Rare PS2 Games?

[shadow77110]

What rare PS2 games are there? I was thinking:
-Rez
-Klonoa 2
-Gitaroo Man
What are some others that you guys know of?
By the way, do you think I should try and talk some video shop guys to sell me Rez and Klonoa 2, since I can't find them anywhere else where I am.

[sayin999]

Definetly Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

[norkusa]

There are at least a dozen threads on this subject already. Try using the search option and check those out.


BTW, Rez and Gitaroo ain't rare. They were re-printed by GQD last year and you can find used copies for sale in just about any Gamestop.

Going strictly by print numbers though, Dual Hearts from Atlus is said to be the rarest PS2 game. Supposedly less than 5,000 copies were made.

[yok-dfa]

Going strictly by print numbers though, Dual Hearts from Atlus is said to be the rarest PS2 game. Supposedly less than 5,000 copies were made.

I think Polaroid Pete would be the rarest game. As far as i know only a few copies have made it to the public before they pulled the title because of some disagreement about copyrights...

[yok-dfa]

Oh and BTW if you want to know if a game is rare, search ebay for it. If none show up, there is a chance it *might* be rare:

Rez has 47 copies on ebay.com right now
Gitarooman has 26 copies on ebay.com right now
Klonoa 2 has 5 copies on ebay.com right now
Dual hearts: 17 copieso on ebay.com right now

[dojosky]

dual hearts isnt too rare i can find it at game shops around me here where did u get the print run numbers from ? thanks !

[Trebuken]

Firefighter FD18 was listed as rare on another thread.

Some others that I have found are rare (for the PS2) are:

Gradius II+IV
Sky Odyssey
Rayman 2 Revolution

It's all relative I suppose...
I think the rarest PS2 games would only make it to R3 in terms of a DP guide.

Later,
Trebuken

[Oobgarm]

99.9% of all PS2 'rarities' are a result of regional supplies.

At best, a harder to find PS2 title would rank R5, I think. I haven't started to apply the rarity numbers to the guide, but it is something I intend on doing in the near future.

Even though there are tons of threads on this, I'll add my 2 cents. These are ones I personally haven't seen in a long time.

Casper: Spirit Dimensions
Crimson Sea 2
Dark Summit
Dino Stalker
Disney Golf
Dropship: United Peace Force
Ephemeral Fantasia
Escape from Monkey Island
ESPN: MLS Extra Time
ESPN: NFL Prime Time 2002
EverBlue 2
Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly
Firefighter F.D.18
Frequency
Fur Fighters: Viggo's Revenge
G1 Jockey 3
Giants: Citizen Kabuto
GTC Africa
Kya: Dark Lineage
Malice
Mystic Heroes
Pirates: The Legend of Black Kat
PK: Out of the Shadows (Disney's)
Portal Runner
R.A.D.: Robot Alchemic Drive
Ribbit King
Rumble Racing
Secret Weapons Over Normandy
Shifters
Sitting Ducks
Soccer America International Cup
Speed Kings
Sub Rebellion
Theme Park Roller Coaster
Top Gear Daredevil
Tsugunai: Atonement
Unison: Rebels of Rhythm and Dance
WhiteOut
Wrath Unleashed
X-Squad

[Perkar]

99.9% of all PS2 'rarities' are a result of regional supplies.

agreed 100%

and in your list... i count at least 7 of those titles sitting in my store right now, most of which have been sitting there for some time. so yeah... rarity at this point in the ps2's life is definitely a regional thing.... once games done being produced, and you're only able to procure titles from ebay and such (which admittedly will be a very long time from now), things might start to even out a tad.

[kentuckyfried]

I always assumed that Naval Ops by Koei was rare, but I see several listings for it on ebay, though it seems to never really reach high price points either.

[devils advocate]

I know this may be slightly off topic, but it still relates.


I think a rarity level for a game is almost a moot point. It's also open for interpretation. The DP lists are the best thing we, as gamers have, but I still think that as this hobby grows, it will need an overhaul.

IE. Psychic detective for the PS1 is rated as an R8. But, the chances of finding it in the wild are much higher than say, an R8 for the Vectrex etc.(just an example, insert your favorite comparison here). While the rarity rating doesn't really show it, the value does seem to reflect it. Obviously demand plays its part as well.

For the most part, collectors are applying a higher value for a higher rating. Now, as with any hobby this is not always the case. Nor is the rarity level always accurat, as we could all certainly find a few games in the database that are way off.

When I was younger, I was fortunate enough to have a friend who owned a card store, and he was one of the contributors to Beckett magazine for Hockey.
I think there system for valuing is quite good. Not perfect, but a step up from what we have.
They evaluate their market on a montly basis(obviously too much for our hobby, as the $$ are not there to support it yet...YET) by taking dealer and private sales into account. Rarity never plays a part of it. The market reflects value. Not rarity. While the manufacturers may produce a card in very limited numbers, it may still have low demand. Hence, a low value.
They also use a hi/low value scheme. Very useful. It takes bargain shopping into account and full retail.
IE. 10 people bought from Ebay for game X
10 People found it in the wild
10 people from game stores.
Take the Ebay prices, shave off the bottom 10% and the top 10%, and that gives you a fairly good going HIGH rate.
Take the wild finds and do the same.
Now, you may have game x which goes for 50USD on the high side, with no shopping around searching etc. BUT it may go for 15USD on the low side, and you could expect to find that only with some luck, AND extensive shopping. With those 2 prices in mind, you could judge what kind of "deal" you have found on the game you are looking for.

