Component cables will not be included with PS3...

[heybtbm]

I've been wondering lately if Sony is actively trying to piss of as many people as possible.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157113.html

No component cables for either version of the PS3. I didn't expect HDMI cables, but for $600...I would expect something more than shitty RCA or S-Video. This has got to be a mistake. Maybe Sony's idea of "HD" doesn't mean what the rest of the world considers "HD".

[Gamereviewgod]

They say nothing about component. It's all HDMI in the article, unless I missed something.

[heyricochet]

However, according to Sony's own official PS3 Web site, the system won't come with the cables necessary to carry an HDMI signal, or any high-definition signal, for that matter.

Video output in HD requires cables and an HD-compatible display, both sold seperately.

Yeah, no component. Sucks, and is dumb.

[Joker T]

That's really dumb. Sony brags and brags about their 1080p support and HD, yet you can't even get it without shelling more cash. Sure MS talks about the "HD Era" a good bit as well, but at least the Premium 360 comes with the cables needed for it.

[Princess-Isabela]

I hope thats not true, or we might be forced to get separate component cables for like $50 or HDMI cables for $100, now that would suck.

[slip81]

I hear though that they are including a hammer so you can hit yourself in the head after buying it.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

I hear though that they are including a hammer so you can hit yourself in the head after buying it.
Those three people are going to have quite a mess on their hands.

[s1lence]

Sweet a hammer, can you use it to prevent other people from buying one?

[Kuros]

Sweet a hammer, can you use it to prevent other people from buying one?

You can use it to bash the nearest Sony employee.

[Darren870]

100,000 in japan and 400,000 for the US on launch...

Woot for low release numbers

[Wavelflack]

Here's the pack-in a/v connection:

http://www.best-electronics-ca.com/Image8.gif

[Auxilla]

Here's the pack-in a/v connection:

http://www.best-electronics-ca.com/Image8.gif

Schweet that makes up for all wrong doing. LOL

[Half Japanese]

One thing to remember: it's possible that retailers could have applied some of the pressure that led to this decision. After all, retailers make jack shit on console sales themselves, leaving the accessory market to be the area where they 'pick up the slack' so to speak. The 360 had very little opportunity for retailers to sell extra accessories to buyers in the same trip they bought the console in. I mean, the only possible things the average joe would care about is an extra controller. It already came with good cables, a hard drive and batteries to get you started, leaving retailers with nothing but games to sell with them (and the markup on new games ain't that great either...why do you think Gamestop/EB pushes used games so hard?).

Basically, from the consumer's point of view, the 360 did very well from a standpoint of including everything you need to get started (quality issues with the hardware itself is another matter entirely). It's always possible that Sony made a deal with retailers to purposely not include things in the box so retailers could make a little extra cash selling them as add-ons. Just a thought.

[NEOFREAK9189]

only $10 for Component cables

[Trebuken]

It could be (though foolish) that the PS3 is not compatible with component cables due to the content protection with the Blu-Ray. There may not be a component option without some kind of adapter. Since HDMI is not in that many households yet it would not make sense to include those cables (from a cost angle).

Later,
Trebuken

[lendelin]

It seems the already expensive PS3 is getting more and more expensive while the the premium bundle of the 360 is looking more and more attractive.

[Slate]

OK, where is Anthony1's opinion on this..

[Anthony1]

OK, where is Anthony1's opinion on this..



Including the component cables is actually not a very smart idea. Why include it, when you can charge somebody an extra $29.99 for the accesory. I mean, it's a typical practice. The Xbox 360 premium bundle have the component cables was an exception to the rule. I think the main reason the 360 wanted to have component cables included in the premium version, is because they were going into uncharted territory by charging more than the standard $299.99 price that everybody was expecting.

Now that the $299.99 barrier has been passed, and passed successfully, Sony doesn't need to include the component cables or the HDMI cable. On one hand, as a consumer who is going to be forced to by overpriced component cables, I can't stand this shit, but on the other side, thinking rationally as a businessman, including the component cables is just not good business.

