People who repeatedly email you demanding feedback

[Vroomfunkel]

Does anyone else get this? And what do you do about it?

In general, I leave feedback for every transaction I conduct - but I don't always do it straight away. Because I make a lot of transactions, it is a lot easier for me to feedback in bulk every now and then, when I can just copy and paste the responses.

Anyway, a while ago I sold a game to this guy in Spain and in the last week or two he has emailed me three or four times, asking - and then demanding that I leave him feedback.

Now, i have had a pretty hectic week or so and actually I find this tantamount to harassment and was very tempted to leave him feedback that he would not have been grateful for.

In the end I have settled for sending him this message instead:


Although it may be a surprise to you, some people have other things to attend to in life in addition to eBay.

I have had to go abroad for work, sit professional exams, and arrange travel to a family funeral and so I have been delayed with some of my eBay activities.

In general I always leave feedback for transactions, however I find your insistence extremely rude, especially given the circumstances.

You therefore now have the dubious honour of being the first person with whom I have concluded a satisfactory transaction for whom I will NOT be leaving feedback.

It would not even alter your rating anyway, because I have already left you positive feedback in the past for other items.

[DreamTR]

I get it all the time. I leave feedback usually once a month in one big spurt because of the volume of products I sell.

Usually, I receive:

LEAVE FEEDBACK

FEEDBACK WOULD BE NICE

PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK

FEEDBACK PLEASE

[Darth Sensei]

Maybe you should subcribe to one of those services. They leave it automatically.

[Vroomfunkel]

I don't want my feedback left automatically - I want to decide myself whether or not to leave a good feedback, and whether or not I want to personalise the message.

I didn't realise that you could sign up for a service that automatically sends demands for feedback ... and I find the concept even more offensive than if he were just sending the messages himslef. If I receive another demand from this guy, I am going to leave him bad feedback just to teach him a lesson that conducting his business this way won't necessarily get him the results he wants. Perhaps that might convince him to stop.

Vroomfunkel

[Steven]

I think while I understand why you did what you did, discretion might have been the better part of vailor (sp)

You never know when these sicko's go overboard... I mean, he's dealt with you numerous times already you stated, so he does have your mailing address. So he sent a couple emails pestering you to leave feedback. People will be bitches like that. I would have just taken 30 seconds out of my time to leave him feedback so he can feel happy about his sad little existence, and not replied to him at all -- take the high road, especially since he knows my address.

If anything, you probably pissed him off more, and he's already a little... looney. I wouldn't have risked it if I were you over something as silly as "leaving feedback."

Good luck though. Hopefully he backs off but I think he'll just reply and make it a bigger mess than it already was .... and it wasn't a big mess, IMHO, to begin with. The idiot was just adamant about getting his + FB.

[Vroomfunkel]

People who think that they can get what they want just by being arrogant and demanding really piss me off.

I prefer to let them know that being a prick doesn't always get them what they want. To be honest, I don't give a crap that he has my address. He lives in Spain, what's he going to do - come over and knock on the door?

Vroomfunkel

[jajaja]

I think you're making a problem out of nothing. Leaving feedback takes max 1 minute. You obviously read his mail, why not just log into your ebay account and leave feedback right away after you read it? You're sitting infront of the computer then.

Then the problem is solved and you wont hear more from him/her. Its unessesary to waste energy being angry over something as small as this.

[Darth Sensei]

I didn't realise that you could sign up for a service that automatically sends demands for feedback ... and I find the concept even more offensive than if he were just sending the messages himslef. I

No dude, I don't think there's a service that does that. The service automatically leaves feedback after you receive it.

[Griking]

Although it may be a surprise to you, some people have other things to attend to in life in addition to eBay.

I have had to go abroad for work, sit professional exams, and arrange travel to a family funeral and so I have been delayed with some of my eBay activities.

In general I always leave feedback for transactions, however I find your insistence extremely rude, especially given the circumstances.

You therefore now have the dubious honour of being the first person with whom I have concluded a satisfactory transaction for whom I will NOT be leaving feedback.