It kind of takes the rating for a game, and puts it in the markets hands, and out of the "rarity" judicators. Whether that is good or not is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm just uneasy about the rarity guide, as it's decided upon by very few people. I think they do a great job, and the DP guide is the only one I use.. For now.

I just think it's "off" in a lot of cases. Final fantasy VII for example. It has seen a huge price increase lately. It can go between 5075 used on Ebay. It doesn't change the RARITY of it, but obviously the demand is higher, whether people like it or not. The market reflects, what the market can bear. Tis the law of supply and demand. Now, we also know that with some shopping we can find it for five bucks even. Well the DP guide rates the rarity low, which is obviously accurate, as the game was a trillion seller or something crazy. BUT, it does show a value of 15-20 bucks or something. (I can't remember exactly, but somewhere around there). Well, that's not exactly the real value is it? It could have a value as HIGH as 75usd or as low as 5-10 USD. Showing that, also shows the collectors/buyers the volatility of said game. Some games will have a high fluctuation between their high/low values repectively, and some will not. The ones with a high spread between the high/low will show market instability, which accounts for threads that I see of people saying "I can't believe FFVII is going for 75 bucks. I got mine for five, OR "that price will come down, it's just an Ebay anomale"... And it very well might, or it might not. Again, the updates from inputters will show the trending.

Anyways, just my two cents on helping our hobby.
Regards, Julian

[s1lence]

Well Disgaea used to be hard to find until the recent reprinting.

I could see Metal Saga being a hard one to find in the future, but atm I don't think there is truely a "rare" PS2 title.

[Kroogah]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway. :D

[The Shawn]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway. :D

Agreed!!

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway. :D


But when I look in our buy/sell forum, I see lots of good deals, lots of "going prices", and lots of overpriced stuff. Very reflective of having a hi/lo system, isn't it?

Friendly, collector to collector sales are great, and we have lots here. But I don't see too many people GIVING away their Stadium events or DKC comp cart, right?

While we may have lots of collectors trading, they still trade with "perceived value" in mind, generally. I have not heard of too many Combat carts traded for Quadrun, have you? And if it did happen, I would consider that as being part of the 10% of false valuing that you shave off when doing stat tracking.

So it still applies, I would say. And is still very reflective, IMHO.

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway. :D

I guess what I meant is;

Using a hi/lo system doesn't change or deter what goes on between collectors. Collectors and gamers know WHAT they will spend, and often WHAT OTHER people have spent.

So, we already have this system, we just don't use or document it.

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway. :D


But when I look in our buy/sell forum, I see lots of good deals, lots of "going prices", and lots of overpriced stuff. Very reflective of having a hi/lo system, isn't it?

Friendly, collector to collector sales are great, and we have lots here. But I don't see too many people GIVING away their Stadium events or DKC comp cart, right?

While we may have lots of collectors trading, they still trade with "perceived value" in mind, generally. I have not heard of too many Combat carts traded for Quadrun, have you? And if it did happen, I would consider that as being part of the 10% of false valuing that you shave off when doing stat tracking.

So it still applies, I would say. And is still very reflective, IMHO.

[devils advocate]

After some research,LOL The DP guide shows Final Fantasy VII with a $ value of 10usd complete. I'll take as many copies as people are willing to give me for 10 bucks. Yes, I would resell them. All to Ebay they would go. The guide doesn't differentiate between Ebay sellers and hobbyists does it? So, therefore, the value is completely incorrect.

What could happen here, is that a new collector may see that amount, and offer to trade his copy for a copy of something else with the same DP value, and ultimately, whether money was traded hands or not, be somewhat ripped off in a trade. While he still may be happy with his trade, and love the new game he got back. The fact is, he could of received so much more. And, if he finds that out afterwards, it may slightly turn him off from our wonderful hobby.
And so, in the end, the guide that was designed to enhance our hobby for enthusiasts, (be them financially based collectors OR pure gamers with no care of making money) may actually do the opposite. That would be sad.

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway. :D

One last thing, and I'll let it go.

Would you TRADE me four complete non GH copies of Final Fantasy VII for my one complete copy of Devils Crush?

Probably not. (And if you want, I'll gladly do it, in a heartbeat!!!) . So it shows how skewed one single set price can be.

In MHO , I think DP should either use a reflective value system, or none at all. Just my opinion. Either would be great. The market value have decided themselves for years, with or without documentation. The only thing a skewed price can do, is hurt the uneducated!!

I usually hear people refer to the DP guide as a rarity guide, NOT a price guide. If it truly is only a rarity guide, why are there any prices listed whatsoever.

Again, please don't think I don't value all of the DP's "staff" inputters. They are invaluable, and often spot on with rarity levels. I just think the PRICES are completely skewed, and can only possibly confuse people.

[theshizzle3000]

Well Disgaea used to be hard to find until the recent reprinting.

I could see Metal Saga being a hard one to find in the future, but atm I don't think there is truely a "rare" PS2 title.

Yeah I could see Metal Saga becoming rare ,but I have this notion that a long time down the line Katamari Damacy may become rare because for a while it fell under the radar and its a really good game so it could end up being a similar case as River City Ransom for the NES

[devils advocate]

Just for shits and giggles, I posted a trade thread in our buying/selling forum, for exactly the deal I mentioned. Let's see the reaction. :)

[Slate]

Firefighter FD. 18 is harder to find, but i called 20 EBs/gamestops within about a 60 mile radius and i found 2 copies, so if you're looking for something just call around, you'll find it within a month if not the same day.