Some will say it's not good business to piss off your customers further, but Americans are very quick to forget these types of things. As much as we would like to think that we hold these long term grudges against certain companies for their policies, we really don't. We forget about shit rather quickly. Sure, there are going to be some very pissed off people, cause they are going to realize that they have to shell out another $29.99 on top of everything else, but a few months later it will be a distant memory.

And 6 months down the road, you will have 3rd party component cables for $14.99 on sale. So for the people buying it then, it's not that huge an issue. What will be a kinda huge issue is the price of the HDMI cables. The official Sony ones, will likely cost a fortune, and I'm sure the average Joe Schmo, isn't going to know that you can get high quality HDMI cables on Ebay or via other methods for only $20 a cable.

[Griking]

OK, where is Anthony1's opinion on this..



Including the component cables is actually not a very smart idea. Why include it, when you can charge somebody an extra $29.99 for the accesory. I mean, it's a typical practice. The Xbox 360 premium bundle have the component cables was an exception to the rule. I think the main reason the 360 wanted to have component cables included in the premium version, is because they were going into uncharted territory by charging more than the standard $299.99 price that everybody was expecting.

Now that the $299.99 barrier has been passed, and passed successfully, Sony doesn't need to include the component cables or the HDMI cable. On one hand, as a consumer who is going to be forced to by overpriced component cables, I can't stand this shit, but on the other side, thinking rationally as a businessman, including the component cables is just not good business.

Some will say it's not good business to piss off your customers further, but Americans are very quick to forget these types of things. As much as we would like to think that we hold these long term grudges against certain companies for their policies, we really don't. We forget about shit rather quickly. Sure, there are going to be some very pissed off people, cause they are going to realize that they have to shell out another $29.99 on top of everything else, but a few months later it will be a distant memory.

And 6 months down the road, you will have 3rd party component cables for $14.99 on sale. So for the people buying it then, it's not that huge an issue. What will be a kinda huge issue is the price of the HDMI cables. The official Sony ones, will likely cost a fortune, and I'm sure the average Joe Schmo, isn't going to know that you can get high quality HDMI cables on Ebay or via other methods for only $20 a cable.


So what's next? Will the AC adapter be sold separately? After all, why include it if you can milk your customers an extra $29.99 for it. While we're at it I think that console makers have been TOO generous by including a single controller with the unit. Controllers should be extra since there's more profit to be made that way. Oh, another good idea, since all next-gen consoles will be broadband ready lets make subscribing to their online hub mandatory instead of optional, after all, that'll provide another steady stream of income and even better it'll please EA and other game developers who are designing uploadable changable advertising into their games

:roll:

...and people wonder why I'm primarily a PC gamer.

[Half Japanese]

It could be (though foolish) that the PS3 is not compatible with component cables due to the content protection with the Blu-Ray. There may not be a component option without some kind of adapter. Since HDMI is not in that many households yet it would not make sense to include those cables (from a cost angle).

Later,
Trebuken

From what I understand (though I may be wrong) it's the 1080p that is only for use with HDMI. If that is in fact the case, it's not a huge deal as less than 1% of US homes right now (my statistic pulled straight from my ass, but I'd put money on it) have a television or monitor capable of displaying a 1080p signal (at the very cheapest, these sets are $1500). Either way, I hope Blu-Ray bites it based on what I know of the 2 formats right now. If one were to go strictly by history, betting on Blu-Ray would be a poor choice as Sony's formats have never won.

As for Griking, so what? You don't think the differences between PC and console gaming are growing thinner by the generation, if not by the month? Our controllers and cables are your video cards and RAM. There really isn't any reason to do the whole PC vs. Consoles arguement again since it was retarded in the first place.

[Garry Silljo]

Whatever happened to 2 controllers all the cables you could possible need AND a game? I can't believe consumers put up with this ever diminishing value for their dollar. I wish all the next gen-ers the best, but my gaming is moving backwards from here on in. If I get any new system at all, it will be a wii or a second hand PS2 given to me for free from a buddy who took the plunge.