It would not even alter your rating anyway, because I have already left you positive feedback in the past for other items.

Because you're a regular here I'll believe what you claimed in your response to him but if I had a dime for every person on eBay who claimed that they couldn't meet some responsibility they had because they had to arrange for a funeral or had a sick relative I wouldn't have to sell things on eBay any longer. No offense, but everyone supposingly has a valid excuse and therefore nobody believes anyone. I personally would have just explained it to him the way you explained it to us and left it at that.


In general, I leave feedback for every transaction I conduct - but I don't always do it straight away. Because I make a lot of transactions, it is a lot easier for me to feedback in bulk every now and then, when I can just copy and paste the responses.

This just sounds much more believable.

[Vroomfunkel]

Well for one thing, I'm afraid receiving feedback is not some kind of God-given right to begin with. I sell video games - not feedback. If someone sends me money, and I send them a game, that is all my obligations fulfilled. And before anyone goes off on a rant about how leaving feedback is what makes eBay work, please note that apart from this, I always do leave feedback.

I am quite happy to apologise ito someone f there has been some delay in sending out an item - but frankly, whinging about not having had your feedback after two weeks is kinda pathetic.

I gave him the details because I wanted him to understand how offensive I found it to be repeatedly emailed with demands about feedback at this particular time.

Any other time then maybe I would have just ignored it and left the feedback as and when I got round to it, but I'm afraid this guy chose the wrong time to get pissy with me. Especially over a feedback that won't make jot of difference to him (presuming I were to leave +ve, that is!)

Vroomfunkel

[ryborg]

I subscribe to the bulk-feedback-leaving method myself, around once a month or so. I get these emails CONSTANTLY.

When someone is new to ebay, is polite, and has low feedback, I usually make an exception and quickly leave them a generic positive.

When someone has more feedback than me and/or is demanding, I wait until the monthly unloading of feedback and I will commonly tell them such in a quick reply.

When someone sends 5+ seperate emails in the time since I last checked my email, all demanding, I file them away in the "Do Not Leave Feedback" Gmail folder.

When someone sends 5+ seperate emails TIME AFTER TIME, they just might get a neutral from me or a positive along the lines of "Here. Quit emailing me. The bill for wasting my bandwidth & time is in the mail."
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[scorch56]

Years ago.. I used to be very "anal" about being left feedback. I'm a buyer.. not a seller.. 99% of my feedback is from sellers. It only ticks me off when a seller actually states in his auction he leaves prompt feedback.. then doesn't. Having said that.. I had a really ugly run-in with a seller a couple years back about this issue. In the end.. we BOTH lost (retaliatory feedback's a bitch). I learned a lesson.. anymore.. I just don't give a shit.

Having said that.. I'm proud of the fact that I have left 805 feedbacks (I just checked) and only recieved barely over 700.. but my overall is 656 positives at 99.5% (Man.. I've had a LOT of repeat sellers!).

[Griking]

Having said that.. I'm proud of the fact that I have left 805 feedbacks (I just checked) and only recieved barely over 700.. but my overall is 656 positives at 99.5% (Man.. I've had a LOT of repeat sellers!).

I've left 1724 feedback and received 1396. Not too bad of a percentage I suppose.

[scorch56]

Having said that.. I'm proud of the fact that I have left 805 feedbacks (I just checked) and only recieved barely over 700.. but my overall is 656 positives at 99.5% (Man.. I've had a LOT of repeat sellers!).

I've left 1724 feedback and received 1396. Not too bad of a percentage I suppose.

It just shows we're responsible Griking; also.. by our actions.. we are showing that we actually do value feedback.. or you and I wouldn't take the time to do so for others.

[Griking]

Having said that.. I'm proud of the fact that I have left 805 feedbacks (I just checked) and only recieved barely over 700.. but my overall is 656 positives at 99.5% (Man.. I've had a LOT of repeat sellers!).

I've left 1724 feedback and received 1396. Not too bad of a percentage I suppose.

