people using the word mint too passively

[bangtango]

I understand some people want to prove a point by copying and pasting her previous feedback or linking it for all to see.

However, it seems like a couple of these same people are participating because they have a hard-on to "pad" their post count or get "noticed" by more popular members.

[staxx]

Well I was going not a fuel to the fire, but this is what I don't understand ? Raregamergirl states "CHECK the description and the picture and if insure, always email the seller." Well let's say we check the description "OK is says Rare, Mint and game is in working condition, fully tested yadda yadda" then I go and look at the picture. IF I did not read these forums, HOW ON EARTH would I know that the pic IS NOT of the actual item sold and perhaps I will get a item as great of the quality in the pic or better? WHERE does it say that in the description to let buyers know? Am I missing something here, I an not doing this to flame anyone but this makes no sense to me. If you actually post the real photo of the item I wouldn't have minded as much of the word usage "Mint" (sure you have tons of games to sell and so on, the buyer needs to know the actual item he/she is getting). Fine you don't use a stock photo where other sellers use, but you do use your own stock photo and it is not written anywhere in your list? Sellers who have listed Stock Photos indicate that IT IS a stock photo. I would like to hear your explaination of this.

[raregamergirl]

I dont have time to sit here and type the exact situation for any of those feedback but it seems like virtually all of them are over
a) user claiming to not recieve item (as stated almost all are outside the US) and then recieving a full refund by me
b) user complaining of shipping. I dont control the post office. most of the shipping issues were also outside the US and anyone who ships outside the US knows that is wildly unpredicatble. I am not responsible for the slow post office
c) an item was disk only (and pictured and described as disk only) yet user apparently expected more
d) packaging issues (I use bubble wrap and secure bubble mailers, but for some this is not enough. the main issues seemed to be with guides here in the feedback comments though which makes sense considering the weight I suppose but its difficult to mail guides and have them arrive perfect)
e) 4 of the comments (out of about 1000 positive comments) state item not as described (and had nothing to do with shipping or them expecting something not included)

thats about all the feedback comments.

[devils advocate]

I understand some people want to prove a point by copying and pasting her previous feedback or linking it for all to see.

However, it seems like a couple of these same people are participating because they have a hard-on to "pad" their post count or get "noticed" by more popular members.


I have been on this board for three years, and have about 150 posts. I'm really padding them up. Maybe I'll even hit TWO HUNDRED by 2008!!!!

I'm guessing it may be you that has the "hard on", so to speak.

And just so you know. There are PILES of Ebay sellers with more than 1000 sales with ZERO negatives, let alone the crap she has.

[lendelin]

Excuse the long URLs. I didn't bother to look at all 600+ auctions that featured the word mint. But I did find a few glaring flaws in the games I did click on. I'd say one out of every 10 auctions I checked out had something visably not-mint about it. Here's a sample.. I can dig up more if this doesn't meet your challenge.


Worn Label... but MINTY!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Game-Watch-Gallery-1-Game-Boy-Original-Mint-Classics_W0QQitemZ250028289988QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6 2053QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Groove gunk! And a damaged label to boot.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Illusion-Of-Gaia-Super-Nintendo-SNES-Mint-RPG-Game_W0QQitemZ250028293726QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Damaged box, ugly manual, and not even rare. :P
http://cgi.ebay.com/Conflict-Nintendo-NES-Mint-In-Box-Rare-Game_W0QQitemZ250028336895QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Dog Eared Manual
http://cgi.ebay.com/Resident-Evil-W-Manual-Sega-Saturn-Mint-Rare-1-US_W0QQitemZ250028030427QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

More Nasty Gunk
http://cgi.ebay.com/Elmos-Number-Journey-Nintendo-64-N64-Rare-MINT-Kids_W0QQitemZ250028279638QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Gotta love that "minty" sticker residue
http://cgi.ebay.com/Harvest-Moon-2-Game-Boy-Color-GBC-Mint-VERY-Rare-RPG_W0QQitemZ250028289726QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Worn edges along the bottom of the box, and a crease in the left bottom corner
http://cgi.ebay.com/1942-Nintendo-Nes-Mint-In-Box-MIB-Classic-Game_W0QQitemZ250028336621QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No... no it's not.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dragon-Warrior-I-1-Nintendo-NES-Mint-In-Box-Rare_W0QQitemZ250028337238QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks, Daria, for posting the links. I looked at a couple of completed transactions of our friend raregamergirl myself, and damn, the words 'mint,' like new' and 'perfect' showed up for items with serious, ridiculous flaws. These are auctions I often thought looking at them that the seller is either blind or a crook. Knowing human beings I strongly assume the latter.

