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Garry Silljo
09-22-2006, 07:59 PM
Are you tired? You've done a lot of back peddling.You bitch about things in one post, and then claim not be bothered by them in the next, and repeat on an endless loop. What's worse is you repeat the same stuff over and over and when some one doesnt agree with you, you take disagreement as not understanding, and then say it again, and again, and again. I'm confused ... do you yhink Wii is a soped up Gamecube????? Please, don't answer that.



I don't know why you think you mean a lot to me.

Do you honestly not know? Nearly every post you've made recently has been attacking Anthony. I'm not going to take sides but you're getting pretty annoying.

Yes, I know. I'm tired of it myself. I've tried to walk away twice before, but he has no off switch, not even a slower speed. How covered in flies can a man get before he just has to start swatting wildly? I promise I'll TRY to police my frustrations in other ways in the future. All the blame can't be on me though, there's two of us, and only one of us is even TRYING to stand down.

Frankie23
09-22-2006, 10:07 PM
I've agreed with most everything that you've said so far but I have to point out that you have no way of knowing that it is making a "pretty considerable" profit. They simply said that it was a profit. There is absolutely NO data to tell us how much. They could be making $0.47 on these things and that's still profitable or they might only cost $50 to make it and they're making $200 (yes, that's an exaggeration) on each console. We simply don't know and therefore can't speculate. That's my only objection. Otherwise, spot on.


Well, it's pretty easy to determine that their profit is considerable, when you consider what a Wii is. It's an enhanced GameCube. A souped up GameCube. Nintendo currently sells brand new GameCube's for $79.99, and they are likely making a small profit off of them, even at that price. So let's say for argument's sake that it cost them $60 to manufacture a GameCube (it's probably quite a bit less by now). With the Wii being a souped up Cube, you would have to expect that while it costs more than $60 to manufacture, it probably doesn't cost a tremendous amount more. Let's just say for the sake of argument that it costs them double to manufacture a Wii (probably costs them less, but lets be on the safe side). That would take it to $120. Then let's look at the controller and nunchaku. The controller sells individually for $39.99 and the nunchaku sells for $19.99. That's $60 total, but I'm guessing they manufacture it for less than half that, but lets be generous and say it's half. Ok, that's $30. Now we are at $150.00. The AC Adapter, included cables, packaging, Wii Sports disk an manual, probably cost less than $20, but lets be on the safe side and say that it costs $20. That takes us to $170. Now, to be extra safe, lets add another $10 on top, just for any extra things we might be forgetting. Ok, now we are at $180. Personally, I think it doesn't even cost them close to $180 to bring that package to market, but for the sake of argument, I'll agree that it's $180. Then they have to sell it to retailers. The retailers get a cut. Normally retailers buy consoles for a few dollars less than retail and don't make anything off it, but with Nintendo talking about how they are making a profit from Jump Street, they have to give the retailer a cut too, or they would piss them off to a large degree. I'll say that retailers get to purchase the Wii for about $235 and sell it for $249.99.


So if you conisder all that, then Nintendo is likely making somewhere in the neighborhood of $55 profit off each Wii sold. If you do the math, $54.9978 is 22 percent profit on the $249.99 product. For a video game console launch, 22 percent profit is definitely considerable. Now, you can say that I pulled all those numbers out of my ass, and you would be right, but..... There have been reports on various websites that the Wii costs about $170 to manufacture, sure these reports are unsubstantiated, but $170 is right in line with my $180 prediction. You can consider my numbers to be total bullshit, and nowhere near the truth, but I'm guessing I'm within 10 percent of a correct guess on either side of the equation.

Do you not understand the concept of Reasearch and Development? Nintendo's "cost" on each Wii unit is more than just the base materials, it's all the money that has gone into developing and refining them. Just looking at the materials used in it's construction is just looking at half of the picture. Realistically, you won't be able to figure out the average cost of constructing a Wii retail package until they stop producing the damn thing, and go back and analyze each step of the way. Even then, it'd be damn near impossible.

Frankie23
09-22-2006, 10:07 PM
I guess I expected the TOTAL amount of buying a Wii and a few extra's like Zelda and another controller to be 249...

But I honestly do feel that Nintendo does, and will apeal to the cansual gamer for some strange reason. I can actually see my mom playing this thing vs the 360 or PS3 in the near future.

Huh? What, did you think it was going to be a $150 system, with a $40 controller and $60 Zelda? Your math is a bit off, my boy-o. I do completely agree with your second point though; I can easily see my mom playing Wii Golf and loving it. Not so much with Halo.

Icarus Moonsight
09-23-2006, 12:55 AM
All this shit is getting real stupid; "Wii isn't next-gen", "Waaaa, it's too expensive", "OMG, evil nasty Nintendo is making a PROFIT!!! Those bastards!", "Pack-in game? That's an antiquated practice now isn't it? Boo to Nintendo!" and all the other pointless dribble being oozed into an otherwise worthwhile thread. It's all well and good to disagree... but first be sure your standing on firm ground before sharing your opinions. Otherwise, you just end up playing asshat on the internet.


I'll go ahead and assume that all of the above comments are directed at me. The reason I make my threads long, is to make a real attempt at not having my statements and comments "mis-interpreted". Unfortunately, it appears that this is impossible, because everybody seems to come away with the general idea that I'm anti-Nintendo and anti-Wii and all that crap. I'll say it once, and I'll say it a thousand times, I'm buying a Wii on day one, and I sure as heck wouldn't be buying one, if I wasn't excited about getting one. I'm not going to drop $300+ on something that I have no interest in. I'm very excited about the possibilities of gaming on the Wii.

The above was directed at more posters than just you Anthony. Of whom I was refering to, you do seem to be the ringleader or majorette of the spewage of ofal bitchiness. The only parallel I can draw between us in this regard is I really love my PS2 games; Guitar Hero, Katamari and soon Okami ect. On the otherhand I dispise the PS2 hardware. My "gripe" is not some intangable feeling or a under-realization of an prelaunch expectation. My "whine" is having to buy 3 systems to play those games I enjoy so. Two at $300 and the other at $200 for a total of $800 just in Sony POS hardware. I felt trapped into two of these purchases due to the amount of time and money I put into the systems software and I never want to go through that on a current gen gaming system again... ever. I may have bought the PStwo slim even if my first system lasted long enough, but at this point who knows. *shrug* Only thing I do know is that it is extreamly unlikely that I will be onboard with Sony again until they shape up... IF they survive. The strength of the PS2 install-base makes this quite possible if not assured.

Switching gears(companies): I'm still on my first Gamecube which I paid $150 for and recieved a pack-in game!!! (OMFG! LOL sorry couldn't help it) The pack-in was Zelda: Collectors Edition. This inclusion tipped the scales on my decision to buy a Gamecube. So yeah, I do consider poo poo'ing a pack-in game kinda odd, because it is exactly what people want.

