Best. RPG. Ever.

[digitalpress]

I've played quite a few but very few of them have really drawn me in. I was a fan of the pre-PSX Final Fantasy series and also really enjoyed the turn-based strategy RPG's like Vandal Hearts, Ogre Battle, and even Front Mission (if you call that an RPG).

But there are far more experienced RPG players here.

Whether you're one of them or not, what would you say is the BEST RPG you've ever played, and why? What makes an RPG a classic for you, is it storyline? Depth? Number of characters? Convince me that your favorite IS the best!

[digdug]

Everquest on the P.C. is the Pinacle of RPG. You can basically everythng in the game. Over 600,000 people playing Updated quests, raids on planes, numerous classes and character makes, with new ones being made by the company. I think no console R.P.G. even comes close to this game. Console R.P.G's are TOO linear in nature take this item here to get this item. With Everquest you can do anything you want.

I know am going to be disputed on this, but until FFXI comes out I don't think there is a console game that can come close.

Dig Dug

[brandver3]

Does Mega Man Battle Network count? You have level ups, you get items, you have hp, and there are random battles.

My vote goes to Pokemon. I love FF, and I l ove Breath of Fire, but none of them have come close to the amount of time i spent on Pokemon Red and Blue.

Every hour I spent on FF7-10 doesn't even come close to the 250 hours i clocked between the two games.

And now my red verions battaries are about to die.....*sniff*
I better by a PM Crystal fast and transfer my Mewtwo, he rocks.

[gwaine]

My favorite console RPG is Lunar the Silver Star for Sega CD. The story and characters for that game are just awesome. My favorite computer RPG is either Ultima 2 or Ultima 5. Man I loved playing those games when I was younger.

[molnars]

My favorite happens to be Suikoden. I remember playing this for the first time and it just blew me away with everything you could do. The first time when you get your castle I was in awe, at the time no other RPG rewarded you with a castle to call your own. To this day it still sticks with me about how good this RPG is. Even though it's short I recommend this title to anyone who hasn't played it yet.

[Raedon]

I don't consider Everquest to be a true RPG as it can never be finished, no ending. It's more of an experience.

Final Fantasy III was the greatest console RPG ever produced.

Bard's Tale and Pool of Radiance were the greatest early computer RPG's ever produced and Baldar's Gate for more recent PC RPG's.

[Sylentwulf]

I was going to start a thread about this today actually, Suikoden III Is currently BLOWING ME AWAY.

This is how RPG's SHOULD have evolved. The more and more I think about FFX, the lower and lower it goes on my list. I got Xenosaga yesterday and can't wait to play it, but I have to finish Suikoden III first :)

There are also a lot of games I don't consider RPG's (including FF Tactics, and ogre battle, but I'll include them because the strategy category is just too small to have their own category) Zelda isn't an RPG andy more than adventure or Zork, so I'm not including them either :)


If I HAD to pick a number one, Final Fantasy 7 would be high on the list, but...

I CAN'T pick a number one RPG though... I can offer a best of the best though!

Best of the Best:
Dragon Warrior 4
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 7
Xenogears
Chrono Trigger
Suikoden 3 (Never played Suikoden 2 much to my chagrin)

Nest Tier down of RPG's: (VERY good, but not comparable to the top ones)
Chrono Cross
Legend of Legaia (haven't played 2, yet)
Lunar Story 1&2
Final Fantasy 8
Dragon Warrior 1,2,3,7 (7 BARELY makes this list cuz it's too damn long and boring)
Suikoden
Wild Arms (Hated wild arms 2, haven't played 3 YET)
Final Fantasy 9
Granstream Saga
Beyond the beyond ( I LIKED this one)

Off-topic, games I didn't like and thought were VERY overrated
Final Fantasy tactics
Final Fantasy X (this thing is dropping on my list like a 2-bit whore)
Star Ocean Series (shrug, sorry)
Wild Arms 2 - Just didn't grab me
Alundra
Saga Frontier (shudder)
Threads of Fate

[CrazyImpmon]

Suikoden for me as well. Next up is Zelda games but it's still debateable if Zelda is RPG games or not..

[WiseSalesman]

My god, someone actually LIKED Granstream Saga?

My favorites are Final Fantasy IV and Vagrant Story.

[Anonymous]

Lunar and Final Fantasy III. I'd add VII to the list just because the giant leap in technology/quality drew me in more than any other RPG like it, although there are better stories/characters out there.

[DDCecil]

Final Fantasy IV has and will always be my favorite RPG. The characters, story, and music were so memorable. Here are some of my other favorites:

FF1,3,5,6,8,9,10,10-2 *Tactics
Every Dragon Warrior/Quest. ALL of them.
Tales of Destiny
Lufia 2
*Secret of Mana
Breath of Fire
Final Fantasy Legend 2
*Final Fantasy Adventure
Star Ocean 2
Drakkhen - Probably the only person on earth who likes it, oh well.
Ultima 3 and 4

* - These may not be True RPGs, but I like 'em.

[Cheese]

Lunar 2 & 2
Final Fantasy 7 I loved, it pretty much brought me back to RPGs after a few years off of them.

Here's a question for y'all: I want to buy one new RPG this month, do I buy .hack, Xenosaga, or Suikoden III? (note I have never played a Suikoden title before, will I be lost?) All three have gotten pretty great reviews both here and elsewhere.

[digitalpress]

Just to alleviate any confusion among RPG newbies, here's the Final Fantasy Japan vs. US numbering system once again (since several have already alluded to their favorite "IV"):

Japan -> US
FFI -> FFI (NES)
FFII -> unreleased
FFIII -> unreleased
FFIV -> FFII (SNES)
FFV -> unreleased
FFVI -> FFIII (SNES)
FFVII -> FFVII (PSX)

Things get back to normal at VII. Also note that FFV appears on the PSX FF Anthology.

[asharru]

I loved Wasteland, Fallout, and Fallout II. Also, Icewind Dale I and II kick ass. I guess I got a thing for Black Isle Studio's... Also, as someone mentioned already, the Ultima series consumed quite a few hours of my life.

:D

[Raedon]

Lunar 2 & 2
Final Fantasy 7 I loved, it pretty much brought me back to RPGs after a few years off of them.

