Laugh at me.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Due to a mistake, I was late in shipping an item to one of my buyers. I contacted him and informed him that I would ship the item two days after the original ship date, and that I would give him a $2 shipping refund for the trouble. He said it was fine and that he didn't need the refund, but still - it's a matter of principle, you know?

Well, last night I issued the refund, and just after I finished, I realized that I had given the refund to the wrong person. So I emailed the guy that I gave the refund to and explained the mistake, and asked him to please return the money I accidentally refunded.

The guy hasn't replied yet. Something tells me he won't reply at all.

Think it would be a bad thing to give him a negative once, and if, he leaves me feedback, for ignoring my request? (YARR VENGEANCE)

[jajaja]

I know its the priciple, but its only 2 dollars. Is a negative worth that little?

[Steven]

sounds like 'karma' to me. You should always double check before you refund or send any money, period.... you want to make sure it's the right guy. You're lucky it was just 2 bucks, but then again if it was 20+ I'm sure you would have confirmed it was the right person.

Anyway, on 2nd thought maybe its not karma you did offer the refund, and when he said no you still went ahead and did it.

I know when you have many transactions sometimes one gets lost in the shuffle... that buyer always sucks to be them of the lot, but it's nothing personal -- human error.

[kevin_psx]

I emailed the guy that I gave the refund to and explained the mistake, and asked him to please return the money I accidentally refunded.

The guy hasn't replied yet. Something tells me he won't reply at all.

He owes you $2.00 and though it was Your mistake-- he should still pay you. It's the honest thing to do. File non-paying dispute if he does not return the 2 dollars.

P.S. Did you send him a "request money" transaction via paypal?

[jajaja]

sounds like 'karma' to me. You should always double check before you refund or send any money, period.... you want to make sure it's the right guy. You're lucky it was just 2 bucks, but then again if it was 20+ I'm sure you would have confirmed it was the right person.

Anyway, on 2nd thought maybe its not karma you did offer the refund, and when he said no you still went ahead and did it.

lol please.. stop talking about karma. Since that damn TV show have started so many people talk about karma when something bad happends. Or maybe you are hindu? Its ok that your a religious man, but please dont talk spread religious stuff on this forum. I dont mind that people belive in it of course, but must they talk about it all the time? How would it look if alot of people would say "thats god punishing you" instead? Its the exact same thing.

Hopefully the karma hype will stop when the show stop. I remember the sin hype after Passion of the Christ was showing in the theater. Luckily it stopped when the movie was getting old.

[Steven]

Hmm, I am actually not religious at all. But like you said let's stay away from that.

Me personally, I don't even associate karma directly with religion. To me they're two separate entities but I will not go into why it is I believe that.

Anyway, I made a topic about karma maybe 2 weeks back, and mentioned karma here in my original reply because I thought it might fit, but other than those 2 times I don't talk about karma a lot. I assume you caught me twice and are just concerned it will become a habit but rest assured I am not here to spread "the holy gospel." So I think you're overblowing the situation a bit by coming out and telling me what you just did. But no biggie. I didn't view it as an attack on me or anything.

[jajaja]

Good, because it was not ment as an attack or anything negative towards you. I was mostly speaking in general. Karma has alot to do with religion. They belive its what happends to you in life and what you will be reborn as.
As i said, if you want to belive it in its fine of course, but can i ask you, what do you think karma is?

[scorch56]

"Karma" is NOT a concept associated with Christian religion. I've always thought it should be though. Perhaps if more Christians believed in it.. we wouldn't have half the problems with the rest of the world that we do know.

Living a life based on the concept of karma is very difficult for the average human being because it literally forces you to examine your every action and it's consequences.

It is best left to old "hippies" like me (it makes me a better person); and I don't know anything about it being the "in" thing right now.. I barely watch TV except for PBS.

I'm not looking for a flame war over this.. it just disgusts me when someone comes here and tries to talk in generalities only to be misinterpreted by someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

Let the bible thumping begin!

BTW.. the belief in Karma predates Hinduism by eons.

[yok-dfa]

The guy hasn't replied yet. Something tells me he won't reply at all.

Not everyone checks his email every minute you know. :hmm: And although returning the $2 would be the right thing to do, you can't really blame someone else for your mistake...