In my house, the Gamecube has delivered more fun than the PS2's have, dollar for dollar. Yet, I'd place them both equal as far as an overall experience... save for quality, which the GC had in spades by comparison. Value, fun and quality. Kinda hard to bitch about that. :D

So now that I have shared a little more can you not understand why I am just a little befuddled? I am by no means attacking you Anthony and if I gave that impression I apologize. I happen to be very confused by your posts. They seem to be bi-polar one day and manic the next. The crack about post-length was just that, a crack. I've noticed you getting shelled lately and I couldn't help but push the shiney-red glowing button. I am a sarcastic and cynical person by nature and sometimes that rubs people the wrong way and really it doesn't bother me so much. My personality doesn't translate well into text, but who's does? That said, I just can't stand wasting my time reading huge dissertations about how expensive the cheapest gaming system is. It's so illogical it makes my skin crawl. This also leads me to belive that your opinion is based off of bias rather than experience, because hell, the Wii or damn PS3 isn't even out yet... What experience are you speaking from? At this point we all have to be objective.

My cheif complaint is I'm left reading really long posts that go NOWHERE. Hoping that somewhere your part of the discussion will take off then I'm left with little but a big giant WTF?!?... I can't understand, relate or even comprehend. You'd be a little fumed too me thinks.

So... how about that Wii eh? What launch games are you guys looking to pick up? I am a little let down that Prime 3 got pushed back. Even still, Wii has one of the best launch line-ups in game history IMO. At the very least, since the DC launch 9.9.99. Would have been cool if Sony or Nintendo launched June 6th this year 6.6.06. LOL

Damien Inside... to hell with Intel. :P

Bronty-2
09-23-2006, 11:55 AM
That said, I just can't stand wasting my time reading huge dissertations about how expensive the cheapest gaming system is. It's so illogical it makes my skin crawl. This also leads me to belive that your opinion is based off of bias rather than experience, because hell, the Wii or damn PS3 isn't even out yet... What experience are you speaking from? At this point we all have to be objective.

My cheif complaint is I'm left reading really long posts that go NOWHERE. :P

amen

Fuyukaze
09-26-2006, 01:44 AM
For a not for profit company like Nintendo, they are charging too much money for their Atari 2600 version 1.5. Seriously, this has got to be the biggest joke ever! Sony's new Playstation 3 looks alot more affordable at it's $600 price then Nintendo's $250 price tag. I can spent twice the price...wait...twice the price? Your f'n joking me right? TWICE THE DAMNED PRICE????? THAT'S CHEAPER??? I may be simple minded. I may even be slow. Even I can see where twice the price means MORE MONEY SPENT. Exactly when did Nintendo set any prices in stone? Exactly when has Nintendo agreed to sell their hardware at a loss? Who did they make this agreement with? If you hate Nintendo and want them to go under, that's fine. Sometimes people hate things for no better a reason then to just hate it. I hate spinich an cabbage. I also hate the Houston Texans. I even hate the Lifetime telivision network. I wont give BS reasons to justify it though.

SkiDragon
09-26-2006, 09:28 AM
http://ruliweb2.dreamwiz.com/ruliboard/read.htm?num=4687&table=game_nin02&main=nin

Take a look. Somebody took apart a numchuck attachment. Basically, like I thought, it's a third of a normal controller with an accelerometer thrown in. No way in hell that should be $20.

business
09-26-2006, 10:18 AM
http://ruliweb2.dreamwiz.com/ruliboard/read.htm?num=4687&table=game_nin02&main=nin

Take a look. Somebody took apart a numchuck attachment. Basically, like I thought, it's a third of a normal controller with an accelerometer thrown in. No way in hell that should be $20.

I have absolutely no clue what you just said, but I agree with you.

fucking accelerometer...

jajaja
09-26-2006, 10:26 AM
lol that piece of plastic and the little board cost $20 ? :) Well.. development costs is also included + they want to make money.

Anthony1
09-26-2006, 01:21 PM
For a not for profit company like Nintendo, they are charging too much money for their Atari 2600 version 1.5. Seriously, this has got to be the biggest joke ever! Sony's new Playstation 3 looks alot more affordable at it's $600 price then Nintendo's $250 price tag. I can spent twice the price...wait...twice the price? Your f'n joking me right? TWICE THE DAMNED PRICE????? THAT'S CHEAPER??? I may be simple minded. I may even be slow. Even I can see where twice the price means MORE MONEY SPENT. Exactly when did Nintendo set any prices in stone? Exactly when has Nintendo agreed to sell their hardware at a loss? Who did they make this agreement with? If you hate Nintendo and want them to go under, that's fine. Sometimes people hate things for no better a reason then to just hate it. I hate spinich an cabbage. I also hate the Houston Texans. I even hate the Lifetime telivision network. I wont give BS reasons to justify it though.



Ever heard of the word "value"? Apparently not. Something could cost $100, and have more value than a similar item priced at $10. The people that are saying the Wii is super cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 are totally missing the point. The Wii can't be compared to those systems. The Wii is a souped up version of the 5 year old GameCube. You can't compare that directly with true next-gen technology. Comparing the Wii against those other 2 consoles is pretty pointless.


Also, you, like some of the others in this thread, seem to think I hate Nintendo. Considering the Super Nintendo is my favorite video game system of all time, that's kinda strange. The SNES is my favorite system of all time, (primarily because of Nintendo's own games!) yet I hate Nintendo. Yeah...right.


Now, please don't twist my words up, and think that I'm saying the 360 or PS3 has more "value" than the Wii, because I didn't say that. What I did say is that there is a word called "value" that you seem to be forgetting. It's not just about the price of the system. It's about what you are getting for the price. Also, please understand that while I think Nintendo is overcharging for the Wii, I totally understand why they are doing it, and I also believe that they aren't overcharging by that huge a margin. This really isn't that big a deal. Again, I'm going to be in line on November 17th, with $350+ in hand to get my Nintendo Wii, and a extra Wii-mote and Nunchuck. If I really hated Nintendo or the Wii, why the hell would I spend $350 of my hard earned cash on it? Sure, I would prefer the Wii to be $199.99 with or without a pack in, and I would prefer the extra Wii-motes and nunchucks to be a little bit more affordable, but this isn't that big a freaking deal. Get over it! It's a minor gripe for me, and nothing more, why are you trying to blow this thing way out of proportion? Since when did it become illegal to make any complaints against Nintendo? I was pissed off last year about the 360 having two versions, one without a hard drive and one with, yet nobody got on my ass about that. x_x

Fuyukaze
09-26-2006, 04:11 PM
Ever heard of the word "value"? Apparently not. Something could cost $100, and have more value than a similar item priced at $10.

Actualy I do know of this odd little word called "value". It's a term often subject to the biased opinions of the one using it in an effort to overlook actual prices. Something could have thousands worth of hardware in it for half the cost, and yet still be more expensive then comparable items. Considering it to have more value is realy up to the consumer though because if they cant afford it, the cheaper will always look to have the most "value" to it. Realy, it's all in the eye of the beholder on this one.


The people that are saying the Wii is super cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 are totally missing the point.

249.99 vs 299.99/399.99 vs 499.99/599.99. Those prices are a point I'm not missing. Perhaps you and your gifted "math" skills could help point out where pricing differences dont matter any?


The Wii can't be compared to those systems. The Wii is a souped up version of the 5 year old GameCube.You can't compare that directly with true next-gen technology. Comparing the Wii against those other 2 consoles is pretty pointless.


This is getting old. The only comparison between the three is the one thing that matters most to the casual gamer. Price. Dispite the general feeling on this and a number of other gaming boards, we are still the minority when it comes to gaming purchases. That's right. We are a minority. It may not have the proccesors of the PS3, it may not even have the same as 360. Its got a great price and that gives it a better start then either of the other two.


