We need a flat-out offensive, taboo commercial game.

[Xizer]

I want to see some game developer not be a pansy and make it so you can kill and torture kids, participate in hardcore pornography, and just about everything that seems to be taboo in games these days.

All of these are taboo subjects, especially in video games. I don't think I've ever seen a game where you can do any of these things, except for maybe some obscure wacky hentai game.

I'm talking about a game that they send to the ESRB to get rated with all these things, and it becomes Adults Only. Then shipping it out to any store that will sell it.

Not just selling some crappy hentai game through some obscure website, which is about the most taboo we get with games these days.

Who agrees? The amount of controversy surrounding the game would equal phenomenal sales, even if it isn't available at Wal-Mart and the like because they refuse to sell it.

Everyone seems to think Grand Theft Auto is the most "hardcore" game out there. GTA is weak. There's no kids in it, no actual sex (
if you're lucky you might see a picture of a bare ass or boobs like in Vice City), it's not nearly as violent as it could be, there's no rape, no torture of animals.

Anyway, let's summarize the things that should be in a good "shocker" game that would just make Manhunt, GTA, BMX XXX and the like look pathetic in comparison.

-Animal torture and killing
-Being a terrorist
-Child killing & torture
-Gore
-Hardcore porn, not some pathetic little locked up sex minigame that wasn't even intended to be used in the first place like "Hot Coffee," which, by the way, isn't even sex. It's just dry humping. They're wearing clothes. How can you have sex with your clothes on?

The game should be commercial, rated by the ESRB, and sold anywhere that will sell it. It can be made for the PC, and if done right, probably for the various consoles (Wii, Xbox 360, PS3). Just look at Action Replay: That's unauthorized software but Datel found a way to make it run and they haven't been sued.

I'd like to see GTA be pointed at after this game comes out. Who'll be the first developer to realize the profit potential of a game so shocking and man up and make it? Just take the worst parts of the Internet and cram it into a game. Best idea ever.

[Daltone]

I imagine that it'd be on the recieving end of the mighty government ban-hammer faster than you could say "Absolute waste of money." Half of that stuff you can't show on film, so I don't think an interactive DDR style baby raping mini-game would go down so well.

Why be shocking just for the hell of it? I suppose you may be right - create a hell of a shit storm and it'll probably sell, although maybe not in astronomical numbers. It'd also highlight that, really, GTA isn't that bad. Sure, it's not for kids, but still.

I imagine that what's happened with film ratings will happen with games as people gradually push the limits.

Anyhow, send your ideas in to Running with Scissors under the heading "Postal 3" :P

[keiblerfan69]

I see what you mean. You want to show them how bad it really could be. But I feel this would do more harm then help us.

[Cryomancer]

http://www.leisuresuitlarry.com/

Close as we've gotten, you can buy and download an uncensored version ( http://www.larryuncut.com/ ), and guess what, it's a fun game, with classic game clones in it! But that didn't keep everyone from writing it off after barely / not playing it!

Postal 2 is the only other one that comes to mind, and that doesn't even have any nudity or sex in it. The beauty of postal 2 is that you *can* play through the game without ever hurting anyone, it's all up the the player how you tackle the objectives.

I am however a STRONG supporter of this idea, it needs to just HAPPEN so we can all move on with our damn lives over this whole "issue".

edit: i supposed Fahrenheit / INdigo Phophecy comes close to this, at least the PAL version. It's got a sex minigame, striptease bonus video, technical necrophelia, murders, blood, suicides, avoiding the cops, all kinda of fun stuff. But they censored that for US release anyway, and even if they did call down on it someone would be quick to point out the obviousness of the game's creator being HEAVILY inspired by american cinema. I assume he knew he "had" to have them fall in love and have onscreen sex because that's what all his favorite american movies have.

[Ponyone]

This may sound wrong, and I don't mean to link it to terrorism, but while playing burnout the other day, I thought it would be fun to have flying machines and see how much of a city/building/structure you could take out instead of cars.

Damn terrorists have to go and ruin things.

[Sothy]

I want to see some game developer not be a pansy and make it so you can kill and torture kids

Ya lets start with you.

[sirhansirhan]

I think you've got the total wrong idea that this game would sell. It would not sell hardly at all, even if it were a fun and well-made game (and based on your laundry list of ways to be offensive, it would be pretty hard to make it coherent). Look how well The Guy Game sold when people thought it had an underage girl in it. Look how many copies of Custer's Revenge are around.

[Xizer]

I think you've got the total wrong idea that this game would sell. It would not sell hardly at all, even if it were a fun and well-made game (and based on your laundry list of ways to be offensive, it would be pretty hard to make it coherent). Look how well The Guy Game sold when people thought it had an underage girl in it. Look how many copies of Custer's Revenge are around.