[Trebuken]

It could be (though foolish) that the PS3 is not compatible with component cables due to the content protection with the Blu-Ray. There may not be a component option without some kind of adapter. Since HDMI is not in that many households yet it would not make sense to include those cables (from a cost angle).

Later,
Trebuken

From what I understand (though I may be wrong) it's the 1080p that is only for use with HDMI. If that is in fact the case, it's not a huge deal as less than 1% of US homes right now (my statistic pulled straight from my ass, but I'd put money on it) have a television or monitor capable of displaying a 1080p signal (at the very cheapest, these sets are $1500). Either way, I hope Blu-Ray bites it based on what I know of the 2 formats right now. If one were to go strictly by history, betting on Blu-Ray would be a poor choice as Sony's formats have never won.

As for Griking, so what? You don't think the differences between PC and console gaming are growing thinner by the generation, if not by the month? Our controllers and cables are your video cards and RAM. There really isn't any reason to do the whole PC vs. Consoles arguement again since it was retarded in the first place.

PS3 games should play over component well enough; 1080P games may be out over component but 1080p games are likely not going to be available for awhile due to increased developement costs. HDMI is neede for Blu-Ray DVD because of the content protection, though the protection may or may not be implemented in many DVD's yet. I know it has not been in most HD-DVD's.

Though these sorts of unknowns are just reasons for not including the cables...

We'll see. It would not make sense to exlude the component crowd so I would expect some functionality.

Later,
Trebuken

[Niku-Sama]

wow this is uncanny, i was just talking to some one about this bull shit.
not the fact that the PS3 isnt going to come with component cables but that you people are getting all worked up over it, not all of you mind you just alot of you.

and honestly did you really expect it? how much of the population has a HDTV? they know that. it comes to the point, ship it with both and lose money to the cables that people arent going to use, ship it with the component or HDMI and piss the majority of the population off or ship it with regular A/V cables that the greater majority have in the world and supply the extra cables as extra, people who can afford a HDTV i bet can scrounge the extra $8

man now i am getting all worked up about it. just really lets not let this little stuff get to us. its a common sence issue and really uo have no control over it so why bother?

[heybtbm]

and honestly did you really expect it? how much of the population has a HDTV? they know that. it comes to the point, ship it with both and lose money to the cables that people arent going to use, ship it with the component or HDMI and piss the majority of the population off or ship it with regular A/V cables that the greater majority have in the world and supply the extra cables as extra, people who can afford a HDTV i bet can scrounge the extra $8

$8? Try $49.99. Regardless, most TV's (not just HDTV's) have component jacks in the back, and have for years. Microsoft gets it...the component cable that comes with the premium 360 has component and regular A/V so everybody is happy.

It comes down to this: Sony is trying to squeeze more money out of a demographic they see as willing to pay more...plain and simple. Sony and their apologists can argue "free market" and "obligation to the shareholders" all they want...it's still a lame thing to do.

[jajaja]

When u own a TV that supports 1080p, isnt it natural to already own a HDMI cable?

[Joker T]

When u own a TV that supports 1080p, isnt it natural to already own a HDMI cable?

Well you most likely have it for something else besides PS3. I don' t think you would just buy an HDMI cable and not use it.

[jajaja]

Dont know :) Maybe its included with some TVs.

[jajaja]

You can always switch the cable when ur going to play PS3 tho. Its boring i know, but its a solution if you dont want to spend money on a 2nd HDMI cable.

[Niku-Sama]

$8? Try $49.99. Regardless, most TV's (not just HDTV's) have component jacks in the back, and have for years. Microsoft gets it...the component cable that comes with the premium 360 has component and regular A/V so everybody is happy.