Also, you, like some of the others in this thread, seem to think I hate Nintendo. Considering the Super Nintendo is my favorite video game system of all time, that's kinda strange. The SNES is my favorite system of all time, (primarily because of Nintendo's own games!) yet I hate Nintendo. Yeah...right.
This is a bit off as I never exactly said you hated Nintendo but said "If you hate Nintendo....". I never realy thought of you as someone who hates a particular gaming company or one who loves a particular company either. Honestly I've always thought of you more as a gaming parasite. Someone who's actualy more of a parasite then a gamer. By your own admision you only rent unless the title's been heavly discounted. That kinda makes you a parasite by definition. Also I'm surprised you'd list the SNES as a favorite. I consider it one of the best systems if not the best Nintendo has ever released. Perhaps you could let me know the online rental place you use that still has SNES games for rental?



Now, please don't twist my words up, and think that I'm saying the 360 or PS3 has more "value" than the Wii, because I didn't say that. What I did say is that there is a word called "value" that you seem to be forgetting. It's not just about the price of the system. It's about what you are getting for the price. Also, please understand that while I think Nintendo is overcharging for the Wii, I totally understand why they are doing it, and I also believe that they aren't overcharging by that huge a margin. This really isn't that big a deal.

Sure, I would prefer the Wii to be $199.99 with or without a pack in, and I would prefer the extra Wii-motes and nunchucks to be a little bit more affordable, but this isn't that big a freaking deal. Get over it! It's a minor gripe for me, and nothing more, why are you trying to blow this thing way out of proportion? Since when did it become illegal to make any complaints against Nintendo? I was pissed off last year about the 360 having two versions, one without a hard drive and one with, yet nobody got on my ass about that. x_x

I could almost believe you except you've done great to damage your arguments as well as your defense. Within almost every thread concerning the Wii you've brought up the price and your value mathmatics over how expensive the Wii is. I'd perfer everything to be more affordable. I'd like it if games could be affordable. Systems could be affordable. You know what I wish for more, afordable rent. It's not become illegal to make complaints about any game company. In fact, it's often incouraged exspecialy when the arguments for or against are valid. You come off as being bitchy and whiny though because you leave the impresion of that's all you do. You've been here long enough. Isnt it time you stop looking at everything with your rose colored glasses? For the record, I personaly think the Wii will fail on the simple ground that everything about it shouts out Dreamcast. Great games, new inovation, and a nice price. Everything most modern gamers want. Just missing the 4 letters some want on their system.



Again, I'm going to be in line on November 17th, with $350+ in hand to get my Nintendo Wii, and a extra Wii-mote and Nunchuck. If I really hated Nintendo or the Wii, why the hell would I spend $350 of my hard earned cash on it?
Who was it that said their plans was to pick one up, never open it, and then sell it on E-bay? Profit makes one hell of a motivation for buying stuff you normaly wouldnt. People do it all the time. Baseball cards, comics, beanie babies, tickle me elmo dolls and so much more are good examples. Realy, this is funny.

useless adition:
Oh, and some recent polls are even claiming the gender break down of those buying games puts women at over 40 percent.

Fuyukaze
09-26-2006, 04:12 PM
Ever heard of the word "value"? Apparently not. Something could cost $100, and have more value than a similar item priced at $10.

Actualy I do know of this odd little word called "value". It's a term often subject to the biased opinions of the one using it in an effort to overlook actual prices. Something could have thousands worth of hardware in it for half the cost, and yet still be more expensive then comparable items. Considering it to have more value is realy up to the consumer though because if they cant afford it, the cheaper will always look to have the most "value" to it. Realy, it's all in the eye of the beholder on this one.


The people that are saying the Wii is super cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 are totally missing the point.

249.99 vs 299.99/399.99 vs 499.99/599.99. Those prices are a point I'm not missing. Perhaps you and your gifted "math" skills could help point out where pricing differences dont matter any?


The Wii can't be compared to those systems. The Wii is a souped up version of the 5 year old GameCube.You can't compare that directly with true next-gen technology. Comparing the Wii against those other 2 consoles is pretty pointless.


This is getting old. The only comparison between the three is the one thing that matters most to the casual gamer. Price. Dispite the general feeling on this and a number of other gaming boards, we are still the minority when it comes to gaming purchases. That's right. We are a minority. It may not have the proccesors of the PS3, it may not even have the same as 360. Its got a great price and that gives it a better start then either of the other two.


Also, you, like some of the others in this thread, seem to think I hate Nintendo. Considering the Super Nintendo is my favorite video game system of all time, that's kinda strange. The SNES is my favorite system of all time, (primarily because of Nintendo's own games!) yet I hate Nintendo. Yeah...right.
This is a bit off as I never exactly said you hated Nintendo but said "If you hate Nintendo....". I never realy thought of you as someone who hates a particular gaming company or one who loves a particular company either. Honestly I've always thought of you more as a gaming parasite. Someone who's actualy more of a parasite then a gamer. By your own admision you only rent unless the title's been heavly discounted. That kinda makes you a parasite by definition. Also I'm surprised you'd list the SNES as a favorite. I consider it one of the best systems if not the best Nintendo has ever released. Perhaps you could let me know the online rental place you use that still has SNES games for rental?



Now, please don't twist my words up, and think that I'm saying the 360 or PS3 has more "value" than the Wii, because I didn't say that. What I did say is that there is a word called "value" that you seem to be forgetting. It's not just about the price of the system. It's about what you are getting for the price. Also, please understand that while I think Nintendo is overcharging for the Wii, I totally understand why they are doing it, and I also believe that they aren't overcharging by that huge a margin. This really isn't that big a deal.

Sure, I would prefer the Wii to be $199.99 with or without a pack in, and I would prefer the extra Wii-motes and nunchucks to be a little bit more affordable, but this isn't that big a freaking deal. Get over it! It's a minor gripe for me, and nothing more, why are you trying to blow this thing way out of proportion? Since when did it become illegal to make any complaints against Nintendo? I was pissed off last year about the 360 having two versions, one without a hard drive and one with, yet nobody got on my ass about that. x_x

I could almost believe you except you've done great to damage your arguments as well as your defense. Within almost every thread concerning the Wii you've brought up the price and your value mathmatics over how expensive the Wii is. I'd perfer everything to be more affordable. I'd like it if games could be affordable. Systems could be affordable. You know what I wish for more, afordable rent. It's not become illegal to make complaints about any game company. In fact, it's often incouraged exspecialy when the arguments for or against are valid. You come off as being bitchy and whiny though because you leave the impresion of that's all you do. You've been here long enough. Isnt it time you stop looking at everything with your rose colored glasses? For the record, I personaly think the Wii will fail on the simple ground that everything about it shouts out Dreamcast. Great games, new inovation, and a nice price. Everything most modern gamers want. Just missing the 4 letters some want on their system.



Again, I'm going to be in line on November 17th, with $350+ in hand to get my Nintendo Wii, and a extra Wii-mote and Nunchuck. If I really hated Nintendo or the Wii, why the hell would I spend $350 of my hard earned cash on it?
Who was it that said their plans was to pick one up, never open it, and then sell it on E-bay? Profit makes one hell of a motivation for buying stuff you normaly wouldnt. People do it all the time. Baseball cards, comics, beanie babies, tickle me elmo dolls and so much more are good examples. Realy, this is funny.

useless adition:
Oh, and some recent polls are even claiming the gender break down of those buying games puts women at over 40 percent.