Oh and i saw a copy of Sitting Ducks at an EB, didn't buy it though.

As long as you're looking for it, You'll find it.

[Spartacus]

Going strictly by print numbers though, Dual Hearts from Atlus is said to be the rarest PS2 game. Supposedly less than 5,000 copies were made.

That's an extremely low number! I've never seen the game browsing my area, but there's quite a few available on Ebay and some of those are new, so I'm thinking that number may be off.


99.9% of all PS2 'rarities' are a result of regional supplies.

I agree. Thank goodness online auction sites help mitigate uneven distributions!



At best, a harder to find PS2 title would rank R5, I think. I haven't started to apply the rarity numbers to the guide, but it is something I intend on doing in the near future.
Even though there are tons of threads on this, I'll add my 2 cents. These are ones I personally haven't seen in a long time.
.........
Kya: Dark Lineage
.........

I remember reading a favorable review for Kya at Gamecritics.com when it first came out and when I went searching for a copy it was already being dumped on Ebay. There was a ton of them available then and there seems to be a ton of them available now. That's the only one on your list I would have doubts about not being common. It's fun to speculate on the subject though. I have a few to toss out that don't turn up often in my parts nor are they flooding Ebay.

Aero Elite
Adventures of Cookie & Cream
ChoroQ
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Lethal Skies Elite Pilot
PTO IV
Shadow Hearts
Silent Line: Armored Core
Victorious Boxers
Wizardry: The Forsaken Land
Heroes of Might and Magic
LEGO Racers 2
Micro Machines
Piglet's Big Game
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim

[roushimsx]

It's fun to speculate on the subject though. I have a few to toss out that don't turn up often in my parts nor are they flooding Ebay.

Aero Elite
Adventures of Cookie & Cream
ChoroQ
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Lethal Skies Elite Pilot
Shadow Hearts
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim

(did a little snipping)

Are Aero Elite and Lethal Skies enjoyable? I've been eyeballing them and debating picking them up.

Cookie & Cream has been on my hitlist for a long time now but the only copies I scare up in the wild are loose :( That's going to be an ebay buy for me.

I passed on a Jurassic Park Operation Genesis but got curious about it and did some reading up on it online. Found out it was totally my cup of tea, went back to buy it, and it was gone. CURSES :(

Shadow Hearts is getting reprinted by GQD (and its price at Gamestop went up from $25 used to $40 used) and you can buy the trilogy for $100 new from them (mine should be coming soon...I can't wait to finally play them :) ).

For all of the shit that ChoroQ got in the reviews, I loved the hell out of it. I loved it more than Road Trip, and Road Trip was pretty awesome. :)

Finally, I hope Ys doesn't wind up being too uncommon/rare. Everyone should be able to pick up a copy and play it :( The english voice acting and cg sucks, but there's a few codes you can input to have japanese dialogue with english subtitles, PC version's cinemas, and enable warping between towns to eliminate backtracking later in the game.. good lord is it a bucket of awesomeness then.

[Kid Ice]

After some research,LOL The DP guide shows Final Fantasy VII with a $ value of 10usd complete. I'll take as many copies as people are willing to give me for 10 bucks. Yes, I would resell them. All to Ebay they would go. The guide doesn't differentiate between Ebay sellers and hobbyists does it? So, therefore, the value is completely incorrect.

So is it fair to say it's "worth" the $60 or so it's going for on ebay? Keep in mind this is a game that must have sold in the millions.

It's seems like every time this conversation comes up it's "ebay ebay ebay". Silent Hill sells on ebay for fifty bucks. So now someone is trading it in buying and selling, and someone offers Gunstar Heroes for it...and that's not good enough! Now it takes more than Gunstar Heroes to get Silent Hill. What kind of crazy shit is that?

[D_N_G]

Micro Machines is definitely hard to find, this is not V4 but just plain MM

[norkusa]

Are Aero Elite and Lethal Skies enjoyable? I've been eyeballing them and debating picking them up.

I dunno about Lethal Skies since I've never played it (see used copies everywhere though), but Aero Elite is really good. Made by Sega and it plays a lot like the Aero Wings game for Dreamcast. My only gripe with it is that the land textures and buildings look cheap. Other than that it's pretty fun and focuses a lot on flying technique rather than combat. Great flight sim.

You can also play it with the Hori flight stick controller too.

[Alucard79]

I was curious about this topic so I hit Ebay and started searching for some games that I thought were hard to find. (I'm not saying "rare") A few others that I didn't see mentioned on the replies that are actually getting hard to come by are:

Obscure
World Of Outlaws 2002
The Guy Game
MDK 2
Echo Night Beyond
Ring Of Red

I forgot to search this one, but I think Samurai Western may be tough to find too.

[EricRyan34]

Grand theft auto 3

[devils advocate]

After some research,LOL The DP guide shows Final Fantasy VII with a $ value of 10usd complete. I'll take as many copies as people are willing to give me for 10 bucks. Yes, I would resell them. All to Ebay they would go. The guide doesn't differentiate between Ebay sellers and hobbyists does it? So, therefore, the value is completely incorrect.

So is it fair to say it's "worth" the $60 or so it's going for on ebay? Keep in mind this is a game that must have sold in the millions.

It's seems like every time this conversation comes up it's "ebay ebay ebay". Silent Hill sells on ebay for fifty bucks. So now someone is trading it in buying and selling, and someone offers Gunstar Heroes for it...and that's not good enough! Now it takes more than Gunstar Heroes to get Silent Hill. What kind of crazy shit is that?