[jajaja]

I'm not looking for a flame war over this.. it just disgusts me when someone comes here and tries to talk in generalities only to be misinterpreted by someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

I dont know if this message was ment for me, but if so i dont know what your talking about. What i ment with "in general" was that i didnt talk just about steven. He isnt the only one who have talked about karma, thats why i mentioned it. All i did was to say my opinion and state some facts about karma.

EDIT: typo.

[scorch56]

Karma is simply a belief that whatever one does in their life.. comes back to them three-fold.

I don't necessaarily take that as a 100% fool-proof statement.. but just believing that it DOES happen.. I believe.. guides me in the way I deal with others.

It's kind of like the Christian precept; "Do unto others..". Too bad we ALL don't live by either of these concepts.. there'd be less killing in the world.

That's all I've got to say about this before it escalates.

[jajaja]

Of course, if your nice to people, people are nice back at you, thats logical. But when i hear ppl talk about karma it sounds to me like they mean some kinda force or spirit. I dont belive in that. Someone also thinks that if you do alot of good things you get better luck etc. But for example, the chances for a good guy or a bad guy to get hit by a car is the same if they both cross traffic at the same time.

[Sniderman]

Think it would be a bad thing to give him a negative once, and if, he leaves me feedback, for ignoring my request? (YARR VENGEANCE)Give him a negative due to your own dumbassery? Bad form. Lesson learned. Suck it up. Eat the loss. And be more careful next time.

[Darth Sensei]

Think it would be a bad thing to give him a negative once, and if, he leaves me feedback, for ignoring my request? (YARR VENGEANCE)Give him a negative due to your own dumbassery? Bad form. Lesson learned. Suck it up. Eat the loss. And be more careful next time.

I agree with Schultz. Just let it go.

[kevin_psx]

sounds like 'karma' to me. Its ok that your a religious man, but please dont talk spread religious stuff on this forum. I dont mind that people belive in it of course, but must they talk about it all the time? How would it look if alot of people would say "thats god punishing you" instead?

Religious people have the same right to say "god is punishing you" or "your bad karma has led to this".....

....as you/I have to say "what goes around, comes around". That they are religious =/= Lesser Citizens who can not speak freely.

Learn tolerance. Just ignore it.
Or if it bothers you-- don't listen.

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The alternative --"dont talk religious stuff"-- --taking away a person's right to speak freely-- is too horrible to comtemplate. And anti-thetical to the foundation of this nation.

[jajaja]

sounds like 'karma' to me. Its ok that your a religious man, but please dont talk spread religious stuff on this forum. I dont mind that people belive in it of course, but must they talk about it all the time? How would it look if alot of people would say "thats god punishing you" instead?

Religious people have the same right to say "god is punishing you" or "your bad karma has led to this".....

....as you/I have to say "what goes around, comes around". That they are religious =/= Lesser Citizens who can not speak freely.

Learn tolerance. Just ignore it.
Or if it bothers you-- don't listen.

.

The alternative --"dont talk religious stuff"-- --taking away a person's right to speak freely-- is too horrible to comtemplate. And anti-thetical to the foundation of this nation.

Well.. this is basicly what i said. I havnt mentioned anything about someone not having the right to say anything. Im just saying that i wouldnt like it if people used it on this forum. How would you like it if someone said "god is punishing you" i every thread you have about ebay problems? I dont want to start a huge discussion about this, not worth wasting time and energy on it. All i did was to state my opinion, nothing else.

[kevin_psx]

The alternative --taking away a person's right to speak freely-- is too horrible to comtemplate. And anti-thetical to the foundation of this nation. Well.. this is basicly what i said. I havnt mentioned anything about someone not having the right to say anything.

"Dont talk religious stuff" is what you said. i.e. Not having the right to speak freely.

Probably not your intent but that's how it sounded. I find that "don't talk" phrase FAR FAR more offensive than talk about karma or god. Gov't restriction on freedom (with threat of imprisonment or death) is the greater evil.

"Dont talk religious stuff" --even though you did not intend it that way-- set off a red alert in my pro-liberty/pro-freedom/pro-rights programming. "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied. Chains us all irrevocably." The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged.

[XianXi]

Dont bash "My name is Earl", I love that show.

[jajaja]

"Dont talk religious stuff" is what you said. i.e. Not having the right to speak freely.

You must read the rest too. I find it unessesarry to use "imo" infront of every sentence i use. I also used the word "please" that you forgot to qutote. Even if was a "command" or what i shall say he doesnt have to follow what i say :P But as ive mentioned several of times now, i was only saying my opinion. It was not a personal attack or something negative towards steven.
Please dont try to make this discussion into something bigger.