Garry Silljo
09-26-2006, 04:37 PM
Ever heard of the word "value"? Apparently not. Something could cost $100, and have more value than a similar item priced at $10. The people that are saying the Wii is super cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 are totally missing the point. The Wii can't be compared to those systems. The Wii is a souped up version of the 5 year old GameCube. You can't compare that directly with true next-gen technology. Comparing the Wii against those other 2 consoles is pretty pointless.


You keep saying the systems can't be compared, and we've all heard your souped up Gamecube line about 100 times now. Here's a fact. I can compare anything I want. I can compare the PS3 to a lint roller if I want. It will not be a good comparison, but it CAN be done, so don't tell people "The Wii can't be compared to those systems." Second, you seem to constantly confuse disagreement with a lack of understanding. People disagree with theories or statements of yours and you post the exact same reply 100 times in a row, assuming they don't understand what you are saying. They understand, they just don't agree. Bring something new.

Lastly, to Fuyukaze. Trust me. You can actually yell at a brickwall until it crumbles from the force of your words before Anthony sees a point that is not his own. You should learn from my mistake and just walk away now. I'm going to try that again right now actually....

Anthony1
09-26-2006, 04:50 PM
[quote="Fuyukaze"] By your own admision you only rent unless the title's been heavly discounted. That kinda makes you a parasite by definition. Also I'm surprised you'd list the SNES as a favorite. I consider it one of the best systems if not the best Nintendo has ever released. Perhaps you could let me know the online rental place you use that still has SNES games for rental?
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Ok, so I'm a parasite because I rent games? O_O I see. You do understand that if people didn't rent games, then GameFly and Blockbuster and Hollywood Video, etc, etc, wouldn't be "buying" games to then rent to people. The more people that rent, means more games that have to be bought to be able to be rented. Video game companies loose more from the "resale" market than the "rental" market.


As for renting SNES games, well, my rental only policy is more oriented towards post Dreamcast consoles. There are some high dollar Neo-Geo AES games I would love to rent though, but I don't know any place that offers them up for rent. :D

Anthony1
09-26-2006, 04:54 PM
You should learn from my mistake and just walk away now



How can he learn anything from you, when you keep showing up in this thread trying to discredit my takes with nonsense LOL

studvicious
09-26-2006, 05:10 PM
Ever heard of the word "value"? Apparently not. Something could cost $100, and have more value than a similar item priced at $10. The people that are saying the Wii is super cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 are totally missing the point. The Wii can't be compared to those systems. The Wii is a souped up version of the 5 year old GameCube. You can't compare that directly with true next-gen technology. Comparing the Wii against those other 2 consoles is pretty pointless.


Actually, if we really want to get down to it The Wii is a little bit more powerful than the Xbox. The Xbox retails at $179.00 - that's about a $70 difference to the Wii. So you have to ask yourself.. "is a new gameplay experience worth $70???" Of course it is!!! That my friend, is value.

Anthony1
09-26-2006, 05:15 PM
we've all heard your souped up Gamecube line about 100 times now



Actually I can't take credit for the phase "souped up GameCube". It comes from the October 2006 issue of EGM. On page 26 and 27 of that issue, EGM does a little interview with Randy Pitchford, president of Gearbox Software. Here are some excerprts from that interview:



EGM: We know you're working on Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway for the PS3, so tell us: How much more powerfull is the PS3 than the Wii?

Randy Pitchford: From a pure computational power point of view, it's not really fair to compare the PS3 to the Wii. The PS3 is built for speed. The Wii is built for it's unique controller interface. You're going to be able to stretch the limits of next-generation rendering capability on the PS3 over it's life cycle. From a graphics point of view, the Wii will just edge out the best of what was possible in the last generation. From a computing power point of view, the PS3 is a generational leap. The Wii is not.

EGM: Let's be honest...is the Wii merely a souped-up GameCube, at least in terms of graphics?

Randy Pitchford: If we're being honest, then yes....I wouldn't use the word "merely", however. I think the Wii is awesome! It is just that what makes it awesome isn't about computing power - it's about interface, accessibility, usability, and how we think about playing games and interacting with them.




Now, those are just two little excerpts from a longer interview, but EGM was the one that actually coined the phase, "souped up GameCube". Although I do admit that I've heard that phrased used on many a different podcast, as well. Randy Pitchford basically admitted that if you want to get right down to it, the Wii really is nothing more than a somewhat enhanced GameCube. But he also said that the Wii is awesome, and that it's capable of some amazing things. I also agree with this, and that is why I'm buying one on day 1. I know that the Wii is going to have by far the worse graphics of the three systems, and it will probably have the least special effects and razzle dazzle, but I also know that the Wii-Mote and nunchuck are going to provide some radically different gameplay experiences, and I'm really looking forward to that. I'll get plenty of incredible graphics and special effects from the 360 and PS3, but the Wii is going to give me something entirely different and new, and exciting and fresh!



Still, I'm not going to try to convince myself that the Wii is anything other than a souped up GameCube, cause it's not, but that doesn't mean it isn't going to provide it's own unique and special flavor of gaming joy, because it will. I've come to accept that the Wii's graphics are going to be about as good as the best Xbox 1 games, and not much better than that, but that's fine. If the Wii was my only new console, that might be an issue for me, but I've got a 360 and I hope to get a PS3 as well, so I'll be fully covered in the graphics department. I don't need all 3 systems to be graphical powerhouses. :)

Fuyukaze
09-26-2006, 05:32 PM
Ok, so I'm a parasite because I rent games? O_O I see. You do understand that if people didn't rent games, then GameFly and Blockbuster and Hollywood Video, etc, etc, wouldn't be "buying" games to then rent to people. The more people that rent, means more games that have to be bought to be able to be rented. Video game companies loose more from the "resale" market than the "rental" market.


As for renting SNES games, well, my rental only policy is more oriented towards post Dreamcast consoles. There are some high dollar Neo-Geo AES games I would love to rent though, but I don't know any place that offers them up for rent. :D

A store buys 5 copies of a single title, rents it out to 50 people in its rental life span. Of those 50 people who rent it, 20% of them buy the game. 50 people rented the game, 10 people bought the game, and only 15 copies of the game generated any profit for the original company.

Someone buys a game, trades it in at a game store. Someone comes in behind, buys it. One copy was bought, one was traded in, and one was sold used. Only one copy generated profit for the original company. It's true that the second person to buy it at a used price could in turn sell it or trade it in further generating more used buyers but in the intent of avoiding a pointless argument lets keep it simple.

Using these two basic examples, we can see that in the rental more people are able to play the game and pass on picking it up where as in the second, it's done on a unit by unit basis. Yes, two people played the same game in the used. The catch is, of the two only one did not pay full price. You fail to impress on me any sense of a valid argument. Please try again.

jajaja
09-26-2006, 05:59 PM
Fuyukaze: Do i understand you correctly that you say that people who dont buy games within the first month for full price sux? Shouldnt they be allowed to try out the game first instead of buying it or wait for pricedrop? Is that what you're saying or am i missunderstanding something?