Raregamergirl, your deflection strategies do not work. It is not a matter of feedback. I don't care how often you scam people, one out of ten, one out of 100, or one out of a thousand. The fact is (since you like facts) that you do. Taking neutrals, mutually withdrawn, and people who just don't leave a negative out of fear of retaliation into account, your feedback rating is anyway terrible. It is also a cheap strategy to keep your very questionable transactions at a certain degree so you can just keep the lil' powerseller status.

You mislead about the condition in the title, step a bit away from it in the item description, and then show the pic with the terrible item (manual, cartridge, box, ect.) without addressing the condition at all. Goal: Attract buyers, maybe they won't notice, and a done deal is a done deal.

What you are doing is not really complicayed, and our criticism is straightforward, easy to understand, and not really in the hemisphere of brain surgery.

Just answer very simple Qs which you haven't done yet.

1. Why do you put the word 'mint' in the title when the items shown in the pics are clearly not? (see Darias listing)

2. In the case of the Marble Madness game, you say that two items are actually mint, 'only' one item, the manual, isn't. Why in the world do you advertise a game as 'complete' right away followed by the word 'mint' if the complete game isn't?

3. In the case of the Marble Madness game, why in the world do you put the word mint in the title if you have to correct it in the item description to 'great'? ...and why don't you address the ripped manual in the text when you talk about the complete game?

Your listings speak volumes. The Marble madnes game isn't an exception, it is a pattern, it is a strategy, it is intentional misleading for the sake of profit of a crook.

What really bothers me are your attempts to justify your crooked ways. They don't make sense, are ridiculous, and are just laughable to everyone who has his head screwed on the right way. Your pseudo-facts and 'prove me wrong'-babble are the strategy of scam artists who try to turn tables.

Don't embarrass yourself furthermore. If you do crooked stuff, others will call you what you are. All too common or not on ebay, you walk and quak like a duck. I think it is important to point that out because of all the honest ebay sellers out there who address shortcomings, are honest, and don't intentionally mislead and don't use euphemisms.

IMAGINE THAT!!!!...there are guys out there and on this site who would never ever act like you. There are still honest people out there. You are not one of them.

[qbertandernie]

oh, and of my 702 feedbacks i have 5 negs.

first came from a seller that sent an item that was different from pictured, had inflated shipping and offered a refund of the purchase price only. i leave neg, he negs me back.

second came from a game that was only partially pictured, the part out of frame was badly damaged. i asked for a refund, they said no. i leave a neg i get one back.

third came from a game gear game - woody pop - listed as 'mint' - came with peeling label and sticky crap all over it. seller will not give refund, responds simply with 'get a life'. this guy had to lie to make $5!! i leave a neg i get one back.

fourth came from a buyer, finally, who never received his item. id have given a full refund, but he wouldnt respond after leaving the neg and not notifiying me the item did not arrive.

fifth came from a buyer that said shed pay next wednesday, then paid after 23 days! i had already resold the item. i refunded her money, she leaves me a neg.

so not everyone has this many problems, or problems dealing with mislabeling or misrepresentation. not all ebay sellers are guilty of these things! this is not something that EVERYONE does! i dont mean to flame, but feel i need to defend the few holdouts who still think that honesty is admirable.

[raregamergirl]

I actually did have the line in the auctions before explaining that the photo may be a stock photo and items will be in better condition than pictured or the item pictured but then you recieve infinite amount of emails asking for a picture etc so that line was taken out. it caused more chaos than good. as stated, I would rather the user be surprised the item is in better shape than pictured than the other way around. they should expect nothing less than what is pictured at all. never ever ever is a non mint item added with the picture of a mint item. I will in fact add back in a similar line though into my auctions explaining it may be a stock photo though as that is one of the few good ideas posted here.