Here's a question for y'all: I want to buy one new RPG this month, do I buy .hack, Xenosaga, or Suikoden III? (note I have never played a Suikoden title before, will I be lost?) All three have gotten pretty great reviews both here and elsewhere.

I'm at the final boss of .HACK and found it a fun game but time played is 23 hours... you could rent it and finish it easy.

It's kinda between Xenosaga and Suikoden III.. basically if you like a playable movie go with xenosaga and if you want more of an rpg go with Suikoden III. As for Xenosaga I haven't had enough friends comment about it yet.. but almost everyone liked .HACK (up until it ended) and Suikoden III

[Kid Fenris]

For me, choosing a favorite RPG is as hard as choosing a favorite overall game, so I apologize if this post is a little long.

Final Fantasy III/VI: I'm still awestruck at the way Square brought a cinematic atmosphere and clever play concepts into this one. The story's surprisingly well-told (and, unlike other 16-bit RPGs, well-translated) for an age when game-driven plots were mostly still cheap entertainment. Subsequent Final Fantasies continued to amaze me as the series went next-generation, but FFIII remains the apex of 2-D console role playing.

Xenogears: With giant robots and psycho-theological overtones, it was an odd deviation from the usual RPG, but Xenogears is, in my opinion, the epitome of a solid, lengthy, and deeply involving game. Even though the second disc skimps on dungeons and flash, the overall quest is quite rewarding. It's great stuff, and it gets points for taking an semi-typical RPG story in directions it rarely goes.

Valkyrie Profile: I've already raved in a review (http://www.kidfenris.com/valkyriep.html) of this one, so I'll summarize. The story's an excellent array of vignettes about the nature of death, the dungeons are gorgeous, craftily designed 2-D stages in the style of Castlevania:SotN, and the battle system has far more action than any other RPG I could name. A tad unorthodox, but it's a superb game that stays with you.

Panzer Dragoon Saga: Who would have though that the Space Harrier-esque play mechanics of Panzer Dragoon could be the basis for such a fun RPG? From its unique atmosphere to the airborne exploration, this is as far from the beaten path as RPGs get, and it's all the richer for it.

Okay, let me wrap this up. I think that Final Fantasy II/IV and Lunar 2 are the best examples of old-fashioned RPG storytelling and play mechanics, and that Final Fantasy IX is, in turn, the best tribute to this classic era.

Some last-minute mentions: Chrono Trigger, Emerald Dragon, Earthbound, the first two Suikodens, and several other Final Fantasies. Except Mystic Quest. I hate Final Fantasy Mystic Quest.

On the PC, I like Planescape: Torment, Anachronox, Fallout, and even Septerra Core.

[Mayhem]

Ack... too hard LOL

Chrono Trigger (played, would love own copy), Wasteland, Bard's Tale 1, FF6 (3)... really enjoying Skies of Arcadia Legends on GC at the moment...

[Arrrhalomynn]

That's Baldur's Gate of course.
Was there any doubt about that? x_x

[lionforce]

I'd have to go with Shining Force Part 1 definitely, but that could change after I play Final Fantasy Origins in a few months considering I have never played FF II

[Aswald]

Zork, or Wizardry. In those days, you can just imagine what playing such a game was like!

[EnemyZero]

my fav traditional rpg's ever were FF7 oh man i almost cried when aeris died and they played that damn sad music ::tear tear:: , my fav strategy rpg is Shinning Force II.

[tom]

i really hate Japanese RPG's. For me, the American ones are the best:

Ultima series (Origin), Phantasy series (SSI), Gold box series (SSI), Wizardy series (SirTech), Bards Tale series (EA).

and of course, 'Adventure' on VCS is the best.

[YoshiM]

Tough one.

I agree with Raedon on Everquest. While it's all cool that you can go quest with real people, it really sucks when you play with real people. Your efforts really don't affect the world, everyone can get their hands on powerful relics, etc. Everquest and games like it are a genre all their own and shouldn't really count with threads like this, IMO.

For consoles I'd have to say the original Phantasy Star. I liked PS2-PS4, but there was something special with the original. A Star Wars-esqe setting, tending more toward the "fantasy", was unique in the D&D/Ultima/Bards Tale wannabe pool of games. The graphics for the time were stunning and the control was simple. The series took a more sci-fi approach later on which was okay but they didn't draw me in as much as PS. Lunar: Silver Star Story is a close 2nd. It gripped me to the very end, staying up from 9:00 PM until 7:30AM the next morning to beat it.

On PC: Hands down it's Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall. Morrowind was good but it still doesn't touch Daggerfall. You can do almost anything (I usually lived the life of a wandering thief that stole anything that wasn't nailed down and usually slept in other people's houses to heal) or you can just try to solve the main quest. The graphics are dated and it is a single character perspective, there's just nothing close to its game play.

My 2 coppers on this...

[Sylentwulf]

Here's a question for y'all: I want to buy one new RPG this month, do I buy .hack, Xenosaga, or Suikoden III? (note I have never played a Suikoden title before, will I be lost?) All three have gotten pretty great reviews both here and elsewhere.

Get Suikoden 3.
I have Xenosaga and haven't played it yet, but I've heard it's VERY VERY "movie sequence" intensive, which if that means it's anything like FFx, will severely depress me, and doesn't seem like an RPG to me at all. Suikoden III is a guaranteed hit if you like RPG's. Even if you haven't played the first 2.

[Kid Fenris]

Here's a question for y'all: I want to buy one new RPG this month, do I buy .hack, Xenosaga, or Suikoden III? (note I have never played a Suikoden title before, will I be lost?) All three have gotten pretty great reviews both here and elsewhere.

Xenosaga and Suikoden III seem the better choices, but both of them have potentially boring moments. Xenosaga is heavy on the cinemas and exposition, while you'll spend much of the first ten hours of Suikoden III running through bland dungeons and visiting the same areas with different characters.

Suikoden III, however, will probably be harder to find than Xenosaga in the months and years to come, so you might want to snatch it up now.

[le geek]

My favorite happens to be Suikoden. I remember playing this for the first time and it just blew me away with everything you could do.

I agree Suikoden is my all time favorite, followed by Final Fantasy II/IV

le geek's Suikoden review (http://abscape.org/legeek/r_suikoden.htm)
le geek's Final Fantasy II review (http://abscape.org/legeek/r_ff2.htm)

Both are my favorites for their great music and excellent stories. I like the Lunar games a lot as well, and I have yet to play Chrono Trigger or any of the Genesis RPGs like Landstalker...

