Blu-Ray players can self-destruct if stolen media is found.

[Xizer]

Sony is currently evaluating DRM technology that will require all Blu-Ray players to be connected to the Internet, and if stolen/pirated media is detected, Sony will have the ability to send a "self-destruct" code which will make the player inoperable.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/08/10/blu/index.html

Does this alarm anyone else? It's not about piracy...it's about control.

[Niku-Sama]

i wont buy one, you know some company is gonna screw up and put out a disc that'll kill all of them.

on top of how is that going to help the end users in things like home videos and other such reccordings

[keiblerfan69]

Sony will fail. They have completely shot themselves in the foot.

[Richter Belmount]

wow this is gonna piss alot of people off for spending $600 dollars.

[smork]

Um, that link is almost a year old, and this is the first we're hearing about it? Doesn't anybody get a little skeptical now and then? Besides, who'd buy a peripheral that would have to connect to the internet to work? Nobody. Which means Sony ain't going to make such a device.

Sony may be dumb, but they are not stupid.

[§ Gideon §]

This would be fucking awesome to hack. I hope it happens, but there's really no chance in hell. Rest easy, people.

[pacmanhat]

There's no way Sony would actually do this...but they've done things I've said that about before. LOL

[Leo_A]

This isn't the first you guys have heard about it, you guys whined about it a year ago. :)

And Sony is just evaluating the technology, no one said the PS3 would do it.

[alec006]

Sony does it theyl lose some big bucks.... x_x

[Lord_Magus]

Heh, right. As if the PS3's aren't going to be getting enough DREs as it is :P

But seriously, no way in hell that's going to happen. Imagine wanting to play a game when your internet connection is down: "The service you requested is currently unavailable. Please try again later" :/

[sabre2922]

Playstation 3
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/2086883900446ac2ad04ce7.jpg

[Niku-Sama]

heh good one.

although if my ps3 usplodes and takes out any other games i am gonna be super pissed

[tholly]

sony would never use this technology....if they did, they would sell about 6 total players.....

[dojosky]

well i dont know if that is true but remember few years ago they warned us about PC if we were to bought Pentinum 4 they would trace down people who were downloading and copying warez gamez appz etc they would be traced but i think its just a word to scare us all but wait and see more more nowadays our privacy issues are almost going away ! :( theres a lot of webcams around and the photo enforced ticket systems for light and i saw a photo enforced sign on interstate 5 in cali once wasnt sure what it was for but i suppose its for speeding :( why does the cop think its ok to sit on their lard asses and eat donuts and reading newspaper and let the photos take care of their business and they probably think donuts as their TOYS lmfao !

[Oobgarm]

I think I heard Nintendo was doing this too. :roll:

[Sylentwulf]

Seems like a decent idea to me. Obviously they're not going to nuke your system if you play ONE burnt disc or something, but if 20 codes a day are flying in from the same player for a month straight, why SHOULDN'T they nuke the thing?

[chrisbid]

Seems like a decent idea to me. Obviously they're not going to nuke your system if you play ONE burnt disc or something, but if 20 codes a day are flying in from the same player for a month straight, why SHOULDN'T they nuke the thing?

because its none of their gawd dam buisness what you do with YOUR PROPERTY. the playstation 1 was one of the most pirated consoles of all time, and yet it was far and away number 1... in fact the ease to pirate is one of the factors that put it in that spot. if piracy was really that big of a deal, they would make proprietary media

[Half Japanese]

Seems like a decent idea to me. Obviously they're not going to nuke your system if you play ONE burnt disc or something, but if 20 codes a day are flying in from the same player for a month straight, why SHOULDN'T they nuke the thing?

because its none of their gawd dam buisness what you do with YOUR PROPERTY. the playstation 1 was one of the most pirated consoles of all time, and yet it was far and away number 1... in fact the ease to pirate is one of the factors that put it in that spot. if piracy was really that big of a deal, they would make proprietary media

DING!

However, I seriously doubt Sony would be so stupid as to do this, especially after their whole "rootkit" debacle in the music market that left many with a bad taste in their mouth.