[Daria]

I understand some people want to prove a point by copying and pasting her previous feedback or linking it for all to see.

However, it seems like a couple of these same people are participating because they have a hard-on to "pad" their post count or get "noticed" by more popular members.

If you mean the auctions I linked to, she kept asking someone to do it.

[devils advocate]

I dont have time to sit here and type the exact situation for any of those feedback but it seems like virtually all of them are over
a) user claiming to not recieve item (as stated almost all are outside the US) and then recieving a full refund by me
b) user complaining of shipping. I dont control the post office. most of the shipping issues were also outside the US and anyone who ships outside the US knows that is wildly unpredicatble. I am not responsible for the slow post office
c) an item was disk only (and pictured and described as disk only) yet user apparently expected more
d) packaging issues (I use bubble wrap and secure bubble mailers, but for some this is not enough. the main issues seemed to be with guides here in the feedback comments though which makes sense considering the weight I suppose but its difficult to mail guides and have them arrive perfect)
e) 4 of the comments (out of about 1000 positive comments) state item not as described (and had nothing to do with shipping or them expecting something not included)

thats about all the feedback comments.

How about the 6-7 in their that blatantly state you misrepresented the condition of the item? Forget about those ones?

Remember. That is only a random sampling of the TWO HUNDRED or so neutrals,negatives and mutually withdrawn comments.

[devils advocate]

I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong about the retaliatory feedbacks as well. You promised you would,you know.

You really can not find ONE where you didn't retaliate after the person gave you a negative.. Can you?

I couldn't. And I really did look through every one.

[raregamergirl]

question 1) as stated MANY times, chances are it is a stock photo if it is listed as mint and not. there are also other possibilities such as certain items included ARE mint while others are not. I only do this for the game disk or the cart. if one of those 2 is mint, mint can go in the title as it accurately describes what is included. the picture and description then explain the package is not mint
2) I do not understand this question. I have already explained it many times. both copies were complete. one was mint. the box and cart on both were, therefore mint is a viable term
3) again, the GAME is mint but the PACKAGE as a whole may NOT be.

if I was not being honest then why in the world would the description state the description?
why in the WORLD would I picture an item that is either worse or the same condition? why not better?
shoot, why not just use stock photo's supplied by ebay and just explain you recieve the game and let the buyer figure it out?
I have already explained multiple times that I feel the word mint can be used to describe anything included. if the cart is mint, then mint can be used in the title. if you were selling the item cart only and it were mint, you would use mint so why not if the other items are not? it is, however, as I have explained NOT correct to describe it incorrectly or picture it as being better than it is. I do the OPPOSITE for my items. I picture the WORST of the items! of course the buyer will notice! I put the condition and the title right next to each other in the very first 2 lines! I put them in colored text!

[raregamergirl]

there were only FOUR of those feedback that state item was not as described that do NOT have to do with shipping damage. I already pointed those out in step E

[devils advocate]

there were only FOUR of those feedback that state item was not as described that do NOT have to do with shipping damage. I already pointed those out in step E



I guess you can't count. There were seven.

And this was only a VERY SMALL sample of your feedback.

And come on, are you going to prove me wrong about the retaliatory negs or what? Or is this just going to turn out like all of the imaginary "proof" of shipping that you won't show any of your customers who leave negs?

[devils advocate]

Oh, and with all the time you,ve spent here, you could of left most of those positive feedbacks you never give out. More dedication to the customer.

[raregamergirl]

Wrong, here are the ones

1) Item is not "mint like new" , it was very dirty and took a few tries to work.
Buyer mike-9882( 9 ) Sep-08-06 12:03 250022947985

2) disk was scratched, game stopped functioning after minimal progression
Buyer wongkr( 7 ) Sep-05-06 23:16 250015241124
Reply by raregamergirl: Item worked perfect when mailed with no scratches, user never emailed me at all Sep-06-06 09:03

3) game and case were not "mint" as quoted. quick delivery though.
Buyer bzachariah( 14) Sep-04-06 16:11 250020046936

4) Not mint like stated, one disc damaged and needs fixing, mostly works though
Buyer frozents( 7 ) Aug-22-06 16:22 250016208750


