NES games issue with EBay buyer

[Parpunk]

AHHHH MAN I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MAD I HAVE TO USE CAPS. I JUST STARTED MY OWJ EBAY ACCOUNT AND THINGS WERE GOING GREAT. I WAS SO HAPPY TO GET MY OWN ACCOUNT NOW AND I LOVE HAVING 100 PERCENT FEEDBACK. AND THIS HAPPENS TO ME!!! HIT THIS LINK! THIS BUYER DIDNT EVEN CONTACT ME ONCE ABOUT ANYTHING BEING WRONG AT ALL.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=113mdc&iid=8291743031&ssPageName=VIP:feedback:2:us

NES GAMES FREAKIN GLITCH!!!!! YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THEM F IN IDIOT! AHHHH I WOPULD HAVE REFUNDED THE KIDS MONEY AND REPLACED BOTH GAMES FOR HIM IF HE CONTACTED ME. DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THIS. IS THERE A WAY THE KID COULD RETRACT HIS NEGATIVE??? ANY WAY POSSIBLE??? CAN SOMEONE LET ME IN ON ANY SECRETS. ALL IM SO UPSET ABOUT THIS!

[odyeiop]

lol, kids complaining about games he payed 1.25 + shipping for. Maybe he'll trip leaving the house and break his teeth.

Also.. as a seller, I would say NEVER leave feedback first (if you did). Just a thought.

[Parpunk]

AHHH MAN IM SO FURIOUS YOU HAVE NO IDEA. IS THERE ANYWAY SOMEONE CAN REMOVE A NEGATIVE? IM WILLING TO SEND THE KID IS MONEY BACK AND EVERYTHING AND LET HIM KEEP THE GAMES IF HE REMOVES IT. IS THAT POSSIBLE?

[suppafly]

DOnt do it...fuck him

Tell him you got more games, make him buy them from you and then leave HIM a neg

[thefireflowermario]

Calm down, calm down, whose been stealing your thoughts? LOL

[carlcarlson]

welcome to ebay. unfortunately you'll have idiots like him. to complain about games he got for so cheap is ridiculous. you can get him to retract the negative though. it will still appear in your account but it won't count against your rating. this is what I would do. tell him you'll refund his money and send him a replacement game as well as an extra game once he removes the feedback. if he does, great, he's an idiot. i know that's really crappy and shady, but he deserves it. bad thing is he's probably dumb and lazy enough that he won't even want to bother with it, and he'll just ignore you. it's worth a shot though. i've had this exact thing happen to me a couple times, and i understand how infuriating it can be.

[Synergy]

http://www.alldruginfo.com/p/prozac/prozac.gif

LOL Couldn't resist.

But seriously, that's a pretty lame reason to leave a negative so fast. I doubt he tried to clean them, or clean his console. It's sad to see eBay deteriorate day after day with idiots like this (not you, the person who left you a negative).

[aaronpetrosky]

Geez, calm down man. It's not the end of the world. There are far more important things in life rather then 1 negative.

[cyberfluxor]

I'd be strangling that little prick if he did something like that to me. I've had my account for a bit over 2yrs, done a bit over 30 transactions (a few to get cheap college books) and 100% feedback. I make sure I communicate to sellers and buyers all the way and make sure not to leave feedback until I've either:
A) Gotten paid and shipped
B) Received my items

There is a follow-up feedback option for these cases so you can respond to their feedback and leave a negative note for the transaction about them not properly handling the merchandise or being ignorant with feedback.

Worst to worst though, contact eBay and let them know of your situation and that as listed:
"Games have been tested and work great!"
Be sure next time to slip in:
"No warranties, dead on arrivial, or liability after shipment"
Although it doesn't 100% protect you, it does inform the customer that you don't have any grounds or way to cover an order gone bad after it's out of your hands and shipped.


