End of collecting!

[Linuxfox00]

i was just on kotaku and i was just looking at (this.) (http://wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/nintendo.html) Looks like the collecting day for all us collectors are going to begone before we know it. The market for classics will be drained. What will happen if we want to play a game 20 year after to Playstaion 4, or what not is launched will it be avalibale and just the good classics ps2 games are there. I know that all of have a fav. that is a stupid game that seems diffrent I guess we will have to rebell against download games. I like to own a phisical copy of something so I don't have to call tech support.

[dbiersdorf]

I always want to own the actual game. Downloading games over Xbox Live Arcade or the Virtual Console will not kill classic gaming, or collecting for that matter, if that were the case, ROMs would have killed the anything before the Dreamcast.

[Linuxfox00]

I guess that means nintendo and other people will start attaking rom torrents and start taking them off the internet but that won't be happening that soon.

[blissfulnoise]

ROMs have been available through various means for 10 years (Holy crap, have we been emulating for that long? Yep, Zophar's Domain is still up).

And yet Chrono Trigger can and does still fetch $60+ on eBay.

Much like the many other posts in this vein, I’ll respond the same: no, collecting classic games will not be diminished or significantly impacted by Xbox Live Arcade, Nintendo's Virtual Console, or any one of the dozens of other attempts to cash in on "retro gaming" (see “Classics” collections, “Classic” series, “Plug and Play” games, or any other avenue you choose). If anything, it only strengthens the hobby as it seems to inspire longing to play the originals on their original hardware.

And for housekeeping:

1) Welcome to the forums
2) Please proof-read or at least spell check your posts. Your OP was pretty painful to read.

[Linuxfox00]

Well what about the country's young how are they suppost to experence games like skygunner for ps2 now i know games like that won't be for download they will have to go out and buy a ps2 so much for compatiblity.

[boatofcar]

What in the world are you talking about?

[Linuxfox00]

What in the world are you talking about? well did yo read the (this.) article (http://wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/nintendo.html)?

[-hellvin-]

This argument always seems irrelevant.

Downloadable does not = physicaly owned copy

[videogameoverdose]

IMO, I would rather own the Mona Lisa or any original than a copy.

[THATinkjar]

Personally, I'd much prefer to have a box, and a manual, etc. But then, I'm missing out on the likes of SiN Episodes and The Ship, at least until they get a boxed release later in the year.

Oddly, though - I don't have the slightest problem with Xbox Live Arcade or Marketplace.

[Jisho]

Frankly, I think the new "download games" system that seems like it may catch on is a great thing.

For people who are more casual, this is the opportunity to play games that they may otherwise not want to fork over the money to get even a loose cart (or try and find one).

For collectors, this COULD mean a drop in the prices of some games, making them easier to get a hold of.

[Trebuken]

Collecting ROMS is where the game collecting bug really took hold for me. Once I saw how many games there actually were and that I had missed, well I had to go back and play some of them. Their is a different 'feel' to the originals then there is to 'emulation'. Galaga on Xbox Live Arcade is great, but it does not acurately replicate the arcad feel, on the other hand Marble Blast, and Zuma are perfect, and could not convert well to an arcade.

Roms are complimentary to the physical product. There will be a time when PS2 games get rereleases like NES games on Wii, theirs talk already of PS1 games being playable via PSP, and heck the PS3 is retaining PS1 compatibility for a reason.

You either are a retrogamer or your a ROM dabbler...

Later,
Trebuken

[lordnikon]

This poll is so 1 sided LOL

[Pico956]

I'm not suprised with the results of this pole.

[s1lence]

It has been stated by numberous market sources that the end of physical copies of media isn't going to happen anytime soon. People like to have something they can hold, regardless of the avaliablity of something they can download. You also have a large industry built around physical media sales, which most developers depend on to get their products to market. So no collecting isnt even close to being no existant.