Well, you're right. It is crazy shit. But, it's crazy market shit! LOL. How can Bre X or Nortel be worth hundreds one day, and zilch the next. Speculation, I suppose. Probably similiar to how SH went up or FFVIII. And demand as well.

Anyways, even in our own buy/sell forum, where it was pointed out to me that people tend to sell more "collector to collector" with less regard for high end prices was proven wrong. I made a post in the buy/sell forum regarding a trade for devils crush for 4 copies of FFVII. The trade was laughed at basically, (as it should have been by CURRENT TRENDING AND SPECULATION/DEMAND) and one of the first comments was by a gamer who quoted going Ebay rates!!! And from personal correspondance, I believe the poster to not really give two hoots about it, but still used that price as a GUIDELINE for the games current worth. As it should be.

Most PS2 games were printed in huge numbers. Yes, including Disgaea. But the Ebay, or perceived value is high, as the demand is strong. Demand, is usually MORE important than scarcity. A Wayne Gretzky Rookie card had a very high print run, and there is still thousands upon thousands in Near mint shape. Not even counting the cards in lesser grades. But, DEMAND pulls the interest of nominal and major collectors alike. You could equate that to the average gamer and the fanatic I suppose.

So which is really in higher demand? The Dual Hearts game with an apparent low print run, or FFVII with a print run in the millions? I think we can guess!

So again. The reason I think the DP guides values should reflect the current market or not be there at all is for just occasions such as SH or FFVII where people seem to think just because there are huge quantities available that should supply the demand and therefore keep the price relatively low. Well, that is obviously not the case right now. Even in our own buy/sell forums people are associating a premium price to FFVII or SH because of increased demand for whatever the CRAZY reason.

I guess even though Gunstar Heroes is a great game, obviously with less copies produced, with the RARITY GUIDE PROPERLY REFLECTING THAT, FFVII is just in higher demand overall with our own buy/sell forums Ebay, and even gaming stores reflecting that trend. It could change tomorrow. But it would only change with an increased supply, or a lower demand

[devils advocate]

After some research,LOL The DP guide shows Final Fantasy VII with a $ value of 10usd complete. I'll take as many copies as people are willing to give me for 10 bucks. Yes, I would resell them. All to Ebay they would go. The guide doesn't differentiate between Ebay sellers and hobbyists does it? So, therefore, the value is completely incorrect.

So is it fair to say it's "worth" the $60 or so it's going for on ebay? Keep in mind this is a game that must have sold in the millions.

It's seems like every time this conversation comes up it's "ebay ebay ebay". Silent Hill sells on ebay for fifty bucks. So now someone is trading it in buying and selling, and someone offers Gunstar Heroes for it...and that's not good enough! Now it takes more than Gunstar Heroes to get Silent Hill. What kind of crazy shit is that?


Well, you're right. It is crazy shit. But, it's crazy market shit! LOL. How can Bre X or Nortel be worth hundreds one day, and zilch the next. Speculation, I suppose. Probably similiar to how SH went up or FFVIII. And demand as well.

Anyways, even in our own buy/sell forum, where it was pointed out to me that people tend to sell more "collector to collector" with less regard for high end prices was proven wrong. I made a post in the buy/sell forum regarding a trade for devils crush for 4 copies of FFVII. The trade was laughed at basically, (as it should have been by CURRENT TRENDING AND SPECULATION/DEMAND) and one of the first comments was by a gamer who quoted going Ebay rates!!! And from personal correspondance, I believe the poster to not really give two hoots about it, but still used that price as a GUIDELINE for the games current worth. As it should be.

Most PS2 games were printed in huge numbers. Yes, including Disgaea. But the Ebay, or perceived value is high, as the demand is strong. Demand, is usually MORE important than scarcity. A Wayne Gretzky Rookie card had a very high print run, and there is still thousands upon thousands in Near mint shape. Not even counting the cards in lesser grades. But, DEMAND pulls the interest of nominal and major collectors alike. You could equate that to the average gamer and the fanatic I suppose.

So which is really in higher demand? The Dual Hearts game with an apparent low print run, or FFVII with a print run in the millions? I think we can guess!

So again. The reason I think the DP guides values should reflect the current market or not be there at all is for just occasions such as SH or FFVII where people seem to think just because there are huge quantities available that should supply the demand and therefore keep the price relatively low. Well, that is obviously not the case right now. Even in our own buy/sell forums people are associating a premium price to FFVII or SH because of increased demand for whatever the CRAZY reason.

I guess even though Gunstar Heroes is a great game, obviously with less copies produced, with the RARITY GUIDE PROPERLY REFLECTING THAT, FFVII is just in higher demand overall with our own buy/sell forums Ebay, and even gaming stores reflecting that trend. It could change tomorrow. But it would only change with an increased supply, or a lower demand

[Oobgarm]

At best, a harder to find PS2 title would rank R5, I think. I haven't started to apply the rarity numbers to the guide, but it is something I intend on doing in the near future.
Even though there are tons of threads on this, I'll add my 2 cents. These are ones I personally haven't seen in a long time.
.........
Kya: Dark Lineage
.........

I remember reading a favorable review for Kya at Gamecritics.com when it first came out and when I went searching for a copy it was already being dumped on Ebay. There was a ton of them available then and there seems to be a ton of them available now. That's the only one on your list I would have doubts about not being common. It's fun to speculate on the subject though.