Good luck though!
>>Also this may be better in the Everything eBay forum

[Parpunk]

yea i know but at this moment im pretty mad about it. i mean i was really trying to start a new ebay name with NO negatives. and believe it or not i was leaving on vacation right after this game left. And the kid begged me to send his game before i left so he could get it and play and not have to wait for me to get back. Well he was paying with a money order and it was only $6.00 so i went ahead and sent the games before i got his money. Just so he could play them and not have to wait for my vacation. How may sellers would do that! Anyways i got back and his payment was here and then this happens!? Man i was so nice to this seller and they screwed me over like this. Besides i only have 8 feedback and a negative really looks bad now. especially when i plan on selling some stuff here in the future that will be bringing over $100.00 a piece :-( ugh this sucks

[StakeRaiser]

Hell, you can always just start up a new Ebay account, it wasn't like you had a ton of feedback

Notice how the only feedback he left for others is a negative?? He doesn't care about his own feedback or others, just a whiny little runt who can't be bothered to learn how NES games work

Just start you another account, hell, some people have 5 accounts. The big sellers almost always have a buying and selling acount

[Darren870]

there is a way to mutally withdraw a neg. However I wouldn't worry about it. All the big shots around here that use ebay have negs. Most of them actually appear in there first few months they were on. Thats when all mine were and im at 588 score now.

[nik]

lol, kids complaining about games he payed 1.25 + shipping for. Maybe he'll trip leaving the house and break his teeth.

Also.. as a seller, I would say NEVER leave feedback first (if you did). Just a thought.

As a buyer, I'd be far less interested in buying from you.

Holding feedback as ransom is just bad manners. It's unfortunate he got a really dumb buyer. I myself would contact any seller before I left bad feedback to see if he/she wanted to resolve anything.

[videogameoverdose]

I feel for you.

Most intelligent bidders look at who left the neg. feedback....your buyer only has 12 (noob), and the feedback was REALLY vague.

The buyer didn't state anything about your fine packing job, the accurate description of the product, your prompt delivery, your great communication or your over all fantastic customer service!

When I see simple neg. feedback, I KNOW that the buyer was a shithead, and didn't give the seller a chance to make it right.

Neg feedback usually state something like these, "didn't answer emails, ignored my request, promised my money back, never sent item, bad packaging, sent wrong item, etc...you know, we've all read them.

You need to post a follow up responce to his feedback, state the facts and be professional. The world will see it and they'll be the judge.

You all ready know this, but, the people who don't buy from you for lack of researching the neg. are the buyers you don't want!

Shit, the last neg I gave and got was to a french seller (no longer registered) of Radiant Silvergun.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8273774870&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D8273774870%26fvi %3D1

I used the 'Buy It Now' option within 2 hours of the start the listing, they required immediate Paypal payment, which I did.
Three days later, I get an email saying they had all ready sold it at their store. :angry:
I was pissed because I got a decent price on it, but more so, they tied up my money for over a week.

I knew I was going to get a neg. but they pissed me off, with "We've all ready sold it"
Come on, 2 hours after listing it? requireing immediate Paypal payment.
[/rant]

We all have our non-deserved negs from people we hope to never deal with again.

un-just scars from the battle of ebay!

BTW, Block the buyer from bidding on any future auctions

[odyeiop]

As a buyer, I'd be far less interested in buying from you.

Holding feedback as ransom is just bad manners. It's unfortunate he got a really dumb buyer. I myself would contact any seller before I left bad feedback to see if he/she wanted to resolve anything.
While it may be bad manners, there are to many assholes on eBay. Friends and myself have been screwed way to many times because people think it's funny, and there's almost nothing you can do. While I do agree it's not something that is good to do, and I wouldn't do it to someone who was easy to deal with, there are cases where it's best. Especially in a scenario like this.

I'd hold off on leaving feedback until I found out they got it, that way I'd know how they handled a situation like this. If they were to just leave a negative without even trying to contact me, then that's just bad manners. If however, they contacted me about it, I could understand maybe a neutral.

It's another reason I prefer dealing in person though. I'd rather have someone come over, see a game working on my console, then walking away with it. At least that way any problems can be sorted out instantaneously.

[DeputyMoniker]

I did clean the game! I used WD-40 and a wire brush so I know it's clean. You deserved the negative feedback and I don't know where you're getting your prices from but a buck twenty five is a lot for an NES game. Most of them sell for a few cents including shipping so stfu.