Cheers,
le geek

[chrisballer]

It really suprises me not to see any diablo pc games mentioned. I have clocked some serious hours into those games. I however think if anyone played the playstation diablo and not diablo 2 or l.o.d that would explain how they do not like it. But seriously if you have not played diablo 2 and ofcourse the exp. l.o.d i would have to say you are missing out on a really great game.
And playing this game online is awsome. :rocker:

[maxlords]

Hmmmm.....This is damned tough! I've been playing RPGs for a LONG time and I don't have a single favorite. I hate to say it but my top 3 favorites are alll insanely popular, not obscure ones. In no particular order:

Suikoden II - I LOVED the characters and the awesome storyline, even if it got silly in parts!

Panzer Dragoon Saga - stunning, unique RPG that knocked my socks off when I bought it new. I got FFVII at the same time and I thought FFVII was a POS in comparison.

Final Fantasy III (US) - first RPG I ever owned and the ONLY one I've played thru more than once. That should say something :)


Other runners up that I've ALWAYS loved (I'd feel bad if I didn't list em!):
Phantasy Star II (Genesis) - Sadly, didn't age well

Granstream Saga (PSX) - LOVED this game...it was good with a good story and it was short and to the point..no mucking about wiht side quests...beat it in one day but I had FUN and that's what counts!

Landstalker (Genesis) - I'd say this more of an adventure game but I love it anyway.

Shining in the Darkness (Genesis) - Awesome Dungeon Crawler!

Suikoden (PSX) - Almost as good as Suiky 2!

Warsong (Genesis) - *DROOOL* Best. Strategy. Game. Ever.

Alundra (PSX) - Great, dark story...and CHALLENGING puzzles!

Persona I and II (PSX) Uniquely dark games...very fun but odd! ONly time I've ever TALKED Demons out of attacking me! :)

Grandia 2 (DC) - Cliche story a bit, but it was REALLY well done

Xenogears (PSX) - long but awesome!

Shining Force (Genesis) - Need I say more?

Breath of Fire (SNES) - I liked the first one better....I'm weird.

I'd better stop now or I'll list every RPG there is! :) Suffice it to say I've played a LOT of them, and the above games are the ones that REALLY stand out to me to this day.

[j1e]

Ahh, another thread that so desperately needs to be revived now almost 7 years later.

I've got 3 old school RPG's that are most definitely my faves. And no one has mentioned them?

Earthbound - SNES
Crystalis - NES
Phantasy Star IV - GEN

In fact, if I only had 3 games to play for the rest of my life, it would probably be these 3.

[Daria]

Best... RPG... Ever?

I... uh... uhh...

*head asplodes*

[AB Positive]

Good time to mention the fact that I've been grooving pretty well lately on Shining Force CD. Surprisingly good plot so far, although I'm just finishing Book 1.

SFCD doesn't get much mention but I find it's holding up quite well.

[eskobar]

I have played the majority of RPGs released for any console, PC or paper ... and it's very hard for me to choose one as my favorite because a favorite depends too much on the conditions you played that game.

My college years were the highest point in my gaming history, too much free time to play and freedom in my activities.

Taking that in account, i can choose FINAL FANTASY VII as the experience that i most enjoyed EVER.

Followed by Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Suikoden III and Final Fantasy XII.

The last one is an incredible game, genius work.

[Swamperon]

Very hard decision, but certainly some of the top ones are:

Chrono Trigger
Skies of Arcadia
Shining Force III (Scenario 1 on its own merits this, but all 3 plus the Premium Disc blow it out of the water)

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

god it's hard with the amount i've played so here goes

Nes: Crystalis
Honorable mention: Dragon warrior 3 and 4

Genesis: Beyond Oasis

Snes: Earthbound and FF 2,3
Honorable Mention: Breath of fire 1,2 Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana and Soul Blazer

Ps1: Suikoden 1,2
HM: Dragon Warrior 7, Alundra, BOF 3,4, Wild Arms 1,2, FF 8,9, Grandia

Ps2: Kingdom Hearts 1,2, Disgaea, Odin Sphere, Persona 3,4
HM: Atelier Iris, Ar Tonelico

Psp: Jeanne D'arc

DS: World ends with you, Avalon Code, Dragon Quest 5

[vivaeljason]

In my world, it's Chrono Trigger and everything else. I hold other games in high regard (Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy VII, Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2), but I was (and still am) hooked on Chrono Trigger.

[kupomogli]

No one has listed Tactics Ogre?

Anyways. The best by far is Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together. SNES in Japan only but rereleased for the PSX and Saturn. Ported over to the US on the PSX only. Others, in order of my favorites are..

Arc the Lad 2
Brigandine
Brigandine Grand Edition
Wild ARMs 3
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy Tactics
Xenogears
Tales of Eternia
Breath of Fire 3

This list would continue for awhile if I kept going on.

[A Black Falcon]

Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever, of course. Nothing else comes even close. The Baldur's Gate games try, but they don't match Torment.

[Zoltor]

I've played quite a few but very few of them have really drawn me in. I was a fan of the pre-PSX Final Fantasy series and also really enjoyed the turn-based strategy RPG's like Vandal Hearts, Ogre Battle, and even Front Mission (if you call that an RPG).

But there are far more experienced RPG players here.

Whether you're one of them or not, what would you say is the BEST RPG you've ever played, and why? What makes an RPG a classic for you, is it storyline? Depth? Number of characters? Convince me that your favorite IS the best!

Well if you were asking for the best Action RPGs, it would be a very easy answer, "Crystalis", so easy it really Isn't debateable. People who haven't played that game though, would say Secret of Mana is the best action/RPG, which indeed is easily the 2nd best Action/RPG.

However when talking about the Best RPG, that is very debateable, there were a ton of legendary RPGs roughly as good as a bunch of others, with little differance in quality, so it basically comes down to taste.

FF 1-7 are all great, basically getting better in order(no joke, I don't know how they pulled that off, but that is basically how it is), however I would put FF 5 almost tied with 7, which I personally like FF 5 a bit better due to the story(while FF 7 is very overrated, it is indeed one of the best RPGs ever made hands down), although the Materia system in FF7 is hands down the single best system out of every RPG ever made, and was flawlessly implimented.

