console handheld?

[Sothy]

Some ignorant feeb "JJnova" Is trying to say that the Nintendo DS is a console...

I as well as anyone that has a brain say that a console is a home system that hooks into a tv or other display.

And a handeheld is a self contained portable unit.


So... is the Nintendo DS a console or a handheld?

[JJNova]

IT is the instrument used to control the actions on screen, therefore it is a "console" in the strictest context of the word. Stop being so sad that you lost at Mario Kart and immediately sold your DS afterwards. JJNova's Luigi was all up in Sothy's Yoshi track running laps around his d00dz.

PS : LadyJaye is going to be mad you brought our lovers quarrel into her domain.

[Sothy]

Its not a console you fucking hermaphrodite.

[JJNova]

Your moms a hermaphrodite. That's why you call her Dammy.

[Sothy]

shut up and let the poll speak for itself.

Dammy wtf?

[JJNova]

Your poll is based on you wording something to sound like something it isn't. Obviously it's a handheld...it's a handheld console.

[InsaneDavid]

ROFL

I say handheld because the input device is attached via case design and not cabling. The Famicom, for instance is a console although the controllers are attached, since they are bound by cables and not molded into the main unit - where as a Sega Nomad is a handheld since the controls are integrated.

I think the console / handheld thing is a bigger problem because of little LCD handhelds and the like which should be called "one-make handhelds" - at least that's what I refer to them as. This brings up confusion since I agree that a Lynx or DS or TurboExpress shouldn't be put in the same category.

Console - NES, Genesis, PS2, Dreamcast, etc.
One-Make Console - Super Pong, Video Pinball, etc.
Handheld - GameBoy, DS, Lynx, etc.
One-Make Handheld - LCD Pac-Man, Game & Watch, etc.
Tabletop - Coleco Frogger, Epoch Astro Command, etc.

[Lothars]

Sothy's right it's a HandHeld, it's not a console

[Nez]

Hand Held.

[JJNova]

Who are you people getting involved in our personal affairs. No shit it's a handheld. It's a handheld console.

It can't just be a handheld. My penis is handheld, but that doesn't make it "A" handheld. Instead, it's a handheld penis. I'm pretty sure most of us have hand held penii.

[InsaneDavid]

Who are you people getting involved in our personal affairs. No shit it's a handheld. It's a handheld console.

Hey now, at least I explained my point instead of just saying "handheld."

[moycon]

Wow I can't believe Sothy wasted 3 minutes of his precious life even entertaining the thought of starting such a retarded poll....much less actually doing it. It's a hand held, anyone that thinks otherwise is mentaly challenged.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/120/120118/folders/233293/1920719NintendoDS.jpg

[GrandAmChandler]

GAC SAYS: Handheld. All the way.

[kevin_psx]

Some ignorant feeb "JJnova" Is trying to say that the Nintendo DS is a console...

A stereo is not an Ipod.
And Ipod is not a stereo.

Same applies to the console vs. handheld. One is for a giant TV screen & the other is not.

[The Shawn]

I think that "If it requires a monitor" it's a console. If "it includes a BUILT IN monitor" it's a handheld. This exludes such things as a folding gaming screen attachment for PS and X-box of course that you have to buy seperately, because the system itself was designed to plug into a seperate source. Ah well...that's my opinion So I guess the DS is a handheld...right?

[Snapple]

It's a handheld video gaming device, not a console.

A console, by definition, is a freestanding device, not portable.

In the context of video games, video game systems are usually divided into consoles and handhelds. It can't be both.

[Kid Ice]

I moved this to moden gaming so I wouldn't have to mop up the blood.

[kentuckyfried]

Calling a handheld a console is like those old people that call controller's paddles or remotes!

THEY CALL THEM FUCKING REMOTES!

[neuropolitique]

A console implies a stationary object. Think console TV, or the console in your car. Large, bulky, meant to stay in one place. A handheld implies a small, portable unit.

The correct terms would be;
Console Video Game System
Handheld Video Game System

I would even argue that there is a third category, Portable Video Game System, which wuold include the Vectrex and Virtual Boy.

[Jibbajaba]

I think that "If it requires a monitor" it's a console. If "it includes a BUILT IN monitor" it's a handheld. This exludes such things as a folding gaming screen attachment for PS and X-box of course that you have to buy seperately, because the system itself was designed to plug into a seperate source. Ah well...that's my opinion So I guess the DS is a handheld...right?

Unfortunately, by your definition, the Vectrex is a handheld.