Anthony1
09-26-2006, 06:50 PM
The only reason that $59.99 games even exist, is because publishers know they can get away with it. There have been many people in the video game industry that have been saying for a very long time, that if video games were priced like CD's and DVD's and other mainstream media, then consumers would buy many more games and the industry would be better off as a whole.


My rental only strategy has 100 percent to do with simple logic. My logic states that when I can rent a game for $3.50 per month, (that includes Xbox 360, PS3 and Nintendo Wii as well), it isn't logical to even "consider" buying a game that is priced above $29.99. Why is it not logical? Because $29.99 translates to $32.31 (with tax where I live) and if you divide $32.31 by $3.50, you can see that I could rent that game for a little over 9 months for the same amount of money. The fact is, I rarely play a game continuously for 9 months. In fact, if I'm really honest with myself, I typically play them for about 3 or 4 months tops. 3 or 4 months X $3.50 = $10.50 or $14. It's more logical for me to spend $10.50 or $14 on a game than $32.31, and that's assuming the game only cost $29.99, which is much more the exception than the rule. So logic for me dictates this:



above $29.99 = Don't even consider purchasing, unless it is a rare breed game that I will play virtually every day for a year. (last game that met that criteria was NFL2K3 for Xbox 1)

$29.99 = I can actually consider buying this game, but only if I know I'm going to be dedicated to it for at least 5 or 6 months straight, and then as soon as I'm done with it, I must immediately craigslist it.

$24.99 = I can actually consider buying this game, but only if I know I'm going to be dedicated to it for at least 4 or 5 months straight, and then as soon as I'm done with it, I must immediately craigslist it.

$19.99 = This is actually the price were I really truly start to consider a purchase over a long term rental. But there is a scenario in which even a $19.99 doesn't make sense to purchase. That scenario is the scenario in which I play a game heavily for about 2 1/2 months, to never revisit it again. In that scenario, it would cost me $8.75 to rent it for 2 1/2 months, and that would actually be the smarter play. But if I know I'm going to spend at least 4 months playing it, then it's smarter to buy it, and immediately craigslist it as soon as I'm done with it.

$14.99 = Ok, now we are starting to get into the compelling price point where it is more likely intelligent to buy this game then rent it. Even though it only costs me $3.50 per month to rent, $14.99 is a good price, because even when I'm done with it, I could still likely sell it for $5, which means I'm only spending 10 snaps on it. If I play it for less than 3 months, then it might not be the best decision, but at $14.99 I can live dangerously LOL


$9.99 = At $9.99 I enter the land of impulse buy. If this is a game I actually have any real interest in, it's probably better to buy then rent. Sure, I can rent it for only $3.50 for a month, so technically I better play this game more than 2 months, but I'm sure I could sell it to somebody else for like $3.50 when I'm done with it.


Less than $9.99 = Almost always smarter to buy then rent when it's less than $9.99. Only time this isn't the case is if it's a game I just want to try for like 2 weeks. Lego Star Wars II: The Original Triliogy for Xbox 360 is a perfect example. I've had this game almost two weeks and I've blown through most of it, and I'm about ready to send it back. It was a really fun game, but I'm pretty much done with it. Thanks for the memories. That one cost me $1.75 for two weeks worth of play. Paying $1.75 is better than $9.99 or whatever, and it will be well over a year before you can get the 360 version for $9.99 or less anyways.



Also, understand that there are tons of games that I would never even consider buying. These are short term rental games. I check them out for a day or two and then return them to the store. Games like Godfather for the Xbox 360. I'm not really that interested in it, but I just want to check it out real quick and get a first hand impression of it. Play it for a few days, and then return it. So it doesn't really make sense to buy it at any price, unless I'm trying to buy it used for cheap and sell it for more on craigslist or something.


That's pretty much by policy. If this policy is killing the games industry then so be it. The industry should DIE :evil: Honeslty though, if the industry wised up and adopted the price points of CD's and DVD's, I would have never even considered a rental only policy.

FantasiaWHT
09-26-2006, 07:18 PM
Anthony why do you obsess over assigning a lesser value to the Wii than the 360 and PS3 purely by comparing processing power and fail to fail to notice that you are assigning it a greater value by your pledge to buy it for other reasons?

You base your argument on the ratio of price to value, then define value based on processing power, but then use terms other than processing power to define why YOU want to buy one on day one (giving it a personal value to your own thinking)

You are arguing against yourself there.

Garry Silljo
09-26-2006, 07:42 PM
How can he learn anything from you, when you keep showing up in this thread trying to discredit my takes with nonsense LOL

Hey, thanks for the help in proving the point of my post! Any opinion that is not Anthony's or agree with Anthony's is nonsense... so sayeth Anthony. This is type of reply is exactly what I wanted Fuyukaze to see to illustrate my warning. Thanks for being predictable, I knew I could count on you.

Anyway, that's all I had to add, I'm curious to see how you relpy to FantasiaWHT. That post pretty much nailed it. Of course maybe I just got it cause I speak so much CRAZY!?!?!

Garry Silljo
09-26-2006, 07:46 PM
Ever heard of the word "value"? Apparently not. Something could cost $100, and have more value than a similar item priced at $10. The people that are saying the Wii is super cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 are totally missing the point. The Wii can't be compared to those systems. The Wii is a souped up version of the 5 year old GameCube. You can't compare that directly with true next-gen technology. Comparing the Wii against those other 2 consoles is pretty pointless.


Actually, if we really want to get down to it The Wii is a little bit more powerful than the Xbox. The Xbox retails at $179.00 - that's about a $70 difference to the Wii. So you have to ask yourself.. "is a new gameplay experience worth $70???" Of course it is!!! That my friend, is value.

I wonder why Anthony ignored this very valid point? Oh, must be more nonsense, since it doesn't support any of his value rantings.

To Studvicious, don't forget the 179.00 Xbox has no Packin, making the Value of the Wii even closer to that figure.

SkiDragon
09-26-2006, 08:11 PM
If we are including a pack in game in the price of the console, it shouldn't be called a pack in game. It should be called a forced bundle. I'm sure the PS3 will offer plenty of pack in games at some stores when it comes out.

Garry Silljo
09-26-2006, 08:23 PM
If we are including a pack in game in the price of the console, it shouldn't be called a pack in game. It should be called a forced bundle. I'm sure the PS3 will offer plenty of pack in games at some stores when it comes out.

I call it a pack in game because the bundles for PS3 will probably be the idea or policy of the retailer and not Sony itself. However, call it which ever you want, the value of the game should count for something when comparing it to systems that have no included game. I don't care how it's said as long as the point is understood.

Kid Ice
09-26-2006, 08:48 PM
My logic states that when I can rent a game for $3.50 per month, (that includes Xbox 360, PS3 and Nintendo Wii as well), it isn't logical to even "consider" buying a game that is priced above $29.99.

Wondering...where do you rent games for $3.50 a month?

slip81
09-26-2006, 08:53 PM
My logic states that when I can rent a game for $3.50 per month, (that includes Xbox 360, PS3 and Nintendo Wii as well), it isn't logical to even "consider" buying a game that is priced above $29.99.

Wondering...where do you rent games for $3.50 a month?

With his gamesnflix account, each slot works out to $3.50 a month.

