Sony: "Without innovation, the industry won't move forw

[chicnstu]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/734/734010p1.html

Wow.

I think they are doing this on purpose.

Like: "Whatever good ideas we see, we'll take them, everyone will automatically like ours the best because we're Sony, and we don't care what people think when we use other's ideas"

[Niku-Sama]

it seems more and more like sonys gonna be gettin the shaft on this one

[Icarus Moonsight]

Last years TGS was a jaw-dropper and so was this one... but for the total opposite reason. :( How lame... indeed.

I want to give 'em a fair shake. Is there a link to a vid you can view w/o being a member of some damn site?

[jajaja]

Isnt this old news? I mean i've read the exact same thing months or even years ago.

[joshnickerson]

I like the fact they were talking about innovation, right after showing trailers for Ridge Racer 7, Virtua Fighter 5, Final Fantasy 13...

[s1lence]

They have innovated ways for their new system to overheat, I'm sure thats something the industry will want to follow. Oh that and the lack of a rumble feature in their new controllers, thats pretty sweet too.

[playgeneration]

Afrika and Lair look like original games to me. More original than anything ive seen on Wii so far sadly

[kainemaxwell]

I think Nintendo gets the Innovation Award this round.

[business]

Sony: "Without innovation, the industry won't move forward."

:above me:

[7th lutz]

Innovation as a whole left the indrusty for the most part when sega left the hardware bussiness for making their own system and atari before Jack took over in 1984.

I don't care if a game company borrowed, improved on ideas or stealed ideas for their game console. What I have problem with is sony claiming "without innovation the industry wouldn't move forward". They are the last ones should bring it up. They really haven't done anything innovated besides using the blu-ray format for this generation. The psp was nothing innovated except for watching movies and a new format. In August, Madden was the first title that the psp had in the top in sales for software in months in the United States. The movie part of the psp was a flop. The games for the psp didn't show any innovations.

Nintendo is the closest thing to innovation there out of the game console makers at this time. The ds has games that haven't been done before or marketed towards, the wii controller is something new for the most part. They are improving on something that existed in the past or creating something new.

I do give microsoft credit for improving online gaming to what sega started by microsoft creating the x-box live arcade.

I got the impression of sony is way too arragant and feels the industry only goes with sony were sony wants it to go. It is not the case. It never has been for one game company to control the video game industry for the game console market for making changes or not. The Handheld part is another story with nintendo being the only player for the most part. This can be point when atari had the first sucessful game console with one game button on the controller and intellivision improved on the amount of buttions on the controller then atari created the first controller that had a strart, pause button with it be a non-centering analog controller. For games atari was cutting edge when the 2600 first came out, then mattel had sports games that were improved compared to the 2600 then Activision was making cutting edge games for the 2600.

There always is cycle for games on game consoles and from a hardware stand point as my example shows and it also shows companies improve on existing stuff like controllers.

[Chuplayer]

Sony: "Without innovation, the industry won't move forward."

:above me:

Oh the ironing.

And the PS3 is like an iron. Very high temperature.

[theshizzle3000]

The Afrika game does sound very interesting. I think it could turn out to be a very unique game. Since the release of this article has any new information been given out about the game? Just curious

[RCM]

I disagree with that statement in a certain way. It seems the industry HAS moved forward due to the ramping up of unoriginal bullshit over the past decade.

Of course there's been immitators from the beginning, but at least the ratio of great innovative titles vs. bullshit rehash warez seemed to be different compared to today.

Of course I'd like to think Sony believes what they say, but they don't seem to practice what they preach. That said, I've enjoyed PS and to a larger extent PS2 for a long time.

Titles like Okami and Shadow OTC are amazing!

[7th lutz]

I disagree with that statement in a certain way. It seems the industry HAS moved forward due to the ramping up of unoriginal bullshit over the past decade.

Of course there's been immitators from the beginning, but at least the ratio of great innovative titles vs. bullshit rehash warez seemed to be different compared to today.

Of course I'd like to think Sony believes what they say, but they don't seem to practice what they preach. That said, I've enjoyed PS and to a larger extent PS2 for a long time.

Titles like Okami and Shadow OTC are amazing!
No kidding about the unoriginal bullshit tiltes. The wii is the closest thing to having anything original and that is by the controller not the games at this time. The controller does appear to give games a different experience. I am getting sick of rehash of getting the same games with better graphics. The ps2, x-box, and the gamecube appeared to have the same games as the game generation before and the 360 appears to be the same thing.