[heybtbm]

It has been stated by numberous market sources that the end of physical copies of media isn't going to happen anytime soon. People like to have something they can hold, regardless of the avaliablity of something they can download. You also have a large industry built around physical media sales, which most developers depend on to get their products to market. So no collecting isnt even close to being no existant.

Agreed. As has been said here before...Walmart, Target and the like will never allow game companies to sell games directly to consumers without a physical copy option available. Big retailers run the show...not the software companies.

[Rogmeister]

This isn't what I expected when I saw the title of this thread. I thought maybe you were asking if anyone was giving up collecting which isn't really what this is about. For the record, I've never downloaded anything (games, music, movies) and doubt I ever will...but I've also quit collecting games. I haven't bought one now in over a half-year. I'm not saying I'll never buy another game (I may buy that recent Tomb Raider one once it hits $20) but I'm never going back to buying them left and right...

[AMG]

I hate the idea of ending any physical format and going download only. I want to own the game disc, cart, manual, box etc. I would be severely disappointed if things went download only in the next few generations.

[Ed Oscuro]

IMO, I would rather own the Mona Lisa or any original than a copy.
The Mona Lisa is rather overrated. DaVinci's portrait of Ginevra de' Benci (http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/female.html) is better. :D

[ClassicGameTrader]

That has to be one of the most poorly written articles I have ever seen about videogames. It looks like a bad review on gamefaqs.com or something.

"Nintendo’s new Wii console, out later this year, is perhaps the company’s last chance to stay in the game."

I'm no fanboy, but isn't nintendo making money hand over fist in comparison to the Xbox and Sony divisions?

[-hellvin-]

that's it, I'm ruining this poll and voting for downloading

[roushimsx]

I guess that means nintendo and other people will start attaking rom torrents and start taking them off the internet but that won't be happening that soon.

Nintendo attacking various distribution methods is nothing new. Torrents are the new hotness not because Nintendo attacked the rom-hosting websites (of which there are still plenty!) but because it's always better to make your addicts pay for the bandwidth instead of you (in this case, the pokerom downloaders that try to keep complete romsets for everything).

Get with the club and jump on the Usenet where everyone else has been downloading ROMs for the last decade+ without fear of getting a CND letter :)


Their is a different 'feel' to the originals then there is to 'emulation'. Galaga on Xbox Live Arcade is great, but it does not acurately replicate the arcad feel, on the other hand Marble Blast, and Zuma are perfect, and could not convert well to an arcade.


It depends on the game and emulator, honestly. MAME does a pretty damn good job of perfectly replicating how the game ran, so all that's left on your side is replicating how it "feels". You can dump a few dollars into a nice set of sticks and play it proper and it's just like playing the real deal or you can just use a crappy playstation -> USB adaptor and play like a standard rom kiddie...or any number of varying degrees inbetween.

...and Zuma worked out really well in the arcade back when it was called Puzz Loop. PopCap is awesome at publishing and developing straight knock offs of lesser known games. On one hand, it brings the gameplay to a whole new audience and on the other hand it strips the original creators of their due credit. A lot of the early reviews of Magnetica called it a Zuma clone, totally oblivious to the fact that Mitchell had created the damned genre. :(

[videogameoverdose]

IMO, I would rather own the Mona Lisa or any original than a copy.
The Mona Lisa is rather overrated. DaVinci's portrait of Ginevra de' Benci (http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/female.html) is better. :D

Noway!!! Mona Lisa is a Hottie compared to that crossed eyed slut! LOL

[DigitalSpace]

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[Synergy]

Collecting ROMS is where the game collecting bug really took hold for me. Once I saw how many games there actually were and that I had missed, well I had to go back and play some of them. Their is a different 'feel' to the originals then there is to 'emulation'. Galaga on Xbox Live Arcade is great, but it does not acurately replicate the arcad feel, on the other hand Marble Blast, and Zuma are perfect, and could not convert well to an arcade.

Roms are complimentary to the physical product. There will be a time when PS2 games get rereleases like NES games on Wii, theirs talk already of PS1 games being playable via PSP, and heck the PS3 is retaining PS1 compatibility for a reason.