Kid Ice
09-26-2006, 09:25 PM
My logic states that when I can rent a game for $3.50 per month, (that includes Xbox 360, PS3 and Nintendo Wii as well), it isn't logical to even "consider" buying a game that is priced above $29.99.

Wondering...where do you rent games for $3.50 a month?

With his gamesnflix account, each slot works out to $3.50 a month.

I'm looking at that site...I see $16.99 for three items (about 6 bucks a month) and $249 a year for 6 out at a time. That's about $21 a month which would indeed be abot 3.50 a month. Heh. I guess that's pretty good if you're willing to invest that much in gamesnflix's service. In other words yes, you're getting a good value, but it must hurt to hand over 250 smackers to "gamesnflix".

Anthony1
09-26-2006, 11:38 PM
Ever heard of the word "value"? Apparently not. Something could cost $100, and have more value than a similar item priced at $10. The people that are saying the Wii is super cheap compared to the 360 and PS3 are totally missing the point. The Wii can't be compared to those systems. The Wii is a souped up version of the 5 year old GameCube. You can't compare that directly with true next-gen technology. Comparing the Wii against those other 2 consoles is pretty pointless.


Actually, if we really want to get down to it The Wii is a little bit more powerful than the Xbox. The Xbox retails at $179.00 - that's about a $70 difference to the Wii. So you have to ask yourself.. "is a new gameplay experience worth $70???" Of course it is!!! That my friend, is value.

I wonder why Anthony ignored this very valid point? Oh, must be more nonsense, since it doesn't support any of his value rantings.

To Studvicious, don't forget the 179.00 Xbox has no Packin, making the Value of the Wii even closer to that figure.



Ok, if you want me to break this one down I will. Only reason I didn't reply to this take is because I can't reply to every single thing that's thrown out there, but if you are interested in my take on it, then I'll go ahead and oblige you.


1. Since when is the Xbox $179.99? Last time I was at a Wal-Mart or whatever it was $149.99. Unless I was high or something and was seeing things. I thought that the PS2 was $129.99 and the Xbox was $149.99. Now maybe the standard $149.99 Xbox package isn't available anymore, but I'm pretty sure it was. I see them selling Xbox 1's at Fry's with a couple of games for $179.99, but I don't see a price for the orignal $149.99 Xbox that doesn't come with a game.

2. The Wii is based on GameCube technology, not Xbox technology. Any comparison to Xbox 1 in terms of price is not a valid comparison, primarly because Microsoft made the blunder of using parts that can't be consolidated for reduced manufacturing costs. The Xbox was a strange animal in terms of the fact that it uses primarily off the shelf PC parts. The Nintendo Wii doesn't have a hard drive bulit inside it to my knowledge. A better comparison would be the GameCube itself. Since the Wii is basically a turbo-charged GameCube, we should look at the GameCube itself. The Cube sells for $79.99 and Nintendo is actually even making a profit selling it at $79.99.


In one of my previous posts, I already estimated that Nintendo probably can make a GameCube for $60 or less, much likely less, and the extra hardware that was added to the Cube to make the Wii "might" have come close to doubling it's cost, which would then make the Wii about $120 to manufacture. It's possible they are cranking those puppies out for even less than that. As for the cost of the controller, nunchuck, Wii sports and the rest of the packaging, a big overestimation on those items would be $60. That brings the total to $180. I honesly believe that it costs about $180 for Nintendo to bring the Wii launch package to retail shelves. The extra $70 is profit that Nintendo and the retailer sees, with Nintendo seeing about 80 percent of that or even more.


Again, all of this is splitting hairs, and it's really not that huge an issue in the first place. It's not like I'm devastated because the Wii is $249.99. It's not that big a deal. Sure, I would love to pay less for it, but who the hell wouldn't? :eek 2:

zerohero
09-26-2006, 11:41 PM
I read somewhere that the american price was not officialy released, and that 249 was the price for Japan.

Lothars
09-27-2006, 01:05 AM
I read somewhere that the american price was not officialy released, and that 249 was the price for Japan.

I would love to see that being the case but chances are it's 249

I would prefer to see it less mainly because I think 249 is to high for the Wii at the moment

but I will still get one just not right at launch

Fuyukaze
09-27-2006, 01:18 AM
Fuyukaze: Do i understand you correctly that you say that people who dont buy games within the first month for full price sux? Shouldnt they be allowed to try out the game first instead of buying it or wait for pricedrop? Is that what you're saying or am i missunderstanding something?

Please re-read what I've said. I never claimed those who rent suck, nor did I say those who rent new systems suck either. People will do as they see fit but if their only means of playing a game reguardless of how good it is consists of rental alone then they are a parasite. Price drop? I never even mentioned price drops at all.

j_factor
09-27-2006, 02:26 AM
I read somewhere that the american price was not officialy released, and that 249 was the price for Japan.

You read incorrectly, at least on that latter bit. The Japanese price is 25000 yen. It would not be 249, because in Japan they don't use US dollars, and 249 yen is pocket change. :P 25000 yen converted to US dollars is approximately $215, and is the same price tag that the Gamecube had in Japan at launch.

Icarus Moonsight
09-27-2006, 03:28 AM
I've said before that I'm not seeing a huge leap in the graphics department from PS2 to the new consoles. As I figure it that makes the Wii, 360 and PS3 VERY comparable. Seeing gameplay video from the recent TGS of Lair for the PS3 I'm not convinced that this game could not be done on the Wii. Of course there may be differences between the versions if Lair were put on Wii but, I feel it would be alot like the PS2/Xbox multi-platform releases we've had already.

Honestly, I don't know why I still respond to this... I've stated before that your (Anthony) takes seem to be biased because of what you claim is impossible to compare, only one system has been released so far. Hey, Anthony. Lemme borrow your crystal ball for a while. I'd like to know what the numbers for MegaMillions are going to be for the next 5 years or so... :roll:

Icarus Moonsight
09-27-2006, 03:32 AM
The first two sentances in the above post are half sarcasm and half Anthony logic. Because it is my view of last gen to this one it is now officially all of your opinions unless you happen to be crazy or like to spout off nonsence. LOL

Awaiting the return of the Edit button...

Icarus Moonsight
09-27-2006, 03:33 AM
The first two sentances in the above post are half sarcasm and half Anthony logic. Because it is my view of last gen to this one it is now officially all of your opinions. Unless you happen to be crazy or like to spout off nonsence. LOL

Awaiting the return of the Edit button...

jajaja
09-27-2006, 04:10 AM
Fuyukaze: Do i understand you correctly that you say that people who dont buy games within the first month for full price sux? Shouldnt they be allowed to try out the game first instead of buying it or wait for pricedrop? Is that what you're saying or am i missunderstanding something?

Please re-read what I've said. I never claimed those who rent suck, nor did I say those who rent new systems suck either. People will do as they see fit but if their only means of playing a game reguardless of how good it is consists of rental alone then they are a parasite. Price drop? I never even mentioned price drops at all.

Ok, i understand all now, except the parasite part. People rent to save money, what is the problem? I dont see it.

petewhitley
09-27-2006, 05:23 AM
This is getting old. The only comparison between the three is the one thing that matters most to the casual gamer. Price.

Where do get the assumption that price is the most important feature to the "casual" gamer? For one, the whole idea of "casual" gamers is notoriously difficult to define, and two, video games a relative luxury item and for a great many of those in the market for video games price is relatively unimportant. This may be hard to believe for a lot of the high-school/college aged readers, but it's true. The difference between $249/$399/$599 isn't going to break the bank for a lot of us in the market for a next-gen system.