That's proof of my regional supply comment. I based my list above on what I haven't seen in my area for a while. I didn't bother to check ebay at all-I just went through the list and selected the titles that stuck out to me.


I have a few to toss out that don't turn up often in my parts nor are they flooding Ebay.

Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Lethal Skies: Elite Pilot
Wizardry: The Forsaken Land
Heroes of Might and Magic
Micro Machines
Piglet's Big Game
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim

I did a bit of editing to your list. I think those are also getting more difficult to find. Especially Micro Machines, which I've only seen one time at a store...the time I bought my copy. It was the last one, and I haven't seen any since.

[Oobgarm]

I was curious about this topic so I hit Ebay and started searching for some games that I thought were hard to find. (I'm not saying "rare") A few others that I didn't see mentioned on the replies that are actually getting hard to come by are:

Obscure
World Of Outlaws 2002
The Guy Game
MDK 2

Yeah, those are making their way towards 'hard to find' territory. Especially World of Outlaws.


I forgot to search this one, but I think Samurai Western may be tough to find too.

I don't think so. It was part of the huge TRU sale a while back, so they'll be around for a while. The game wasn't really in demand at all from what I can tell, so the sellers who picked them up to resell will probably sit on them. If you want to use ebay as a reference, there are at least 10 of them on there right now, not counting ebay stores. I see them at game stores here locally, and at Best Buy.

[Kid Ice]

I made a post in the buy/sell forum regarding a trade for devils crush for 4 copies of FFVII. The trade was laughed at basically, (as it should have been by CURRENT TRENDING AND SPECULATION/DEMAND) and one of the first comments was by a gamer who quoted going Ebay rates!!! And from personal correspondance, I believe the poster to not really give two hoots about it, but still used that price as a GUIDELINE for the games current worth. As it should be.


Don't go by people laughing at stuff in buy/sell...people will post anything just to hear the sound of their own fingers typing. If I had a dollar for every time some nitwit threadcrapped in B/S I could buy everything on the first page of that forum. Plus it wasn't open that long. The problem with that experiment is that it is just that...would you really trade your Devils Crush for 4 FF7s? Not likely that someone will take you up on that, but not totally impossible either. I mean what your saying is "WOULD ANYONE TAKE THIS FAKE DEAL", and the answer is no, so you say "SEE!!"

[roushimsx]

Yeah, those are making their way towards 'hard to find' territory. Especially World of Outlaws.

I've yet to find a copy of World of Outlaws 2002 in the wild and I've been looking every single time I go to the game store at every game store I go to for over a year now :(

[norkusa]

I've yet to find a copy of World of Outlaws 2002 in the wild and I've been looking every single time I go to the game store at every game store I go to for over a year now :(

Man, I guess I got lucky finding that one. About a year ago right after I found out it was hard to find, I went on Gamestop's site to see if there were any copies near me. A store a few miles from me had a nice, complete copy for $18, so I went there that night and snatched it up. Haven't seen any others since.

I wonder if its sequel "Road To Knoxville" will be just as hard to find in the future. It's a budget title, so probably not but you never know.

[Daria]

I made a post in the buy/sell forum regarding a trade for devils crush for 4 copies of FFVII. The trade was laughed at basically, (as it should have been by CURRENT TRENDING AND SPECULATION/DEMAND) and one of the first comments was by a gamer who quoted going Ebay rates!!! And from personal correspondance, I believe the poster to not really give two hoots about it, but still used that price as a GUIDELINE for the games current worth. As it should be.


Don't go by people laughing at stuff in buy/sell...people will post anything just to hear the sound of their own fingers typing. If I had a dollar for every time some nitwit threadcrapped in B/S I could buy everything on the first page of that forum. Plus it wasn't open that long. The problem with that experiment is that it is just that...would you really trade your Devils Crush for 4 FF7s? Not likely that someone will take you up on that, but not totally impossible either. I mean what your saying is "WOULD ANYONE TAKE THIS FAKE DEAL", and the answer is no, so you say "SEE!!"

Besides who's really sitting on four copies of Final Fantasy 7?

[Kid Ice]

I made a post in the buy/sell forum regarding a trade for devils crush for 4 copies of FFVII. The trade was laughed at basically, (as it should have been by CURRENT TRENDING AND SPECULATION/DEMAND) and one of the first comments was by a gamer who quoted going Ebay rates!!! And from personal correspondance, I believe the poster to not really give two hoots about it, but still used that price as a GUIDELINE for the games current worth. As it should be.


Don't go by people laughing at stuff in buy/sell...people will post anything just to hear the sound of their own fingers typing. If I had a dollar for every time some nitwit threadcrapped in B/S I could buy everything on the first page of that forum. Plus it wasn't open that long. The problem with that experiment is that it is just that...would you really trade your Devils Crush for 4 FF7s? Not likely that someone will take you up on that, but not totally impossible either. I mean what your saying is "WOULD ANYONE TAKE THIS FAKE DEAL", and the answer is no, so you say "SEE!!"

Besides who's really sitting on four copies of Final Fantasy 7?

I'll dig around the basement of the DP store tomorrow. Will someone have a Devils Crush for me? :)

[smork]

Yeah, those are making their way towards 'hard to find' territory. Especially World of Outlaws.

I've yet to find a copy of World of Outlaws 2002 in the wild and I've been looking every single time I go to the game store at every game store I go to for over a year now :(

Just dug one up yesterday in a random GameCrazy. First one I had ever seen. Was going to post it in "Finds" thread.