[Griking]

Seems like a decent idea to me. Obviously they're not going to nuke your system if you play ONE burnt disc or something, but if 20 codes a day are flying in from the same player for a month straight, why SHOULDN'T they nuke the thing?

because its none of their gawd dam buisness what you do with YOUR PROPERTY. the playstation 1 was one of the most pirated consoles of all time, and yet it was far and away number 1... in fact the ease to pirate is one of the factors that put it in that spot. if piracy was really that big of a deal, they would make proprietary media

Yeah, piracy rules. I it did wonders for the Dreamcast. :roll:

[Half Japanese]

Seems like a decent idea to me. Obviously they're not going to nuke your system if you play ONE burnt disc or something, but if 20 codes a day are flying in from the same player for a month straight, why SHOULDN'T they nuke the thing?

because its none of their gawd dam buisness what you do with YOUR PROPERTY. the playstation 1 was one of the most pirated consoles of all time, and yet it was far and away number 1... in fact the ease to pirate is one of the factors that put it in that spot. if piracy was really that big of a deal, they would make proprietary media

Yeah, piracy rules. I it did wonders for the Dreamcast. :roll:

Oh bullshit. Sure it would curb pirates, but it would also infringe on people playing burned DVDs (which aren't always bootlegs, I assure you). What you're defending is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. As for the DC arguement, the PS1 was pirated much more than that and it was way more successful. The DC just had the unfortunate timing to come out at an odd time, that and Sega pulled the plug too early. The major point is that you should be able to do what you want with what you buy. If I want to build a flux capacitator from old CD-I parts, that should be my business.

[rbudrick]

So basically, if you copy a DVD, Sony will send you a virus that makes your DVD player inoperable? Didn't Sony already get in trouble for putting viruses on people's PCs via music discs?

They would be WIDE open for lawsuit if they did this. And there ain't no fucking way I'd ever hook my DVD player to the internet.

I know, I know...they maye not actually USE the technology, but they are thinking about it, and developing it, so fuck em.

-Rob

[tholly]

So basically, if you copy a DVD, Sony will send you a virus that makes your DVD player inoperable? Didn't Sony already get in trouble for putting viruses on people's PCs via music discs?

They would be WIDE open for lawsuit if they did this. And there ain't no fucking way I'd ever hook my DVD player to the internet.

I know, I know...they maye not actually USE the technology, but they are thinking about it, and developing it, so fuck em.

-Rob


plus, not all dvd copies are illegal....you can copy something you own.....for example...making a copy of a dvd you purchased so you can use the copy and keep the original minty and safe in the case......not illegal, but it would kill your $800 blue-ray player if you did it....doesnt seem legal on sony's part if you ask me....

[rbudrick]

plus, not all dvd copies are illegal....you can copy something you own.....for example...making a copy of a dvd you purchased so you can use the copy and keep the original minty and safe in the case......not illegal, but it would kill your $800 blue-ray player if you did it....doesnt seem legal on sony's part if you ask me....

Right, and I was actually going to say basically that, good point. Well, of course it's good if I thought of it too. LOL 8-)

I just don't see any way this could be even close to legal under any circumstances for Sony. Maybe as military technology to screw you enemies, but that's about it.

Shit, I'll just carry a bootleg disc with me whenever I go to someone's house I don't like.

"Hey, pop this in, dude!"

I can just see all the grandmas who are confused enough with technology pop in a movie someone gave them a then, kablooey!

Not only would they control what disks you are entitled to put in your machine, but if hooked to the internet, it's not a big stretch to think they would monitor WHAT you watch. Scary.

-Rob

[gepeto]

I use to think that type of strong arming wouldn't work but then Valve had Halflife 2 lockdown with steam. I still think it is wrong and it sucks. To me it is like gyms that offer a lifetime contract. What happens if they go out of business. I think alot of companies watched valve and the steam project and will use that as a blueprint.

[poe]

This isn't the first you guys have heard about it, you guys whined about it a year ago. :)

And Sony is just evaluating the technology, no one said the PS3 would do it.

I remember hearing this as well, but it's really hard to find 9 month old sources.

Such DRM requires an internet connection, which Sony reps were quoted at the time as saying would never be required. Playing backups exclusively? Disable your network connection. 2 minute solution to negate such protection even if it's implemented.