Now if FF games were the only good RPGs, it wouldn't be that hard to choose the best, but then you have the Dragon Warrior games 1-7. DW1 didn't age good at all, but at the time it came out, it was the greatest thing ever made. Out of the Dragon Warrior games 2-7 are still considered to be acceptional RPGs, with DW3(NES version only), 4, 6(no official release in NA, but there is a translation out there), and 7 being the best of them(but DW2 is a very special game, which no other game could ever compare to, however it is a nich game, so I didn't list it as one of the best DW games, since most people surely hate it).

Then there is Crono Trigger(great concept, amazing story with proper temperal theory useage, which also happens to be very detailed in the implimentation), Breath of Fire 2, Might & Magic 3 , Legeng of Dragoon(although it is sadly a bit short), and Lufia 2 which are also considered the best RPGs(note: Lufia 2 hands down has the best bonus type dungeon ever made in any game to date, not debateable, It's that much better then any other bonus dungeon in every other game).

Needless to say It's rather impossible now to pick a single RPG as the best RPG ever, top 5 yea that's probally doable(still hard, but doable), but to pick a single game, It's just not realistic, and lol I wasn't even counting imports for the most part.

As far as consol games go anyway, with portables It's a bit easier, FF Legend 2 is considered the best RPG on a portable, but only as far as pure RPGs go, the best RPG/Monster taming game ever made, not even just for portables, is Dragon Warrior Monsters 2(It's perfect, I know Perfect is a politically incorrect word, but when something is perfect, truly perfect, there is no other way to describe it, it really is the perfect RPG/Monster taming game).

As for dungeon Crawler RPGs, while there are a bunch of great games, only one is generally considered to be the best, Wizardry 5 for the SNES, ofcourse this is only counting the NA releases(since basically none of the JP only dungeon crawlers even have a fan translation).

As far as Strategy/RPG goes, basically It's a 3 way tie, which the best one is entirely up to taste. Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis, FF Tactics(the original), and Disgaea 2(note: this is the only true new school game to ever be even good enough to compete with the old school games of the same genre, let alone be an actual canidate for the best one of the genre, that tells you what an amazing job Nippon did developing that game. Nippon's other games are all awesome as well, but Disgaea 2 is easily their best game). There are tons of other great tactic/RPGs, but most deffinitely not on the same lv as those 3.

PS. Wow sorry for the massive post, but the answer to your question is far from an easy clean cut type of answer.

[SplashChick]

Zoltor is right, RPG games are far too diverse to come up with a good answer. I don't think you can even compare strategy RPGs to traditional ones, they're far too different. MMORPGs are another entirely different kind of experience.

But if we're talking about traditional RPGs, I think it definitely has to go to Mother 3, the RPG that...no one else around here seems to have played. >_>


Well if you were asking for the best Action RPGs, it would be a very easy answer, "Crystalis", so easy it really Isn't debateable. People who haven't played that game though, would say Secret of Mana is the best action/RPG, which indeed is easily the 2nd best Action/RPG.

I think you're giving your opinions a little too much weight there, buddy.

[Aussie2B]

If I was trying to be a bit objective, I'd go with Chrono Trigger, as I'd say it's the closest to perfect RPG ever made. I can be a pretty critical gamer and can usually come up with a couple complaints even for my top favorite games, but there isn't a single tiny, minuscule thing I'd change about Chrono Trigger. Even outside the realm of RPGs, I think Chrono Trigger is one of the closest to perfect games ever created.

Now if you want to talk personal favorites, on any given day I could go with Star Ocean: The Second Story, Star Ocean: Blue Sphere, or Valkyrie Profile as my most loved, each for its own reason. Blue Sphere for its immense depth, truly a dream come true to any RPG player that puts gameplay first. The Second Story for its charm and addictive gameplay that can literally last just about as long as you want it to (80+ different endings to see, over 1000 voice clips to collect, proficiency to build to 999 on dozens of different moves and spells, etc.; I dare you to run out of things to accomplish in the game). And Valkyrie Profile I believe is a better argument for games being art than even the usual mentions like, say, Ico and Okami. Thoroughly beautiful in storytelling, music, portraits, even the innovative combo-driven battle system is like performing a graceful dance. tri-Ace struck a moment of magic with Valkyrie Profile, which I don't think they'll ever quite replicate.

[JustRob]

You people know that RPGs come from places other than Japan as well right?

(Had to edit this, I missed a few posts on the first page. )

Anyway, The Fallout series, 99% of the D&D titles including the amazing Gold Box games. Anything Bioware, Bethesda, Black Isle, Interplay...well, really that whole family and legacy of developers have given us. These are all epic in scale and storytelling. Did I mention...most of the plot lines make sense? Yeah, that's a big plus.

[j1e]

Well, I can also mention some games that I own but have yet to play. Right now, for the time being, I'm concentrating on getting through Grandia II for DC and it's pretty damn good so far.

Lunar: SSSC for PS1
Grandia for PS1 - Yes, I started on II first. I don't know why.
Wild Arms - PS1
Skies of Arcadia Legends - GCN
Tales of Symphonia - GCN

[scooterb23]

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Zork, Nord and Bert Couldn't Make Head or Tail of it for the C64

Road Trip on the PS2, tbhe CarPG ...but mainly for the Car Golf mini game.

That's about it...almost everything else bores me before you finish learning you are the only hope to save the kingdom...

[vivaeljason]

You people know that RPGs come from places other than Japan as well right?

No mention of the Fallout series, very little of any of the D&D games, let alone the fucking fantastic Gold Box series. Anything Bethesda or Bioware has ever given us.

Dammit...I forgot my favorite game on the original XBox. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic was/is nothing short of phenomenal.

[Kid Fenris]

No one has listed Tactics Ogre?


Tactics Ogre is a strategy-RPG. And there's no point in discussing the best strategy-RPG because we all know that it's Disgaea!

[Zoltor]

You people know that RPGs come from places other than Japan as well right?

(Had to edit this, I missed a few posts on the first page. )

Anyway, The Fallout series, 99% of the D&D titles including the amazing Gold Box games. Anything Bioware, Bethesda, Black Isle, Interplay...well, really that whole family and legacy of developers have given us. These are all epic in scale and storytelling. Did I mention...most of the plot lines make sense? Yeah, that's a big plus.

