Worst Nintendo Console

[smokehouse]

I tried and tried to love he N64. I deliberately held off getting the Playstation despite all the good reviews of the time and bought one on launch day along side Mario 64. I tried to love it….I forced myself to play Mario 64 for a week straight…..and I despised it.

To me Mario 64 (as well as the N64) was an experiment, a start. Where the SNES was refined 2D gaming at it’s best (Mario World, Zelda LttP), the N64 and SM64 (Zelda OoT) was a beginning of the 3D era. It showed in how rough the games were and still are today. Mario World is still good, it was proven again when it was successfully released on the GBA…..how about the re-release of Mario 64 on the DS………Hmmmmmmm…didn’t go over so well.

As for the N64’s audio capabilities, it was ok for the SNES to sound the way it did, it was far better than the Genesis and TG16. The N64 had to be compared to it’s competition, the Saturn and PS1. My first game for the PS1 was Wipeout XL…now that’s in game music. Something the N64 could NEVER do. When I say lame music, that’s what I’m talking about.

Finally, when I say the the N64 was fuzzy due to the anti-alaising I mean it. These shots were taken with the SAME VIDEO CORD over S-video and on the same capture card:

Paper Mario comparison (N64 top, GC bottom)
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[dreamcaster]

My first game for the PS1 was Wipeout XL…now that’s in game music. Something the N64 could NEVER do. When I say lame music, that’s what I’m talking about.
Wipeout 64 featured a selection of music from the PlayStation versions (Propellorheads had a track or two if I remember correctly).

Sure, the soundtrack wasn't as big, but it was there and the graphics and frame rate sure improved (not to mention a four player mode that the PSX couldn't even attempt).

[POrkcOw]

no such thing as a bad nintendo console and i think it is rather unfair to compare them because they were made at different times...

[AlphaNerd01]

"Jeez, look at the NES compared to the SNES. The NES must of sucked!" Agree or disagree smokehouse? Jeez, you posted that comparison of Paper Marios like you thought it was a valid point or something. @_@

Another thing, what the heck is up with everyone being like "the audio on the N64 sucks!" Duh, hello, NES? The NES sound blew, even for 1985! The C64 had better music than the NES! (C64, not N64, just incase you're speed reading)

Lack of good games? LACK OF GOOD GAMES? Am I in a retro gamers forum or a friggin issue of teen beat? Seriously, the N64 had GREAT must-own titles that have been listed too many times on this thread. :eek 2:

Pikman is NOT a must-own game. A lot of people don't like it, not saying I don't, but still. Same with AC - Animal Crossing is not a must-own game. Both those titles are what averages call odd, and don't usually like too much.

How can you not like Mario 64? And people loved the port of it to the DS... I don't remember who said that, but jeez are you ever wrong. People LOVED Mario 64.. it was an instant classic! It sold more than the Mario World port did, mind you. Seriously. :/

The GameCube is great, but it's no N64. The N64 was an awesome system with two dozen must-own games. On the other hand, the GameCube in my humble opinion isn't top shelf system (like the rest of the Nintendo consoles) until you get the GameBoy Player and a 1019 memory card.

Both systems have limited libraries, but the N64 had more 3rd party support. AND a lot of the great GC games are just N64 games rehashed. Mario Golf? Mario Tennis? Smash Bros.? Yeah. All were hits on the N64 first.

Controller wasn't that bad, and neither was the sound. I think the N64's lack of RPGs is excusable, seeing as how there were so many other good games. Cube, good attempt, but a little short.

[Ed Oscuro]

Great comparison there, smokehouse. Personally I don't think that's a reason to hate the N64, but information is always nice!

[smokehouse]

AlphaNerd01

Welcome to the forum nOOb. Way to make friends by casting stones. The NES had the start of some of the best franchises EVER made in the gaming world…..perhaps you’ve forgotten…I’ll help you remember:

Super Mario Bros
Zelda
Final Fantasy
Mega Man
Castlevania
Dragon Warrior
Metal Gear
TMNT
Contra
Metroid
Ninja Gaiden
Double Dragon

I’ll stop there but I have a shelf of around 100 more great titles that I could list individually.

Somehow you strike me as a mouthy know-it-all 21 year old………..am I correct?

Let me say this again-

The N64 had few good big name titles!. Putting aside the Mario games (64, Golf, Party, Tennis, etc), Starfox, F-Zero and other first party Nintendo titles what else is there? What else has stood the test of time? Perfect Dark and Golden Eye aside……those are repeated answers.

When addressing the sound issue you have to compare the competition of the time. The NES was competing with the Atari 7800 and the Sega Master System…..I couldn't give a shit about the C64, it wasn't competing with the NES. Like I said before, the N64 was competing with the Saturn and the PS1 and in the sound department it got its ass handed to it.

How can I not like Mario 64? Simple, It sucks. Going into the same world over and over again to collect stars if repetitive. Sure, little things change but for the most part its just not fun. I don’t enjoy fighting the camera either. Like I said above, I tried to like the game. Yes, no shit, I owned it and the week it came out. When it was new and in it’s prime and I still despised it.

As for the N64 controller, it is a pile of shit….period. The SNES controller was far more comfortable as is the Game Cube’s for that matter. The analog stick is flimsy and when compared to the Playstation dual shock (a direct competitor of the time), it feels like a piece of junk. I also hate cramming my hands together in a 2.5" area. If Niintendo would have been smart they would have switched the analog stock and the statdard 4-way's positions.

Lastly, these are my opinions, if you don’t like them simply skip over my posts. I’m not insulting your mother or family, I simply dislike a gaming console. Like I’ve said again and again, this is coming from the mouth of a huge Nintendo fan. I love Nintendo but the N64 is a monumental failure that came at a terrible time for Nintendo. The N64 is the reason whey Sony is currently on top. Nintendo dropped the ball and Sony picked it up. If the N64 was a good as it should have been it would have been another story altogether.

[c0ldb33r]

My first game for the PS1 was Wipeout XL…now that’s in game music. Something the N64 could NEVER do. When I say lame music, that’s what I’m talking about.
Wipeout 64 featured a selection of music from the PlayStation versions (Propellorheads had a track or two if I remember correctly).

Sure, the soundtrack wasn't as big, but it was there and the graphics and frame rate sure improved (not to mention a four player mode that the PSX couldn't even attempt).

The soundtrack for the n64 wipeout is pretty crappy. Especially when you compare it to the psx version - at which point its ridiculous - its the land of the 15 second loop :(

[AlphaNerd01]

Perhaps you should read my other posts.. if a library is what makes a game console great, than the NES is great. But it's hardware is awful, even for 1985. I've said that a number of times now. The NES had great titles, everyone knows that. That's why no one dare mention its not so great controller and its terrible sound.

Oh, and it was competing with the C64, in 1985-early '90s, a lot of NES titles were popping up on the C64. Example? Bubble Bobble. A lot of my friends first played it on the C64. Surprise? Not really.

I just plain disagree with you when you say Mario 64 sucks. I think, as do many other people, that is an instant classic. Compare it with SM Sunshine, and its the Bible of classics. Just how look at it is all.

:embarrassed: Forgive me if I came off condescending, but this started out as people trying to pick the least favorite of their four grandkids, and now everyone is trashing the N64 like is was some colossal failure. It wasn't. Jet Force Gemini is a title you didn't mention. That was an awesome game.

In that generation, I'd rather game on my N64 so I didn't have to sit through crazy load times. Also, the graphics then looked fine to me. Sure, looking at them now people think "YEESH"... but c'mon, I think the same thing when I look at the PSone. Also, I don't think the soundtrack to a wipeout game is going to cause me to call a system a failure. I just plain didn't care.

Its because we all think we've taken 10 giant steps foward, but in reality we've only taken a few baby steps. Imagine what an improvement it was getting an NES after having a 2600 for a couple of years. Now that's a few dozen giant steps. Just a thought.

[aaronpetrosky]

Smokehouse is right and I agree with him 100%. The 64 was terrible there was SO much hype for it. And it failed to deliver. I actually owned the 64 twice. I bought it again last year to give it another chance because I thought maybe I was too hard on it. It was terrible, yet again.....

The visuals are so crappy. I usually call it Muddy 64 or N64. It'd be like someone putting over a cover on the tv while you're playing. Even with S-video it was hard to see what was going on at the time. The controller felt like it should be used to control one of those tonka trucks. The analog sticks broke at the drop of a hat and the back part for memory cards and rumble packs gave the controller too much width.


The thing is, I can't comprehend how the fans no....... the worshippers of the 64 could even have the balls to criticize the NES. Because of the NES because so successful along with the SNES everyone expected the 64 to deliver the same quality of games. You have the NES and SNES to thank because if they failed the 64 wouldn't exist. Yet these people say it sucks?


The same games get brought out all the time, Goldeneye, Zelda Oot, Mario 64, Wave Race, Blast Corps. Then these people say that the NES fans say the same games for the NES are good over and over, well I'll put a game that no 64 game could ever come close to: Bionic Commando.


I think it's funny too that most of the 64 fans are youngens and just because when they were 10 or 11 hey stayed at their friends Jimmy's house and played n64 till 1am (oh my) that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Jibbajaba]

I think it's funny too that most of the 64 fans are youngens and just because when they were 10 or 11 hey stayed at their friends Jimmy's house and played n64 till 1am (oh my) that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Well that's the thing. It would seem that most of these N64 "worshippers" are around 16 years old. That means that they were between the ages of 5-11 or so when the N64 was an active system, and for them, it was probably the system that they had at that time.

Yes, the NES is an awesome system, not just because of its great games, but also because of the second video game boom that it started. But let's face it; a lot of us love it because of the nostalgia factor. For me personally, the NES was my first system, and it will always hold a special place for me because of that. I would imagine that these kids like Xizer and AlphaNerd feel the same way about the N64. So let's not go dumping on them without looking at things from their perspecive first.

Just my 2 cents,

Chris

[aaronpetrosky]

I get ya there. The funny thing is, some time down the line. They will be about our age and the kids that grew up with ps2,gamecube and xbox will be like "N64 sucks" and these guys will be in the same position as us.

[B - Mark]

Where is Virtual Boy?

In my opinion, the Virtual Boy is the worst Nintendo console.

Poor marketing and low Third Party support contribuites to unsucess for the system and fires Gumpei Yokoi, the creator of the system and Game & Watch, Game Boy and the games Metroid and Kid Icarus.

[Jibbajaba]

aaronpetrosky, I agree. I think you just can't appreciate a platform as much if you didn't live through it's heyday.

And B-mark, I don't believe that Gunpei Yokoi was ever fired by Nintendo. I know that the VB sort of put him in the doghouse with upper management, but AFAIK he continued to work in his position until his death. But if I am wrong then I would like to know.

Chris

[Doom Gaze]

I think it's funny too that most of the 64 fans are youngens and just because when they were 10 or 11 hey stayed at their friends Jimmy's house and played n64 till 1am (oh my) that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

As a 16 year old retro gamer who thinks N64 is by far the worst console in question here but also had it as his second system when he was 10, I'm going to ask for a little less stereotyping here. I had a Gamecube before I had an NES.. nostalgia is no excuse. It's simply a matter of quality.

N64 is sorely lacking on RPGs, on schmups, on adventure games. The good-to-bad games ratio is probably the worst ever on any mainstream console. Even the "best" games are mostly pretty overhyped, with Goldeneye and Zelda Ocarina being contenders for the most overhyped game of all time (but of course being trounced by those trashy GTA and Halo series.)

The N64 controller is a clunky piece of trash with three meaningless hinges when it needed two (and better button placement) and if you want rumble it's going to weigh ten pounds. The control stick is in a precarious position and the whole controller breaks like nothing. Every other Nintendo controller is very comfortable and intuitive, period. Say what you will about the Gaemcube controller being "2 diffrunt," it works well for everything but fighting games and I would say it works better for fighters than does the N64 controller.

[Pico956]

I think you just can't appreciate a platform as much if you didn't live through it's heyday.



I'd have to agree with this. Kids that are born during this next generation of systems (Wii, 360, PS3) won't be able to appreciate the NES or even Atari. They're views with me alot different of course because of the expectations of current gamers.

Honestly, I was an SNES kid. I did have an NES and the peripherals (glove, running pad, gun, headset, etc...) I can appreciate the oldies but goodies! Even now, it's good to go back on older systems for a dose of good game play and simplicity.

To be completely honest, I never had a N64, but for a good reason. I'm not over exaggerating when I say the blurry textures gave me watery eyes. I've never been able to play that darn system since I 1st got to! I was happy with my SNES until it finally disappeared (I can remember having it, loving it, then it vanishing. I don't remember selling it or giving it away.)

I also thought that CDs were the way to go during that gen. I couldn't believe Nintendo went with carts! Yeah yeah, no loading time, but that didn't matter to me. I was amazed at the PSone! Plus, I hated the fact that most (at least that I know of), N64 games had no cut scenes! That blew my mind. I saw the ending for mortal kombat on 64 and they looked like junk being run on the games engine instead of a nifty cool looking scene.

[AMG]

Wow, this thread really brings back a lot of memories. It reminds me of the endless debates that took place on Usenet circa 97-98.

The fans of the PSX vs the N64 fans, a battle that took place pretty much daily back then. All this N64 bashing stirs up clear pictures of those times online.

The N64 seems to be a console that most people either love or hate.

[AlphaNerd01]

People have completely lost touch with the topic. (note) No, N64 was not my first system, my first system was an NES (gasp!). I love all the Nintendo consoles, but there is NO WAY that the N64 is worse than the GameCube. If we're talking about comparing graphics system to system, well then GC looks terrible compared to XB. Jeez, I feel like that isn't really a valid point. (Probably because it's not..) So let's not compare N64 to PSone. It's not fair.

"If you're only interested in next generation, you're in the wrong place." If you don't know where that quote is from, I don't even know why you're participating.

If you can't admit that the NES has crappy hardware, well, I'm not going to argue facts. Read "The Ultimate History of Video Games." It's documented. But again, thats not the point.

Let's be fair for a second. First off, the N64 requires no memory cards. The GC has no DVD player when that was the only thing anyone talked about when PS2 and GC were being talked about. The GC controller is MUCH better than the N64 controller, that's a given. (But hey, look at the NES controller. Yeesh. That was my first system, and I admit to that controller sucking.) The GC has RPGs, the N64 doesn't. What the N64 DOES have in LoZ:OoT. So does the GC. But that's not fair either, N64 got to it first. (If that's the attitude you all have, why not just get a PSP 1.0 and download all the ROMs to it and toss everything else out?) So, honeslty, it comes down to personal preference. Arguing further really is pointless. They both aren't so hot! LOL

(The "hype" around N64 was around the 3D graphics. Nintendo could of passed out flyers on the street corner for a day or two and tons of hype would build up. But who wouldn't want to say "Hey, check this out, we added another "D". Now its "3D". Neat, huh?")

OH, and I hate, hate, HATE people who don't respect young gamers. They think that young people can't have good taste in games, or have fair judgement. Without kids, this industry would be nothing. My little cousin chose Super Metroid over Metroid Prime! @_@ Kids got the ball rolling on console gaming. They are a large part of the industry. We were all kids once. To be honest, the only system I really feel like I judge unfairly because I loved it so much as a kid is the Genesis. And I still to this day admit to its short comings during debates of this nature involving it. So I'm not sure I see eye to eye with the "youngens love N64" thing.

BEST Nintendo System: SNES
Next BEST Nintendo System: NES
Not so great Nintendo System: N64
WORST Nintendo System: NGC

That's just simply how I feel. For those who misinterpreted my posts as "NES sucks" or "I like N64 cause it was my first system" or "You can all just go to hell, I like N64" sorry you misunderstood what I said. But I honestly believe those things, no bias at all.

I have an idea though, lets talk about what was worse: The GBC or the NVB. Thoughts? :P

[zerohero]

People have completely lost touch with the topic. (note) No, N64 was not my first system, my first system was an NES (gasp!). I love all the Nintendo consoles, but there is NO WAY that the N64 is worse than the GameCube. If we're talking about comparing graphics system to system, well then GC looks terrible compared to XB. Jeez, I feel like that isn't really a valid point. (Probably because it's not..) So let's not compare N64 to PSone. It's not fair.

"If you're only interested in next generation, you're in the wrong place." If you don't know where that quote is from, I don't even know why you're participating.

If you can't admit that the NES has crappy hardware, well, I'm not going to argue facts. Read "The Ultimate History of Video Games." It's documented. But again, thats not the point.

Let's be fair for a second. First off, the N64 requires no memory cards. The GC has no DVD player when that was the only thing anyone talked about when PS2 and GC were being talked about. The GC controller is MUCH better than the N64 controller, that's a given. (But hey, look at the NES controller. Yeesh. That was my first system, and I admit to that controller sucking.) The GC has RPGs, the N64 doesn't. What the N64 DOES have in LoZ:OoT. So does the GC. But that's not fair either, N64 got to it first. (If that's the attitude you all have, why not just get a PSP 1.0 and download all the ROMs to it and toss everything else out?) So, honeslty, it comes down to personal preference. Arguing further really is pointless. They both aren't so hot! LOL

(The "hype" around N64 was around the 3D graphics. Nintendo could of passed out flyers on the street corner for a day or two and tons of hype would build up. But who wouldn't want to say "Hey, check this out, we added another "D". Now its "3D". Neat, huh?")

OH, and I hate, hate, HATE people who don't respect young gamers. They think that young people can't have good taste in games, or have fair judgement. Without kids, this industry would be nothing. My little cousin chose Super Metroid over Metroid Prime! @_@ Kids got the ball rolling on console gaming. They are a large part of the industry. We were all kids once. To be honest, the only system I really feel like I judge unfairly because I loved it so much as a kid is the Genesis. And I still to this day admit to its short comings during debates of this nature involving it. So I'm not sure I see eye to eye with the "youngens love N64" thing.

BEST Nintendo System: SNES
Next BEST Nintendo System: NES
Not so great Nintendo System: N64
WORST Nintendo System: NGC

That's just simply how I feel. For those who misinterpreted my posts as "NES sucks" or "I like N64 cause it was my first system" or "You can all just go to hell, I like N64" sorry you misunderstood what I said. But I honestly believe those things, no bias at all.

I have an idea though, lets talk about what was worse: The GBC or the NVB. Thoughts? :P

No one said anything about not respecing young gamers. We were all there once. Its just a little annoying when some 15 year old says the NES, and the SNES sucked compared to the 64. Besides that, I realy dont think anyone dislike young gamers. Like I said, we where all there once.

[aaronpetrosky]

Well I didn't want to sound too harsh. I mean there are some good games for the 64 it's just for me most of the other games I played I didn't like.

It also didn't help reading NP before the 64 was launched. So much hype for it...

[smokehouse]

Other than throwing around simple comments, let me explain myself a bit further:

The problem with the N64 was what Nintendo was at the time, compared to the rest of the industry they were the 800 pound gorilla. Back in 1994/95 Nintendo was in a constant battle for first with Sega. In my opinion the SNES was the best system out at the time in terms of overall quality and games (I might get a collective “Booooo” from the Sega guys on that one).

Anyway, any time you’re on top and are coming out with a sequel (be it a movie, album, game, console, etc) you are expected to do one better the next time. Following the amazing SNES, I had HUGE hopes for the N64 (as did all Nintendo fans). I had rented a PS1 a few times before the N64 launch and was impressed…..but, my loyalties always lied with the big N. I just thought “Man, if this is that cool just wait for the Ultra 64 to come out…..It’s gonna be the best console ever” Fast forward to Sept 1996 and I was there, first in line to get my N64. As a matter of fact a local K-Mart had broke street date and I got mine 3 days early.

I took it home….unpacked it (boy, this controller kinda sucks. oh well), popped in Mario 64 (one of only 2 games available) and…………………………………………………………………..(wait for it)……………………………………………….Was I greeted by some amazing intro? Some amazing FMV scene of Mario/Luigi? Some good music even? Something to symbolize that I was truly playing the next level of games.







No.






I was greeted by Mario’s face. Some stupid, gimmicky tech demo Nintendo had used earlier in the year. Lame………I pressed start and entered the game. Wow, this game is sparse…….the plain trees, the poorly detailed castle in the background……..and Mario, nothing else just Mario. I could run around, jump a bit, WOW…….a butt slam and the occasional “Woo-Hoo” from Mario. Where was the action, the evolution of gaming?

I enter the castle to find I have to jump into paintings. Ok, I do that. I play the first world and after fighting the camera more than I do the “one every half mile” enemies I finally get a star.

Well, that was fun…..let’s try another world……..

After going into worlds again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again to get stars to get the next set of worlds I get to fight Bowser………and later I fight him again, and again…and the end guy…..you guessed it, Bowser again.

This was my impression of the N64, THIS is why it went back and I got a Playstation. I also knew that Final Fantasy VII would be coming out for it in Summer of 1997 and at the time the N64 offered no such hope of any amazing titles in the enar future.

The N64 continued to pump out mediocre titles with the occasional good to very good title sprinkled in amongst the crap. The Playstation however would seem some MAJOR titles like FF VII, VIII, IX, Tactics, Chronicles, Anthology, Origins, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, 2 and 3, Mega Man 8, Castlevania SotN, Wipeout, XL, Parasite Eve, Silent Hill, Einhander, R-Type Delta……………….and the list goes on. These were titles that showed the evolution of gaming, there wasn’t ONE game as advanced or a s much of a complete package of sights, gameplay and sounds as FF VII to be found on the N64. Some game were good (Zelda, Paper Mario) but all were imited to a cart so the audio and FMV scene were always stunted.

Simply put Sony handed Nintendo their ass.

The Game Cube was too little too late. Nobody was looking to Nintendo to change the gaming world anymore, they were too busy playing their PS2 and thinking about purchasing the Xbox. This is why the N64 sticks out as such a monumental failure and the GC is nothing more than mediocre system with a few gems. THIS is why I voted for the N64 as the worst Nintendo console ever made (the Virtua Boy is not a console).

[AlphaNerd01]

Yeah, I know... what 15 year old said that SNES and NES suck compared to N64? ... It wasn't me.

A) I'm not 15. My first system was an NES. I learned how to type on a C64.

B) I'm arguing which is worse, N64 or NGC. I never mentioned either the NES or SNES sucking. I DID however mention the NES hardware sucking, which in my opinion, doesn't make or break a system. Sony fans apparently think differantly. However, the NES library is stunning, and most of the games still are playable to this day.

I just plain don't understand how someone can't like Mario 64. I guess thats like going up to a FF fan and saying "I got FFVII the day it came out.. wow, did that ever suck." The FF fan wouldn't know what to say. He just wouldn't understand. I guess color me a Super Mario fan, because I just don't understand. But seriously, FF VIII? That was a disapointment. I dunno how that made your list. Whatever.

I don't think discribing how you reacted to Mario 64 is really a good argument in your favor. Like I said, its just personal preference, and no one will agree on anything. It's pointless. I, among many other Nintendo fans, think that Mario 64 was an instant classic. I, among other Nintendo fans, think the N64 was a stand-up system that is definately worth owning without question. If you disagree, thats fine. Not everything is bread and butter in the Nintendo world. ... it is in the Sony world though. (PS GOOD! N64 BAD!)

... I'll never begin to understand Sony fans. The PSone was garbage. I don't care how many good RPGs it had (and yes, it had a lot).. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to crush that system, or set it on fire, or whatever. It would be like
LOADING>
waiting for
LOADING>>
a friggen
LOADING>>>
bus after you
LOADING>>>>
just watched the last one
LOADING>>>>>
leave. UGH!!!

How can anyone stand that? I agree with Nintendo, the DS has definately spoiled me with load times. Speaking of Portable systems, I guess no one is interested in discussing the terrible Nintendo portable systems?

[AlphaNerd01]

smokehouse, honest question, what did you think of FFX and FFX-2? I meant to put that in my previous post but just simply forgot. Also, what would you say is the BEST FF, not including VII? And the WORST? O_O

Everyone else feel free to chime in. :D

[j_factor]

I remember hearing a lot of N64 fans in day basically saying "omg loading ruins games" or something to that effect. Really, what games did you play that had that much loading? A game with long load times was by far the exception, not the rule. Maybe it's just that I had been playing CD games since the days of Turbografx, but I really don't see how load times are that big a deal.

Of course, the bottom line is that I'd much rather have a system load a good game than instantly bring up a bad one. :P

On a side note, I'd like to thank smokehouse for criticizing Mario 64. I hate feeling like I'm the only person that didn't like it. I felt at the time and still feel that Mario 64 is one of the most overhyped, overrated games of all time. It's sparse, repetitious, slow as molasses, and the camera is terrible. The terrible camera would be excusable if your movement wasn't camera-dependent. Sometimes I had to manouver that analog stick in figure-8's in ill-fated attempts to move in a reasonably straight line. I constantly fell of ledges, and approximately 90% of my deaths were due to being unable to get him to move where I wanted him. I fell off the edge of the level numerous times -- since when can I fall off in a platfomer? And what the hell is with this "revisit level 9 times to collect different stars" nonsense? I should be able to just complete a level and it's done, not be forced to collect some useless emblem just because the game says I need this many of them to get to the next level.

[smokehouse]

smokehouse, honest question, what did you think of FFX and FFX-2? I meant to put that in my previous post but just simply forgot. Also, what would you say is the BEST FF, not including VII? And the WORST? O_O

Everyone else feel free to chime in. :D

Not to totally break subject but I loved FFX, as a matter of fact I think it might be one of the best RPG titles ever made. FFX-2………..not so good. Square dropped the ball on that one. They took everything that made X good and changed it. I wish they would have come out with a sequel, not a redesign. The worst, VIII.

Back on topic...

I guess that the load times only bothered me on the first gen games. Most companies worth half a shit started to find better ways to use the loading sequence. Things like the “loading room” in Castlevania SotN make it really bearable. Games like MGS and some of the FF titles also were much better on the loading. Often there was a big load at the beginning and little ones during the game.

[smokehouse]

I felt at the time and still feel that Mario 64 is one of the most overhyped, overrated games of all time. It's sparse, repetitious, slow as molasses, and the camera is terrible. The terrible camera would be excusable if your movement wasn't camera-dependent. Sometimes I had to manouver that analog stick in figure-8's in ill-fated attempts to move in a reasonably straight line. I constantly fell of ledges, and approximately 90% of my deaths were due to being unable to get him to move where I wanted him. I fell off the edge of the level numerous times -- since when can I fall off in a platfomer? And what the hell is with this "revisit level 9 times to collect different stars" nonsense? I should be able to just complete a level and it's done, not be forced to collect some useless emblem just because the game says I need this many of them to get to the next level.

You described my experience to a “T”. This is why I also despise the game. These are MAJOR faults you have listed and why these things have gone overlooked by the masses is beyond me.

When you spend more time fighting the camera and terrain (damn floating/moving platforms!) than enemies, the game is unbalanced.

Like I said before. I see Mario 64 as an experiment. I shows, the game is FAR from polished. It’s a rough direction of where Miyamoto wanted to move the series. For that I give him respect but the game suffered. Look at how refined and balanced Super Mario 3 or Super Mario World was and tell me Mario 64 is that complete of a package.

[zerohero]

Yeah, I know... what 15 year old said that SNES and NES suck compared to N64? ... It wasn't me.

A) I'm not 15. My first system was an NES. I learned how to type on a C64.

B) I'm arguing which is worse, N64 or NGC. I never mentioned either the NES or SNES sucking. I DID however mention the NES hardware sucking, which in my opinion, doesn't make or break a system. Sony fans apparently think differantly. However, the NES library is stunning, and most of the games still are playable to this day.

I just plain don't understand how someone can't like Mario 64. I guess thats like going up to a FF fan and saying "I got FFVII the day it came out.. wow, did that ever suck." The FF fan wouldn't know what to say. He just wouldn't understand. I guess color me a Super Mario fan, because I just don't understand. But seriously, FF VIII? That was a disapointment. I dunno how that made your list. Whatever.

I don't think discribing how you reacted to Mario 64 is really a good argument in your favor. Like I said, its just personal preference, and no one will agree on anything. It's pointless. I, among many other Nintendo fans, think that Mario 64 was an instant classic. I, among other Nintendo fans, think the N64 was a stand-up system that is definitely worth owning without question. If you disagree, thats fine. Not everything is bread and butter in the Nintendo world. ... it is in the Sony world though. (PS GOOD! N64 BAD!)

... I'll never begin to understand Sony fans. The PSone was garbage. I don't care how many good RPGs it had (and yes, it had a lot).. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to crush that system, or set it on fire, or whatever. It would be like
LOADING>
waiting for
LOADING>>
a friggen
LOADING>>>
bus after you
LOADING>>>>
just watched the last one
LOADING>>>>>
leave. UGH!!!

How can anyone stand that? I agree with Nintendo, the DS has definitely spoiled me with load times. Speaking of Portable systems, I guess no one is interested in discussing the terrible Nintendo portable systems?

I think you missed a point about the games. Everyone agree's it has its gems' but its not enough. I've stated before there are only 10 games worth every wanting to own for the system. The rest are just 3rd class special items that vary from individual.

As far as the loading, the depends on the game, and the coding. Your lieing if your saying every game on PSX had very long load times. The good games on PSX usually had decent load times. And at least you could see the textures in the game instead of a blury mess of jamed textures LOL

[Xizer]

Edit: Meh, I'm leaving this topic. It's clear no one has anything intelligent to say anymore, so I have no further business here.

[Dangerboy]

The fact that Virtual Boy is not on that poll completely nulls and voids this entire thread.

[GrandAmChandler]

Certainly not more boring RPGs that they play in Japan because they can't handle anything fast-paced over there. Maybe it's the eyes.

Xizer, saying things like this makes you sound and look unintelligent and insults many. Xizer you are on thin ice. One more outburst like this and you are GONE. I suggest staying out of this thread.

Dangerboy: I agree, Virtual Boy isn't listed, hence why I didn't vote. ;)

[goemon]

Geez, is there some sort of law that states that every system rating thread has to become a Sony/Nintendo fanboy flame war? :roll:

I voted for the N64 because of the obvious lack of my two favorite genres - RPG's and manic shooters. However, looking back, I would change my vote to the Cube. It has a much more diverse library, but I think that the quality of the games took a nosedive. (I think that's true for all the current gen systems.) With some notable exceptions, there aren't as many original games on the Gamecube as there are on the N64 or previous systems. It seems like the majority of the "killer apps" are sequels, continuations or rehashes of games that had already been done on the N64. When playing the Gamecube I find myself getting bored with the games more often than I do when playing the N64.

[Jibbajaba]

Wow, I think we just saw Xizer finally go off the deep end.

Xizer, notice how you are the only one trying to turn this thread into some kind of Nintendo vs. Sony discussion? But then you are the first to label everyone else a "troll"?

Back on topic, even if the VB were on the list, I would still vote for the N64. At least with the VB, Nintendo took a risk and tried to bring something radically different to the market. As has already been stated, the N64 is a product of their then-massive ego.

Chris

[scooterb23]

VIrtual Boy gets a whole lot more play at my house than my N64 does, it wouldn't even rank 2nd on this poll if it were an option.

[googlefest1]

with all the n64 boosters here - im kind of surprised at the results

i voted n64 too

edit: just read though some of the comments - i guess i was wrong - there is some passion for the n64

[turbosage]

I disagree with the notion that the NES was crappy hardware for its time.. I own the NES and the competition (SegaMS and 7800)now. I think it holds up very well to the competition, and having nearly 1000 games in its library doesn't hurt either :)

I also disagree with the N64 fanboys:
The N64 was very unfortunate to have to battle the phenominal(SP?) Playstation. Most developers jumped ship from SNES to PSX when nintendo announced the cart format. Which was not good for the N64.

I voted N64, and Yes as mentioned above, I would EVEN vote N64 if the Virtual Boy was an option! The Virtual Boy had nothing to live up to as it was basically an experiment comparable to the 32X. The N64 was Nintendo's Next Console and had VERY LARGE shoes to fill... And failed miserably... I think the GameCube, while not anywhere near as good as the NES and SNES is at least a step in the right direction...

TurboSage

[turbosage]

Xizer, notice how you are the only one trying to turn this thread into some kind of Nintendo vs. Sony discussion? But then you are the first to label everyone else a "troll"?

LOL, yeah I guess I'm a troll. Now I dunno where Xixer got his info about the N64 games having around 300... maybe its worldwide? I dunno, i work at GameStop and we have 167 listed.. thats it! 167 US releases. While we got over 500 GameCube games listed. Sad thing is there were MORE Saturn US releases than that....:(


So if the GameCube had 4 times as many games as the N64, it would have 688 games, So I'm about 188 games off.... darn I'm such a troll..

LOL

TurboSage

[Push Upstairs]

The N64 was Nintendo's Next Console and had VERY LARGE shoes to fill... And failed miserably... I think the GameCube, while not anywhere near as good as the NES and SNES is at least a step in the right direction...

Quoted because it sums things up for me quite nicely.

[aaronpetrosky]

I really like the gamecube and especially the $99 price tag. I been pleased with mine since I had it.

I like the cube's controller as well. And best yet they only cost $20

[dreamcaster]

smokehouse, honest question, what did you think of FFX and FFX-2? I meant to put that in my previous post but just simply forgot. Also, what would you say is the BEST FF, not including VII? And the WORST? O_O

Everyone else feel free to chime in. :D
Most Favourite: FFVIII
Least Favourite: FFX
Honourable mention: FFX-2 (I had loads of fun with it)
Most overrated: FFVII
Most underrated: FFIX

In complete opposition to smokehouse it seems. LOL


yeah I guess I'm a troll. Now I dunno where Xixer got his info about the N64 games having around 300... maybe its worldwide? I dunno, i work at GameStop and we have 167 listed.. thats it! 167 US releases. While we got over 500 GameCube games listed. Sad thing is there were MORE Saturn US releases than that..
I have my PDF version of DP's N64 U.S. releases list, and it counts the N64 as having 297 individual releases.

[bangtango]

Having never played the Virtual Boy, I'd have to say the black-and-white Gameboy. Sure, the games were great and the library which was black-and-white only is probably better than the library of "Gameboy Color" titles. However, it was just so bad on the eyes.

[scorch56]

i aM NInTeDoFanBoyz1637200003728424005. YOU ARE WRONG! worse Nintendo???!!!! TheRE iS NO suCH ThiNG!!! Ny10doE roxxorz! :rocker: U ALL suxxorz!!!!
:fist:

.. well.. OK.. there was that N64 thing.

[Richter Belmount]

nintendo 64 though i found mischief makers on it of the highest quality on the system

[SeGaFiEnD]

I'll put it this way. I have 20 systems and the one with the most dust on it is my N64. I think I play my 3DO more. Did you ever try to play Paperboy 64. What the @#?!


Virtual Boy Rules!!! :D

[ambientflier]

You people need to stop bitching about the N64. The only reason for it is probably because you didn't have any friends, and thus, had no use for the four controller ports and all the excellent 4 player games it offered. :)

Stop saying its library was small. 400 games is a lot more than some other systems offered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64_games

And there was more than just 10 good games. In fact, here are 50 to start: http://www.gamestats.com/index/gpm/nintendo-64.html

If you didn't like the controller, guess what, you could buy an aftermarket one that was completely different.

SOME graphics were blurry, and SOME music was crappy, but not on the best games. Look at Resident Evil 2, or Perfect Dark, or Conker. Top notch visuals and surround sound. No other system could match Nintendo's top games. Hell, if N64 had only one game, Goldeneye, it would be all good.

Oh, and 40 million sold worldwide isn't what I would call a "failure".

[tom]

I like the heading of this thread: worst Nintendo System, and people put....the PS1 really sucked.

Hmmmm

[TurboGenesis]

Worst Nintendo System for me be the Nintendo 64. I don't dig the controller and I don't get down with Mario 64, and I HATE Goldeneye. Yes Hate is strong word. I am Goldeneyephobe. Goldeneye has no place in video games in the USA or the world. If I ever found out someone brought Goldeneye into my home, I have hammer near by and will smash into 6666 pieces.

[RadiantSvgun]

I didn't like the original Gameboy or the Virtual boy. The N64 I dislike because I gave up so many of my SNES rpgs to get it. And all I played for it was Goldeneye, the Zeldas, and like 3 other games.

[Wolf]

N64 Hands down!

Has to be one of the worst POS consoles ever, ok no that goes to Atari2600 and the NES but they are very close.

I remember buying the N64 on release here, not knowing about the PSX or just ignoring it at the time, I can't remember anymore, but I do know the reason I bought it was because after I had done my run with both the snes and genesis/sega cd, I figured oh great the N64 is here...we will get FF 4 and a new Castlevania and megaman etc, what a rude kick in the teeth that was.

I spent $70 CDN on cv 64 when it did finaly come out, a bit later I saw sotn on the toy's r us shelves and said, yea now this looks loads better than cv1-3 when I played them as a kid and did not look like some pos experimental 3d game from the early 90s, it just looked amazing ( and still does to me ), my drinking buddy at the time, his brother had just bought a psx and had rented RE2 and MGS...I decided to rent SOTN so I was right out the door the next day to pawn that horrible shit console to get a psx, I have never looked back and it is clear to me now why nintendo has failed since the death of snes...lack of quality and kickass third party jp games.

However I did love my cube, only for remake, 0, mgs ts and well...maybe rockman nt, otherwise it was pretty crappy too, nintendo really needs to get the same kind of library and ALL genres sony has if they ever want to get back to top place, sure the wii is a cheap gimmick right now but once people get over the nut smacking cheap thrills and craptastic looking games, when they see big name and sexy looking 360 and PS3 titles you can bet alot of kids will be pawning that off for better consoles.

Limiting yourself to kid genres or only having all ages typical nintendo titles with no rpgs and a 2% mature library is a great way to remain ins second or third place, they really need to get their head out of their ass.

But maybe its just payback for treating their customers and developers like shit in the 90s.

[ambientflier]

N64 Hands down!

Has to be one of the worst POS consoles ever, ok no that goes to Atari2600 and the NES but they are very close.

I remember buying the N64 on release here, not knowing about the PSX or just ignoring it at the time, I can't remember anymore, but I do know the reason I bought it was because after I had done my run with both the snes and genesis/sega cd, I figured oh great the N64 is here...we will get FF 4 and a new Castlevania and megaman etc, what a rude kick in the teeth that was.

I spent $70 CDN on cv 64 when it did finaly come out, a bit later I saw sotn on the toy's r us shelves and said, yea now this looks loads better than cv1-3 when I played them as a kid and did not look like some pos experimental 3d game from the early 90s, it just looked amazing ( and still does to me ), my drinking buddy at the time, his brother had just bought a psx and had rented RE2 and MGS...I decided to rent SOTN so I was right out the door the next day to pawn that horrible shit console to get a psx, I have never looked back and it is clear to me now why nintendo has failed since the death of snes...lack of quality and kickass third party jp games.

However I did love my cube, only for remake, 0, mgs ts and well...maybe rockman nt, otherwise it was pretty crappy too, nintendo really needs to get the same kind of library and ALL genres sony has if they ever want to get back to top place, sure the wii is a cheap gimmick right now but once people get over the nut smacking cheap thrills and craptastic looking games, when they see big name and sexy looking 360 and PS3 titles you can bet alot of kids will be pawning that off for better consoles.

Limiting yourself to kid genres or only having all ages typical nintendo titles with no rpgs and a 2% mature library is a great way to remain ins second or third place, they really need to get their head out of their ass.

But maybe its just payback for treating their customers and developers like shit in the 90s.



I didn't realize that selling 40 million N64's is "failing". Must be something new in the business world.

[NinjaJoey23]

I grudgingly went with N64. While I won't say it had no games worth playing, it was limited. Combined with the crappy joystick, it pales compared to the other consoles we had to chose from. I really do love my 64, though. I had the Pikachu Version, and I think it is my most interesting looking console.

I will say though that N64 helped me bring my fiancee into the world of video games. Ocarina of Time and Pokemon Snap are held responsible for her acceptance of video games as a legitmate form of entertainment.

[Wolf]

Well no from a profits pov the n64 made profit, never said it failed to make nintendo money, it just so happens ( let's forget about the VB thats a complete joke like SF1 ) that it was in that point of nintendos console life they had no hope in hell in competing with the psx, it is that point which sony virtualy took an iron grip on all the third party developers and series and other than possible 360 ports has remained with that iron grip.

The cube made profit also, not trying to say nintendo is close to bankruptcy or anything like that, just they really need the kind of genres, library and third party jp developers to get back to first place if they ever want that and lets face it every company wants to make the most cash they can right ?

We know that the chances of alot of the nice looking and big name titles being on the wii are slim to non existant, because of hardware limitations ( and who really wants a poor mans butchered port to begin with even if they can do it ? ) so this gen I see the 360 and PS3 being the top two, sure wii has a good foothold now and like I said the nutsmacking gimmick tv remote ( and craptastics d pad issue games like MSA ) and zelda etc will sell the console to fanboys and people who will wait till the bigger price drops in ps3, but after it wears off nintendo really is going to be in third place.

How many kids and adults do you really think are going to stay loyal to wii when ps3 and 360 will have much better looking and playable games, and for those lame graphic comebacks like it aint everything and blah blah, sure I agree but thats not how the joe public consumers think or buy, and lets face it the only time we get classic or 2d games on modern consoles is by importing them from japan or when capcom decides to release SFII for the 100th time.

[ambientflier]

Well no from a profits pov the n64 made profit, never said it failed to make nintendo money, it just so happens ( let's forget about the VB thats a complete joke like SF1 ) that it was in that point of nintendos console life they had no hope in hell in competing with the psx, it is that point which sony virtualy took an iron grip on all the third party developers and series and other than possible 360 ports has remained with that iron grip.

The cube made profit also, not trying to say nintendo is close to bankruptcy or anything like that, just they really need the kind of genres, library and third party jp developers to get back to first place if they ever want that and lets face it every company wants to make the most cash they can right ?

We know that the chances of alot of the nice looking and big name titles being on the wii are slim to non existant, because of hardware limitations ( and who really wants a poor mans butchered port to begin with even if they can do it ? ) so this gen I see the 360 and PS3 being the top two, sure wii has a good foothold now and like I said the nutsmacking gimmick tv remote ( and craptastics d pad issue games like MSA ) and zelda etc will sell the console to fanboys and people who will wait till the bigger price drops in ps3, but after it wears off nintendo really is going to be in third place.

How many kids and adults do you really think are going to stay loyal to wii when ps3 and 360 will have much better looking and playable games, and for those lame graphic comebacks like it aint everything and blah blah, sure I agree but thats not how the joe public consumers think or buy, and lets face it the only time we get classic or 2d games on modern consoles is by importing them from japan or when capcom decides to release SFII for the 100th time.


What kind of hardware limitations does the wii have?? It doesn't even matter because I hate it myself. Just the name itself is retarded. What the hell is wii even supposed to mean?

[64Bits]

What kind of hardware limitations does the wii have?? It doesn't even matter because I hate it myself. Just the name itself is retarded. What the hell is wii even supposed to mean?

Such intelligent input Mr. 6 posts....

Maybe if you would have done a little research, you would have found out what it means. But no, it seems you are too ignorant to bother with any of that....

[Nistle]

how can i vote when nintendo has never made a bad console?

[Lozza]

I thnk the N64 is the worst hands down. It's not an opinion it's more of a fact, I couldn't even play N64 without hurting my eyes or getting a headache because of the eye strain, The controller actually hurt my hand, my left knuckle used to get crushed in between the gaps of that dildo looking thing lol... But technical aspects and controller aside, Playstation had much better games and many more to choose from. (FFVII, MGS, Einhander, Resident Evil, Crash..... Need I go on?)

[ambientflier]

I thnk the N64 is the worst hands down. It's not an opinion it's more of a fact, I couldn't even play N64 without hurting my eyes or getting a headache because of the eye strain, The controller actually hurt my hand, my left knuckle used to get crushed in between the gaps of that dildo looking thing lol... But technical aspects and controller aside, Playstation had much better games and many more to choose from. (FFVII, MGS, Einhander, Resident Evil, Crash..... Need I go on?)


You must have been playing the wrong games then. Try mario 64, bad fur day, resident evil 2, wave race, perfect dark, nightmare creatures, smash brothers, goldeneye, and tell me if you see any blurriness in those games. In fact, I can tell you right now how much there is: 0. Nightmare creatures and resident evil were actually far better looking and much sharper than they were on the psx. And even if some games were blurry, is that worse than a billion square pixels, aliasing, and half the polygons and frames per second on the playstation?

[Lozza]

You must have been playing the wrong games then. Try mario 64, bad fur day, resident evil 2, wave race, perfect dark, nightmare creatures, smash brothers, goldeneye, and tell me if you see any blurriness in those games. In fact, I can tell you right now how much there is: 0. Nightmare creatures and resident evil were actually far better looking and much sharper than they were on the psx. And even if some games were blurry, is that worse than a billion square pixels, aliasing, and half the polygons and frames per second on the playstation?

No, I played lots of the good games on N64... Goldeneye being my personal favourite... but there were better games on PSX than N64, and although I agree about the pixels it's still easier to look at than the N64 IMO, and alot of the best games on PSX are 2D with 3D elements and they look great, even today. Compare Einhander or FFVII to nearly any N64 game. PSX kept it real in almost every aspect N64 didn't. Who can forget expansion paks, rumble paks etc? The only reason that RE2 came out on N64 is because of the demand for more adult games after Nintendo realized N64 wasn't selling to anyone but christian families or people who's idea of action is comical mallets and anvils. LOL

[ambientflier]

No, I played lots of the good games on N64... Goldeneye being my personal favourite... but there were better games on PSX than N64, and although I agree about the pixels it's still easier to look at than the N64 IMO, and alot of the best games on PSX are 2D with 3D elements and they look great, even today. Compare Einhander or FFVII to nearly any N64 game. PSX kept it real in almost every aspect N64 didn't. Who can forget expansion paks, rumble paks etc? The only reason that RE2 came out on N64 is because of the demand for more adult games after Nintendo realized N64 wasn't selling to anyone but christian families or people who's idea of action is comical mallets and anvils. LOL


Rumble pack was a gimmick? What was the dual shock then? Where did the multi-tap come from, the realization that they are losing out the 4-player market/games to N64? That's another thing that really annoyed me about the psx, the damn thing expected you to have only one extra friend, and if you wanted to play with more, then go ahead and spend more money on add-ons, and pray that the games support them. The psx was more of a single player system than anything, and ask anyone what their favorite multiplayer/party system was, and they will all say nintendo. For that single reason alone, I don't see how N64 could be the "worst" console. 4 people playing goldeneye, I think one of the first multiplayer games released, that was the pinnacle of fun and entertainment.

[Nistle]

how can you not like the 64? it introduced to us the control stick and the camera angle. it was simple amazing with tons of great games.

[DigitalSpace]

how can i vote when nintendo has never made a bad console?

I don't think Nintendo has ever made a bad console either, I just voted for the one I liked the least (my response is on the first page).

[Lozza]

Rumble pack was a gimmick? What was the dual shock then? Where did the multi-tap come from, the realization that they are losing out the 4-player market/games to N64? That's another thing that really annoyed me about the psx, the damn thing expected you to have only one extra friend, and if you wanted to play with more, then go ahead and spend more money on add-ons, and pray that the games support them. The psx was more of a single player system than anything, and ask anyone what their favorite multiplayer/party system was, and they will all say nintendo. For that single reason alone, I don't see how N64 could be the "worst" console. 4 people playing goldeneye, I think one of the first multiplayer games released, that was the pinnacle of fun and entertainment.

Back when the N64 was released I was glad I chose Playstation. I just didn't care for N64... The rumblepaks were a gimmick btw... just another accesory like the expansion pak. As far as the multi-tap, Megadrive/Genesis and other consoles require it aswell, the playstation design only had room for 2 ports & 2 memory card ports... Especially in the case of the PSOne.

I genreally support Nintendo over the other companies, and feel they are better, but I definately admit when Nintendo falls way short from the competition.

[Technosis]

Back when the N64 was released I was glad I chose Playstation. I just didn't care for N64... The rumblepaks were a gimmick btw... just another accesory like the expansion pak.

If they had properly chosen hardware in the first place they wouldn't have needed an expansion pak.

I think alot of the problems with the N64 came with Nintendo's insistance on remaining with the cartridge format.

IHMO it was the PSX that was responsible for making gaming more mature and edgy...this trend would have not have happened if the N64 was the only console availible. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think the N64 games have aged well at all. I voted N64 as the worst (easy choice 4 me)

[Wolf]

LOL RE2 on the n64 is a much worse port than the psx version, it has problems and is only a "technical feat" otherwise its pretty ass.

Lack of any kind of rpg support ( from a sale perspective not if you or others care about that genre ) on the n64 proves just how un-versatile that pile of shit was, here is a good idea! lets make a console with space limitations, market the games for people of all ages ( read people who are adults but still play games made for children ) and release like 1% mature games just to say we have like 1% mature games.

Yea, that will sell like hotcakes nintendo makes the best choices in the world!

[Fuyukaze]

I'm going with N64, but the devil in me wants to pick the Wii just so I can vent and spout on about how it's the best of the current generation yet so many of the hard core(are they realy that hard cored?) gaming comunity think it's the worst system to ever be released.

[rscaramelo]

The N64 is the worst but I'm also tempted to say the Wii.

I always refer to the N64 as a "tweener" system. The SNES is fantastic as is the GameCube IMO. Both systems have nice graphics for their generations where as the N64 is visually ugly. Everything is fuzzy, blocky and ugly. Plus the controller sucks.

RC

[Technosis]

<snip>.... on the n64 proves just how un-versatile that pile of shit was, here is a good idea! lets make a console with space limitations, market the games for people of all ages ( read people who are adults but still play games made for children )

After reading this I've decided I dislike the N64 even more LOL That is a damn good point about the "all ages" concept!

[Gillian Seed]

I can't believe so many people are hating on the N64, it was a bad system but some of the early games like Waverace and Mario64 were outstanding. And others like Goldeneye and Zelda became benchmarks. Yes, in later years the system did become a Pokemon console with almost exclusively childish games, but I still think that Mario 64 is better than any Mario offering on Gamecube and because of this, I vote for Gamecube. Runner up Virtual Boy.

[ambientflier]

If they had properly chosen hardware in the first place they wouldn't have needed an expansion pak.


That's a dumb thing to say. If they gave it 100 million megs of ram at the factory, wouldn't putting in an extra 4 still help? Why do people upgrade the memory in their pcs?

[ambientflier]

LOL RE2 on the n64 is a much worse port than the psx version, it has problems and is only a "technical feat" otherwise its pretty ass.


What were the problems of the resident evil on N64? Do you consider better graphics a problem?

[Wolf]

Only the graphics were a slight improvement over the psx at the COST of also being a little fuzzy looking, there was FMV slowdown, some clipping problems too.

The gamecube version is about the best solid version to date then pc/dc versions, same with last escape.

And gill how can you give it to the CUBE ? It actually tried to do something and clean up the n64 fiasco, we got ikaruga for it, we even got ffcc and a real rpg for once ( note zelda and adventure games with rpg elements are not rpgs, look at ps2 for real rpg examples ) we got re series, cvs2 eo but not alot of fighters because of the controller, ssbm, mgsts, mm nt...it was 100x better than the n64.

[ambientflier]

Only the graphics were a slight improvement over the psx at the COST of also being a little fuzzy looking, there was FMV slowdown, some clipping problems too.

The gamecube version is about the best solid version to date then pc/dc versions, same with last escape.

And gill how can you give it to the CUBE ? It actually tried to do something and clean up the n64 fiasco, we got ikaruga for it, we even got ffcc and a real rpg for once ( note zelda and adventure games with rpg elements are not rpgs, look at ps2 for real rpg examples ) we got re series, cvs2 eo but not alot of fighters because of the controller, ssbm, mgsts, mm nt...it was 100x better than the n64.


They weren't fuzzy in the least bit. The were much sharper than psx. Who cares about fmv? Why are you guys so obsessed with it? Am I watching tv or playing a game? And don't forget N64 introduced super smash brothers, and it was an excellent game. So was mortal kombat 4, the first 3d mk. Also excellent. All the gamecube did was re-release N64 titles.

[TurboGenesis]

And don't forget N64 introduced super smash brothers, and it was an excellent game. So was mortal kombat 4, the first 3d mk. Also excellent.

Mortal Kombat 4, excellent? LOL LOL ROFL ROFL LOL LOL

*going back to play Vitrua Fighter 5

[incubus421]

Everyone is forgetting to consider the greatest and best looking game for the N64....Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber
Now granted that doesn't make the N64 any bit better overall, but I'm still surprised it wasn't mentioned.
Quite honestly I am not going to vote though...I either like or have nothing to hold against any of the systems listed, infact I love all of them for their own individual reasons (besides the Wii which I have yet to play and judge). If Virtual Boy was up there though, that's where my vote would go.

Also, there is no reason to be comparing N64 to PSX here..I believe that belongs somewhere else. If you down vote the N64 because you loved the PSX over it back in that gen that's silly. We're comparing Nintendo consoles here...not Nintendo compared to Sony, Microsoft, Sega....Not to mention it's silly to compare them in the first place being as Nintendo has always been a multiplayer, "everyone" kind of system...where PS1 is compiled of RPGs, and more solo type gaming.

[Wolf]

They weren't fuzzy in the least bit. The were much sharper than psx. Who cares about fmv? Why are you guys so obsessed with it? Am I watching tv or playing a game? And don't forget N64 introduced super smash brothers, and it was an excellent game. So was mortal kombat 4, the first 3d mk. Also excellent. All the gamecube did was re-release N64 titles.

People from the RE community say otherwise, but whatever. There are other reasons why other versions are better, hell check out CVX freaks faqs for some more in depth reasons. If you don't care about having less or minor changes thats fine, some of us like THE best editions with the most stuff.

Yes SSB was a good game, there was a few decent games on n64 but that doesnt change the game library being complete poo.

Gamecube only re-released n64 titles ? Ok..

They gave out OOT and a never released OOT Master quest, the other collectors disc had MM and other non 64 zeldas. I was not aware that RE2 GC was the same as n64 RE2 *sarcasm*

What other cube titles were on n64 again ?

@Incubus thats total BS and you know it, but here is why:

Ever since Sega Genesis, Nintendo has had to face the prospect of other consoles having more mature or less "this is a xian family console for teh kids" game content, it just so happens that PSX took it a step farther by making alot more in your face or violent/horror/mature content games, while the n64 gave us a few just to say they could but that means fk all when sony just did what they want and let us play what we wanted.

PSX is hardly an rpg machine, you got it wrong, n64 is a kids machine with kids games and happens to lack an all genre library, sony markets to ALL ages in the most true sense, they make kid crap games too and they make mature games also, they dont limit it to one kind of genre, this is why they have DOMINATED since the snes died and will continue to, same as xbox.

Since nintendo IS in competition with other consoles it does matter a whole lot and psx is a great example as to why the n64 was a complete pile of feces, it's always the games that sell consoles, hardware specs are nice but means nothing when you have no good games or limit yourself to children or adults who want to play childrens games:p

On a side note, Nintendo makes awsome lasting hardware and sony should try to build there craptastic hardware like them they would be alot better, the only thing sony really has going for them is their developers and 100% all genres.

[ambientflier]

Gamecube only re-released n64 titles ? Ok..

They gave out OOT and a never released OOT Master quest, the other collectors disc had MM and other non 64 zeldas. I was not aware that RE2 GC was the same as n64 RE2 *sarcasm*

What other cube titles were on n64 again ?




Smash brothers (smash brothers melee), mario 64 (mario sunshine), f-zero x (f-zero gx), mario tennis (mario power tennis), mario golf (mario golf toadstool tour), bad fur day (conker live and reloaded), paper mario (paper mario thousand year door), mario party 1-3 (mario party 4-6), perfect dark (perfect dark zero), extreme g (XG3), mario kart (mario kart double dash), star fox (star fox assault), wave race (wave race blue storm), rogue squadron (rogue squadron 2 rogue leader).

Nope, no remakes at all.

Another thing that bugs me a lot about the gamecube is the fact that there was no online play. I mean come on, Nintendo, the giant of the industry, chose not to give its loyal supporters any kind of online play until Wii came out in '07, 6 years later than xbox live. At least N64 TRIED to give players what they wanted. Sure, the rpg's sucked, but at least they attempted them, or made up for it in other areas. GC just didn't.

And the final point is the simplicity of the hardware. With failing lasers, scratched disks, and cd drives getting jammed, cd-based systems just aren't perfect for keeping for a long time. How do you think a psx would work in 20 years? Good luck finding replacement parts and keeping the cd's from being scratched. N64 = no moving parts. A simple circuit board, and a rugged cartridge. How long do you think they will keep?

[Wolf]

Right all you are saying is what nintendo does EVERY console, they constantly make FIRST PARTY series games, because no jp third party developers touches them with a ten foot pole, for many reasons. FFCC while an ok ADVENTURE game is not exactly a real FF now is it ? MGSTS was a gamble for Hideo and also because he wanted to work with them, but then it wasn't really Hideo who even did it now was it ? that was silicon knights, it was good but not on hideos MGS good quality level, we did not even get vr and the dog tags were pointless.

The only real love we got on it was from capcom doing remake, 0 and 4, well...that were on par with ps2 calibre games anyway.

You have just pointed out how shitty nintendo is these days, since they can't compete with sony or ms, they just resort to doing the SAME old uninovative games which are first party every time, ok sorry nut smacking tv remotes you wave around in front of a screen like some slack jawed marry is innovative and hardcore awsome my bad^^

Oh yea....they also can't seem to get their head out of their own ass and understand that customers want similar features in each console, cause it is the public who dictates what kinds of profits you make, does any company really enjoy being 2nd or 3rd place ? hmm


GC had a BB adaptor, thats where alot of ex DC PSO players went once ep1 and 2 came out, granted it was hard to find at times ( it was going for 150 on ebay for a while or more ) and obviously had laughable support but it did exist.

NO lens based console is going to last forever nor is a cd/dvd rom drive, thats life, sure cartridge is nice and no loading rocks but with space limitations it's not worth it imo, look at the neo geo...imagine the cost if they used bigger and better carts now ? it would be insanity.

Scratched disks ? wtf ? here is some tip's although I do know alot of NA post on here so that explains why this happens.

Take better care of your items, don't lend your items out to tools, because they wont replace stuff if they bust it. Having ordered plenty of jp used titles that are in 99% mint condition I know this is mostly an american problem because idiots use them as coasters or don't put them back in the cases, which solves that problem 100%

N64 had rpg's ? are you on crack ? it had maybe 1 or 2 rpgs at best, quest 64 and zelda are NOT rpg's, those are called adventure games. Or do you garbage like shadowgate ? oh there was that strategy one too but big deal, look at how many REAL rpgs psx had, n64 tried jack shit bro.