Chris

[calthaer]

Someone picked a fight with Sothy? What a n00b! Why aren't you licking his boots, fool? He may be rough around the edges, but he can go in your base and kill your d00dz.

It's obviously a handheld.

[[-Sentinel-]]

ROFL!
xD
It's a handheld. :P

[CosmicMonkey]

This is actually quite laughable. OMG!!one11eleven..etc...

The DS is a handheld games system/console. Whatever.

If a system's primary power source is mains electric, and it uses your Telly for a display then it's a home machine. If it has it's own display but uses mains electric, it's a portable (i.e - PCE LT). If it uses batteries as its primary power source, (and has its own display) then it's a handheld.

Interestingly though, what would you class the GP2X as then? It can plug into your TV via S-Vid and you can use an external USB pad. Heh, let the confusion begin.

[heyricochet]

I think that "If it requires a monitor" it's a console. If "it includes a BUILT IN monitor" it's a handheld. This exludes such things as a folding gaming screen attachment for PS and X-box of course that you have to buy seperately, because the system itself was designed to plug into a seperate source. Ah well...that's my opinion So I guess the DS is a handheld...right?

Unfortunately, by your definition, the Vectrex is a handheld.

Chris

Well it was marketed as being portable. LOL

[BrokenFlight]

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handheld_console)

Hmm.

[Snapple]

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handheld_console)

Hmm.

Wikipedia is user-contributed, so it can be wrong sometimes. I still think that handhelds can't also be consoles. That's all I have to say about that.

[7th lutz]

Ds is a Handheld. I think some people hired by game publication don't have clue what a handheld is. I recalled on a 10 greatest consoles of alltime gameboy was mentioned.

Ds is handheld because you can play it anywhere compare to a game console. A game Console is something you need a tv for. A ds is as much as a handheld a Psp is.

My brother and I grow up with tiger handhelds in the late 80's. There is no different between a tiger handheld and a ds except for graphics, ds is able to play more then one game without bying more ds handhelds unlike tiger. A tiger handheld game in the late 80's and early 90's was like a pong system. A pong system was a game console. Systems like the 2600 brought new meaning to it. The ds, Gameboy, and Psp brought a new meaning to handheld.

There is not such a beast called a handheld console.
Anything that is portable and runs on batteries in handheld. To call it a console because you can play more then one game on it is not accurate. A ds has the same foundation base a tiger held in buttons with improvements.

This reminds me of the wendys commerical that 2 people made up terms like foon instead of spoon, created the word socrid instead of solid.

[The Shawn]

I think that "If it requires a monitor" it's a console. If "it includes a BUILT IN monitor" it's a handheld. This exludes such things as a folding gaming screen attachment for PS and X-box of course that you have to buy seperately, because the system itself was designed to plug into a seperate source. Ah well...that's my opinion So I guess the DS is a handheld...right?

Unfortunately, by your definition, the Vectrex is a handheld.

Chris

Allright how about "If it comes with a built in monitor and it's main primary source is batteries it's a handheld" How many batts did the Vectrex take? LOL

[Cryomancer]

Sounds like a good idea for a mod.

[Sothy]

I think the people have spoken JJ.

Cry your tears of shame yesssssss.


Ah well the debate yet rages....



<vectorman> all handhelds are consoles, but consoles are not handhelds
<vectorman> sort of like squares and rectangles
<Sothy> except not like that at all
<NE146> so my game and watch is a console?

[Ed Oscuro]

hey guys, my conscience spoke to me. He says that classification debates are lame in general. I think I'm going to listen this time.

[ozyr]

Some ignorant feeb "JJnova" Is trying to say that the Nintendo DS is a console...

I as well as anyone that has a brain say that a console is a home system that hooks into a tv or other display.

And a handeheld is a self contained portable unit.

I agree that it is a handheld, but do we really need the language here (language, as in demeaning language). This is one of the reasons that I personally am getting sick of on the DP board. I think your an okay person Sothy, but lighten up and deal with it. SOme people have their 'own' opinion - even if it doesn't follow the mainstream!


But debate on if you want, it's a show for now... :popcorn:

Personally - I think a forum MOD should lock this darn thing. MOD anyone!? Never find one when you need one...

[GrandAmChandler]

Some ignorant feeb "JJnova" Is trying to say that the Nintendo DS is a console...

I as well as anyone that has a brain say that a console is a home system that hooks into a tv or other display.

And a handeheld is a self contained portable unit.

I agree that it is a handheld, but do we really need the language here (language, as in demeaning language). This is one of the reasons that I personally am getting sick of on the DP board. I think your an okay person Sothy, but lighten up and deal with it. SOme people have their 'own' opinion - even if it doesn't follow the mainstream!