[kevin_psx]

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied. Chains us all irrevocably." The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged. IMO.

[jajaja]

Well.. yea, but you made it sound like i took away steven's freedom hehe :P

[Kitsune Sniper]

Hell, I was only asking. I had a taste for vengeance yesterday. LOL

In truth, I really don't believe in karma and stuff. Does it exist? Maybe, but I really don't know about it. There's a lot of people who have hurt me in so many ways, and they're still at the top of the world, so maybe it doesn't apply to me.

Anyway, I'm surprised nobody's commented on the fact that I gave a $2 refund. I didn't do it because it would bite me in the ass or affect me in the long run; I really thought I should give the guy a refund because I messed up. He would've gotten the item by saturday if I had shipped it on the date I gave him, but due to my mistake he had to wait two more days.

You know, not everyone is out to scam buyers out of their hard earned money. :P

[jajaja]

Anyway, I'm surprised nobody's commented on the fact that I gave a $2 refund. I didn't do it because it would bite me in the ass or affect me in the long run; I really thought I should give the guy a refund because I messed up. He would've gotten the item by saturday if I had shipped it on the date I gave him, but due to my mistake he had to wait two more days.

Id say your a good seller if you do stuff like that. The customers will remember stuff like this and return to do more business and spread the good word :)

Im like that too. I have never been delayed with shipping but it have happend that i charged ~$1 more in shipping because i thought it was heavier, but when i buy stamps its cheaper. I then offer the buyer to refund what he/she payed too much. But that is because of my kindness, not karma or anything else hehe.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Id say your a good seller if you do stuff like that. The customers will remember stuff like this and return to do more business and spread the good word :)

Im like that too. I have never been delayed with shipping but it have happend that i charged ~$1 more in shipping because i thought it was heavier, but when i buy stamps its cheaper. I then offer the buyer to refund what he/she payed too much. But that is because of my kindness, not karma or anything else hehe.

On that note, I just came back from the post office after shipping these two items (1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9700740900)) (2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9700742441)) to one buyer, whom I charged $9 for shipping. It actually ended up costing $5.50 to ship the items, so I'm giving him a $2.50 refund (I normally charge $1 for shipping and handling, to cover bus fare).

Heck, last thursday I shipped a package to Germany, and I thought it was going to be $20, but it ended up costing $12.50 to ship the item so I gave the guy a $6.50 refund. On items that have my flat rates ($5-$6 to ship) I rarely give refunds, but when I ship multiple items to one buyer, or ship via Global Priority Mail, I give refunds all the time.

I guess I do this because there's so many people who overcharge for shipping when they ship stuff. Typical "Charge $6, get the item via Media Mail" situations.

[XianXi]

He would've gotten the item by saturday if I had shipped it on the date I gave him, but due to my mistake he had to wait two more days.


Thats not a guarantee. There has been countless times I have shipped stuff Priority on a Monday but it doesnt arrive until Tuesday or Wednesday of the following week.

But I like you because you are a straight shooter. If you told me that I would be happy since you gave me an update but I wouldnt want a refund unless it was after the fact that the package arrived 3 weeks later. Like that bastard that accidentaly shipped it Parcel when I paid for Priority and in the auction it said Priority. The whole time I was waiting and asking him where it was he kept blaming USPS for it but when I got it and it said Parcel post I was pissed. I emailed him 4 times, no response. He knew it was his fault, sent him a pic and everything. Still no response so I negged him.

[ClubNinja]

LOL!

You asked.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Thats not a guarantee. There has been countless times I have shipped stuff Priority on a Monday but it doesnt arrive until Tuesday or Wednesday of the following week.

But I like you because you are a straight shooter. If you told me that I would be happy since you gave me an update but I wouldnt want a refund unless it was after the fact that the package arrived 3 weeks later.

On average, my packages arrive three days after shipping; most times they only take two days.

Oh, and the guy that I just gave the refund to? The one I mentioned in my last reply? He sent this email after I refunded him:


Thank you very much!

I rarely meet a seller with such honesty. (Or any person anywhere in that
matter)
Thank you very much for your kind refund. I hope you'll be pleased to know that I just posted positive feedback for you even though I have yet to receive the item.

Have a good day!
regards,

Ferry

This alone made my day. :)