I mentioned D&D style games as well(Might & Magic 3, Wizardry 5, and while I disagree with the sentiment, especially when even NWN were leaps, and bounds better then the Baldur's Gate games, someone even mentioned Balders gate as well). While we're at it, the Myst games were decent as well, but the sad fact is, when you're talking about the best of the bost, "most" of the US games while still very good, are nowhere near what anyone would call the best.

I personally liked Dragon Wars for the Commadore 64, the Kings Quest games for the PCs(apple 2gs, but was probally ported to other PCs, and such), Willow for the NES, and Hillsfar for the NES, not to mention the other wizardry games, but are they what I would consider the best of the best, hell no. They are among the greats(well some of them anyway), but great or not, there are tons of better games.

PS. Due note I did state the obvious on what is the best Dungeon Crawler/RPG, Wizardy 5. Sadly while being a US Company Developed game, based off of the D&D system, the damn company doesn't release the Wizardry games in NA anymore.

I also loved Swords, and serpents, Tombs & Tresure, exc, exc, exc, but as I already pointed out, there is a big differance between a great game, and a canidate for the best game, very big differance indeed, that's why alot of the games you think should be listed by peaople, aren't.

[A Black Falcon]

Dammit...I forgot my favorite game on the original XBox. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic was/is nothing short of phenomenal.

Yeah, maybe for people who've never played the Baldur's Gate games or Planescape Torment. I had, though, so I found KotOR disappointing in comparison.

[Arkhan]

this question is too broad. Newer consoles outpower the old ones so its got unfair advantages lol.

so...

As far as early computer RPGs go, I believe Ultima V takes the cake. It has an elaborate story, alot of adventuring to be had, tons of characters, still has first person dungeons...its just a great game! Lots of innovation.

mid 90s computer games would have to go to World of Xeen. I don't think any CRPG before or since has set up an atmosphere like the Xeen games.

8 Bit consoles: I'd either have to say dragon quest 3, or chronicles of the radia war. Theyre both amazingly indepth games.

16 bit consoles: Secret of Mana or Lufia 1.

I dont know i think im done trying to pick. This is too hard. :-D

Its like trying to pick which boobs are the best boobs ever.

[Zoltor]

this question is too broad. Newer consoles outpower the old ones so its got unfair advantages lol.

so...

As far as early computer RPGs go, I believe Ultima V takes the cake. It has an elaborate story, alot of adventuring to be had, tons of characters, still has first person dungeons...its just a great game! Lots of innovation.

mid 90s computer games would have to go to World of Xeen. I don't think any CRPG before or since has set up an atmosphere like the Xeen games.

8 Bit consoles: I'd either have to say dragon quest 3, or chronicles of the radia war. Theyre both amazingly indepth games.

16 bit consoles: Secret of Mana or Lufia 1.

I dont know i think im done trying to pick. This is too hard. :-D

Its like trying to pick which boobs are the best boobs ever.

You fail right there. Power of a system has nothing to do with how good a RPG is or can be infact(power Isn't even a factor lol, We aren't talking about FPS, Sports or Fighter games here).

Space on a disc/cart has a facter in "potential" though, which in theory would give newer games an edge, however since the PS1 era, I have yet to see a company not waste the space(other then Nippon's PS2 games anyway, which they clearly utilize all the space, on actual important additions, you know like content, and systems).

PS. I take it you never played Lufia 2? If you had, you wouldn't think Lufia 1 was all that good, and besides there are tons of games far better then Lufia 1 on the SNES alone(Chrono Trigger, FF3, Breath of Fire 2, the before mentioned Lufia 2, and exc).

[LaughingMAN.S9]

no ones mentioned quest for glory V yet? :(



as far as pc rpg's, that would have to be hands down my favorite even tho it was atypical of a western rpg in the sense that it allowed both a modicum of freedom but was still very much story driven and wasnt online like everquest or a hack n slash level grinding loot fest like diablo



final fantasy 7 is probably still to this day, my hands down, absolute favorite rpg of all time if for nothing else than the breathtaking story, the epic scope of the game has yet to be, in my eyes, matched in even modern day consoles.

runners up
chrono trigger
shadowrun (snes)
legend of legaia
final fantasy 8
tales of Destiny II
Star Ocean 2
xenosaga
persona 2
persona 3


honorable mentions to vagrant story



as far as strategy rpgs go, im going to have to go with.....

FINAL FANTASY TACTICS!

runner up
Front Mission 3

[Berserker]

I think it's pretty interesting how you can kinda tell when this years-old thread was resurrected, as it seems to loosely coincide with the same time that people immediately set upon one another for having invalid opinions.

Oh, and Nethack for me.

[SplashChick]

Serious question: Have ANY of you played Mother 3?

[maxlords]

I'm gonna re-respond to this one and say that my favorite RPG of all time is still Suikoden II, hands down. Great story, fun combat, great music, the whole experience.

On top of that Final Fantasy III (VI for you Japanese numberers) is VERY VERY close in second still.

In third place for me is the simply stunning Mass Effect, which was pretty much everything I ever wanted in a modern RPG. Sure, the combat was not the greatest, but I just didn't care. The story was THAT good and THAT immersive.

I do think that PDS is not aging so well though, and while good, I don't think I could easily play through it again, so I'm gonna go ahead and remove it from my top list.

Honorable mentions:
Suikoden III
Suikoden
Wild Arms
Wild Arms: Alter Code F
Shadow Hearts 1-3
Xenogears
Xenosaga (why are you so SLOW??!?!?)
Last Remnant (what? I liked it dammit!)
Oblivion
Dark Cloud 2
Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana
Rogue Galaxy
The World Ends With You
Star Ocean : First Departure

Six years later and the only thing I'd really change (other than adding a few) is that I'd take some of the stuff I listed back then out :D I'm also only listing essentially pure RPGs now.

[Daria]

I think it's pretty interesting how you can kinda tell when this years-old thread was resurrected, as it seems to loosely coincide with the same time that people immediately set upon one another for having invalid opinions.

Oh, and Nethack for me.

Yeah everyone got all like... opinionated and assholish all of a sudden.

Personally I think it's awesome when someone likes something I don't. Maybe we just haven't tried each other's game? I can look into something new, or recommend a game that someone else may really enjoy. What does anyone have to gain if you approach every topic with the "I'm right cause you're stooped attitude"?