It would sell if the developer actually put some effort into distributing it. The Guy Game didn't sell because it had a few brief videos with some nudity after playing through a long ass boring quiz thing.

Custer's Revenge came out a long time ago before games were very popular. That and block porn you can barely make out is pathetic.

My idea is different. Think of it like Postal 2, only about as shocking as possible. We're talking about necrophilia, hardcore porn, killing/beating kids, etc. Even Postal hasn't gone that far.

[GrandAmChandler]

My idea is different. Think of it like Postal 2, only about as shocking as possible. We're talking about necrophilia, hardcore porn, killing/beating kids, etc. Even Postal hasn't gone that far.

That is a stupid idea. Lets get the Jack Thompsons around the country on us some more. Necrophilia? Hardcore Porn? Killing kids? You have issues sir.

If you want kids beating up/ picking on kids, I suggest you check out "Bully" which is slated for this year I believe.

So if you get an AO game, lets see who will carry it. Not these places, considering they have a strict policy on not carrying AO games:

Wal-mart
Target
K-mart
EB / Gamestop
Best Buy
Circuit City
Sears

etc. etc. etc.

No way any developer is going to mass produce a game which takes a lot of time and money for it to not be sold anywhere.

[Oobgarm]

That is a stupid idea.

No way any developer is going to mass produce a game which takes a lot of time and money for it to not be sold anywhere.

Winner.

Sounds to me like you have some issues, Xizer. You can't support a game like that and not have a vested interest in the game's contents.

I am frightened by this post, I really am. Why even post about it? Yikes.

[bigdaddychester]

My idea is different. Think of it like Postal 2, only about as shocking as possible. We're talking about necrophilia, hardcore porn, killing/beating kids, etc. Even Postal hasn't gone that far.

You need some serious help......do you even have a clue?

[s1lence]

That would be a complete waste of time. There is no market for a game that you can't sell in the mass market. That would be like trying to sell a car on the moon, understanding that there isn't any air on the moon.

[Kamino]

We've already had a game that offends me on every level...


It's called "Super Mario 64".

[Poofta!]

id play it sure... lol


on a side note, reading your posts got me wondering -- how old are you ?

[jcalder8]

I want to see some game developer not be a pansy and make it so you can kill and torture kids

Ya lets start with you.


That is a stupid idea...
No way any developer is going to mass produce a game which takes a lot of time and money for it to not be sold anywhere.

There's nothing more that I can add.

[njiska]

I want to see some game developer not be a pansy and make it so you can kill and torture kids

Ya lets start with you.


That is a stupid idea...
No way any developer is going to mass produce a game which takes a lot of time and money for it to not be sold anywhere.

There's nothing more that I can add.

Actually it can be done. You use an online distrubtion system and make sure you whore it to the press. Use the controversy to your advantage and appreciate they can't stop you on the web.

[smork]

Aren't you like 16? Maybe when you're older you'll realize that provocation for the sake of provocation is just dumb. And yes, I am trying to be patronizing, because this is just a dumb fucking idea anyway you slice it.

"Oh man it was great they released Under Defeat for the DC and gave us some DC love but since it was a dead system they should have gone hardcore and had like flying cocks instead of a helicopter and maybe you could blow up schools filled with kindergardners instead of tanks and battle ships. They could have included a pocket pussy that looked like a corpse yeah that's what they needed to do but they had no balls."

[DonMarco]

We've already had a game that offends me on every level...

It's called "Super Mario 64".
The game with the Italian street-fighting ninja plumber Mario?? The Super Mario game without a Super Mario in it??? The game where you not only had a life bar, but could drown if underwater too long????

I completely agree with you even if your comment was sarcastic in nature.


So if you get an AO game, lets see who will carry it. Not these places, considering they have a strict policy on not carrying AO games:

Wal-mart
Target
K-mart
EB / Gamestop
Best Buy
Circuit City
Sears
etc. etc. etc.

No way any developer is going to mass produce a game which takes a lot of time and money for it to not be sold anywhere.
What about the internet? Brick and mortar porno stores? Back alleys and unlicenced corner vendors that sell bootleg DVDs? Or release an M-rated game in stores and a AO patch online? Or if it's a console game, a AO version? I know Wal-mart wouldn't carry them, same thing with porno mags and videos. But I'm not absolutely positive EB/GS won't sell AO games. I remember getting little AO stickers to put on the GTA:SA we had in stock and selling through those. We didn't have new or used display copies out on the shelf, but I do remember keeping them in stock for a while after they were re-labeled. Then again, what have there been, like two AO games released in the last decade?

Lastly! "Nudity is the cheapest special effect."

[Bronty-2]

We've already had a game that offends me on every level...