Best part of it was it was marked at $14 but rang up at $7. 8-)

[qbertandernie]

ive had no less than 5 copies of world of outlaws, all purchased in retail centers. not to say its not rare, just my personal experience.

[devils advocate]

I made a post in the buy/sell forum regarding a trade for devils crush for 4 copies of FFVII. The trade was laughed at basically, (as it should have been by CURRENT TRENDING AND SPECULATION/DEMAND) and one of the first comments was by a gamer who quoted going Ebay rates!!! And from personal correspondance, I believe the poster to not really give two hoots about it, but still used that price as a GUIDELINE for the games current worth. As it should be.


Don't go by people laughing at stuff in buy/sell...people will post anything just to hear the sound of their own fingers typing. If I had a dollar for every time some nitwit threadcrapped in B/S I could buy everything on the first page of that forum. Plus it wasn't open that long. The problem with that experiment is that it is just that...would you really trade your Devils Crush for 4 FF7s? Not likely that someone will take you up on that, but not totally impossible either. I mean what your saying is "WOULD ANYONE TAKE THIS FAKE DEAL", and the answer is no, so you say "SEE!!"

Besides who's really sitting on four copies of Final Fantasy 7?

I'll dig around the basement of the DP store tomorrow. Will someone have a Devils Crush for me? :)

Absolutely. I have 2 DC's and three FVIII's, but I'll do that trade in a heartbeat!! :-P

[PDorr3]

Rez and Gitaroo man used to be the rarest titles for the system, but as said they are now more common due to reprints (although they still sell for $40 used in the likes of gamestop).

Games that are sometimes hard to come by are:

Klonoa 2
RAD: Robot Alchemic Drive
Dual Hearts
Gradius III+IV
And I never really see escape from monkey island around...

There are alot more uncommon ps2 games, but there really arent any that you cant find without a bit of hunting.

[GarrettCRW]

Gradius III+IV

If Gradius III+IV is hard to find at times, it's mainly because it was a shmup, as well as a title released at/near launch. The crappy Toys R Us near UNLV had copies in for quite some time after its release that I repeatedly passed up largely because I didn't have a PS2 yet. Besides, it's not like the game is in short supply (or even that expensive) on the 'Bay, where prices suck for games with a reputation of being rare and/or good.

[Kid Ice]

Absolutely. I have 2 DC's and three FVIII's, but I'll do that trade in a heartbeat!! :-P

OK NAVA's today I'll see what I can do.

[Leo_A]

Sprint Cars: Road to Knoxville isn't the sequel to World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars 2002.

[Vectorman0]

Do people here ever see The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2? I look for it everytime I am in a game store, yet I can never find any.

[norkusa]

Do people here ever see The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2? I look for it everytime I am in a game store, yet I can never find any.

Document was a tough find for me. Only seen it twice in the wild. Just sold one on Ebay for $30 BIN last week but it wasn't in great shape.

Wouldn't be surprised if it starts going for crazy prices in the future considering how nuts the MG collectors are and how difficult it is to find.

[shadow77110]

I was curious about this topic so I hit Ebay and started searching for some games that I thought were hard to find. (I'm not saying "rare") A few others that I didn't see mentioned on the replies that are actually getting hard to come by are:

Obscure
World Of Outlaws 2002
The Guy Game
MDK 2
Echo Night Beyond
Ring Of Red

I forgot to search this one, but I think Samurai Western may be tough to find too.

MDK 2? Never seen (or heard of that one), I've played MDK though.
All of these titles will be hard for me to find in New Zealand, the city I live in only has a few game shops. I went and bought Rez though and even got the "extra controller" (Is that what you'd call it, haven't had a go yet).

[yok-dfa]

But isn't New Zealand a PAL country? Rarity numbers are totally different throughout the different regions (PAL / NTSC / NTSC-J).

[Kid Ice]

The DP store only had two FF7s in the store that I saw, and they were in a glass case (one original and one GH). Also inside the case were Silent Hill, Ehrgeiz, and a couple other games I wouldn't consider especially rare.

I've argued this point before about the DP guide and about the value of games in general, and I'm beginning to wonder if I'm on the right side of it. Those of us who have lived in "DP World" for a long time now are accustomed to thinking in terms of rarity. It's still more or less that way with VCS games...RARITY=DESIRABILITY=VALUE. But I'm beginning to wonder if that model can be applied to NES or PSX games. And I'm not just talking about ebay. Toaster Nintendos have been a big seller in the DP store. Obviously there are millions of them out there.

You can argue (as I always have) that the FF7 thing is an exception to the rule, but it sure seems lately there are an awful lot of "exceptions".

[Griking]

I made a post in the buy/sell forum regarding a trade for devils crush for 4 copies of FFVII. The trade was laughed at basically, (as it should have been by CURRENT TRENDING AND SPECULATION/DEMAND) and one of the first comments was by a gamer who quoted going Ebay rates!!! And from personal correspondance, I believe the poster to not really give two hoots about it, but still used that price as a GUIDELINE for the games current worth. As it should be.


Don't go by people laughing at stuff in buy/sell...people will post anything just to hear the sound of their own fingers typing. If I had a dollar for every time some nitwit threadcrapped in B/S I could buy everything on the first page of that forum. Plus it wasn't open that long. The problem with that experiment is that it is just that...would you really trade your Devils Crush for 4 FF7s? Not likely that someone will take you up on that, but not totally impossible either. I mean what your saying is "WOULD ANYONE TAKE THIS FAKE DEAL", and the answer is no, so you say "SEE!!"

Besides who's really sitting on four copies of Final Fantasy 7?