But debate on if you want, it's a show for now... :popcorn:

Personally - I think a forum MOD should lock this darn thing. MOD anyone!? Never find one when you need one...

There is no reason for this to be locked...... Yet. There is some valuable discussion going on here.

[bunbunz23]

Handheld

[kentuckyfried]

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:console&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

A system dedicated to playing video games. This does not include PCs or hand-helds.
www.videogamecritic.net/gloss.htm

[Speedy_NES]

For me, console is synonymous with system...I consider the Nintendo DS a handheld console, just as I would call it a handheld system.

[Sothy]

I agree that it is a handheld, but do we really need the language here (language, as in demeaning language). This is one of the reasons that I personally am getting sick of on the DP board. I think your an okay person Sothy, but lighten up and deal with it. SOme people have their 'own' opinion - even if it doesn't follow the mainstream!


But debate on if you want, it's a show for now... Popcorn



Well ya it is entertainment.

It isnt like I just started flaming someone I dont know about a difference of opinion.
Me and JJ are friends. That is the difference between trolling and good natured rivalry. I assume that most of the mods know this?

Not that I dont enjoy JJ getting pwned by my poll.

[JJNova]

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:console&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

A system dedicated to playing video games. This does not include PCs or hand-helds.
www.videogamecritic.net/gloss.htm


You do realize, that that's the exact same Google search that started this rivalry? If you had the common sense to read all of the definitions before posting the link that proves you wrong, you would of seen that most of the definitions follow the lines of "an interface consisting of instruments to control actions or character models."

If you read all of the definitions on the Google results page, you would of seen that the definitions supporting it as a console, far outweigh the one result stating "this does not include handhelds."

Please people. At least if you are going to be a smart ass about your answer, don't post links to sites that grossly contradict your opinion. K'thanks.

[Cryomancer]

"hand-held console"?

[Niku-Sama]

heres a few hand held consoles

http://www.benheck.com/Games/Book_projects/Book_projects.htm#NES_hand

[ozyr]

Okay SOthy, I get your point. The main issue I had with this thing is that it reminds me too much of what DP is becoming. There are far too many trolls around in the last few years (not saying your one)... I get so tired of it sometimes.

[Kid Ice]

Okay SOthy, I get your point. The main issue I had with this thing is that it reminds me too much of what DP is becoming. There are far too many trolls around in the last few years (not saying your one)... I get so tired of it sometimes.

A few thoughts:

-I think the line has been blurred, in a way, between consoles and handhelds. Not that I would mistake a handheld for a full-on console, but the quality of games on handhelds is at least approaching the quality of console games, which IMO is something kind of new. Sort of like the way consoles caught up with arcade games in the 90s. So I think it’s a valid and interesting discussion. Give a PSP or a DS a convenient TV out, and you’ve got a pretty good console on your hands (hee hee).

-There have been other threads where “friends” flamed each other and I thought “We can’t let this continue” out of ignorance. But this is not one of them…it’s not characteristic of Sothy to needlessly abuse someone, I saw the comments between JJ Nova and Sothy as a sort of parody of a flame war.

-At the risk of derailing things here, I’m definitely not in the “DP was great and now it sucks” camp. The audience is considerably larger and probably skews younger. There is still good conversation to be had, including classic gaming discussion. I wouldn’t call anyone who frequently posts here a troll. Of course people post stuff I don’t like and break the rules, same as it ever was if you ask me. Change is an inevitable part of life, I believe the question to ask is have the forums changed, or have I?

[SirDrexl]

My feeling is: although "handheld" is an adjective rather than a noun, calling something a handheld is acceptable, because it's just shorthand for saying "handheld console."

This thing reminds me of a debate on another forum about whether a hamburger is a sandwich. Of course, it is, but if someone said "I'm going to make a sandwich" a hamburger is not what you would expect. By the same token, if I said "this is a console" you would expect a self-contained system that connects to a display device such as a TV, rather than something portable.

[ProgrammingAce]

So where does the virtual boy fit in to this? Takes batteries, has a built in display... so it's a handheld.

Has a corded controller, must remain stationary while using it... so it's a console...

[lordnikon]

A handheld is defined by it's function.

When you play a Nintendo DS, you hold the actual device in your hand.

When playing my Playstation 2 I don't have the system in one hand and my controller in the other. (hehe)

The Nintendo DS is a HAND Held.