And I can't even begin to choose an answer for this topic. I can't even narrow down my favorite RPG for the Playstation, must less pick a best ever made. And then the whole Baldur's Gate vs Fallout thing just makes my head hurt. :/

Splashchick: I started Mother 3. But I had to unhook my PC, so no emulation for me until I can set it back up.

[Ed Oscuro]

Everquest on the P.C. is the Pinacle of RPG.
I wonder how embarrassed digdug would be to read this today. LOL
(I don't have an opinion on Evercrack per se because I've never played it, but it seems to have been clearly superseded by other titles.)

I would still probably choose the game I would've chosen in 2002, though - Morrowind.
It's a bit too tough for my liking, but Vagrant Story is amazing too.

My biggest problems with the jRPG, as a genre, are:

1.) Trying to care about an overarching plot line, although I haven't played some of the reported standouts in this genre so take that with a heavy sprinkling of salt; Vagrant Story is also very good in that regard and I recalled it as a counter-argument. Phantasy Star Online also helps break things up with a lot of little nonsensical quests that keep the focus on the big bads from getting too tiring.

2.) Not being able to take direct enough control of my characters. It only really makes sense for the "tactical" games where you're controlling large armies to abstract the player that much from their forces. There's a reason that games have been moving away from the original Final Fantasy model towards semi real-time stuff for games with small party sizes: It's simply aggravating to be told that your party is stunningly incompetent at doing simple things like hitting stationary plants in front of them (now, that's a huge problem with Morrowind, too, but for other reasons - the initial difficulty curve is way outta whack). In D&D there are critical failures and misses but these are correspondingly vanishingly rare - and more to the point you, the player, are responsible for the bad roll, not the computer (but again this didn't seem to be such a huge issue with the old AD&D computer games like Strategic Simulations, Inc. made because of all the options available to your party at any one time).

[AB Positive]

Oh, and Nethack for me.

Thread over as far as I'm concerned :D

[SplashChick]

Yeah everyone got all like... opinionated and assholish all of a sudden.

Personally I think it's awesome when someone likes something I don't. Maybe we just haven't tried each other's game? I can look into something new, or recommend a game that someone else may really enjoy. What does anyone have to gain if you approach every topic with the "I'm right cause you're stooped attitude"?

And I can't even begin to choose an answer for this topic. I can't even narrow down my favorite RPG for the Playstation, must less pick a best ever made. And then the whole Baldur's Gate vs Fallout thing just makes my head hurt. :/

Agreed completely. Many games in my collection are there only because someone else suggested it to me. I know I have somewhat unusual tastes, but that doesn't mean I can't respect someone else's tastes in games.


Splashchick: I started Mother 3. But I had to unhook my PC, so no emulation for me until I can set it back up.

Oh thank god, I would have been horribly disappointed if there was nobody on this site of all places who have played it.

[Raedon]

this question is too broad. Newer consoles outpower the old ones so its got unfair advantages lol.



Not so! My favorite RPG is still Final Fantasy 3/6 - SNES. It was in 2003 when I last posted to this thread and still is to this day. I'd still rate Bard's Tale on the Amiga as a worthy game to be on my top 10. I mentioned .HACK way way back when and that was just because it was the RPG I was playing at the time. Odin Sphere and Dragon Quest VIII are the only PS2 RPGs on my top 20 list. Odin Sphere for the art style and I loved the RPG beat-em-up gameplay.

[Raedon]

In third place for me is the simply stunning Mass Effect, which was pretty much everything I ever wanted in a modern RPG.

I really should get around to playing Mass Effect.

[Ed Oscuro]

Oh thank god, I would have been horribly disappointed if there was nobody on this site of all places who have played it.
There have been a fair number of big Mother fans on this site throughout the ages...it's still very much a niche game over here.

If I ever get around to trying some traditional jRPGs, the Mother games will be high up on that list.

[kupomogli]

Tactics Ogre is a strategy-RPG. And there's no point in discussing the best strategy-RPG because we all know that it's Disgaea!

The only time Disgaea would ever be considered the best tactical RPG is if it was being compared to games like Eternal Eyes and Hoshigami Ruining Blue Earth.

Out of those three games. Disgaea is definitely the best.


Its like trying to pick which boobs are the best boobs ever.

I'd say a lot of women would be tied with first place.


You people know that RPGs come from places other than Japan as well right?

Western RPG titles aren't as enjoyable as Japanese RPG titles. I'd play games like King's Field any day of the week over Morrowind. However, I can atleast say that Morrowind blows Oblivion out of the water which I did enjoy Oblivion at first, and then it just got to the point that I was like, why am I even playing this crap game? I hated Oblivion after a bit.

Anyways. For the best western RPG, I have to say I've enjoyed Diablo 2, Everquest Champions of Norrath, and Champions Return to Arms as my favorites. I still haven't bought Guild Wars(old now, but yeah) but I have heard that it plays Diablo 2 so maybe I'll like it.

*edit*

Oh yeah. There is one PC RPG I've played that I really liked. I have no idea the name. This is actually one that I liked more than the King's Field games and played just like the King's Field games. I'll give a description of it if anyone can tell me the name of it.

Anyways. When starting a brand new game there was a movie that had some guy chopping wood and a woman with applies and some kid and a dog. It was with real actors. Anyways. Some darkness came through, covered the town, and killed everyone. Then it went to a guy standing over the edge of a cliff looking at a castle which I'm guessing is the same town and then his body teleported down into it.

The game played in first person just like King's Field. You started off in the castle and from what it seems your character may be that kid in the opening movie because in one part he says this place is his room and there's a dead dog in the room which he says is his dog. Anyways. You eventually get staves which you can inscribe certain runes into and cast them a certain amount of charges per staff. One of the first major bosses in the game also is when you have to drain the water from the sewer as when the water isn't drained there is a monster you can't see who is under the water and basically rapes you. After that you go into caves with ogres and such.

Anyways. I loved this game but I have no idea what the name is. I borrowed it from a friend at one point. Don't remember if I ever beat it it was so long ago. I can atleast say it was on a CD.

[Aussie2B]

I have somewhat unusual tastes, but that doesn't mean I can't respect someone else's tastes in games.

Are you sure about that? You already just insinuated previously in this topic that the only correct answer to this topic must be Mother 3 and that the only reason people aren't choosing it must be because they haven't played it yet.