I blame sega being a 3d party and not doing anything innovative since they became a 3rd party along with the EA and the Capcom effect. Capcom is the king of rehashes from a series I like-mega man. What Ea hasn't rehashed? The Capcom and Ea effect is taking advantage of a game and produce 101 sequals or due to the same type of game that sold great for another company.

[chicnstu]

Sony: "Without innovation, the industry won't move forward."

:above me:

If you are saying that because my subject isn't complete:

The subject line wouldn't let me put the full thing in and there is no edit button.

[business]

If you are saying that because my subject isn't complete:

The subject line wouldn't let me put the full thing in and there is no edit button.

No, I said that because of how funny it is that Sony is suggesting innovation.

[Andred]

It's hard for me to agree with people that say the control scheme for the Wii isn't that big of an innovation. I think we need to wait to judge that.

Take a look at the DS. When it first came out nobody was that impressed with the new control scheme. But now after over a year and a half we can finally see the potential. Games like Trauma Center, Nintendogs, WarioWare, etc. are changing the way people think about games and it's mostly because of the control scheme. I think, given time, the Wii control scheme will be put to better use and we'll consider it truly innovative as well.

Sony has absolutely no business talking about innovation. What are the names of their consoles? PS1.. PS2.. PS3.. they're really pushing the envelope there! What are the system selling titles? FFXIII, MGS4, Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 7, Devil May Cry 4... damn, never heard of games like that before. It's surely more innovative than Cooking Mama or Trauma Center. But Andred, haven't you heard that you can use your PSP as a rear view mirror??! OMG!! Are you for realealzzz? And it only costs me $600(PS3) + $200(PSP)?! Where do I sign?

Let's face it, the PS3 is truly the second-rate console for this generation. Microsoft's XBL trumps the PS3's online capabilities. HD-DVD trumps Blue-Ray. The Wii-mote trumps Sony's "six degrees of bankruptcy". Unfortunately for Sony, the Spiderman font trumps absolutely nothing and can only barely beat it's own $600 price point.

To Sony:
Cell Technology can't save you. Your previous success can't save you. Your stale, rehashed games can't save you. And at the end of this generation, you'd better be prepared to have Nintendo rubbing their Wii in your face.

[7th lutz]

It's hard for me to agree with people that say the control scheme for the Wii isn't that big of an innovation. I think we need to wait to judge that.

Take a look at the DS. When it first came out nobody was that impressed with the new control scheme. But now after over a year and a half we can finally see the potential. Games like Trauma Center, Nintendogs, WarioWare, etc. are changing the way people think about games and it's mostly because of the control scheme. I think, given time, the Wii control scheme will be put to better use and we'll consider it truly innovative as well.

Sony has absolutely no business talking about innovation. What are the names of their consoles? PS1.. PS2.. PS3.. they're really pushing the envelope there! What are the system selling titles? FFXIII, MGS4, Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 7, Devil May Cry 4... damn, never heard of games like that before. It's surely more innovative than Cooking Mama or Trauma Center. But Andred, haven't you heard that you can use your PSP as a rear view mirror??! OMG!! Are you for realealzzz? And it only costs me $600(PS3) + $200(PSP)?! Where do I sign?

Let's face it, the PS3 is truly the second-rate console for this generation. Microsoft's XBL trumps the PS3's online capabilities. HD-DVD trumps Blue-Ray. The Wii-mote trumps Sony's "six degrees of bankruptcy". Unfortunately for Sony, the Spiderman font trumps absolutely nothing and can only barely beat it's own $600 price point.

To Sony:
Cell Technology can't save you. Your previous success can't save you. Your stale, rehashed games can't save you. And at the end of this generation, you'd better be prepared to have Nintendo rubbing their Wii in your face.
You are bit to harsh on sony by calling the contoller the six degrees of bankruptcy. Sony will not get the amount of units sold compared to past systems they released. They will not get bankrupted in this generation due to the fact they still will have a fanbase big enough in the states. The 2nd reason is Sony will stopping releasing psp games with in a couple years with the sales are in the states for games. American gamers ares not into innovation for games as much as japan is. The next generation after this with the 360, ps3 and the wii could be. Sony's blu-ray format with be a pirate's pardise if it is like the psp. Sony's games should sell in the states, but Japan still will be a problem for the ps3 despite the price drop. There will be a couple 3rd parties leaving sony sometime this generation coming up due to lack of sales compared to the wii.

[Andred]

You are bit to harsh on sony by calling the contoller the six degrees of bankruptcy.