I'll dig around the basement of the DP store tomorrow. Will someone have a Devils Crush for me? :)

Absolutely. I have 2 DC's and three FVIII's, but I'll do that trade in a heartbeat!! :-P

I would as well. I don't really care what you guys say FFVII is worth but I know what I can get for it.

[shadow77110]

But isn't New Zealand a PAL country? Rarity numbers are totally different throughout the different regions (PAL / NTSC / NTSC-J).

Even Rarity 2 (on the rarity guide) is hard to find here, the game shops have stopped selling everything before the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube so its a pain in the ass to get even PSX games.

[shadow77110]

But isn't New Zealand a PAL country? Rarity numbers are totally different throughout the different regions (PAL / NTSC / NTSC-J).

Even Rarity 2 (on the rarity guide) is hard to find here, the game shops have stopped selling everything before the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube so its a pain in the ass to get even PSX games.

[shadow77110]

But isn't New Zealand a PAL country? Rarity numbers are totally different throughout the different regions (PAL / NTSC / NTSC-J).

Even Rarity 2 (on the rarity guide) is hard to find here, the game shops have stopped selling everything before the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube so its a pain in the ass to get even PSX games.

[shadow77110]

Yes, I do realise raritys are different for different formats.
But even Rarity 2 (on the rarity guide) is hard to find here, the game shops have stopped selling everything before the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube so its a pain in the ass to get even PSX games. It just seems like the PAL rarity is x2 for getting them in NZ unfortunatly.

[shadow77110]

Crap, stupid computer crashed, can a moderator please delete all but the first post above?

[kentuckyfried]

The DP store only had two FF7s in the store that I saw, and they were in a glass case (one original and one GH). Also inside the case were Silent Hill, Ehrgeiz, and a couple other games I wouldn't consider especially rare.

I've argued this point before about the DP guide and about the value of games in general, and I'm beginning to wonder if I'm on the right side of it. Those of us who have lived in "DP World" for a long time now are accustomed to thinking in terms of rarity. It's still more or less that way with VCS games...RARITY=DESIRABILITY=VALUE. But I'm beginning to wonder if that model can be applied to NES or PSX games. And I'm not just talking about ebay. Toaster Nintendos have been a big seller in the DP store. Obviously there are millions of them out there.

You can argue (as I always have) that the FF7 thing is an exception to the rule, but it sure seems lately there are an awful lot of "exceptions".

It sure does seem that the majority believes that FF7 is worth far more than guide price, myself included, which would make the guide price the price that needs to be adjusted. Personally I'm in the opinion it should be around 35-40.

There are some R1's that have a pretty high guide value, N64 LOZ:Majora's Mask at R1 20$ as an example, I can't remember the game but I'm pretty sure I picked up an R1 35$ game the other day.

I've been told repeatedly by a friend that the guide price is a 'low buy' price, not a retail price, which I believe as well. As the reigning guide expert in this thread, is this true?

On another note, I've noticed in trades that people have often respected the guide price instead of the lower ebay price point, in support of your argument.

[Neo Rasa]

I must be the luckiest person in the world regionally, since every "rare" game people have suggested I see several copies of in the stores around here.

The only PS2 games so far I'd say could become rare are Robot Alchemic Drive, Gradius III and IV, and Firefighter F.D. 18.

NO ONE should be mentioning Gitaroo-Man or Rez since Game Quest Direct did official reprints of them that are cosmetically identical. You can order them factory sealed right off their site if you want or get the "used" ones that are shipped to Gamestop/EB (though as someone who's worked there for years and still works there I'd advise supporting that company as little as possible).

shadow77110: MDK2 was released on the Dreamcast and PC during the Dreamcast's launch. It's one of the raddest action games ever made. A better 3D Contra game than Legacy of War and Contra Adventure combined. Gigantic bosses, tons of enemies to blast with little slowdown, lots of gameplay variety. Developed by Bioware also.

Later on it got a PS2 port called MDK2: Armageddon with reduced difficulty, significantly more jagged graphics, and longer loading times. It's not really worth getting, and honestly I don't know if I'd consider it rare either as I see it in the store here pretty often.

Same for Echo Night: Beyond (the Gamestop in West Long Branch, NJ still had these sealed for $19.99 last time I checked) and Ring of Red (I see at least one used in reat shape in every GS/EB here).

I do agree that of those, Echo Night will become pretty hard to find in the next few years. Not so sure about Samurai Western as it's still available new in stores.

I addition with Atlus games, a lot of people don't realize you can still get them straight from the source. You can get order Samurai Western and many other of their games off their page right now, which I think will keep them from truly becoming hard to find for some time now.

[roushimsx]

I addition with Atlus games, a lot of people don't realize you can still get them straight from the source. You can get order Samurai Western and many other of their games off their page right now, which I think will keep them from truly becoming hard to find for some time now.

Something else a lot of people don't realize is how awesome Atlus' online store and support is. I emailed them Friday afternoon before a holiday about ordering coverart, a box, and the collector's items to complete a loose Digital Devil Saga I picked up at a Gamestop. 30 minutes later they replied with a full cost breakdown (it was like $11 :) ) and a week later I had all of the stuff I ordered + a bunch of extra demo discs and soundtracks that they just tossed in because they're awesome.