[SplashChick]

Are you sure about that? You already just insinuated previously in this topic that the only correct answer to this topic must be Mother 3 and that the only reason people aren't choosing it must be because they haven't played it yet.

Uh, no, I expressed surprise at how almost nobody on a site for gaming enthusiasts have played it at all.

[Aussie2B]

Sources? :P

Seriously, though, I generally ignore stuff about the Mother series since I've never played any of them, and even I have noticed tons of people talking about playing Mother 3. It's just that most of the discussion was prior to when you signed up, back when the patch was first released, which is the usual course of events for any new US release or newly patched Japanese exclusive.

Even my boyfriend's 15-year-old sister has played it. Didn't like it much, though. She prefers Earthbound.

[SplashChick]

I guess, but it blew me away with how good it was, I'm surprised it hasn't even gotten a mention.

[A Black Falcon]

no ones mentioned quest for glory V yet? :(

I love the QFG series, if I was doing a more complete list of my favorite RPGs the first and fourth QFG games would definitely be on it. I found the fifth one the weakest of the series though, it's jut so different... the original QFG (So You Want To Be A Hero) is just an amazing game, one of my favorites really. The fourth game, Shadows of Darkness, is also an exceptional game, with a very similar scope to the first game but just about perfecting the system. They're perfect mixes of the adventure and action-RPG genres. QFGV, though... the combat system is pretty much Diablo, and is less interesting than any previous game in the series. The game in general just doesn't quite live up to the past ones... it's still a great game, and gives a good, solid ending to the series, but it's the weakest one, sadly. Still, even the weakest game from such a great series is still a pretty good game. :)

[badinsults]

When it is all said and done, I still think Final Fantasy IV is my favourite (though the DS remake was very disappointing with its unbalanced gameplay).

I just got through the SFC remake of Dragon Quest 2. Though I enjoyed it, it certainly was nice when they decided to make the Return spell allow you to go back to the city of your choice later in the series.

I'm also playing Final Fantasy V (GBA) right now. First time through, and I really enjoy it.

I'd also like to throw out Paper Mario for the Gamecube as one of my favourite RPGs of all time. It had an excellent (and not kiddie) storyline, and interesting battle system, and lots of places to explore.

Aside from the Paper Mario games, I can't think of any console RPG post-FF7 that I have truly enjoyed. Then again, I never owned a PS1 or PS2, so maybe that has something to do with it. In my stack of Xbox 360 games, the only RPGs I have are Fable 2, which I got bored with after a while, and Star Ocean 4, which totally blows.

[LaughingMAN.S9]

I love the QFG series, if I was doing a more complete list of my favorite RPGs the first and fourth QFG games would definitely be on it. I found the fifth one the weakest of the series though, it's jut so different... the original QFG (So You Want To Be A Hero) is just an amazing game, one of my favorites really. The fourth game, Shadows of Darkness, is also an exceptional game, with a very similar scope to the first game but just about perfecting the system. They're perfect mixes of the adventure and action-RPG genres. QFGV, though... the combat system is pretty much Diablo, and is less interesting than any previous game in the series. The game in general just doesn't quite live up to the past ones... it's still a great game, and gives a good, solid ending to the series, but it's the weakest one, sadly. Still, even the weakest game from such a great series is still a pretty good game. :)

JESUSSSSSSSS, SERIOUSLY?!?

lol quest for glory v was da 1st and only game in the series i played and i absolutely fell in love with it, i never quite got to beat it tho since a friend broke the disc in half accidentally years ago, but maybe its about time i looked for the games and played them straight thru from beginining to end

i wonder how hard it would be to get them up and running on windows 7 :(

if i could get them running on a modded xbox, that would be absolutely perfect :love:

[A Black Falcon]

JESUSSSSSSSS, SERIOUSLY?!?

lol quest for glory v was da 1st and only game in the series i played and i absolutely fell in love with it, i never quite got to beat it tho since a friend broke the disc in half accidentally years ago, but maybe its about time i looked for the games and played them straight thru from beginining to end

i wonder how hard it would be to get them up and running on windows 7 :(

if i could get them running on a modded xbox, that would be absolutely perfect :love:

Well, the fifth one is quite different in gameplay from the others, so I wouldn't gaurantee that you'd like them more... but most series fans do like the earlier titles more, for sure.

Basically, the first four games run on special versions of Sierra's regular late '80s/early '90s adventure game engines. They've just added extra menus, battles, stats, and more to the base adventure game engine. You explore, talk to people, fight battles (the battle system changes a little in each game, but it is always in a separate battle screen, not in the overworld), solve puzzles, and more... there are lots of adventure-game-style puzzles, plenty of conversations, different paths for each class, and more. Oh, the first and fourth games both have somewhat mazelike overworlds, so you'll either need to make a map or download one. They're easy to find on GameFAQs and such, but the overworlds aren't large, so it's not much harder to make one yourself. One thing I like about the series is that each game has a narrow focus and a clear theme. Each game isn't a grand quest around the world, but just something in one specific area. Also each game has a different theme and setting, and no two are exactly alike.

In the fifth game some things are similar, but combat just involves Diablo-style mouse clicking, not anything like any of the combat systems from the first four games. There's also more combat, really, but it's not better... as for graphics there is a big jump from the fourth to the fifth, because of how long the fifth took to develop, but at least with the earlier ones you don't have those now not so great looking 3d models... it's all 2d sprites. Pretty nice looking too, in the VGA games.

Oh, and the fifth game has a LOT of in-jokes and references to the first four games. Almost every major character from the first four games returns in the fifth, and you meet characters that had been referenced before but you had never met such as the Nameless Adventurer (The Nameless Adventurer's Correspondence School was actually founded by the Nameless Adventurer? Who knew? :)). You'll get a lot more out of the fifth game in that way if you play the first four. :)

As for running them, the first four games are DOS games, so use DOSBox. (There was a Windows version of the fourth one, but it comes on the same CD as the DOS version, and the DOS version is far more reliable when played in DOSBox...)

The series...