Yeah, i was just having a little fun. Sony won't do too badly this generation but they have absolutely no reason to be talking about innovation.

[Daniel Thomas]

Well, Sony never said it was their innovation. Of course, innovation is necessary for the business. Where else are they gonna steal their best ideas? Have you seen what happens when Sony tries to come up with ideas on its own?

I keed, I keed. LOL

[chicnstu]

[quote=7th lutz]You are bit to harsh on sony by calling the contoller the six degrees of bankruptcy.

Come on, that was great.



And at the end of this generation, you'd better be prepared to have Nintendo rubbing their Wii in your face.

And this is hilarious!

[whoisKeel]

I blame sega being a 3d party and not doing anything innovative since they became a 3rd party along with the EA and the Capcom effect. Capcom is the king of rehashes from a series I like-mega man. What Ea hasn't rehashed? The Capcom and Ea effect is taking advantage of a game and produce 101 sequals or due to the same type of game that sold great for another company.

Please don't put Capcom and EA in the same boat. Sure, they have rehashed a series or two (Street Fighter, MegaMan), but they more than make up for it with their efforts to release original titles.

With all this whining and moaning about innovation, let's not forget that the Wii's biggest launch title is Twilight Princess, which is what...the 12th or 13th Zelda title? Not that I don't want to play it.

[Nature Boy]

I think we need to wait to judge that.

Technically I think we need to wait to actually see a PS3 and Wii to judge *anything* - but that has never stopped people before...

I will say that if the only way anyone can truly innovate from now on is to introduce a new way of controlling the games themselves I'm not exactly drooling in anticipation. I'd rather see them use the extra hardware to make smarter computer opponents or more open ended gameplay, not a new gimicky feeling controller every 5 years.

[7th lutz]

[quote]

I blame sega being a 3d party and not doing anything innovative since they became a 3rd party along with the EA and the Capcom effect. Capcom is the king of rehashes from a series I like-mega man. What Ea hasn't rehashed? The Capcom and Ea effect is taking advantage of a game and produce 101 sequals or due to the same type of game that sold great for another company.

Please don't put Capcom and EA in the same boat. Sure, they have rehashed a series or two (Street Fighter, MegaMan), but they more than make up for it with their efforts to release original titles.
quote]
Capcom did start the milking of series in a way with mega Man and how many followed companies followed suit since. I mentioned capcom due to the fact the sales of megaman and Street fighter games told companies that consumers will buy spinoffs or anything with the franchise for that matter. I mentioned EA due to milking sports title that they have exclusive rights to. The Nascar series is a good example. The series has been sloppy in quality since Ea has exclusive rights for nascar games. The games are supposed to be accurate to racing in nascar like the Allstar races, etc. How do explain there being problem with spotters with the Audio. Ea has never corrected that problem. Ea hasn't corrected problems with the game on the race track going into pitroad. Ea has been making nascar games since nascar 98. As far as Ea making original titles, all of them has been based on movies or comics. The last true original title that was produced or developed by them is the sims series. Nintendo with link is milked, but at least some of them head big changes in the games, which isn't like in some of Ea's sports games. The changes included time even.

I am not against Capcom. I do consider them a good company still. As far as Ea goes, I got sick of what they did to the nascar series, appearing to put little effor into a couple of them. when I read there was glitch that caused the entire game of nascar 2006 to be delated in your memory card, that was the last straw. More then one person complained about that. Before then, Ea has been sloppy for nascar games since they got the exclusive rights.

[Nature Boy]

Please don't put Capcom and EA in the same boat.

Come on - let's call a spade a spade and put *everybody* in the same boat. What publisher rehashes *zero* titles? Honestly?

EA gets a lot of flack for it, but they are the largest 3rd party publisher, so just based on the law of averages alone (i.e. they release the most games) of *course* it's going to seem like they're the most guilty.

Last time I checked Madden was up to it's 17th iteration, but Zelda was up to it's 13th.

Innovation is definitely a good thing but we're naive if we think sequels and rehashing will *ever* be a thing of the past. If there's money to be made (and there always will be people looking to buy that latest Metal Slug game) the games will continue to be made.

[7th lutz]

Please don't put Capcom and EA in the same boat.

Come on - let's call a spade a spade and put *everybody* in the same boat. What publisher rehashes *zero* titles? Honestly?

EA gets a lot of flack for it, but they are the largest 3rd party publisher, so just based on the law of averages alone (i.e. they release the most games) of *course* it's going to seem like they're the most guilty.