It just shows we're responsible Griking; also.. by our actions.. we are showing that we actually do value feedback.. or you and I wouldn't take the time to do so for others.

Honestly I really don't even care about my feedback any more. I primarily only monitor it nowadays because a new positive means that one of my buyers has received their item. I remember feedback being important to me when I was new to eBay though because you need at least SOME positive feedback to build a certain level of trust to a seller. I try to remember that now which I why I always make an effort to leave feedback for others, though I too admit that I don't do it daily, usually once a week or every other week.

[unwinddesign]

I didn't realise that you could sign up for a service that automatically sends demands for feedback ... and I find the concept even more offensive than if he were just sending the messages himslef. I

No dude, I don't think there's a service that does that. The service automatically leaves feedback after you receive it.

Oh yes there is. I have it set to on. It's not a demand, just a reminder. Not when I'm the buyer, but for when I'm the seller.

Once you get to a certain point, feedback becomes a virtual dick measuring contest anyway, so it's a bit pointless. I was going to turn it off, but kept forgetting. Ah well.

It comes as part of the $16 subscription to Selling Manager Pro.

[ozyr]

Actually, no, I haven't gotten those emails. I feedback within a few days of selling an item and as soon as I get an item. That way, I avoid pissing off those who like feedback sooner than later.
Myself, I hate those sellers that wait for weeks to feedback. Reason I don't like it, is because I bought the darn thing, they could at least take a moment (and that is all it takes) to leave feedback. Those sellers that take forever - I don't buy from again!

IMHO - if you wait too long - you are the one pissing me off.

Put yourself's in the other guys shoes for a moment and think about it - instead of griping about it.

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[Raspberry Heaven]

I think this guy needs to stop complaining about not receiving feedback for buying from others. I've sold stuff to about 15 people (I'm not a big seller, I just sell some junk now and then), but received feedback from only two, and I'm not complaining.

Actually, I am kind of pissed that 90% of the people I sell to don't give me feedback, but I think feedback is one of those things you shouldn't force out of people, so I don't harrass them about it. Who knows, they might even leave me negative feedback for bothering them too much.

[Steven]

To be honest, I don't give a crap that he has my address. He lives in Spain, what's he going to do - come over and knock on the door?

Vroomfunkel

you never can be too safe -- he could get sickly twisted over this and have contacts in the US who are out for sick thrills.

I always rather be safe than potentially sorry.

Anyway, after his 1st email I would have taken 1 minute out to leave him + FB

[evil_genius]

it takes 2 seconds

[PapaStu]

I've on occasion sent those mails to sellers i've bought from. I leave prompt feedback right after I get my item and hope that the seller will do the same for me (since so few post feedback before the buyer does anymore). I've been on ebay for 7+ years, but have just 130 feedback (all from purchases), so feedback is still a nice thing for me to get.

My messages however arn't the 'Hey bastard! Leave me feedback or die!' kinda messages. I let them know that I got the item, thank them for putting it up and tell them I dropped them some feedback. I within 24 hours tend to get the feedback in response from that seller (mind you, I send this email nearing a month post transaction). I still do get some sellers that don't drop feedback (usually the sellers that have hundreds or thousands of feedback) at all.

I've left 149 feedback and recieved 142 for a total of 130 @ 100% in my time on ebay (which doesn't count my early days where I didn't even realise feedbacks existance and probably missed leaving about 5 feedback (and missed reciveing it as well it would seem)).

[jajaja]

What is the main problem here? Blaming it on a hectic week isnt right. I dont doubt you had a hectic week, but you did have time to check the mail and be in front of the computer, ergo you did have time to give feedback if you wanted. So it doesnt seem like "no time" is the issue here.

Asking for feedback 2 weeks after the payment was done seems fair to me. Some people care more about feedback than others, why not just be polite and give him feedback? Or if its that big of a problem, why not just tell him that you will leave it in the end of the month (or when you usualy leave feedback).

