllers with this feature still needed?

SNKFan75

[googlefest1]

has anyone compared the sensitivity of the analog sticks on the 3rd party ps2 controllers?

is there any 3rd party controller that matches the sensitivity?

what buggs me the most about 3rd party controllers is the sensitivity of the analog sticks

you cant just move them a tiny bit - you have to move them alot and when the movement is actualy registered - your moving too fast.

[Candycab]

has anyone compared the sensitivity of the analog sticks on the 3rd party ps2 controllers?

is there any 3rd party controller that matches the sensitivity?

what buggs me the most about 3rd party controllers is the sensitivity of the analog sticks

you cant just move them a tiny bit - you have to move them alot and when the movement is actualy registered - your moving too fast.


Yeah I totally agree ...

Though I dont use one myself since Im really happy with the factory Dual Shock, I have used a friends Logitech pad and it felt great, the travel was pretty close to the Dual Shock I think and so far if I was to go with an aftermarket pad I would seriously look at their lineup.

The few Pelican pads I have tried were complete junk. I like some of the Gravis pads too { my brother has one } I would still go Logitech though :)

[googlefest1]

for the price - i rather get a first party controller - unless the logitech has r2 and l2 set up more like trigger buttons

the one reason i picke up the pelican controllers ( besides the glow- yea i like it) was that it had buttons set up kind of like trigger buttons

i was hoping i would eventualy come across a fps that allowed you to map your buttons -- so far ive tried only one and it didn't alow that

[Tan]

I’ll be honest -- how about FPS games

the only reason I’m looking for this controller is that it has buttons like the triggers on a xbox controller. So, the only games im thinking of using this for would be FPSs and possibly driving games - otherwise I’d stick to using the sony controller for everything else

-- I’m surprised - I was under the impression that most games used the pressure sensitive buttons -- I only really knew of one that didn't - pirates legend of black kat

i use optical mouse/keyboard or optical trackball keyboard for ps2 FPS's, especially if they are PC ports, and i've gotten used to gas/brake on triggers, so other than the previously mentioned ace combat i can live without it.

the L and R buttons on a dual shock 2 must be partial sensitive? i know when hitting the throttle in Ace you need to really punch it for the afterburners to kick in, otherwise you only get full throttle by pressing it.

[sleepycal]

What I don't understand is why so many games that don't use them still require the DualShock 2.
It makes no sense that I can't use the DualShock, or even just the PSX digital controller on games that don't require anything beyond the functionality of those pads.


Who says you can't use the Dual shock?

I've used it on many games just because I felt like it. The only game I had a problem was on RE Code Veronica. I don't think it worked properly at all. Not even sure why.

[lordnikon]

I personally don't like pressure sensitive buttons. Controllers that use them do not last as long. Especially if you play a lot of racing games, where you are jamming down on the accelerator.

The only pressure sensitive analog button that was great for such things, was the triggers on the Dreamcast Controller. Talk about perfect for brake / accelerate for driving games. It was also built well, using a spring instead of squishy rubber.

The PS2 Dual Shock 2 is like a sponge. If I twisted the thing it would shatter in my hands. For all games that support the original Dual Shock 1, this is what I use instead. The thing is built like a tank. You press a button, and you get instant response!

I am a huge fan of the Playstation dual analog setup, and I use the dual shock 2 on the games I own that require it. However the controllers fluffy construction makes me nervious. It's built for comfort, but not for longevity.