JK...it wasn't me. I just wanted to see if your head would 'splode.

[ig88vsbobafett]

As a seller on ebay i hold feedback till it is left for me. as i give the buyer every opportunity to make the sale right. i have never had a problem because i list my stuff exzackly how i see it. and i stand behind the stuff i sell. if the buyer wants to just leave a neg feedback with out emailing me then he will get one in return

[ALAKA]

calm down. your still 9 for 10. LOL the kid was a prick so don't sweat it. I wouldn't even bother writing the kid back to take back the negative as he's prolly the type who gets his rocks offf on this type of thing. Just respond tot the feedback and write "this kids a tard, only leaves neg. feedback" the only thing bad about it is because you got a low number of feedback the neg impacts you % more. just get 40 more pos. and that 90% avg. turns to 98%. good as gold again. :D

[anagrama]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33272

[gepeto]

If it is any consolation. When I\most people first join we tend to get caught up in the feedback scene. Then most realize that no matter how good you are as a seller there is some uninformed immature jerk bound give you a neg.

I was neg early in my ebay career he was a complete loser.
There is no need to try to explain 1 neg to most people because your feedback will stand on it's own.The good thing now is that you can post a reply.

When you post he a good thought out one not bashing the seller. if I was a buyer and read his feedback post I would have thought he has issues not the seller.

[GrandAmChandler]

Three things wrong with this original post.

1. It's in the wrong forum.
2. The all CAPS hurt me.
3. The title was very bad. (changed.)

-Moved.

-GAC-

[cheapgamer]

as a seller, I would say NEVER leave feedback first (if you did). Just a thought.As a buyer, I'd be far less interested in buying from you.

Holding feedback as ransom is just bad manners. It's unfortunate he got a really dumb buyer.

That's why we withhold; to protect ourselves from dummasses.

[nik]

as a seller, I would say NEVER leave feedback first (if you did). Just a thought.As a buyer, I'd be far less interested in buying from you.

Holding feedback as ransom is just bad manners. It's unfortunate he got a really dumb buyer.

That's why we withhold; to protect ourselves from dummasses.



As a buyer, I'd be far less interested in buying from you.

Holding feedback as ransom is just bad manners. It's unfortunate he got a really dumb buyer. I myself would contact any seller before I left bad feedback to see if he/she wanted to resolve anything.
While it may be bad manners, there are to many assholes on eBay. Friends and myself have been screwed way to many times because people think it's funny, and there's almost nothing you can do. While I do agree it's not something that is good to do, and I wouldn't do it to someone who was easy to deal with, there are cases where it's best. Especially in a scenario like this.

I'd hold off on leaving feedback until I found out they got it, that way I'd know how they handled a situation like this. If they were to just leave a negative without even trying to contact me, then that's just bad manners. If however, they contacted me about it, I could understand maybe a neutral.

It's another reason I prefer dealing in person though. I'd rather have someone come over, see a game working on my console, then walking away with it. At least that way any problems can be sorted out instantaneously.


As a seller on ebay i hold feedback till it is left for me. as i give the buyer every opportunity to make the sale right. i have never had a problem because i list my stuff exzackly how i see it. and i stand behind the stuff i sell. if the buyer wants to just leave a neg feedback with out emailing me then he will get one in return

This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks.

I post good feedback when it's due, you can reply to bad feedback "was not contacted to resolve this, I'm sorry you felt you had to leave a negitive".

Life happens, get a helmet. You are not your post count or eBay score, get a grip on yourself, it's just a negitive.

It's the risk you take when selling to a mass market, HOWEVER, the system is as such, what the seller is buying, is a CONTRACT.

He gives you money, he has done his end of the deal, he deserves good feedback. Bottomline, holding back feedback ensures I won't buy again from the same seller, and is poor buisness practice. Send an email when you have sent the item, stating "Your item is on its way! Please let me know when you get it, and let me know if you have ANY problems with it, thanks again!".

If you don't like it, don't play in an adult world, its the cost of being a mature seller with a firm grip on their responsibilities.

[Darth Sensei]

I used to think just like Nik, that a seller should leave feedback immediately upon receiving payment.

Then I started selling and changed my tune.