In the same amount of time you used to write these posts complaining about this you could have given him feedback 20 times. Im not trying to be rude here, i just try to make you see that this isnt a problem at all. This issue could be resolved in 2 very simple way, either give him feedback or be polite and send him a mail telling him when you will do it. I avoid small problems (not sure if i would even call it problems) like this because its not worth wasting energy on them.

[sirhansirhan]

I get a lot of these emails, and I generally leave feedback right away (I leave it before the buyer if I am the seller, even). However, what a lot of people are forgetting is that not leaving feedback at all is the new neutral; I won't leave feedback for people who were annoying in some way, but weren't bad enough buyers/sellers to warrant a negative or neutral (like people who make out money orders to the wrong name, or need to be reminded to pay three times, or whatever). Therefore, people who send emails begging for feedback should be shot.

[ryborg]

Wow. Here's a new one that I just got today: The guilt-trip email. I never knew feedback was a life-or-death situation. Either way, I left him his positive (it had only been about 4-5 days, and keep in mind he has 100% positive feedback with a high number), mostly because I didn't want to read another sob story like this, true or not.


Justin: As you know I have e-mailed many times asking for you to post positive feedback for me as I have done for you!, seems like I have nothing else to do? your right! I am dying of ALS and I have given up my job because I am too weak to work!, I wear Zubaz because I do not have the strength to button up my jeans!, so I play on the puter with e-bay!, as you can see from my 100% positive rating I am a honest buyer and seller and I hope everyone is honest with me also!, I would someday like to have a score like you if I live that long!, but it is hard when people ignore this little important part of buying and selling!, SO! can you do a dying guy a favour and complete this transaction by posting positive for me?, I wish I was joking about my disease but I am 100% serious, I appreciate your attention to this matter!, Paul (PALS) that's our lingo! (Person w/ALS ) my e-bay user name is (******), just click your feedback tab and you will find our transaction, many thanks and best regards.
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[jajaja]

lol thats some story @_@ I wonder how he have the strength to sell/buy and sit infront of the computer (this does require energy) if hes too weak to button his own pants. The story doesnt quite match there..

[ryborg]

The story doesnt quite match there..

I'm fairly certain he's joking or trying way too hard to get a positive. All of his emails and even the feedback he left me were cornball psuedo-comedy. I don't see the difference between a feedback number of around 591 and 592 when it's all 100%. Thankfully, I'm done with him, since the item I sold him was the last in that genre of items I had up on ebay.
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[Insaneclown]

No one demands me to give them anything. I'll only give feedback if I want to.

[skaar]

I prefer to let them know that being a prick doesn't always get them what they want. To be honest, I don't give a crap that he has my address. He lives in Spain, what's he going to do - come over and knock on the door?

Vroomfunkel

Well... there is a service that will do THAT for him ;)

[Kitsune Sniper]

Heh, I just left seventeen feedback ratings. A few had asked me to do so, but I'd forgotten until I read this thread. All positives, thankfully.

I'm just lazy, I guess.

[Vroomfunkel]

What is the main problem here? Blaming it on a hectic week isnt right. I dont doubt you had a hectic week, but you did have time to check the mail and be in front of the computer, ergo you did have time to give feedback if you wanted. So it doesnt seem like "no time" is the issue here.

Asking for feedback 2 weeks after the payment was done seems fair to me. Some people care more about feedback than others, why not just be polite and give him feedback? Or if its that big of a problem, why not just tell him that you will leave it in the end of the month (or when you usualy leave feedback).

In the same amount of time you used to write these posts complaining about this you could have given him feedback 20 times. Im not trying to be rude here, i just try to make you see that this isnt a problem at all. This issue could be resolved in 2 very simple way, either give him feedback or be polite and send him a mail telling him when you will do it. I avoid small problems (not sure if i would even call it problems) like this because its not worth wasting energy on them.

Your questions have fairly simple answers:

Yes, I have time to check my email and post here - because the week is over, and now I have the time. What I don't appreciate is coming to go through a stack of email, after a time like this, and finding three emails from the same person saying "FEEDBACK ME!!!!!" or equivalent. One polite email I would have no problem with - the demands and the constant pestering, I do.

