Xbox 360 returns? When are they gonna end?

[meancode]

I too have one of those snazzy Samsung LCD TVs with 720p and 1080i. It is super cool yo! And yep, I even use those component cables.

I have done testing of the 360 in a wide range of resolutions (480i to 1080i) and the highlights/shadows don't look off to me.

I have yet to see white or black lines in the 3-D environments. I see highlights and shadows around foreground and background objects.

And neonesmaster, as if I had respect for you in the first place, the attack on Gamereviewgod was uncalled for -- and frankly pissed me off. As Njiska said, if anyone is suited to making claims about the graphics of a game, it is Gamereviewgod, as he scrutinizes over the graphics for every game he reviews.

Now, I really hope that you can realize that the graphical glitches are not MS's fault. Yes, it is a shame they slipped through QA and final certification, but it happens. I think Call of Duty 2 is, so far, the best example of how a developer can make a game better after retail. But then, those fixes had nothing to do with the graphics.

Will people bring a console back to the store because of a bad game, or game glitches/problems? Sure they will. Why do they do it? Because they do not know any better.

To put things politely, the majority of people who buy game consoles are idiots.

[neonesmaster]

All we're asking for is proof. Any kind. Give us some facts, not baseless opinions that are barely coherent


what white lines? look at this picture of the guy serving the ball and tell me that that is not a white line outlining the back half of his left leg. i could understand if that was a woman and her legs were just shaved so the sun reflected off her silky smooth skin, but this is a dude...!!! nice shiny soft silky legs man? YEAH RIGHT got a give you a hand for pointing out exactly what i was saying. but in your defense?

"its not microsoft's problem its in the developers hand.!" WHO CARES! ITS STILL THERE!




Find me "white lines" on those screens I put up this morning. They are under some heavy .jpg compression, but they still show the details needed.

im sure you can point out that its a smaller picture and make up some osrt of a lie, but right there is your proof. look at the outlining....>! thats all this arguing is about and your pictures reveal all im trying to say with the small picture character outline facts.

right there in pictorial format

http://www.rewiredmind.com/gamemedia/topspin2/s/topspin2-7.jpg


thank you for posting the pictures.

last time i posted pics you the thread went haywire and some losers were talkin some more trash.

so how do you defend the white lines mentioned before from the proof in this picture. play the game and you get the same outlines.



the sun is clearly coming from his right sde by the sun on his chest, so why would the sun also be reflecting off his shiny legs?????

riddle me that!

[neonesmaster]

by the way the game sin the dp arcade kick ass!!!!

i challenge anyone to beat my high scor for space invaders, but hey...


THATS IN ANOTHER FORUM THREAD>

[njiska]

The only place where i see any white on the back of his leg is where the raquet is and it looks to me like and artifact from the rescale and the JPEG compression.

[Slimedog]

Are you talking about the guy's socks? Where are the white lines? I see some light sourcing on they guys arm and face, but the only white lines I'm seeing in this pic are on the court.

I just grabbed three people and asked them to help me look for white lines on this guys legs. Now they all think I'm gay. But nobody sees any lines.

[Gamereviewgod]

I'm not seeing it either. And why would his leg be the only thing "outlined?" It could be the change in contrast from the bright court to the darker leg. Even in real life, that can cause a "halo," but I'm not seeing it in that pic. Put your hand in front of a bright window and you'll see something like a line around it, but that's how some people's eyes work. I'm sure there's a name for it, but I'm not an eye doctor.

Tell you what. Snag that pic, send it into paint, circle the spot you're talking about, and post it. If you want me to host it, send it my way and I'll pop it into the review page for a bit.

[meancode]

I really wish I had a better quality shot to start with. I looked around, and could not find this exact shot. But here it is, blown up for you all to see.

Frankly, even before I look at it blown up, it looks like a rather photo realistic representation of Federer. The sun should look like that on a court with an open roof. There is no white line there.

If you look at the shadow of his feed and legs, the light source is coming from the upper right, so right at him. This makes his legs back-lit, and as I just said, is a rather photo realistic representation of what it would look like in real life or on TV.

I cannot put it any simpler than this: it is how our eyes work. As Gamereviewgod said. Back-lit objects will have this effect, that is how they look in real life.

http://breakingwindows.com/assets/images/federer.gif

[Gamereviewgod]

The fact that someone even needed to go through the trouble of blowing that up to prove it's nothing is pathetic.

Then again, when all pixelated like that, his shoes look like a watercolor.

[meancode]

And that water looks horrible!

Oh, wait, wrong thread...

[nik]

White lines everywhere!@!@

[Yago]

I am under the impression that the only white lines he is seeing are the ones on the mirror in front of him. :D

[jdc]

If this thread is indeed serious, I had horizontal white lines appear during Oblivion. I removed the disc and ran a wet cleaner through the system. White lines gone.

[neonesmaster]

ok, the responses i have recieved in the thread were expected about the white lines. some sort of eye problems?

i understand.

how about we try this today to show where the graphics ar elacking in a huge capability. take tomb raider for example.

walk lare over to the water and jump in. notice her clothes dont look wet. not so big of a deal, but move the cameras around her and look at where her legs meet the water. just a solid break in graphic code between her leg and the water. was she really standing in water? shouldnt there be a little bit of mix between her leg and maybe some mist from the water.

ive searched all morning for a pic of this but cant get one except for with a digital photo., and id rather not post my pics on line again cause there are some non believers out there, but thats another thread.

what are your thoughts guys on the water effect the graphics have on tomb raider?