Last time I checked Madden was up to it's 17th iteration, but Zelda was up to it's 13th.

Innovation is definitely a good thing but we're naive if we think sequels and rehashing will *ever* be a thing of the past. If there's money to be made (and there always will be people looking to buy that latest Metal Slug game) the games will continue to be made.

That was really was not my quote. It was whoisKeel's quote. I tried to take my quote he had off and if You looked carefully, the part that you quote of me was really whoisKeel statement. I was responding to whoisKeel statement also.

[Nature Boy]

That was really was not my quote. It was whoisKeel's quote. I tried to take my quote he had off and if You looked carefully, the part that you quote of me was really whoisKeel statement. I was responding to whoisKeel statement also.

My apologies.

[Hwj_Chim]

the video games of today just suck. At least the ones in amarica, man I find myself going the import rout more and more and this is for older systems. None of the Next gen systems even interist me. I think that it is time for a new contender to come in and clean house. Kind of like sony did back in 95 with the playstation.

[Andred]

I think we need to wait to judge that.

Technically I think we need to wait to actually see a PS3 and Wii to judge *anything* - but that has never stopped people before...

I will say that if the only way anyone can truly innovate from now on is to introduce a new way of controlling the games themselves I'm not exactly drooling in anticipation. I'd rather see them use the extra hardware to make smarter computer opponents or more open ended gameplay, not a new gimicky feeling controller every 5 years.

I agree, I don't want a gimmicky new controller every 5 years either. However, I wouldn't call the Wii's control scheme gimmicky. I think it's a step in the right direction toward the way a game is supposed to be played. I certainly don't feel that pushing a button to make someone swing a tennis racket is the optimal control scheme. Granted, Nintendo's Wii-mote may not work perfectly but, if it succeeds, it could push interactive entertainment in a whole new (and in my opinion, better) direction.

[petewhitley]

However, I wouldn't call the Wii's control scheme gimmicky. I think it's a step in the right direction toward the way a game is supposed to be played. I certainly don't feel that pushing a button to make someone swing a tennis racket is the optimal control scheme.

"The way a game is supposed to be played"?!? Says who? I don't want to push a button to make someone swing a tennis racket either; I want to think it and will it to happen. I want LESS physical interaction, not more. Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. When I play Madden I want to sit on my ass with a beer and score virtual touchdowns. I don't want to run 100 yards for the sake of "realism".

[Andred]

However, I wouldn't call the Wii's control scheme gimmicky. I think it's a step in the right direction toward the way a game is supposed to be played. I certainly don't feel that pushing a button to make someone swing a tennis racket is the optimal control scheme.

"The way a game is supposed to be played"?!? Says who? I don't want to push a button to make someone swing a tennis racket either; I want to think it and will it to happen. I want LESS physical interaction, not more. Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. When I play Madden I want to sit on my ass with a beer and score virtual touchdowns. I don't want to run 100 yards for the sake of "realism".

I did say "I think" which makes it an opinion. For me, sitting "on my ass with a beer" doesn't sound like much fun. I'd rather be interacting with something or, even better, someone.

You think the controllers have too many buttons now? Just wait until they're wired right into your head. Instead of having to manage 12 buttons on a controller you'll have to juggle a million neural pathways and synapses. That certainly doesn't make it more accessible to people. Or at least that's what I THINK.

[Nature Boy]

I think it's a step in the right direction toward the way a game is supposed to be played

Sounds like fanboy speak to me.

There is no 'right way' for a game to be played. Unless you're in marketing that is.

[ice1605]

I got to play the Wii last night, and the controls for the games I got to play were awesome! Sony's innovation... LOL . Nintendo has always had innovative (some a bit gimmicky, I will admit), but still, Nintendo has the best and most innovative games and periphials.

[Andred]

I think it's a step in the right direction toward the way a game is supposed to be played

Sounds like fanboy speak to me.

There is no 'right way' for a game to be played. Unless you're in marketing that is.

Or unless you prefer a particular style of play. Again, I said "I think" which qualifies that statement as an opinion. I'm sorry but as much as you'd like to, you can't tell me that my opinion is wrong.

And I'm not exactly a nintendo fanboy. I own a playstation, genesis, and dreamcast along with my snes, 64 and DS.

[chicnstu]

I got to play the Wii last night, and the controls for the games I got to play were awesome! Sony's innovation... LOL . Nintendo has always had innovative (some a bit gimmicky, I will admit), but still, Nintendo has the best and most innovative games and periphials.