As far as I am concerned getting feedback on eBay should be treated like getting a kiss on a date - to be offered, not demanded. If you feel prompting is necessary, a polite query may be appropriate, but to demand it is just rude.

Anyway, the guy emailed me and apologised and said he would consider this in future, which is all that I really wanted - I may even email back to say sorry if I over-reacted but it was a tough week and his emails were unhelpful at the time.

To those who go on about leaving a feedback only taking a moment .. I would hazard a guess you don't sell nearly as much as I do. It's not just about leaving one person's feedback, it's about the time involved in processing a huge load of payments, packaging, postage, transportation and feedbacking. If you did every bit of it individually, you wouldn't have a life left ...

Finally, like I said, I do have an innate antipathy towards anyone who seems to think that they can get what they want just by being bullying, rudeness, obnoxiousness, manipulation or deception. Had I got the 'guilt-trip' email I probably would have had much the same reaction to that too. Ultimately I think everyone is better if those people learn sometime that this isn't the best way to get what they want.

Vroomfunkel

[jajaja]

Ok, then the situation is alittle diffrent. I thought you first checked the mail, read what he wrote and ignored it. Thats why i didnt understand why you didnt leave feedback then.

[cheapgamer]

Anyway, a while ago I sold a game to this guy in Spain and in the last week or two he has emailed me three or four times, asking - and then demanding that I leave him feedback.

1 - Ebay tells buyers to ask for feedbck. They're following ebay's suggestions so get mad at ebay.

2- my response is more polite

"I leave feedback at 60 days to protect myself from scam artists using stolen cards/fake checks or just being idiots. Please wait until then"

[ryborg]

1 - Ebay tells buyers to ask for feedbck. They're following ebay's suggestions so get mad at ebay.

Where does ebay say this?
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[tornadostormxl]

I get email like that all the time. It not a problem. Take a few minutes. In that time you wrote him a email you could have left him feedback.

[cheapgamer]

Image Capture of Message Ebay sent when I first signed up

http://www.geocities.com/videonovels/ebayaskforfeedback.png

[MachineGex]

I believe feedback is part of the transaction and it is an obligation to leave it in a timely manner. Without feedback, I wouldn't know what ebayers to avoid. I rely on the someones feedback heavily when deciding to deal with them or not. That is why I leave it within a week or so and wish more people would have the nerve to left negatives when called for. Too many people fear retaliation or they both withdraw the NEGs.

[Vroomfunkel]

I believe feedback is part of the transaction and it is an obligation to leave it in a timely manner. Without feedback, I wouldn't know what ebayers to avoid. I rely on the someones feedback heavily when deciding to deal with them or not. That is why I leave it within a week or so and wish more people would have the nerve to left negatives when called for. Too many people fear retaliation or they both withdraw the NEGs.

Believe what you like, but I'm afraid you don't really have anything to back you up on that. Since it is against eBay regulations to sell / exchange feedback for money, it can't be a required part of the process. For your money, you get the goods you bought. Period.

As for the part where eBay says to ask sellers to leave feedback - that is nothing to do with the kind of behaviour that I am talking about here. I have no problem with anyone who includes a note with their payment saying something along the lines of "please leave me feedback". I don't see anywhere on eBay where it says "feel free to email people repeatedly and demand feedback from them".

I do take feedback seriously - which is part of the reason I feel ill-disposed towards people who try to manipulate it out of me. I refuse to be intimidated over feedback, good or bad - my only negative feedback is from non-paying bidders, so I could quite easily have avoided that by taking the easy route and not negging them.

But each to their own .. if you think feedback within a week is included in the purchase, you are entitled to think that. You're just going to be disappointed on a fairly regular basis, that's all. I have left about 1900 feedbacks , but have only received about 1600 - and from what I hear, most people have received a lower ratio than that ...

Vroomfunkel

[ryborg]

Image Capture of Message Ebay sent when I first signed up

I was more looking for an actual ebay policy page, not some junk mail ebay sends new users, but this might explain where it's coming from.