You either are a retrogamer or your a ROM dabbler...

Later,
Trebuken

Exactly what I was thinking. Good post, sir. :)

That's how it started for me too, dabbled in ROMs here and there. Then, once I realized how much I love these games, I caught the collecting bug once again and want the originals. I started in emulation playing Willow on Nesticle for DOS on Windows 98 after my friend introduced me to Zophar's Domain. That's how it all started for me.

I guess you can figure out what my vote was. ;)

[scorch56]

All this dl'ing "classics" stuff will be a flash in the pan (if even that). The TRUE collectors who want to collect these games.. can, and still will.. continue to collect hard copies.

Most of the people who actually played and enjoyed games from the 8 and 16-bit eras are now parents and have kids of their own. When they go out and buy an Xbox or a PS2 (Notice I'm NOT even using the newly; and soon to be released " current gen" anagrams? That's because at today's release prices I don't believe even your average wage-earning family is going to be buying a WHOLE lot of new consoles anyway.) 90% of the time.. it's for the kids. Your average demographic target kid nowdays (18 to 25) really isn't gonna' give a rat's ass that he can download and play the original Metroid or Phantasy Star.. even if it IS for a dollar.. or a nickel for that matter.

This highly touted aspect is going to turn out a wash, overrated, and overblown. It's really a non-issue. The designer's just haven't realized it yet. There are STILL literally hundreds of titles I WOULD want to add to my collection.. maybe someday I will.. maybe I won't; but just as an example.. I wouldn't pay $2 for a downloadable emulated copy of EVO (And I use this only because it's a nintendo title and currently fetches $100+ on eB; one I'd LIKE to have.. but can't afford); nor would I even begin to consider it a part of my "collection" if I did. Without documents and physicality.. it's just not the same to the target audience that Microsoft and Nintendo DO think will be interested. There will be a lot more time and effort put into hacking the current gen consoles to once again play DVD-Rs and HD copies.. than there will be in emulation of old games. This will all blow over; and in about two years.. we'll all be talking about how this was all "much ado about nothing".. trust me.

I may be selling my collection off soon, but it will be due to my current financial obligations.. not because I believe in any way, shape or form.. that the bottom will be falling out of the market anytime soon.. or ever.

[zerohero]

I like both.

[diskoboy]

As with the PC world - Hard Drives sometimes go to Hard Drive heaven....

Thats why I like having a physical copy. Having to download a game again is a pain in the ass. Even if it is a few megs...

[bangtango]

This isn't what I expected when I saw the title of this thread. I thought maybe you were asking if anyone was giving up collecting which isn't really what this is about. For the record, I've never downloaded anything (games, music, movies) and doubt I ever will...but I've also quit collecting games. I haven't bought one now in over a half-year. I'm not saying I'll never buy another game (I may buy that recent Tomb Raider one once it hits $20) but I'm never going back to buying them left and right...

This is also my view of things. I don't download music, movies, movie trailers, ringtones, books, tv episodes or video games.

The way I look at it is this:

No self-respecting movie or music buff can download a film or album and truly say they own the movie or the album. I don't care if it is a legal download on I-Tunes or an illegal download on some random site. How about having the liner notes, inserts and something that is actually pressed? Same thing with video games, movies and books.

Let's say you work with a girl who likes, say Stevie Wonder. Well, you could pick any musician. Maybe you want to impress her. Let's say you tell her that you own a bunch of Stevie Wonder's albums and will bring them over tonight to listen to. Would you have the nerve to say this and show up with some burned copies?

Whenever I visit a friend and we watch a movie, if he pulls out a burned copy of said movie, I say to myself, "What a dick" and just shake my head.

Gaming companies can keep on shoving the idea of downloading down my throat but I don't intend to listen to them or follow suit. My girlfriend thought it was cheesy when she saw me playing rom's on a computer instead of throwing the same cartridge into an actual system.

[segarocks30]

Actual Copy, of course.