[nik]

I used to think just like Nik, that a seller should leave feedback immediately upon receiving payment.

Then I started selling and changed my tune.

Like I said, system broken, I don't know, I have 41 employee's, and need to speak to customers on a longer basis then most, maybe thats the experience that's talking, maybe its diffrent online, but I doubt it.

Lots of sellers give me feedback right away, and yes, those have a few negitives. However, one of them, has a feedback of 158,473 diffrent buyer feedbacks.

In 12 months shes had 289,727 transactions, 289,386 positives. 341 were negitive. Lets do some math.

That is 0.12% of her feedback. Wow. What a risk taker.

In all buisness you lose some. If you are good, and responsible, and do your best, you win most.

[ryborg]

This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks.

Condescending horseshit.


Send an email when you have sent the item, stating "Your item is on its way! Please let me know when you get it, and let me know if you have ANY problems with it, thanks again!".


If you don't like it, don't play in an adult world, its the cost of being a mature seller with a firm grip on their responsibilities.

You must be one ebay pro to say stuff like this. With such an extreme holier-than-thou attitude, you simply have to be a gold Power Seller with over 100k completed transactions.

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:32 am

Alright ladies and gents, I am stumbling into the world of eBay, help me out!
Seller: weetruck (35)

Isn't it wonderful when someone with absolutely no experience selling on ebay gives egomaniacal advice and calls others out? Do you also post on the NASA message board, to give astronauts tips on living in space? Yes, we are all very impressed with your 41 "employee's" and your fine grasp on a mature world, but please try to keep your patronizing ebay selling comments to yourself until, you know, you've actually sold an item.

Cue says it best:


I used to think just like Nik, that a seller should leave feedback immediately upon receiving payment.

Then I started selling and changed my tune.
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[jonjandran]

This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks.

I post good feedback when it's due, you can reply to bad feedback "was not contacted to resolve this, I'm sorry you felt you had to leave a negitive".

Life happens, get a helmet. You are not your post count or eBay score, get a grip on yourself, it's just a negitive.

It's the risk you take when selling to a mass market, HOWEVER, the system is as such, what the seller is buying, is a CONTRACT.

He gives you money, he has done his end of the deal, he deserves good feedback. Bottomline, holding back feedback ensures I won't buy again from the same seller, and is poor buisness practice. Send an email when you have sent the item, stating "Your item is on its way! Please let me know when you get it, and let me know if you have ANY problems with it, thanks again!".

If you don't like it, don't play in an adult world, its the cost of being a mature seller with a firm grip on their responsibilities.

Well sorry but you're wrong. The deal is not over until the buyer is fully satisfied with his purchase. How does a seller determine this ? When he gets positive feedback. Then the seller knows he has completed his sale.

If a seller leaves positive automatically he can be used by the buyer even if nothing is wrong with the transaction. So leaving feedback first as a seller is asking for trouble. There are just to many people who will threaten you with a negative if you've already left a positive.

Now don't get me wrong. Saying that you will leave negative if you receive a negative IS wrong. If you deserve a negative you should get one and leave appropriate feedback ( a positive if the buyer deserves it) But a sale is not over until the customer is satisfied or just can't be satisfied.

[nik]

This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks.

Condescending horseshit.


Send an email when you have sent the item, stating "Your item is on its way! Please let me know when you get it, and let me know if you have ANY problems with it, thanks again!".


If you don't like it, don't play in an adult world, its the cost of being a mature seller with a firm grip on their responsibilities.

You must be one ebay pro to say stuff like this. With such an extreme holier-than-thou attitude, you simply have to be a gold Power Seller with over 100k completed transactions.

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:32 am

Alright ladies and gents, I am stumbling into the world of eBay, help me out!
Seller: weetruck (35)

Isn't it wonderful when someone with absolutely no experience selling on ebay gives egomaniacal advice and calls others out? Do you also post on the NASA message board, to give astronauts tips on living in space? Yes, we are all very impressed with your 41 "employee's" and your fine grasp on a mature world, but please try to keep your patronizing ebay selling comments to yourself until, you know, you've actually sold an item.