Prompt Delivery - But item arrived damaged, poorly wraped
Buyer bonx02( 31) Sep-06-06 03:05 250016891866
Reply by raregamergirl: this item was bubble wrapped securely then put into a secure mailer Sep-06-06 09:02
had nothing to do with quality of item or condition, item arrived damaged as the package was opened in between he and I


Book isn't in great condition, wasn't packaged well like stated in description
Buyer 517mark( 42) Sep-02-06 11:41 250021900839
Reply by raregamergirl: Wrapped ENTIRELY in bubble wrap securely then put into secure mailer Sep-02-06 11:55
guide was packaged well but apparently not well enough. item arrived opened and SOMEwhat damaged (corner was open, had small damage, offered full refund, item was exactly as described though)

not in excellentcondition as advertised
Buyer menelach( 5 ) Aug-29-06 17:50 250017616051
Reply by raregamergirl: User apparently expected boxes/ manuals CLEARLY not included! items as described Aug-29-06 18:23
the carts were in like new flawless condition, boxes and manuals not included and buyer was apparently expecting them. item was just as described though

Just received product. It plays very well, but isn't what I originally expected.
Buyer gryphonclaw1805( 7 ) Aug-26-06 19:59 250018682341
game was exactly as described but was disk only and apparently they expected something else (not sure why) exactly as described


as stated that is FOUR that have nothing to do with expectations or shipping issues

[devils advocate]

And you left every one of them retaliatory negatives I see.

Have that proof yet?

[raregamergirl]

As I told you, it will take me hours to review my feedback and I will get to it in the next week and let you know. I have not started, nor will I, until I can complete it. that is a LOT to go through.

[raregamergirl]

actually, checked the first one. here you go
Not Recommended! Non working game described as new, no refund in 3 months...etc
Buyer josemanuelmexico( 24) Sep-13-06 06:26 104753645338
Reply by raregamergirl: User lives outside the US. game was flawless and was tested, they never returned Sep-13-06 20:23


so where is that $10 you were going to donate?

[devils advocate]

As I told you, it will take me hours to review my feedback and I will get to it in the next week and let you know. I have not started, nor will I, until I can complete it. that is a LOT to go through.

use autohaus on it. Everyone else is.


Took me about twenty minutes to cross reference every user who left you a neg, to see that you always give them one back. Regardless of the scenario.

[sisko]

I just have one last thing to say before posting the obligatory kitten pictures.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/natev/mscrabtreemint.jpg

And now for the kittens!

http://www.dailykitten.com/kittens/marsha.jpg
http://www.dailykitten.com/kittens/1156130806Bean-on-Back.jpg
http://www.dailykitten.com/kittens/1156117454P1020217.jpg

That is all :)

[raregamergirl]

I just proved you wrong on the first feedback already! I dont even know what that is but I will go through my feedback on my own, thank you.

[devils advocate]

actually, checked the first one. here you go
Not Recommended! Non working game described as new, no refund in 3 months...etc
Buyer josemanuelmexico( 24) Sep-13-06 06:26 104753645338
Reply by raregamergirl: User lives outside the US. game was flawless and was tested, they never returned Sep-13-06 20:23


so where is that $10 you were going to donate?


The guy just put it in. Look at the date. And now look how long it takes you to respond to any of the others. You just hadn't got to him yet. Check the next one down, then keep on going!!!!!

[raregamergirl]

He put it in nearly 48 hours ago and I already replied to it. I leave negative feedback immediately. If I was going to leave feedback, it would have been done at the exact same time as my reply. Check ANY feedback left and my reply, within a minute of each other.

[raregamergirl]

So please donate that $10 to DP now

thanks

[devils advocate]

He put it in nearly 48 hours ago and I already replied to it. I leave negative feedback immediately. If I was going to leave feedback, it would have been done at the exact same time as my reply. Check ANY feedback left and my reply, within a minute of each other.


So, 113 individual users get negatives, not including multiple auctions.
76 mutual retractions that certainly were negatives, until your retaliation.

And the ONLY SINGLE ONE where you didn't, is the most current one, where you have not responded at all..For the first time EVER.

You're grasping at straws. And I think I'm going to bed now.