It's called "Super Mario 64".
The game with the Italian street-fighting ninja plumber Mario?? The Super Mario game without a Super Mario in it??? The game where you not only had a life bar, but could drown if underwater too long????

I completely agree with you even if your comment was sarcastic in nature.


So if you get an AO game, lets see who will carry it. Not these places, considering they have a strict policy on not carrying AO games:

Wal-mart
Target
K-mart
EB / Gamestop
Best Buy
Circuit City
Sears
etc. etc. etc.

No way any developer is going to mass produce a game which takes a lot of time and money for it to not be sold anywhere.
What about the internet? Brick and mortar porno stores? Back alleys and unlicenced corner vendors that sell bootleg DVDs? Or release an M-rated game in stores and a AO patch online? Or if it's a console game, a AO version? I know Wal-mart wouldn't carry them, same thing with porno mags and videos. But I'm not absolutely positive EB/GS won't sell AO games. I remember getting little AO stickers to put on the GTA:SA we had in stock and selling through those. We didn't have new or used display copies out on the shelf, but I do remember keeping them in stock for a while after they were re-labeled. Then again, what have there been, like two AO games released in the last decade?

Lastly! "Nudity is the cheapest special effect."

A game as offensive as the one described (child torture - wtf?) would probably result in arrests for anyone attempting to sell it. Lotsa luck making money from that.. retailers wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole - even porno stores.

[GrandAmChandler]

I want to see some game developer not be a pansy and make it so you can kill and torture kids

Ya lets start with you.


That is a stupid idea...
No way any developer is going to mass produce a game which takes a lot of time and money for it to not be sold anywhere.

There's nothing more that I can add.

Actually it can be done. You use an online distrubtion system and make sure you whore it to the press. Use the controversy to your advantage and appreciate they can't stop you on the web.

I understand it CAN be done, that doesn't mean it will be profitable.

I guess my point is getting distribution is an important process in the video game industry. Not many Video game magazines will be advertising an AO game either. Let alone review it. It just doesn't make sense to push an AO game out. Look at the Guy Game. That was an "M" game with nudity, and it got very little distribution, and it got a lot of press attention, but still didn't do well.

As for the "M" game with the "AO" patch, most retailers will just pull them from the shelf, just like Gamestop and Walmart did.

[udisi]

I actually hope we get an AO release too... If for nothing more than that is will take some of the pressure off M games. Games are no where near as sexy, violent, or Taboo as movies or music. Best Buy has no problem selling, 2-Live Crew, or Boogie Nights, but If you had a game where you were a porn star or you played as a porn director, they wouldn't carry it.

I think the biggest problem we have here, is that people believe games are still for kids only. They're not, the average gamer is in his mid to upper 20's. I have no problem with them enforcing the esrb, Don't sell M games to people under 17, don't sell AO games to to people under 21 or whatever, but don't make it prohibitive to be creative. The fact that games are censored from original Japanese versions is not cool. Not to sound all super liberal or anything, but you're changing the original artistic vison of the creator. More so by making some things taboo, you limited the creativity of games. I'm not saying we need Baby Eater 2006 or anything, but I think if you want a sex scene in a game, or have a racial stereotype in a game, you should be able to . It adds to the drama, and realism of the game.

Games like the Guy Game and BMX XXX are not what I'm talking about, both were mediocre ideas that tried to use sex only as a selling point. They're may or may not be a market for that type of game, but I'd like to see a good game where sex or a taboo is not the main attaction in it, but occurs naturaly in the gameplay.

I believe that we've gotten pretty far in the realm of violence. Heck in GRAW you see the guys head explode pieces when you hit them with a sniper shot. 15 years ago we had a tough time letting blood and fatalities into Mortal Kombat. Would it be better is in GRAW, if the guy just fell over? I don't think so, I think the blood and head shot explosions add to realism and enhances the experiance of the game. I'd like to see sex and taboo ideas incorporated the same way, not as some overhyped parlor trick to sell games.

[neuropolitique]

Dumbest....Idea....evar!

This comes from the same crowd that says they prefer M rated games to E rated, because they aren't kids anymore. Namely, the 13 to 18 age group. As previously mentioned, games of this type don't sell well. Postal 2 sold very poorly, and barely made any splash at all in the press.

Luckily, game companies aren't run by teens.

[poloplayr]

I love the fact that some people don't get the fact that Xizer obviously is ironic here...

[bazariah]

i'd love to see developers being a bit more gutsy in some titles...

some developers try to sell their games based on violent content, allthough when you look at it the "violent" or "sexual" games seem to be watered down

it could be good to see a game which is truly sick and disturbing some thing like a game version of the movie hostel for the violence and gross out stuff

a decent hardcore porno video game wouldnt go amiss for the people who maybe into that stuff

i agree with:
-Being a terrorist
-Gore
-Hardcore porn

in the right context these points could be quite entertaining in video game form.. and maybe somewhat enlightening

do not agree with
-Animal torture and killing
-Child killing & torture

the thought of these acts is truly disturbing

[unwinddesign]

Why would you want that? Torturing kids and animals can't be fun, it's just sadistic. I play games to have fun, not to engage in over the top sex, violence and rape.

The industry does not need an AO game, no matter how well this "torture/rape/extreme bloodbath" would be made. It's just not necessary.

[Xizer]

Why would you want that? Torturing kids and animals can't be fun, it's just sadistic. I play games to have fun, not to engage in over the top sex, violence and rape.

The industry does not need an AO game, no matter how well this "torture/rape/extreme bloodbath" would be made. It's just not necessary.

The whole point of the game would be to free the industry from its current position of being strangled by censorship. Just look at movies: all this and more have been in movies before.

And you know what? You wouldn't have to buy the game. I think it is necessary, because right now there's a boundary that everyone's afraid to cross. Someone needs to have the balls to cross that boundary.

[Jibbajaba]

This is by far the dumbest thing I have read in a while, almost to the point when I question the motives of the OP, suspecting nothing more than an attempt to stir the shit.

Creating a game like this would not lower the standard so much further that games like GTA would be considered less harmless. Rather, it would call MORE attention to violence, vulgarity, and general depravity in video games, so that the people calling for stricter regulations on the medium would not be some fringe group spearheaded by the the likes of Jack Thompson, Joe Lieberman, and Hillary Clinton, but instead would become a mainstream issue. The creation of a game like this would simply provide more ammuntion to those who seek to censor electronic games.

Chris

[Xizer]

Creating a game like this would not lower the standard so much further that games like GTA would be considered less harmless. Rather, it would call MORE attention to violence, vulgarity, and general depravity in video games, so that the people calling for stricter regulations on the medium would not be some fringe group spearheaded by the the likes of Jack Thompson, Joe Lieberman, and Hillary Clinton, but instead would become a mainstream issue. The creation of a game like this would simply provide more ammuntion to those who seek to censor electronic games.


It's nice to know that people think like you. They're so afraid of the government they self-censor themselves! Must make the government's job a lot easier, am I right? "We can't create a game like that because the government would take action!"

The government might as well be censoring games with this attitude floating around. You defend your rights by pushing them to the limit, instead of backing off in fear of the government.

[Bronty-2]

Creating a game like this would not lower the standard so much further that games like GTA would be considered less harmless. Rather, it would call MORE attention to violence, vulgarity, and general depravity in video games, so that the people calling for stricter regulations on the medium would not be some fringe group spearheaded by the the likes of Jack Thompson, Joe Lieberman, and Hillary Clinton, but instead would become a mainstream issue. The creation of a game like this would simply provide more ammuntion to those who seek to censor electronic games.


It's nice to know that people think like you. They're so afraid of the government they self-censor themselves! Must make the government's job a lot easier, am I right? "We can't create a game like that because the government would take action!"

The government might as well be censoring games with this attitude floating around. You defend your rights by pushing them to the limit, instead of backing off in fear of the government.

He's right, you're wrong.

He's not self-censoring, he's using his frickin' brain.

[Sothy]

This is not Xizers first run in with controversial Video Game ideas...


<Sothy> I cant wait to see where the army men franchise goes on 360 and ps3
<Sothy> maybe they can actually make them look like toys
<Sothy> and you can crawl on the floor
<Sothy> And see cigarette buts and syringes and dead rats
<Sothy> Assuming its xizers house the game is set in
<Xizer> umm
<Ze_ro> You'll move slowly when walking over the used condoms in his mom's room
<Xizer> No one in my house smokes cigarettes

[Xizer]

I find it pathetic that you took the effort to pull out some IRC chat log from months ago.

Not really a funny quote, and I fail to see what it has to do with the topic at hand. GTFO of my topic if you're going to be a dumbass.

[Kid Ice]

Not really a funny quote

Dude, he said there were used condoms in your mom's room and you replied that no one in your house smokes cigarettes. That's hilarious.

Oh, and your "great idea" was already tried in about a dozen games that suck.

[Sothy]

GTFO of my topic if you're going to be a dumbass.

Your "topic" reached dumbass status before there were any replies actually. I just threw in a spicy ah meat a ballah!

[GrandAmChandler]

GTFO of my topic if you're going to be a dumbass.

Your "topic" reached dumbass status before there were any replies actually. I just threw in a spicy ah meat a ballah!

I agree. This topic was doomed to begin with. Xizer, you may have some luck convincing the Gamefaqs crowd that this is a good idea, but in the end it's a bad idea. For the Developer, Publisher, and the Gamer. For everyone.

Locked for your protection.