I believe feedback is part of the transaction and it is an obligation to leave it in a timely manner. Without feedback, I wouldn't know what ebayers to avoid.

I agree with Vroom 100%. We all DO leave feedback. What's the difference between leaving it immediately or leaving it in bulk in a week? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. 99% of these people demanding feedback are losers who sit around and bid on garbage all day. I love checking their bidding history to see for myself.


That is why I leave it within a week or so and wish more people would have the nerve to left negatives when called for. Too many people fear retaliation or they both withdraw the NEGs.

I don't think that's true at all in most cases. Hell, if anything, there are too many unnecessary negs being left both ways. I personally have no problem leaving negs for bad buyers or sellers. Retaliation? Who cares? My feedback is high enough where if I get a retaliatory neg, it doesn't even drop me down a tenth of a percentage point, then it gets buried down off my main page in a day or so.
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[ozyr]

You know, I was going to leave this topic alone, but...

In the time it has taken folks here to post so many darn replies, you could have sent feedback to dozens of buyers or sellers. Stop you damn whining and just do it.

Stop :sob: 'ing around! So someone bugs you for feedback. What the heck is the big deal. At this point, it seems that you are doing just what the buyer is doing -complaining over and over again... only your doing it here on a forum. Seems like the same damn thing to me.

Oh heck, why am I wasting my time with this topic. Either feedback the guy or put his email in your spam filter. Deal with it and move on.

And as always - this is my opinion on the stuff seen here. Take it as an insult if you want - I'm just saying it as I see it... which is sad....

P.S. WHat I think this boils down to is just common courtesy, or a lack thereof!!!!! When I sell/buy, I leave feedback within a week tops. I do it as soon as someone buys something, because there side of the bargain is done - they paid for it. I don't hold back in case they may '-' feedback me. WHen I buy something, feedback is left within days. I do this because I respect those I am selling to or buying from. That is how 'I' do business on ebay.

[ryborg]

End of Line (means my one and only comment on this topic)

You don't say.


words words words waaahhh you guys are lazy jerks waaahhh words words words

Interesting.


When I sell/buy, I leave feedback within a week tops. I do it as soon as someone buys something... That is how 'I' do business on ebay.

I don't know you, and frankly, I don't think you sell nearly as much as I do or other members in this thread. Please re-read Vroom's accurate take on the situation:

"I would hazard a guess you don't sell nearly as much as I do. It's not just about leaving one person's feedback, it's about the time involved in processing a huge load of payments, packaging, postage, transportation and feedbacking. If you did every bit of it individually, you wouldn't have a life left ..."

This applies only to selling, of course, as I leave positive feedback for items purchased once they arrive and are verified as working.


In the time it has taken folks here to post so many darn replies, you could have sent feedback to dozens of buyers or sellers. Stop you damn whining and just do it.

We ARE leaving feedback! What's the difference between receiving a feedback on June 20th or June 30th? Absolutely nothing. Nowhere here has anyone said that they don't leave feedback at all.
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[cheapgamer]

I fear a lot of the buyers asking for Immediate feedback are using stolen cards; they are trying to avoid that deserved negative when their paypal payment bounces.

[ryborg]

I fear a lot of the buyers asking for Immediate feedback are using stolen cards; they are trying to avoid that deserved negative when their paypal payment bounces.

If someone is using a stolen card against you, the least of your concerns should be feedback. It's almost impossible to win one of those stolen CC disputes on Paypal. Money gone, item gone.

That said, in 8 years of selling, this has only happened to me ONCE in tens of thousands of transactions. I've seen it happen to some of my friends, though, but it is still VERY unlikely.

Most people who demand feedback like that just have too much time on their hands.
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[cheapgamer]

I fear a lot of the buyers asking for Immediate feedback are using stolen cards; they are trying to avoid that deserved negative when their paypal payment bounces.If someone is using a stolen card against you, the least of your concerns should be feedback. It's almost impossible to win one of those stolen CC disputes on Paypal. Money gone, item gone.
Yeah I know but even so that's why I have my 60 day policy. If the buyer starts demanding feedback (repeatedly) it sends up a red flag; are they trying to scam me? If they used a stolen card they deserve to get a Red mark on their feedback; to warn other sellers; so I wait.