[raregamergirl]

Lol, you are proven wrong and you know it. It is not the 1st one ever either. I will find you more. It was just the 1st I looked at. I will be expecting you to donate that $10 as you promised to DP

also, please check your facts, all but a 20 or so of my mutual feedback withdrawls were over neutral feedback. since when is mutual feedback withdrawl a bad thing? if it was withrdrew that means the situation was taken care of. check the feedback. virtually all the instances were over an item not arriving and it ended up showing up.

[devils advocate]

Lol, you are proven wrong and you know it. It is not the 1st one ever either. I will find you more. It was just the 1st I looked at. I will be expecting you to donate that $10 as you promised to DP

also, please check your facts, all but a 20 or so of my mutual feedback withdrawls were over neutral feedback. since when is mutual feedback withdrawl a bad thing? if it was withrdrew that means the situation was taken care of. check the feedback. virtually all the instances were over an item not arriving and it ended up showing up.

Yeah you're right. You did prove me wrong. There is ONE single solitary negative feedback that has been left for you, where you did not post a retaliatory feedback. It also happens to be the most current one. So yeah, you really showed me.

Find one more. Come on, you're here and you said you could do it.

[devils advocate]

Lol, you are proven wrong and you know it. It is not the 1st one ever either. I will find you more. It was just the 1st I looked at. I will be expecting you to donate that $10 as you promised to DP


Imagine that. The very first one you looked at was the newest one, which you hadn't given ANY response to yet.

You got me good. I give up. My hands are in the air. I can not compete with your level of intellect. So i won't even try.

[raregamergirl]

Correct me if I am wrong but my comment where I reply to the feedback is left within 5 minutes of leaving feedback EVERY time?
If I was going to leave negative feedback, then why did I not leave it 48 hours ago when I replied to the feedback?
As stated, I will go through the feedback later. You said find one and I did. I will find you more but you already lost so I think you owe DP that $10 as you agreed.

[devils advocate]

Correct me if I am wrong but my comment where I reply to the feedback is left within 5 minutes of leaving feedback EVERY time?
If I was going to leave negative feedback, then why did I not leave it 48 hours ago when I replied to the feedback?
As stated, I will go through the feedback later. You said find one and I did. I will find you more but you already lost so I think you owe DP that $10 as you agreed.


Actually, I'll give Joe 20.00USD. But in 91 days, when you have NO CHANCE of leaving that poor guy a neg.

If I've saved one innocent person any of your crap, it's worth the 20 bucks to me. I'll be watching it.

We'll call the extra ten "interest" on the amount owed to Joe.

Oh, and I will pay. You can count on that. I'm an HONEST person.

But remember, keep your trigger finger off that neg button for the entire span of time allowed.

[raregamergirl]

You do realize that 90 day thing is a myth? feedback can be given 6 months after an auction and technically even longer if you know how to do it. it only removes it from the feedback section of ebay after 90 days. after that you have to leave it via the auction. you can only view the auction for 6 months but there are still other ways to leave feedback even after that.

[ChronoTriggaFoo]

Title: "RareGamerGirl Complete Mint Honest Trustworthy"

Description: "RareGamerGirl is complete and in great condition. Face, neck, stomach, arms, hands, legs and toes are honest and in trustworthy shape.

Pic:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/spidey300/rgg.jpg

[devils advocate]

You do realize that 90 day thing is a myth? feedback can be given 6 months after an auction and technically even longer if you know how to do it. it only removes it from the feedback section of ebay after 90 days. after that you have to leave it via the auction. you can only view the auction for 6 months but there are still other ways to leave feedback even after that.

I think we'll just wait that 90 days regardless. I also think an anonymous good samaritan Ebayer may link that buyer to this thread. Then he can keep us updated. (not me of course)

FInd any others? Care to go double or nothing on that first ten?

[devils advocate]

Title: "RareGamerGirl Complete Mint Honest Trustworthy"

Description: "RareGamerGirl is complete and in great condition. Face, neck, stomach, arms, hands, legs and toes are honest and in trustworthy shape.

Pic:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/spidey300/rgg.jpg


Mint in box.........ewwwwwww.

[Sniderman]

OK, I'm gonna make the call to close this thread. Everyone has made his or her "point" and this has run its course.