[Gamereviewgod]

I wasn't even looking close enough to see something like that It's a port, and a decent one at that. I should be getting through TR today, so I'll take a look at the water effect. What level did you see this apparent glitch that's causing you to grasp at straws?

[neonesmaster]

tomb raider legends is by far the sweetest game the 360 has brought my way. the game looks sweet the graphics are for real and the play is apparently good.


gamereviewgod says
What level did you see this apparent glitch that's causing you to grasp at straws?

im notreally trying to grasp for straws, but the level i noticed the water on was the first level. i thought it was sweet looking so i took some time and jumped in to the water.

the water looked great from every angle as we all expected, but the girl charater cant seem to really be included into the awesomness of the superior water. where is the character/background capability?

thats all im looking for. i want to be in the game, not just moving a pixel....

i might as well be playing asteroids or combat!

let me kow what you think of the water. i also saw when i moved close to the camera or other words, bring lara to the front of the screen you are playing on. ove around the angles, i took a video of it on my phone and i can send it to you, but the closer she got to the front ground, the camera and shading seemed to get glitchy. they played a factor in creating wierd pixels on the character herself. if i can send you the video let me know...

[blissfulnoise]

I think the crux of his arguement at this point is that he's just not wowed enough by his 360.

And that's fair.

After all, like I said much earlier, people who have been playing games on high end PCs have seen all this stuff before in terms of graphical prowess. It's not like the leap from say, the Super Nintendo to the Nintendo 64. Or even the Playstation to the Playstation 2. At least not yet anyway.

But the OP shouldn't be going about pleading his case by bringing up things like minor graphical glitches when you turn the camera "just-so" or by using "why doesn't the game have this cool effect I'd like to see" arguments. After all, you'll be making those same claims for as long as video games, or indeed visual entertainment, exist.

Unless the OP wants to do a paradigm shift and bring up something new, tangible, and credible, this topic is WAY done. It's went from a topic about xbox360 defects, to xbox360 vs PS3/Rev (???), to xbox360 bashing, to nitpicking shaders in a tennis game.

...pull the life-support already.

[neonesmaster]

its all here in this thread blissfulnoise is an xbox lover and doesnt realize that a company does not make any money selling microsoft.

thanks for being a dick.....!


sony is the first and last gaming developer to know what makes a business sell!!!!!!

thank you

ace is out

[blissfulnoise]

I just died a little inside.

[njiska]

its all here in this thread blissfulnoise is an xbox lover and doesnt realize that a company does not make any money selling microsoft.

thanks for being a dick.....!


sony is the first and last gaming developer to know what makes a business sell!!!!!!

thank you

ace is out

Please fuck off and don't attack the good contributors here.

Blissfulnoise is correct in every way. Your arguments don't carry water and your complaints are petty, absurd, and in my opinion just palin insane. You're whole arguement is, I don't like it because i don't like it. Look at these non-flawed, industry standard effect like decals, that's not next-gen, wah, wah, wah, Microsoft is screwing you.


sony is the first and last gaming developer to know what makes a business sell!!!!!!

Do you hear the phoning ringing? It's creditbility calling to say he's leaving you forever. That comment is just asinine.

I had hoped this thread would just up and die, but mods maybe it's time you killed it for us since the issue is pretty much dead and all that is left is anger.

[gepeto]

I think Microsoft did a great job with the 360 The xbox live network community and such.

The xbox 360 is a powerful machine. Some of the launch games were polished and took advantage some were straight ports.

The ps2 launch was the same way. I laugh at the call of duty 2 issue. The consesus of call of duty 2 for the 360 being outstanding top notch etc. was 93% I never heard anyone complain about the graphics.

Shortly after the ps2 launch I heard people talking about jaggies this and jaggies that. I honestly was sick of the complaining. I often wondered why people were spending time looking for jaggies instead of enjoying the game.

Fact one people can be so stupid. they become a vehicle for the enemy and don't even know it. Example the dreamcast launch. A FEW people had issues with a very few number of games. The media gets a hold of the story. The competition fans the negative press flames all of a sudden 500,000 defective games coming back most of which are perfectly fine. People just returning them just in case.

Here is how people you have been played out buy of all companies sony. I am sure you seen the killzone Video and like everyone was blown away. but the key here is video.
Sony through it out there to make the 360 games look like crap. Alot of people bit on the lie and are still chewing.

Most launches have some issue that gets overblown. the competition and fanboy and haters saddle up and do there best to bring down the systems.

As far as the xbox comparison. I am still in awe of what the programmers are squeezing out of it. Sure Ninja gaiden black looks like a possible 360 game. But the xbox is doing all it can and is running on all thrusters to get what you see on screen and the 360 can do it easily.

The 360 programming is in its infancy. I think that the lack of creativity in games the flood of ports have numb alot of gamers. But lets face it the wow factor is gone. This isn't the jump from the 8/16 bit that the psx was. During that era everyone was looking for the next big thing.

Closing comments. I love all systems but if you are gonna criticize you gotta be fair. The dreamcast was the victim of the competition lies and hype and bad management. The hype caused 3rd partys from doing business with them. The system could've easily lasted 4 years. I personally perfer the dreamcast over the n64. Like I said before isn't it funny how the dreamcast got dumped on for being the least powerful yet the revolution is least powerful and the same standard don't apply.

You think your dissapointed now wait until the ps3 games get launched. You might quit gaming all together by the small jump in graphics. There will be no Wow there either.