@_@

Where?!?!

[Nature Boy]

I'm sorry but as much as you'd like to, you can't tell me that my opinion is wrong.

Never did. Just disagreeing with it.


And I'm not exactly a nintendo fanboy.

Let me put it this way: even though you started your sentence with "I think" you ended it with "the way a game is supposed to be played" - which seemed a bit pompous to me. Like Nintendo is the only company who knows how games should be played. Hence the fanboy comment. Whether you are a fanboy or not is irrelevant - I just thought the statement sounded fanboyish. Take it how you will.

[Andred]

Okay, I'll try to be a little more level-headed about this. Maybe the statements I made did sound a little fanboyish to some people. They weren't meant to be. I have an notion of how a game is ideally supposed to be played and Nintendo seems to be the only ones striving toward that ideal. I think that's a pretty fair statement without sounding too fanboy-esque.

[ice1605]

I got to play the Wii last night, and the controls for the games I got to play were awesome! Sony's innovation... LOL . Nintendo has always had innovative (some a bit gimmicky, I will admit), but still, Nintendo has the best and most innovative games and periphials.

@_@

Where?!?!
Nintendo Fusion Tour! I live in Columbus, Ohio, so I went to the premier show!

[chicnstu]

I got to play the Wii last night, and the controls for the games I got to play were awesome! Sony's innovation... LOL . Nintendo has always had innovative (some a bit gimmicky, I will admit), but still, Nintendo has the best and most innovative games and periphials.

@_@

Where?!?!
Nintendo Fusion Tour! I live in Columbus, Ohio, so I went to the premier show!

I'd like to go just to play the Wii. I wouldn't like the music, mostly emo.

It's too late for me to go though. I'll have to wait till November.

Supposedly the kiosks will be in stores October 29. Anyone know that those pole looking things are?

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/here-they-are-the-ps3-and-wii-demo-stations-197826.php

[Daniel Thomas]

"The way a game is supposed to be played"?!? Says who? I don't want to push a button to make someone swing a tennis racket either; I want to think it and will it to happen. I want LESS physical interaction, not more. Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. When I play Madden I want to sit on my ass with a beer and score virtual touchdowns. I don't want to run 100 yards for the sake of "realism".


Of course you do. If you get in some exercise while playing games, you can build up your appetite and burn off the old beer.....to make room for the next beer!

[WanganRunner]

It's hard for me to agree with people that say the control scheme for the Wii isn't that big of an innovation. I think we need to wait to judge that.

Take a look at the DS. When it first came out nobody was that impressed with the new control scheme. But now after over a year and a half we can finally see the potential. Games like Trauma Center, Nintendogs, WarioWare, etc. are changing the way people think about games and it's mostly because of the control scheme. I think, given time, the Wii control scheme will be put to better use and we'll consider it truly innovative as well.

Sony has absolutely no business talking about innovation. What are the names of their consoles? PS1.. PS2.. PS3.. they're really pushing the envelope there! What are the system selling titles? FFXIII, MGS4, Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 7, Devil May Cry 4... damn, never heard of games like that before. It's surely more innovative than Cooking Mama or Trauma Center. But Andred, haven't you heard that you can use your PSP as a rear view mirror??! OMG!! Are you for realealzzz? And it only costs me $600(PS3) + $200(PSP)?! Where do I sign?

Let's face it, the PS3 is truly the second-rate console for this generation. Microsoft's XBL trumps the PS3's online capabilities. HD-DVD trumps Blue-Ray. The Wii-mote trumps Sony's "six degrees of bankruptcy". Unfortunately for Sony, the Spiderman font trumps absolutely nothing and can only barely beat it's own $600 price point.

To Sony:
Cell Technology can't save you. Your previous success can't save you. Your stale, rehashed games can't save you. And at the end of this generation, you'd better be prepared to have Nintendo rubbing their Wii in your face.



I felt it my duty to point out that this is, officially, the BEST POST EVER.


Kutaragi is the new Hiroshi Yamauchi. It's like his only job is to say completely nonsensical things.

[Daltone]

I think we need to wait to judge that.

Technically I think we need to wait to actually see a PS3 and Wii to judge *anything* - but that has never stopped people before...

I will say that if the only way anyone can truly innovate from now on is to introduce a new way of controlling the games themselves I'm not exactly drooling in anticipation. I'd rather see them use the extra hardware to make smarter computer opponents or more open ended gameplay, not a new gimicky feeling controller every 5 years.

Well, that saves me typing that out.