Hero's Quest / Quest for Glory: So You Want to Be A Hero -- German village /traditional fantasy theme. Originally released in EGA. This version has text-parser conversation input only, you have to guess what you can ask people. I really dislike that, but a lot of people like it.
Quest for Glory II: Trial by Fire -- Arabian theme. EGA only, until the recent fan-made remake you fan find online. The EGA version is parser input only. I'd recommend just playing the fan remake, it's more fun...
Quest for Glory: So You Want To Be A Hero, VGA Remake -- this came next. Awesome VGA remake of the original, looks beautiful... this is the version I played. A true classic.
Quest for Glory III: Wages of War -- African theme. VGA only.
Quest for Glory IV: Shadows of Darkness -- Eastern European horror theme. VGA only, has both floppy disk and CD versions. The original floppy version was extremely buggy at first, but the CD version fixes most of the bugs. The CD version is worth it, the voice acting is fantastic! John Rhys-Davies (who later was Gimli in the Lord of the Rings movies) is the narrator, and he does a great job... this one has the best plot so far, too.

The bad side? If you want to own them legitimately, it'll cost you. The Quest for Glory Anthology and Quest for Glory Collector Series collections, which both include the first four games, are quite pricey on auction sites -- expect to pay $50-$100 or more. The games individually (on floppy disk for any of them, or CD for the fourth one) are cheaper, but still not cheap. I don't think even QFGV is cheap...

I'm sure some abandonware sites have them, but I don't know which. I have actual copies, I never needed to look.

[Nonplus]

You know, I actually recently started to play through some of my older RPGs, and the ones that really stick out are the Arc the Lad series, Wizardry V, and Suikoden 2 (the only one in the series I've played). Arc the Lad is a strategy title, but I always think back to it as a regular RPG...it just had that feel to it.

Tactics Ogre is a strategy-RPG. And there's no point in discussing the best strategy-RPG because we all know that it's Disgaea!

Kupomogli might have something to say about that...
EDIT: He already did...damn it.

[carlcarlson]

Kupomogli might have something to say about that...

He always does. He could work his dislike for Disgaea into a discussion about cake.

My favorite rpg is Morrowind. When I stepped out of that first house in Seyda Neen and realized I could go absolutely anywhere I was blown away. Then I walked into a shop and for the first time ever I could actually steal all of the stuff laying around, it wasn't just window dressing. And then the coolest thing of all happened: I saw a guy with cool looking armor on, and when he died I was able to take that armor. I had been wanting to do that since I played my first rpg.

After all of that the story, world editor, and the sense of an actual world were just icing on the cake.

Oblivion was great too but it messed up enough stuff to place lower than it's predecessor (mainly the enemy leveling). I really enjoy Fallout 3 as well.

Some other honorables:
Final Fantasy XII
Disgaea, if we're doing srpgs
Chrono Trigger
Star Ocean: Second Story
Diablo 2

[scottw182]

I don't know if a "best" could realistically be determined, but my favorite has always been, and probably always will be, Final Fantasy VI. I just love everything about that game. The story is incredible and engaging. Best villain ever. Lots of unique characters with different abilities. Amazing graphics. Lots of humor, but also lots of serious tear-jerking moments. Fun gameplay. Very re-playable. I love it!

Other favorites:

FFIV
Chrono Trigger
Secret of Mana
Final Fantasy X
Illusion of Gaia
Final Fantasy Legend
Final Fantasy Legend II
Pokemon R/B/Y & G/S/C

[Baloo]

I haven't played many RPGs, as I shy away from the Square Enix games, because I find their gameplay very boring and tedious, and the plots ridiculous and terrible. But from the RPGs I have played, I like these:

Pokemon Crystal
Pokemon Yellow
Fire Emblem
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
Shining in the Darkness

Pokemon Crystal is probably my favorite RPG, then Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. I really liked those. Shining in the Darkness is an old favorite, but I never got around to finishing it as the mazes became extremely difficult, even with a map. I really liked the storyline though.

As for the gameplay of RPGs in general, I'm a big fan of Fire Emblem's turned-based Strategic gameplay, compared to the random encounters and attack with one move or a different move gameplay of most RPGs. Pokemon was the only game where I liked that kind of gameplay because the battles were short and it didn't have the whole "Swords and Magic and Medieval Monsters" kind of plotline.

And I don't like the Final Fantasy series.

[Raedon]

I'll include another classic to my Fav. list - Phantasy Star on the SMS. Just a great RPG all around.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Phantasy_Star_box_US.jpg

If you went around and asked everyone which RPG is the greatest of all time it would be between FF VI and FF VII and I'll bet FF VII would win the top spot out. There was just more of an install base for FFVII then there ever was for SNES FF3/6.

It's like asking people about Zork. There are very few gamers who grew up with Zork and still play games today. The guys who played Zork also played the Gold box games which were more of an actual RPG game. Zork was just an adventure game imo. I don't even consider text adventures in the RPG category. I tend to lump Zork into the catagory with King's Quest, The Black Cauldron, and Leisure Suit Larry.

[Arkhan]

You fail right there. Power of a system has nothing to do with how good a RPG is or can be infact(power Isn't even a factor lol, We aren't talking about FPS, Sports or Fighter games here).

Uhm. The medium the games are stored on (which you also mentioned) is PART of the system. Unless you think that the C64 having tapes/5.25" disks isn't a limitation when compared to a SNES game. I could bring up more limitations of 8 bit computers and their RPGs if you want.

The power of the system in question imposes alot of limitations on what can and can't be done as far as presenting a game to someone. There's a reason you dont see any heavily story driven games on the Atari 2600. It can't do it.

Compare NES Dragon Quest 3 to SNES remake. More power = better presentation. :dance: More room for text, more room for graphics, more room for sprawling out a story? Duh?

Maybe you ought to turn off the condescending know-it-all button. It's not working out for you. Especially when you open up a reply with "you fail right there" Says who? Says you? The assuming know it all? bah.




PS. I take it you never played Lufia 2? If you had, you wouldn't think Lufia 1 was all that good, and besides there are tons of games far better then Lufia 1 on the SNES alone(Chrono Trigger, FF3, Breath of Fire 2, the before mentioned Lufia 2, and exc).

Hey wow. Assume much? Continue to condescend much? It's kind of a poor move to make remarks like this and direct them at people you don't know very well at all.

I own and have completed every game you mentioned there and then some. Just on the SNES. I like Lufia 1 alot. More than Lufia 2, excluding some of the soundtrack. Its a difference of opinion. Quit being an ass.




Oh, and Nethack for me.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Now I am going to start playing again.

There goes my week.

crap.

:king: