What should I call the SNES Final Fantasies?

[XYXZYZ]

Whenever I get into a Final Fantasy conversation, "What's your favorite" usually comes up, and the only FF games I really enjoy are FF II and FF III for the SNES.

Or is that FF IV and FF VI? For any of you who don't know, here's how the Final Fantasy releases went, and how they were named-

JAPAN-----WEST

Final Fantasy --- Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy II --- X
Final Fantasy III --- X
Final Fantasy IV --- Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy V --- X
Final Fantasy VI --- Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy VII --- Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII---Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX---Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X---Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XI---Final Fantasy XI

So II and III on the Famicom were never released over here, nor was V on the Super Famicom. But aren't they available now, in remake packages? And they're still called II and III and V?

So do I keep referring to the FF SNES games I loved FF II and FF III, or should I call them FF IV and FF VI? I feel wierd calling them IV and VI, because the games I played were called II and III... but if I call them that, people may think I mean the Famicom games we never got. And if I call them IV and VI, people may think I mean the remakes or the imports of the Super Famicom games, when I'm really talking about the original SNES cartridges. Maybe I should just say "The Super Nintendo ones."

Basically I'm getting sick of saying "My favorite Final Fantasy games are two and three.... or, ahh, four and six, you know what I mean."

It's the same as all this M.Bison/Vega shit, why must life be so complicated?!x_x

[Veepa]

It's like when Europeans refer to what we call football, they call it American Football.. because they call soccer football.

For example just call it American Final Fantasy II.

[Daria]

Or how about just calling it Final Fantasy II for Super Nintendo, since what the Japanese had was in fact a Super Famicom.

[-SuperYoshi-]

I still call them II and III, if I'm talking about the Japanese II and III, then, well, I just call them the Japanese II and III.

[Snapple]

When referring to FF4 and FF6, there's no confusion there if you call them FF4 and FF6, because no other games share those numbers, right? I think for that reason most people refer to the Japanese numbers.

In all the re-releases, like for PS1 and GBA, those games are referred to as 4 and 6 now, not 2 and 3.

If you want to refer to the true 2 and 3, for the NES, most people say FF2j and FF3j. Yeah, it's confusing at first, but blame Square for changing the names around on us in the first place.

And Final Fantasy 5 is Final Fantasy 5. There is no alternate name, so no problem there.

[MrRoboto19XX]

I either just use the japanese numbering, or say it like so:

Im a big fan of Final Fantasy III (VI).

Chances are if youre in such a discussion, the people there will know what youre talking of.

[Fuyukaze]

Myself, if I know I'm around Japan whores who must call everything by its japanese name no matter what, I call it FF4 and FF6. If I'm in the company of people who refuse to play anything not in their own native language because they are too afraid of a few menu selections or care more about reading the title instead of playing the game, I call it FF2 and FF3. If I'm around people who like playing games more then being able to read a bunch of text that says who made the game or what useless item A does, then I call it that first or second FF game for the SNES. Call it what you want. If people get bent outa shape over you callin it somethin different then what they want, simply ask em if they are paid by Square to make an ass of themselves if public. If they actualy do answer that they are not paid turds, then ask em why its so important that they must have it said their way and only their way. Oh, and should they say they are paid by square to make themselves look a tool, remind them they are doing a mighty fine job of it and if not for their wonderfull personalities, you'd probly care what they had to say.

[Julio III]

I was under the impression that most games have been released in America now, for either the PlayStation or Game Boy Advance under the original Japanese numbering system. This makes most sense to me.

Specifying FF 4 or 6 is easy but its when people mentioned 2 or 3 that confusion sometimes happens. I used to get confused with FFX-2, thinking it was 12.

[Mayhem]

Call them IV and VI personally now. Even said, II in the US is actually "IV easy" rather than the original IV released in Japan.

[smokehouse]

I find that if I am talking about final Fantasy with someone, they always know what I’m talking about. I’ll normally include the system name when talking about any titles before VII.

“Hey, in FFII for the SNES…….”

“Hey, what did you think of FFIII on the Famicom……”

Unless I’m wrong I’ve never had a problem with describing a FF game.

[c0ldb33r]

I've always called them as follows:

NES/Famicom
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy 2J
Final Fantasy 3J

SNES
Final Fantasy 4J
Final Fantasy 5J
Final Fantasy 6J

If I ever say the title without the J, it's the North American one.

After that they're unchanged of course.

I find this quicker than saying, "Final Fantasy 4, but was released as 2 over here because we didn't get 2 or 3". While some people might be confused by this, the people that I'd discuss this type of thing with would know what I mean.

[Griking]

*shrug* I call the game whatever the name on the box says it is. If I need to follow up by telling someone that's it's the US version of the game then so be it.

[Aussie2B]

Or how about just calling it Final Fantasy II for Super Nintendo, since what the Japanese had was in fact a Super Famicom.

That's the best suggestion, I'd say.

Generally, the people who are most anal about using the Japanese titles of the Final Fantasy games are the same sorts who insist on using "Aerith" yet have never touched a Japanese import in their life (and are too close-minded and afraid to ever consider doing so). In other words, they're idiots. They're complete hypocrites, so if they get huffy that you're not using the title they want you to use, screw 'em. It's not like they hold the same standards to other series. You won't generally see them call Secret of Mana as "Seiken Densetsu 2", the Final Fantasy Legend series as "SaGa", Resident Evil as "Biohazard", Fatal Fury as "Garou Densetsu", etc. The fact of the matter is that these sorts usually aren't even informed enough about Japanese games to be aware that those games have different titles in Japan. And as far as getting numbering right, I constantly see these sorts refering to the "first Fire Emblem", when they're talking about the first one to get released in the US, which was the second on GBA and I believe the 7th in the series as a whole, and this is just but one of many examples I could come up with.

Now, if someone is refering to the Super Famicom versions or the PlayStation ports, then, yes, they should call them FF4 or FF6. I'm a firm believer that people should just call it by the label and use a little clarification if necessary. THAT is the best way to avoid confusion. I know that when I refer to Japanese games, I don't translate the title or go by the American title because then how would anyone know that I am specifically refering to the Japanese version? Likewise, you got to call the American Final Fantasy releases by their given titles if you want people to know you're specifically talking about the SNES releases.

[Jorpho]

I'm certain we already had a thread about this. That one also degenerated into hostilties after people started accusing each other of being hypocrites. x_x

Square called the seventh game FF7, and it seems perfectly reasonable to refer to the two SNES games as FF4 and FF6 as a means of comparison.

[nik]

name them after the main characters?

Final Fantasy IV: Cecil and Kain?

or dick and dork, whatever you named them.

[Cambot]

I call them by their western names. I mean - thats what it says on the box, right?

[Aussie2B]

I'm certain we already had a thread about this. That one also degenerated into hostilties after people started accusing each other of being hypocrites. x_x

I'm not trying to look down on anybody here, if that's what you're thinking. I was more talking about the GameFAQs sort of crowd that demands you call the games by what they want or face their moronic ridicule about how they're more "1337" and knowledgable about Final Fantasy or games in general.

[Fuyukaze]

My response wasnt intended to poke fun at everyone, just those few "hard core" FF fans who must have every title be refered to their way and only their way. The get so bent outa shape when someone calls it by its non japanese numbering or they go crazy if it is used. They forget, it doesnt matter. One way or another, it's the same game be it Japanese, North American, or European. I see both sides arguments, but I cant see it as being so important as to start arguments that result in name calling. Now, if this was about which FF game was the best, then that'd be a different story because atleast it would be more about the games and the players opinion, instead of the roman numeral at the end of the games title. I'm not great on history or anything, but I dont recall reading anything about even the Romans fighting over their numerical system. Why should we?

[NE146]

I just call them FFII(U.S.) and FFIII(U.S.). Simple enough for me I guess.

Personally I think it's funny that a so many of the "die hards" for the actual numbering convention I talk to didn't even buy & finish FFII(U.S.) when it came out! ...although I know some who'd never admit it. LOL

To be fair.. a lot of them were kids at the time who passed on NES ff1 and only really got into it at FF VII. (How friggin horrible to be introduced to FF with that polygon piece of crap) x_x

Still though, for being such hard asses at the naming you'd think they were there from the start! :P

[nik]

To be fair.. a lot of them were kids at the time who passed on NES ff1 and only really got into it at FF VII. (How friggin horrible to be introduced to FF with that polygon piece of crap) x_x

See, back then it looked amazing, same as FF1 did, but looks caveman now.

50 years from now, XboX 360 will look like shit, its just how it goes. I look back on games like that as great stepping stones for art, they blew me away back then.

[NE146]

To be fair.. a lot of them were kids at the time who passed on NES ff1 and only really got into it at FF VII. (How friggin horrible to be introduced to FF with that polygon piece of crap) x_x

See, back then it looked amazing, same as FF1 did, but looks caveman now.

Nah man I bought it at release and that was my primary complaint about it back then! :P

You see.. I was a fan of the Final Fantasies up to that point. When it made the leap to the polygons, I thought the environments were hard to see.. it zoomed out too far and there just wasn't as much detail as I was used to with the standard overhead style we had seen up to that point with the beautiful game graphics & art on the SNES, etc.

So yeah.. when it moved to the PSX and the polygons... that was when I didnt like FF anymore LOL

[Eldergod]

I just call them by their American names followed by the japenese as follows...

FF II/IV
FF III/VI

[tylerwillis]

What should I call the SNES Final Fantasies?

Whatever you want. Where's the problem? ;)