[Sothy]

This thing reminds me of a debate on another forum about whether a hamburger is a sandwich. Of course, it is, but if someone said "I'm going to make a sandwich" a hamburger is not what you would expect. By the same token, if I said "this is a console" you would expect a self-contained system that connects to a display device such as a TV, rather than something portable.

I say a sandwich ceases to be a sandwich once cooking is involved.

[lordnikon]

This thing reminds me of a debate on another forum about whether a hamburger is a sandwich. Of course, it is, but if someone said "I'm going to make a sandwich" a hamburger is not what you would expect. By the same token, if I said "this is a console" you would expect a self-contained system that connects to a display device such as a TV, rather than something portable.

I say a sandwich ceases to be a sandwich once cooking is involved.
Grilled Cheese Sandwich...

[atari_overlord]

This is not very well thought out so someone can hit me if they want.......... Couldnt the same argument be made with computers.
A computer is a computer..
A laptop is a computer ...
Just because it is a computer does not mean it is a laptop.

Computer like console is a generic name. PS2 is a console
NDS is a handheld console.
Both are consoles.
I guess the argument with the computers is just because it is portable does not mean it is not a computer. And just because it is handheld does not mean it is not a console.

Does that make any sense?
Where am I?

[SirDrexl]

This is not very well thought out so someone can hit me if they want.......... Couldnt the same argument be made with computers.
A computer is a computer..
A laptop is a computer ...
Just because it is a computer does not mean it is a laptop.

Computer like console is a generic name. PS2 is a console
NDS is a handheld console.
Both are consoles.
I guess the argument with the computers is just because it is portable does not mean it is not a computer. And just because it is handheld does not mean it is not a console.

Does that make any sense?
Where am I?

Yes! Like I said, it's about what someone's expectations would be, based on how the word is typically used. In your example, if someone said "I bought a computer," you would not expect it to be a laptop, because someone would probably say "I bought a laptop" if that was the case.

[odyeiop]

This is not very well thought out so someone can hit me if they want.......... Couldnt the same argument be made with computers.
A computer is a computer..
A laptop is a computer ...
Just because it is a computer does not mean it is a laptop.

Computer like console is a generic name. PS2 is a console
NDS is a handheld console.
Both are consoles.
I guess the argument with the computers is just because it is portable does not mean it is not a computer. And just because it is handheld does not mean it is not a console.

Does that make any sense?
Where am I?
But are consoles not also computers

da da da

[The Shawn]

This thing reminds me of a debate on another forum about whether a hamburger is a sandwich. Of course, it is, but if someone said "I'm going to make a sandwich" a hamburger is not what you would expect. By the same token, if I said "this is a console" you would expect a self-contained system that connects to a display device such as a TV, rather than something portable.

I say a sandwich ceases to be a sandwich once cooking is involved.

A rueben is a sandwich
Tuna Melt (open faced, still a sandwich)
Cuban Pork sandwich
Hot chicken/turkey/roast beef sandwich
Hot pastrami sandwich
Sloppy Joes
Hot hamburger/gravy
Hamburger club sandwich
Should I go on................

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!


(lighten the mood a little!) LOL :)

[Slate]

I say handheld.

This topic reminds me of people calling the Sega genesis a "sega" Wich is stupid.

I say genesis, The girl next door says..

:o SEGA! :o

If you haven't seen a Sega commercial, you won't understand the smileys next to "SEGA!"

[zerohero]

Its a handheld because it was purposely designed to be one.

But if we go off of the reverse logic. When I add a mini portal screen to my ps2 , GC, Xbox, is it no longer a console?

Like I said, what ever the manufacture intentions where when building it defines what it is. It might have console capabilities, etc etc. But its still a handheld.

[kevin_psx]

Its a handheld because it was purposely designed to be one. But if we go off of the reverse logic. When I add a mini portal screen to my ps2 , GC, Xbox, is it no longer a console?
I admit I'm biased against battery-powered handhelds.

When the Gameboy first came out I thought, "Why are people playing this? The Commodore computers and Nintenod consoles are so much better graphically, aurally, and with a better selection of games."

Even now 20 years later I still have that bias. Why play on a tiny little screen & inferior software library when I can play on a full-sized television console? So in my mind calling a handheld a console is an insult to those devices (X360, PS3, Revolution) that truly ARE consoles & provide superior gaming.

[B - Mark]

I voted in handhelds.

The handhelds is good to long travels.

My favorite handhelds:
- Game Boy Classic, Color and Advance
- Game Gear
- Nintendo DS
- PSP

In Game Boy Advance for exemple are good games for NES and Super NES for the system.

And the best of PSP is his emulators for the system.