Lastly, why aren't the people who take the position of "OMG! It violates our rights!" rallying against companies like DirecTV? Satellite receivers have the ability to ruin an access card (the chip that authorizes programming). DirecTV (can't speak for other providers, as I've never worked for them before) actually sent signals that fried access cards which the company deemed "unauthorized." The problem? Every time I heard of this step being taken (3 times I can recall over 15 months employment), the following month we would send thousands of replacement access cards to customers with an extensive history of paying for a full subscription (also, when I quit that job, they were asking a year's commitment to programming for a replacement card, regardless of circumstances).

So, rather than uniting against a company who is unlikely to employ something so drastic, high maintenance, and easily circumvented, and whose worst transgression is an ineptly made rootkit that an uninstaller was made available for within weeks of release, you should be pissed at someone the company who was selling you a $500 HD TiVo receiver, $250 lifetime subscription package, then subjecting you to several weeks of downtime whenever they decided to 'take a stand' against piracy. I prefer associating bad consumer treatment with the companies who deliberately mistreat customers for a perceived greater good, than their "Three Stooges"-esque counterparts, who put out something revealed to have problems, seeking the same end result, then fixing it (and pulling affected CDs from the shelves, remember that?) when everyone calls them out.

Anyway, November's a long way off, as is an economical Blu-Ray backup option, so it'll probably be a while before any real world examples of Blu-Ray DRM can be used to influence my purchase (and a bit longer before any titles come out for any next-gen platform to justify the purchase).


As an aside, I always think of DIVX whenever I hear a conversation about bad DRM or Sony/Microsoft seemingly overreaching in copy protection. Anyone else remember that? Man, fuck DIVX. Glad the masses hated it, too.

[Predatorxs]

I can't see there being alot if any truth to this rumour, there are so many legal issue's, and like tholly mentioned, you can make copies of your movies once you've bought them, and would the player tell the difference between illegal dvd's and say ones you've made at home, home movies burnt over to dvd.

Plus Sony (in general) are assholes, i wouldn't put it past them to have thought about it, and when your dvd commits suicide, you call up a toll number and for JUST $150 it will come back to life LOL

The quicker sony wraps up the better, but in saying that, the less competition other companies have, the more sloppy they get.

So i guess we still need sony well maybe just for the sony TV's atleast Grrrrrrr!

Mood : On the tinge of madness?

[Predatorxs]

I can't see there being alot if any truth to this rumour, there are so many legal issue's, and like tholly mentioned, you can make copies of your movies once you've bought them, and would the player tell the difference between illegal dvd's and say ones you've made at home, home movies burnt over to dvd.

Plus Sony (in general) are assholes, i wouldn't put it past them to have thought about it, and when your dvd commits suicide, you call up a toll number and for JUST $150 it will come back to life LOL

The quicker sony wraps up the better, but in saying that, the less competition other companies have, the more sloppy they get.

So i guess we still need sony well maybe just for the sony TV's atleast Grrrrrrr!

Mood : On the tinge of madness?

[sabre2922]

I can't see there being alot if any truth to this rumour, there are so many legal issue's, and like tholly mentioned, you can make copies of your movies once you've bought them, and would the player tell the difference between illegal dvd's and say ones you've made at home, home movies burnt over to dvd.

Plus Sony (in general) are assholes, i wouldn't put it past them to have thought about it, and when your dvd commits suicide, you call up a toll number and for JUST $150 it will come back to life LOL

The quicker sony wraps up the better, but in saying that, the less competition other companies have, the more sloppy they get.

So i guess we still need sony well maybe just for the sony TV's atleast Grrrrrrr!

Mood : On the tinge of madness?

Once again:

*Remember boys and girls that anything that is NOT made/produced or endorsed by NINTENDO or at leat a 20 year old cartridge-prefferably BY NINTENDO- is NOT collectible and should not be collected or enjoyed in any form by anyone unless WE say so.

Also: Please refrain from posting any topics on this forum UNLESS it is NINTENDO related (unless it is to bash Sony or thier systems etc) otherwise we can not be held responsible by the actions of the Nintendo ELITE that remain the defacto power of this board. :D

[sabre2922]

I can't see there being alot if any truth to this rumour, there are so many legal issue's, and like tholly mentioned, you can make copies of your movies once you've bought them, and would the player tell the difference between illegal dvd's and say ones you've made at home, home movies burnt over to dvd.

Plus Sony (in general) are assholes, i wouldn't put it past them to have thought about it, and when your dvd commits suicide, you call up a toll number and for JUST $150 it will come back to life LOL

The quicker sony wraps up the better, but in saying that, the less competition other companies have, the more sloppy they get.

So i guess we still need sony well maybe just for the sony TV's atleast Grrrrrrr!

Mood : On the tinge of madness?

Once again:

*Remember boys and girls that anything that is NOT made/produced or endorsed by NINTENDO or at leat a 20 year old cartridge-prefferably BY NINTENDO- is NOT collectible and should not be collected or enjoyed in any form by anyone unless WE say so.

Also: Please refrain from posting any topics on this forum UNLESS it is NINTENDO related (unless it is to bash Sony or thier systems etc) otherwise we can not be held responsible by the actions of the Nintendo ELITE that remain the defacto power of this board. :D

[Nature Boy]

Once again...

Dude, you're so not funny.

An excellent point was made about the satellite reciever thing and the cards that go with it. Anyone who pirates a satellite signal knows all about the fight to keep your card from getting fried.

I can't see them doing it on consoles though. Especially the whole requiring you to connect to the internet part of it. At least with a satellite you're receiving a signal, so they can do what they have to. As much as online gaming seems to be everywhere there still must be a sizeable chunk of console owners (well more than half I'd wager) who don't connect now nor will they connect next gen. So how do you fry them?

The logistics just don't seem to work, but I'm sure all of the publishers will be taking a continued interest in the idea...

[Nature Boy]

Once again...

Dude, you're so not funny.

An excellent point was made about the satellite reciever thing and the cards that go with it. Anyone who pirates a satellite signal knows all about the fight to keep your card from getting fried.

I can't see them doing it on consoles though. Especially the whole requiring you to connect to the internet part of it. At least with a satellite you're receiving a signal, so they can do what they have to. As much as online gaming seems to be everywhere there still must be a sizeable chunk of console owners (well more than half I'd wager) who don't connect now nor will they connect next gen. So how do you fry them?

The logistics just don't seem to work, but I'm sure all of the publishers will be taking a continued interest in the idea...

[PentiumMMX]

Playstation 3
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/2086883900446ac2ad04ce7.jpg

LOL

Yeah, that technoligy sounds like it wiill give PS3 even more problems, so instead of paying $600 for a PS3 (If all your goiong to play is PSX or PS2 games that might not even load (Remember 1st edition PS2s?)), <SALESMAN> you can fix up a PSX for just $20, or a PS2 for just $50! </SALESMAN>.

[lordnikon]

Guys, this stuff has already happened with ALL of the current generation consoles:

Sega released Dreamcast consoles near the end of it's lifespan that were not MIL-CD compatible.

Sony has the ability right now to ban your PS2 from playing online games via official servers. Their DNAS authentication system is setup to detect if you are trying to sign online with illegal backups of online games.

Nintendo intentionally limited the capacity of their discs in order create something that was difficult for the average consumer to pirate.

Microsoft setup specific games to "phone home" to MS, to download a patch which would update the firmware of the system preventing you from running linux. All you had to do was have your Xbox connected to the internet, power up a game and it would automatically phone home and update the firmware without you even knowing.

This new DRM system in place for the PS3, IF it is true, is essentially DNAS but for ALL Playstation 3 games instead of just online ones. So far DNAS has worked fine for the Playstation 2, and you don't see people freaking out all over the place because they were wrongly banned from playing online.

So many people are looking for any outlet to dismiss the Playstation 3, for 1 major reason. That reason is "reaffirming a purchase decision". People would rather have the situation be black and white right now, rather than gray. Users who own a 360 are going to put the PS3 down in order to feel more confident with their 360. Also, users looking to pick up a Wii are going to knock the Playstation 3 so they don't have to decide for months whether to set aside $250 or $600. People would rather get this out of the way right now.

I think you all need to just sit back and see what happens, rather than pre-maturely selling a console short. The Playstation 3 is not even on store shelves yet, and is months away from launching. Chill out, sit back, and play some games on your current systems.

Being a late adopter never hurt anyone.