BTW I leave negatives immediately.
Somone scams me I "reward" that the same day. LOL

[MachineGex]

I believe feedback is part of the transaction and it is an obligation to leave it in a timely manner. Without feedback, I wouldn't know what ebayers to avoid. I rely on the someones feedback heavily when deciding to deal with them or not. That is why I leave it within a week or so and wish more people would have the nerve to left negatives when called for. Too many people fear retaliation or they both withdraw the NEGs.

Believe what you like, but I'm afraid you don't really have anything to back you up on that. Since it is against eBay regulations to sell / exchange feedback for money, it can't be a required part of the process. For your money, you get the goods you bought. Period.

As for the part where eBay says to ask sellers to leave feedback - that is nothing to do with the kind of behaviour that I am talking about here. I have no problem with anyone who includes a note with their payment saying something along the lines of "please leave me feedback". I don't see anywhere on eBay where it says "feel free to email people repeatedly and demand feedback from them".

I do take feedback seriously - which is part of the reason I feel ill-disposed towards people who try to manipulate it out of me. I refuse to be intimidated over feedback, good or bad - my only negative feedback is from non-paying bidders, so I could quite easily have avoided that by taking the easy route and not negging them.

But each to their own .. if you think feedback within a week is included in the purchase, you are entitled to think that. You're just going to be disappointed on a fairly regular basis, that's all. I have left about 1900 feedbacks , but have only received about 1600 - and from what I hear, most people have received a lower ratio than that ...

Vroomfunkel

Not sure what I said to get that reply but I think you misread what I wrote. I was talking about how I view stuff. Saying I have nothing to back it up is silly. I was talking about what I consider to be reasonable. I could care less if it takes longer than a week, I was just stating I thought a week was plenty of time to complete the feedback/transaction. Plus, some people really get anal about it, so leaving it in a timely manner is polite in my eyes. I never stated you had to do it or even agree.

It seems you value feedback and believe people should leave it, you just don't like people asking you to do so. You need to realize, some people forget to leave it and waiting weeks or longer may make people think you are one of them. Plus, why make a buyer/customer wait if you don't have to?

What do you think is more rude...not leaving feedback after someone asks or having to ask for feedback to be left?

Also, on a side note, I see a lot of people withdrawing feedback. That is one reason it has lost some meaning to me and I think people are chicken shit. It clearly states to take care of problems before you leave feedback. If you have to have a huge ordeal to get satisfaction or complete a deal, the NEG. should probably stay.

[ozyr]

words words words waaahhh you guys are lazy jerks waaahhh words words words

Interesting.



YOu know, I hate folks that put false quotes up on a forum - I never used the word 'lazy'! You did, which I think must mean you feel that way.

I expressed my opinion. If you don't like it, at least be civil about it. otherwise, GET BENT!

[Steven]

Also, on a side note, I see a lot of people withdrawing feedback. That is one reason it has lost some meaning to me and I think people are chicken shit. It clearly states to take care of problems before you leave feedback. If you have to have a huge ordeal to get satisfaction or complete a deal, the NEG. should probably stay.

This is one of the reasons (IMO) GameTZ went to hell in a handbasket. Too many people were afraid to tell the truth on feedback as you can leave excellent, good, fair or unacceptable IIRC. Most ppl willingly gave out excellent's when it wasn't deserved. So when I dealt with these people I found out their excellent's were really fair's.

People think "I'll never deal with this person again... who cares if I leave him all excellent's and fool the future dealers this guy will have -- so long as he doesn't leave me less-than-excellent, all y'all can kiss my ass" is the mentality of GameTZ traders.

I've left "fair's" when I thought it was deserved. And they retaliated, even though I was all excellents on my end, they lied. Whatever