Cue says it best:

I used to think just like Nik, that a seller should leave feedback immediately upon receiving payment.

Then I started selling and changed my tune.

You should read before posting, I never said I was an expert, I guess I only have more experience in business then you, and even though you said I have not sold anything, I backed up my claims by using another sell as an example. I guess we will see how my choice rolls out, I also noticed you avoided my post about that seller who HAS well over 100,000 transactions that proved my point, and that cancelled out your intelligent well thought out post.

Funny how that happens.




This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks.

I post good feedback when it's due, you can reply to bad feedback "was not contacted to resolve this, I'm sorry you felt you had to leave a negitive".

Life happens, get a helmet. You are not your post count or eBay score, get a grip on yourself, it's just a negitive.

It's the risk you take when selling to a mass market, HOWEVER, the system is as such, what the seller is buying, is a CONTRACT.

He gives you money, he has done his end of the deal, he deserves good feedback. Bottomline, holding back feedback ensures I won't buy again from the same seller, and is poor buisness practice. Send an email when you have sent the item, stating "Your item is on its way! Please let me know when you get it, and let me know if you have ANY problems with it, thanks again!".

If you don't like it, don't play in an adult world, its the cost of being a mature seller with a firm grip on their responsibilities.

Well sorry but you're wrong. The deal is not over until the buyer is fully satisfied with his purchase. How does a seller determine this ? When he gets positive feedback. Then the seller knows he has completed his sale.

If a seller leaves positive automatically he can be used by the buyer even if nothing is wrong with the transaction. So leaving feedback first as a seller is asking for trouble. There are just to many people who will threaten you with a negative if you've already left a positive.

Now don't get me wrong. Saying that you will leave negative if you receive a negative IS wrong. If you deserve a negative you should get one and leave appropriate feedback ( a positive if the buyer deserves it) But a sale is not over until the customer is satisfied or just can't be satisfied.

You are right about customer satisfaction, but holding feedback ransom still translates into a broken system.

Holding it ransom it just a crutch, a minor bandaid. I never said you guys are horrible people if you do this, I just think its wrong, not really a big deal.

Trust me, I've had my fair fill of poor customers, people who sue over nothing, people DO take advantage of the system, I am not saying they will be 100% honest, I wouldn't trust customers with my garbage let alone feedback, but its the risk I take when I venture into any business.

Bottom line, its your choice on how you deal with it, and through bad experiences this is how you've chosen to deal with it, but from my research I see nothing wrong with my point of view either.

Either way, I think we can agree the system IS broken.

[cheapgamer]

That's why we withhold; to protect ourselves from dummasses.
This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks. I post good feedback when it's due, you can reply to bad feedback "was not contacted to resolve this, I'm sorry you felt you had to leave a negitive".
Three flaws:

- Buyers demand perfection (99% or higher). Even just 2 un-deserved/idiotic negatives on a Seller account can drag a person down below that threshold; so we sellers can't afford to have un-deserved negatives ruining us.

- A Green for a Buyer followed by "Oh this should have been red" is worthless once it scrolls off page 1. Nobody will see it. They'll just see a buyer with 100% positives when he deserves much lower.

- The buyer's "part" of the transaction is not finished when he pays. I've had numerous POAs happen after payment:

--- received game; it was damaged [so why didn't you contact me? I'd replace it if you just asked you dumbass]
--- the foam peanuts were not all white- there were pinks and blues mixed in [?!?!?]
--- it took 2 weeks to deliver [yeah because you paid for the cheapest option--why didn't you pick priority?]

There are many many things a buyer can do to AFTER the payment to make him a Red-deserving trade partner.



This is when I switched from YOUR policy (leave immediately) to my policy (wait 60 days). I used to leave immediately but now I wait to protect myself from idiots; we Sellers HAVE to protect our scores & keep them above 99%

[cheapgamer]

This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks. Condescending horseshit. You must be one ebay pro to say stuff like this. With such an extreme holier-than-thou attitude, you simply have to be a gold Power Seller with over 100k completed transactions.

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:32 am
Alright ladies and gents, I am stumbling into the world of eBay, help me out! Seller: weetruck (35)

Isn't it wonderful when someone with absolutely no experience selling on ebay gives egomaniacal advice and calls others out? Do you also post on the NASA message board, to give astronauts tips on living in space? Thank you for revealing this person's lack of ebay experience. I have blocked nik / weetruck (35) from bidding and ruining my auctions.

It's always the know-nothings who try to pretend to know it all. CLUE - The business world and the ebay world are two different animals. My 10 years experience with retailing is virtually worthless for Ebay; completely different rules.

[Darth Sensei]

As a buyer I have serious reservations about buying from sellers with less than 95% positive feedback. I think most buyers do.

If you think about it Nik, that's only 1 negative out of 20. AS a seller, I need to reduce the chance that I'll have a noob leave undeserved negative feedback as well as those who want to try to blackmail me for a few bucks as well.

I simply won't take that chance.

[jonjandran]

You are right about customer satisfaction, but holding feedback ransom still translates into a broken system.

Holding it ransom it just a crutch, a minor bandaid. I never said you guys are horrible people if you do this, I just think its wrong, not really a big deal.

Trust me, I've had my fair fill of poor customers, people who sue over nothing, people DO take advantage of the system, I am not saying they will be 100% honest, I wouldn't trust customers with my garbage let alone feedback, but its the risk I take when I venture into any business.

Bottom line, its your choice on how you deal with it, and through bad experiences this is how you've chosen to deal with it, but from my research I see nothing wrong with my point of view either.

Either way, I think we can agree the system IS broken.

Yes I agree the system is broken. But until it's fixed there is no better way to protect ourselves as sellers.

And remember this isn't just about feedback. The same buyers who will leave an negative for no reason will also do chargebacks with Paypal. So it's about protecting your income also.

And no I don't see anything wrong with your point of view. But I bet it changes after dealing with a few idiots. ;)

[nik]

This is why the system is broken. Sellers like you folks. Condescending horseshit. You must be one ebay pro to say stuff like this. With such an extreme holier-than-thou attitude, you simply have to be a gold Power Seller with over 100k completed transactions.

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:32 am
Alright ladies and gents, I am stumbling into the world of eBay, help me out! Seller: weetruck (35)

Isn't it wonderful when someone with absolutely no experience selling on ebay gives egomaniacal advice and calls others out? Do you also post on the NASA message board, to give astronauts tips on living in space? Thank you for revealing this person's lack of ebay experience. I have blocked nik / weetruck (35) from bidding and ruining my auctions.

It's always the know-nothings who try to pretend to know it all. CLUE - The business world and the ebay world are two different animals. My 10 years experience with retailing is virtually worthless for Ebay; completely different rules.

I won't buy from you. Not because of the policy about feedback you have, but you are childish. Learn how to debate and not attack, I have had countless sellers hold my feedback ransom, it has no effect on me because I am a good buyer, I mearly think the system is wrong, great job at blocking a 100% feedback buyer.


Once again I'd like to point out this is only my point of view, it is not a direct attack on you guys, I think the system is broken, not a very big deal, not like it stops me from buying from anyone, it's only a mere annoyance, also I'd like to point out this point of view comes from my reasearch, much like going to school before going to the job itself, correct?

I can see you have alot of life lessons to learn, I have not ONCE insulted anyone, only put into question the common practice of holding feedback ransom. I have NEVER left bad feedback, and ALWAYS try to work my diffrences out with the seller, always ends up good, so don't tell me I'm a "know it all" when I never said one word about thinking "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY", your post is a little childish on your part.





You are right about customer satisfaction, but holding feedback ransom still translates into a broken system.

Holding it ransom it just a crutch, a minor bandaid. I never said you guys are horrible people if you do this, I just think its wrong, not really a big deal.

Trust me, I've had my fair fill of poor customers, people who sue over nothing, people DO take advantage of the system, I am not saying they will be 100% honest, I wouldn't trust customers with my garbage let alone feedback, but its the risk I take when I venture into any business.

Bottom line, its your choice on how you deal with it, and through bad experiences this is how you've chosen to deal with it, but from my research I see nothing wrong with my point of view either.

Either way, I think we can agree the system IS broken.

Yes I agree the system is broken. But until it's fixed there is no better way to protect ourselves as sellers.

And remember this isn't just about feedback. The same buyers who will leave an negative for no reason will also do chargebacks with Paypal. So it's about protecting your income also.

And no I don't see anything wrong with your point of view. But I bet it changes after dealing with a few idiots. ;)

Yeah, it might, but I'd like to have faith in the system you know? I still have faith in people, in real life it's pulled through, but... online is totally diffrent, I'm sure there is a BIG reason why you have all chose to go the ransom route, and I will probably follow suit eventually!

Glad to see some intelligent people posting.. I'm not trying to start a flame war, and it's a shame a few members don't seem to understand the diffrence between debate and "ATTACK", if they did, then maybe their opinions would be valued, but like you said jonjandran, I guess I have to deal with some idiots online hey? 8-)

as for the feedback and buying with people less then 100% thats true as well, but for the seller I brought up, thats pretty impressive considering only 0.12% was negatives!

[Mayhem]

I won't buy from you.

Well you can't now he's blocked you :P

Seriously though nik, having read through the thread now, you've made some good points but gone about it all the wrong way.

I've been on eBay more than 7 years now, and in that time I've seen how things work. Personally I only leave feedback for a seller when I'm happy with the item and have tested it, and as a seller, I never leave feedback until I'm certain the buyer is happy with the item he has gotten. That's just me.

As stated, a transaction is NEVER over until both parties agree that it is over.

[nik]

I won't buy from you.

Well you can't now he's blocked you :P

Seriously though nik, having read through the thread now, you've made some good points but gone about it all the wrong way.

I've been on eBay more than 7 years now, and in that time I've seen how things work. Personally I only leave feedback for a seller when I'm happy with the item and have tested it, and as a seller, I never leave feedback until I'm certain the buyer is happy with the item he has gotten. That's just me.

As stated, a transaction is NEVER over until both parties agree that it is over.

When you put it that way, it sounds nicer, and from the looks of things, thats just the way it's done around here, it's certainly sounds like you have the experience since you voiced the policy in such a way.

In the beginning, I just wanted to test the waters, but I'm no fool, I'll just have to take the polls and look at it that way and make it as positive as an experience as I can for the customer that buys from me.

[DeputyMoniker]

EDIT.

[Darth Sensei]

Nik, the point is that feedback is much more critical to sellers than buyers. A buyer can have 80% feedback and still successfully do business on Ebay, the same cannot be said for sellers.

Trust me, if you because a regular seller, you'd likely change your tune just as I did.

[nik]

Nik, the point is that feedback is much more critical to sellers than buyers. A buyer can have 80% feedback and still successfully do business on Ebay, the same cannot be said for sellers.

Trust me, if you because a regular seller, you'd likely change your tune just as I did.

I already knew that, that is true in the real business world as well, as for my tune... it has changed, Mayhem put it in words that if said previously, I would of agreed to.

[Parpunk]

DeputyMoniker are you seriousely the person who bid on my item?????? if you are whats the matter with you?

[nik]

DeputyMoniker are you seriousely the person who bid on my item?????? if you are whats the matter with you?

He's not.

He has a tiny sentence at the bottom of his post, he was just trying to get you going.

[Parpunk]

oh ok i didnt catch that lol. good one lol.

[DeputyMoniker]

What's the matter with you?

Well said, my friend. LOL

[nik]

What's the matter with you?

Well said, my friend. LOL

I think that applies to all of us ;)

[Mr.Faxanadu]

When selling NES games I always show a screen shot of the game working and then state that the game is sold as is. If the buyer cannot get the game working on his/her system it is most likely due to a dirty system. I've never had any problems so far :)

Oh and I always clean the cart contacts with isopropanol and a Q-tip.

[nik]

When selling NES games I always show a screen shot of the game working and then state that the game is sold as is. If the buyer cannot get the game working on his/her system it is most likely due to a dirty system. I've never had any problems so far :)

Oh and I always clean the cart contacts with isopropanol and a Q-tip.

Same here, except the sold as is, I should add that in, thanks for the tip! (or... Q-tip, haha, I'm a funny man..)