Also, yesterday I reached a personal goal and found a complete copy of The Adventures of Cookie & Cream. FINALLY :D (only $10, too!). Grabbed Micro Machines too because it was cheap ($8) and I liked previous games in the series. Even if it doesn't wind up being rare down the road, it's frickin' Micro Machines :)

Sounds like NJ is the place to be to stock up on the goodness. I can't find a World of Outlaws to save my life :(

[Kid Ice]

I've been told repeatedly by a friend that the guide price is a 'low buy' price, not a retail price, which I believe as well. As the reigning guide expert in this thread, is this true?

It is stated in the guide that prices are on the low side.

[Neo Rasa]

Sounds like NJ is the place to be to stock up on the goodness. I can't find a World of Outlaws to save my life :(

Haven't seen that one in a month or so but it definitely popps up here now and then. Gamestop hasn't caught on either so it's like $4.99 used last time I checked.

[roushimsx]

Haven't seen that one in a month or so but it definitely popps up here now and then. Gamestop hasn't caught on either so it's like $4.99 used last time I checked.

I'll have to pay closer attention to those bins when I shop. I haven't spotted it in there or on the shelf yet, but I'll keep looking :)

[GameCollector]

i think Ephemeral Fantasia is really rare!

[Neo Rasa]

The only copy of Ephemeral Fantasia I've ever seen in my entire life is the one I own. A sealed one I kept stored away in the store I worked at at the time until the price dropped sufficiently.

[GameCollector]

yep its really rare!

[sabre2922]

The ONLY copy of Gradius 5 ive seen in my area is the copy that I picked up last year.

same goes for Rtype Final but then again there are only two stores that sell videogames in my area :embarrassed: not including pawnshops.

[Pascal]

the japanese Gradius 5 limited Version is really rare ! The us version is common !

[smork]

The only copy of Ephemeral Fantasia I've ever seen in my entire life is the one I own. A sealed one I kept stored away in the store I worked at at the time until the price dropped sufficiently.

I've seen LOTS of those in the past year. I've only spent maybe 4 weeks in the states in the past year and a half and so only been to a few gamestores, but it seemed I saw a copy in almost every store. (Note -- these mostly have been GameCrazy stores). I think it's just another regional thing.

I'm personally of the opinion that there aren't any real rare PS2 games. Slightly uncommon, perhaps, but rare? No. Perhaps many of the Atlus games are getting harder to find, but really, not so terribly hard. Nothing at all like the rare games from previous generations!

[gepeto]

What are you guys thought on radian 3 I see only limited copies even though it is fairly new.

[sabre2922]

Was Raiden 3 released in the U.S. ? the reason I ask is that I have NEVER seen a copy of it in my area.

and I desperately want to pick up a copy to add it alongside my beloved RAIDEN PROJECT PSX longbox edition:rocker:

[heybtbm]

Was Raiden 3 released in the U.S. ? the reason I ask is that I have NEVER seen a copy of it in my area.

Raiden 3 was a potential rarity here in the US (as was discussed here in its own thread last month). However...Walmart struck a deal with UFO to make Raiden 3 a $19.99 budget title at their stores nationwide. You can go into any Walmart and see stacks of these. Raiden 3 is definitely not rare or hard to find anymore (this is not a bad thing at all IMO).

[fahlim003]

The Red Star just came out quite recently and I've not seen it on a shelf anywhere since I got my copy on release day here in Canada (which I might add was delayed a bit).

Some other titles I'd say are rare in my area:
Robot Alchemic Drive
Escape from Monkey Island
Gungriffon Blaze
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Culdcept
Zone of the Enders 2
Skygunner

Speaking of Raiden 3, I seem to see at least one copy per store. I think that's partly due to the higher price but it's maybe not as uncommon as The Red Star methinks.

[Steve W]

I've found Raiden III in Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, and in the game section of a computer store called MicroCenter. I've never seen it in Wal-Mart, since I can't stand that place.

That computer store, MicroCenter, has a dedicated videogame section. They've always got titles there in the PS2 section that I've never seen before. It reminds me of all those dreams I have about stumbling across some odd game shop with all sorts of titles I've never heard of before.

[gepeto]

I think there needs to be a universal wordwide stoppage of applying the word rare to a game until universal standards can be set up defining what makes a rare game rare.

One problem I had and still have to this day is when I started out hunting the minute I heard the word rare tied to a game it was stuck in my mind I had this urge to get it or I might miss out. That my friend is a costly problem and a major problem in the world of collecting. I was going over some lists in this post and went to three gamestops all that had alot of games on peoples lists.

Without much effort I saw rad, chrono q,pirates lobc,ribbit king,echo night new for 9.99,obscure ,the guy game, etc.

I think we need to file down and sharpen the process and maybe ask the question first sorta put it out there and if a certain number of people say they see (sorta a BOLO) it then take it falls from possible rare status. I remember someone talking awhile back on how mentioning something was rare before actually knowing is viral and bad.

I went out and saw kya mint I picked it up and then the next store I went to I saw 3 copies. I actually had the trade demo and liked it but I think alot of people are wasting money being misinformed.

I wouldn't know where to begin to investigate but I think we need to designate someone or a group to be an authority on it.
Questions that need to be asked.
Does 30 plus copies in tennessee and 0 in maryland make a game rare.
Does launch titles that are hard to find in the consoles 6 year make them rare?
I saw a sorta lowbudget straight to video game called made man hilarious I know that is a low print run will it be rare?

Sorry just thinking outloud:)

[Steve W]

Choro Q has been mentioned as rare, but Dallas's Fry's Electronics stores literally have a hundred on their shelves across their 4 locations. So many in fact that they've put them on sale right now for $6.99. If 'rare' means 'dirt common', then sure, it's rare.