Garry Silljo
09-27-2006, 06:16 PM
Since the Wii is basically a turbo-charged GameCube,

Oh, now I get it! You should have said this earlier?!?!? x_x

Which of these systems can play vinyl? I ask because I think your record player may be broken.

Anthony1
09-27-2006, 06:22 PM
Guess what, this is my last post to this thread. Next time I post anything regarding the Nintendo Wii,will be either when I get my hands on a in store Kiosk of the Wii, or when I actually get my own Nintendo Wii on November 19th. :D



See you then :-P

Bronty-2
09-27-2006, 06:47 PM
This is getting old. The only comparison between the three is the one thing that matters most to the casual gamer. Price.

Where do get the assumption that price is the most important feature to the "casual" gamer? For one, the whole idea of "casual" gamers is notoriously difficult to define, and two, video games a relative luxury item and for a great many of those in the market for video games price is relatively unimportant. This may be hard to believe for a lot of the high-school/college aged readers, but it's true. The difference between $249/$399/$599 isn't going to break the bank for a lot of us in the market for a next-gen system.

Maybe if you're 26 and living in mom's basement and paying no rent...

One of the best times money-wise in your life is between 25 (starting to get decent income) and 30 (just before you have to save for the wedding/kids/house). I'm not a college aged kid or anyone fitting the description you threw out. I make a pretty good living yet for me the difference between 249/599 is significant enough for me to take notice. I think you're fooling yourself if you think videogames are a luxury item - that's a load of crap frankly. They are ENTERTAINMENT. Like a movie or a CD or whatever. If you think people are going to buy the same # of CD players at $200 a crack as they will at $50 a crack, you're dreaming.

petewhitley
09-27-2006, 07:40 PM
Maybe if you're 26 and living in mom's basement and paying no rent...

One of the best times money-wise in your life is between 25 (starting to get decent income) and 30 (just before you have to save for the wedding/kids/house). I'm not a college aged kid or anyone fitting the description you threw out. I make a pretty good living yet for me the difference between 249/599 is significant enough for me to take notice. I think you're fooling yourself if you think videogames are a luxury item - that's a load of crap frankly. They are ENTERTAINMENT. Like a movie or a CD or whatever. If you think people are going to buy the same # of CD players at $200 a crack as they will at $50 a crack, you're dreaming.

The fact remains, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are luxury items (high-end entertainment IS a luxury, and if you don't agree, you need to get out of your suburb once and a while). And these days, a significant number of consumers are used to and prepared to spend $500+ for the luxury of cutting-edge home entertainment. Who do you think is buying up all of those $2,000 HD TVs at your local WalMart? A lot of the same guys who are in the market for next-gen system (which, not coincidentally, take full advantage of such displays). These consumers aren't put off by a $600 price tag. A "pretty good living" to one person may be a month's rent to another.

Mayhem
09-28-2006, 05:20 AM
Hell, I probably earn a very good salary and yet I agree, the prices are in the range of being luxury and having to save for them for many people, even though I won't have that much problem buying them if I wanted to.

My decision is really, are they worth it?! :P

Bronty-2
09-30-2006, 01:15 PM
Hell, I probably earn a very good salary and yet I agree, the prices are in the range of being luxury and having to save for them for many people, even though I won't have that much problem buying them if I wanted to.

My decision is really, are they worth it?! :P

exactly, thank you..

Bronty-2
09-30-2006, 01:19 PM
Maybe if you're 26 and living in mom's basement and paying no rent...

One of the best times money-wise in your life is between 25 (starting to get decent income) and 30 (just before you have to save for the wedding/kids/house). I'm not a college aged kid or anyone fitting the description you threw out. I make a pretty good living yet for me the difference between 249/599 is significant enough for me to take notice. I think you're fooling yourself if you think videogames are a luxury item - that's a load of crap frankly. They are ENTERTAINMENT. Like a movie or a CD or whatever. If you think people are going to buy the same # of CD players at $200 a crack as they will at $50 a crack, you're dreaming.

The fact remains, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are luxury items (high-end entertainment IS a luxury, and if you don't agree, you need to get out of your suburb once and a while). And these days, a significant number of consumers are used to and prepared to spend $500+ for the luxury of cutting-edge home entertainment. Who do you think is buying up all of those $2,000 HD TVs at your local WalMart? A lot of the same guys who are in the market for next-gen system (which, not coincidentally, take full advantage of such displays). These consumers aren't put off by a $600 price tag. A "pretty good living" to one person may be a month's rent to another.

There may be the odd person to whom a 'good living' is rent (although if your rent is as much as that, why the hell are you renting?) but that's not the point here.

Of course there's going to be a few early adopters who will pay whatever price. That's not the point. You're never going to be able to carry a console on those few. The point is whether its too high for most people, and it is.

jajaja
09-30-2006, 01:23 PM
Using the word luxury is correct, but personaly i dont look at people who own a new console as luxury. Owning a console today is so common.

Princess-Isabela
09-30-2006, 02:46 PM
well, owning a $700 Neo Geo AES System back in the day and shelling out $200-$400 per game was a luxury.
right now consoles became more affordable than ever, yet of course we'll find people who are still complaining.
we are spending money on a system that will last at least couple of years, not few months(as in case with pc's).

Princess-Isabela
09-30-2006, 03:07 PM
well, owning a $700 Neo Geo AES System back in the day and shelling out $200-$400 per game was a luxury.
right now consoles became more affordable than ever, yet of course we'll find people who are still complaining.
we are spending money on a system that will last at least couple of years, not few months(as in case with pc's).

petewhitley
09-30-2006, 05:29 PM
Of course there's going to be a few early adopters who will pay whatever price. That's not the point. You're never going to be able to carry a console on those few. The point is whether its too high for most people, and it is.

Actually the point is whether it's too high for the system to gain a market foothold until the first price drop. And I'm quite certan it's not. Relative to other home entertainment items that regularly sell to middle-America, the PS3 is on the low-end in terms of price. How that makes it "too high for most people" is beyond me. The problem is you're looking at video games from a "toy" price perspective, when they've clearly been in the "home entertainment" category (both in price and demographics) for years.

business
10-01-2006, 01:12 AM
I don't know whether this has been announced or not, but I will go ahead and ask. Is there any chance of component cables coming in the box? Or are we going to have to buy those seperately on day one?

business
10-01-2006, 12:12 PM
http://static.flickr.com/91/247251946_80b2970467.jpg?v=0

Leaked images of the controller packaging.

Pretty...ipodish. LOL

business
10-01-2006, 12:16 PM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/10/wiimoteretailbox2.jpg

Fixed image.

Bronty-2
10-01-2006, 12:58 PM
Of course there's going to be a few early adopters who will pay whatever price. That's not the point. You're never going to be able to carry a console on those few. The point is whether its too high for most people, and it is.

Actually the point is whether it's too high for the system to gain a market foothold until the first price drop. And I'm quite certan it's not. Relative to other home entertainment items that regularly sell to middle-America, the PS3 is on the low-end in terms of price. How that makes it "too high for most people" is beyond me. The problem is you're looking at video games from a "toy" price perspective, when they've clearly been in the "home entertainment" category (both in price and demographics) for years.