It comes down to this: Sony is trying to squeeze more money out of a demographic they see as willing to pay more...plain and simple. Sony and their apologists can argue "free market" and "obligation to the shareholders" all they want...it's still a lame thing to do.

who the hell would pay $50 for cables?
http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=801798

it says ps2 but rember, PS2 and PS3 are going to have the same A/V out.

theyre used but....they are cables
http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=900352
and this is just at eb games, i am sure if i looked harder i could find non universal ps2 component cables for less

[heybtbm]

but rember, PS2 and PS3 are going to have the same A/V out.

Huh? This is the first I've heard of that. If true that would be great news. Still, I'm skeptical that it will work.

[Niku-Sama]

if you listen closely this german SCE guy says some thing about it and you can kinda see it when he flips it arround

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=12742&type=wmp

this is from jajaja's post about the internal PSU

[Niku-Sama]

heres an HDMI cable, kinda short though
http://www.buyextras.com/3fehdtohdgoc.html

[Anthony1]

So what's next? Will the AC adapter be sold separately? After all, why include it if you can milk your customers an extra $29.99 for it. While we're at it I think that console makers have been TOO generous by including a single controller with the unit. Controllers should be extra since there's more profit to be made that way. Oh, another good idea, since all next-gen consoles will be broadband ready lets make subscribing to their online hub mandatory instead of optional, after all, that'll provide another steady stream of income and even better it'll please EA and other game developers who are designing uploadable changable advertising into their games

:roll:

...and people wonder why I'm primarily a PC gamer.


look, I did say this:



On one hand, as a consumer who is going to be forced to by overpriced component cables, I can't stand this shit, but on the other side, thinking rationally as a businessman, including the component cables is just not good business.



So, again, I'm not saying that this is something that I'm happy to hear about, but it's very typical and it's expected. Most companies will put the bare minimum in the box, and anything else extra you need, you have to buy seprately. That's just the way things have been done. (Xbox 360 premium system excluded) Normally you get the system itself, a power plug, a basic A/V cable with the yellow, red and white plugs, and one controller, and that's about it. I believe the GameCube and PS2 and Xbox 1 were all like that. Basic system, one controller and basic A/V cables. If you wanted S-Video, you had to pay extra. If you wanted a memory card, you had to pay extra, if you wanted an extra controller, you had to pay extra, if you wanted controller extensions you had to pay extra, etc, etc.


It just makes good business sense, because most launch day consumers are going to pick up a few extra accesories, and this is a great way to both take care of the retailer, as well as help cover the console subsidy to a very slight degree. Every little bit helps.

Do I like it? Hell no. Just like anybody else I wish we got component cables and a optical cable and a HDMI cable and a extra controller and a memory card and a pack in game and all that crap. Of course I wish all that was included, but it just doesn't make very much business sense from Sony's standpoint. Sure alot of their customers are going to complain about it, but Sony will simply say that everything was packed in that is needed to get the system up and running, and that if you wanted something extra for it, it was made available as an accessory.

[Slate]

"Bump"

Has the situation changed with the PS3 component cables? Or are they including HDMI with the $600 bundle?

[Trebuken]

I hope they come with HDMI cables, but I really doubt it. The press release only said they would be adding HDMI to the $499 model PS3, nothing about cables in the box...they can be had fairly cheap on ebay...
Later,
Trebuken

[meancode]

only $10 for Component cables
It really doesn't matter the cost. It is the inconvenience. Microsoft put both component and composite on one cable, how nice was that!

So to experience "true HD" on my brand new PS3, I also have to remember to purchase a composite or HDMI cable on November 17 when I am out shopping for my PS3. That is absolute bull.

And btw, the Wired News reporter who writes the Games|Life blog interviewed all three heads of Sony, and two of them basically said no component cable in the box.

[jajaja]

So to experience "true HD" on my brand new PS3, I also have to remember to purchase a composite or HDMI cable on November 17 when I am out shopping for my PS3. That is absolute bull.

You have about 2 months to remember it, write it down or even tattoo it on your arm :) Its not really anything to remember, its like making a mountain out of a mole imo.