No, I'm looking at it from the perspective of how much do I have to pay for this thing that will last five years that is an upgrade on what I already have. You can put it in whatever "category" you want, it doesn't change the amount of money you have to pay at the register.

Bronty-2
10-01-2006, 01:04 PM
just to add to that thought. I may be paying more for other "home entertainment" items, but I'm not replacing them every five years with the exact same thing.

Your initial point was "$600 is nothing to a lot of people" or whatever it is that you said, and you argued that people making decent money wouldn't notice the difference. Well.. I make decent money and I would notice the difference... so I disagree. Hell, I would notice the difference just in explaining it to my fiance LOL The semantics we can bat around in a circle all we want, but at the end of the day it's a lot of money for a video game machine.

Lothars
10-01-2006, 02:16 PM
just to add to that thought. I may be paying more for other "home entertainment" items, but I'm not replacing them every five years with the exact same thing.

Your initial point was "$600 is nothing to a lot of people" or whatever it is that you said, and you argued that people making decent money wouldn't notice the difference. Well.. I make decent money and I would notice the difference... so I disagree. Hell, I would notice the difference just in explaining it to my fiance LOL The semantics we can bat around in a circle all we want, but at the end of the day it's a lot of money for a video game machine.

but tecnically it's not being marketed as a video game machine especially because it has a blu-ray player as well and that right away markets it a different way,

I mean I still think 600 dollars is expensive and it really shouldn't be that high but I still see them lowering the price over here as well.

THATinkjar
10-01-2006, 06:32 PM
This week, I was finally able to pre-order my Wii. I even threw in copies of Red Steel and Zelda for good measure. I can't wait! Roll on December the 8th! :-P

The Wii also has the honour of becoming the first ever console that I've pre-ordered. I've even reserved a little space for it already, such is my excitement.

SkiDragon
10-01-2006, 08:27 PM
This week, I was finally able to pre-order my Wii. I even threw in copies of Red Steel and Zelda for good measure. I can't wait! Roll on December the 8th! :-P

The Wii also has the honour of becoming the first ever console that I've pre-ordered. I've even reserved a little space for it already, such is my excitement.

May I ask where you preordered it?

Princess-Isabela
10-01-2006, 11:00 PM
apparently people in Europe are already preordering it - awesome!

j_factor
10-01-2006, 11:00 PM
This week, I was finally able to pre-order my Wii. I even threw in copies of Red Steel and Zelda for good measure. I can't wait! Roll on December the 8th! :-P

The Wii also has the honour of becoming the first ever console that I've pre-ordered. I've even reserved a little space for it already, such is my excitement.

May I ask where you preordered it?

Somewhere in the UK no doubt, you silly yank.

Daniel Thomas
10-01-2006, 11:47 PM
I heard an interesting bit of news on this week's Videogame Outsiders. It seems Toys R Us is having a Wii bundle that includes two extra controllers and/or two extra games. This is a deal that is open in Canada, but I don't know if US stores will be doing something similar. Any truth on that front?

Mangar
10-07-2006, 03:13 PM
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This link sums up my views on the subject

Mangar
10-07-2006, 03:14 PM
http://makeadecisiondamnyou.ytmnd.com/

This link sums up my views on the subject.

Garry Silljo
10-07-2006, 04:04 PM
http://makeadecisiondamnyou.ytmnd.com/

This link sums up my views on the subject.

My thoughts exactly.

business
10-07-2006, 09:30 PM
Consumer whores, start those engines!

http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/07/wii-retail-details-markup-and-endcaps/

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/wii_store_04.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/wii_store_08.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/wii_store_01.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/wii_store_12.jpg

Garry Silljo
10-07-2006, 09:57 PM
Consumer whores, start those engines!


Ugh, I don't buy into any of that. I guess I'm glad it's there for those who like it, but stuff such is this and the 360 face plates are the truly unnecessary costs of systems. As long as it's optional though I guess it has it's place.

business
10-07-2006, 11:10 PM
Consumer whores, start those engines!


Ugh, I don't buy into any of that. I guess I'm glad it's there for those who like it, but stuff such is this and the 360 face plates are the truly unnecessary costs of systems. As long as it's optional though I guess it has it's place.

I enjoy a few of the face plates for the 360. Sadly, the ones I like run in into the hundreds of dollars.

That being said, these Wii accessories are stretching the term "accessory" to a whole new level. I mean, Wii dog tags? What in the fucking hell?

Richter
10-08-2006, 12:14 AM
a benefit to them remote gloves is that you can have a certain color for player2, etc.

Daniel Thomas
10-08-2006, 10:18 PM
Yeah, that is a good idea. I hadn't thought of that. Until Nintendo releases their multicolored Wiimotes, this is the only option.

ubersaurus
10-09-2006, 01:14 AM
I wonder if the wii will use the same av cable as the cube?

Icarus Moonsight
10-19-2006, 09:57 AM
I certainly hope so. I got an S-Vid cable that works with my SNES, N64, and the Cube (all the same connection type). Would be nice to use the same cable for a sixth system. The free bump to S-Vid would be a definate perk. Maybe the component cable will be the same one as the cube had as well. :hmm:

secretvampire
10-19-2006, 02:54 PM
It has been confirmed that the Wii cannot use the older A/V cables. Sorry!

darkangel
10-19-2006, 07:24 PM
I already have one bought and paid for on reserve for launch date :)

geneshifter
10-19-2006, 08:39 PM
I just love when Nintendo releases a new console. Reminds me of when I was 12 and getting my NES system.

I can't wait for Christmas when my wife and I surprise my nieces and nephews with 2 Wii systems. Their faces will look like this: @_@ :eek 2:

FantasiaWHT
10-20-2006, 11:06 AM
Does the Wii have any place to put GC memory cards? Gonna suck if I have to start over on all my backwards compatible GC games.

Mayhem
10-20-2006, 11:38 AM
Does the Wii have any place to put GC memory cards? Gonna suck if I have to start over on all my backwards compatible GC games.

Yes, they are under the flap with the Cube controller ports.

FantasiaWHT
10-20-2006, 11:59 AM
Does the Wii have any place to put GC memory cards? Gonna suck if I have to start over on all my backwards compatible GC games.

Yes, they are under the flap with the Cube controller ports.

*breathes a sigh of relief*

Whew! Thanks!

koster
10-20-2006, 05:00 PM
I can't wait for Christmas when my wife and I surprise my nieces and nephews with 2 Wii systems. Their faces will look like this: @_@ :eek 2:
Have their parents videotape the kids opening those presents, so they can auction them off
on Ebay years down the line as 'the Wii kids'. :)

jajaja
10-22-2006, 10:29 AM
Turns out the sensorbar is bigger than expected.

http://home.comcast.net/~kingmoogle/dssensorjn6.jpg

Richter
10-22-2006, 12:02 PM
look at the bar compared to the plug size
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Wiisensor.jpg

http://www.revogamers.net/Imag/Wiimadrid/barrita_Personalizado.jpg

Slate
10-22-2006, 12:30 PM
Does the Wii have any place to put GC memory cards? Gonna suck if I have to start over on all my backwards compatible GC games.

Yes, they are under the flap with the Cube controller ports.

Nintendo sure keeps their buyers happy.