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Aswald
10-11-2006, 03:01 PM
Pity the poor 7800.

Over the past years, there have been many reasons given for its failure. Among them was "Tramielitis," a fatal condition.

Probably, though, its single biggest problem was the years delay in its release. Even in the area where I used to live, which was much more heavily populated, had a lot more money, and when the economy was stronger, we didn't really see it until 1988. It wasn't just that the NES got a serious jump on it- after all, the ColecoVision's jump of several months proved disastrous to the 5200- but rather, when it was finally released, it acted as if it was still Fall of 1984, which was when it was supposed to be released.

If you look at the games released for the Atari 5200 when it was released in 1982 and not long after, you'll see titles like Pac-Man, Space Invaders, Super Breakout, Ms. Pac-Man, Qix, Pole Position, Star Raiders, Missile Command, Vanguard, Dig Dug, Centipede, Robotron: 2084, Joust, Pengo, etc.

O.K., now look at what the 7800 offered. Joust, Position 2, Xevious, Robotron: 2084, Centipede, Hat Trick, Karateka, Dig Dug, Ms. Pac-Man, Galaga (not nearly as good as the NES version)...

By now, you see where I'm going with this, don't you?

The games released for the Atari 7800 were hard to beat...when the 5200 was released. When the 5200 was around, those games were recent, and thus were current. But by 1988, they were dated. We may love classic games (I sure do!), but when purchasing a game system, we also want current games, too. If the CV had only offered games from the mid-or-late-1970s, how badly do you think the 5200 would've pounded it in sales?

Add to this that most people inclined to own these games probably already had the 5200 or 2600 versions (Space Invaders and Super Breakout were better on the 2600), and there just wasn't that much reason for most people to get a 7800, especially since several games, such as Xevious, Joust, Donkey Kong, and Donkey Kong Jr. were also available on the NES, not to mention many more games, including Ghosts `N Goblins, Elevator Action, Galaga, Donkey Kong 3, etc. So the NES had the "classic" base pretty well covered, too.

The 7800, overall, could not match what the ColecoVision had to offer by then! And now, in 2006, it's even worse!

To be honest, I still can't figure out what the hell the Tramiels were thinking when they released the 7800. Even the boxes, labels, and booklets were dull and inferior to those of the 2600 and 5200. It seemed as though they themselves never thought the 7800 could make it, but sent it out anyway with almost nothing it needed to match the NES or SMS. Apparently, they were incapable of realizing that those of us that did try to give the 7800 a chance would be so disgusted with what happened, there was no way in this or any other world we'd ever trust them again. I had no faith in the Jaguar whatsoever, and didn't go near it. Clearly, I wasn’t alone.

Sothy
10-11-2006, 05:03 PM
I blame the Neo Cons.

Arcade Antics
10-12-2006, 06:34 PM
I blame the Neo Cons.
The Neo Geo Cons?

vintagegamecrazy
10-12-2006, 06:53 PM
Yeah I agree although the 7800 has a special place in my heart, It is a great console, just poorly marketed there are great homebrews on the way though, and some amazing protos. With Froggo's releases and the rereleased Klax and Sentinel in NTSC there are some great times to be had with it.

Coleman
10-12-2006, 07:22 PM
0I really like the 7800 as a console. Granted I like the NES better but I don't not like the 7800. I think that there are a lot of great experiences to be had on that system that don't exist on the NES. I can have hours of fun on games like Food Fight which you just cant get on the post NES systems. I think that all of the atari systems in my mind are only compared to them selves. I dont have the pc atari's but out of the 2600 / 5200 / 780 consoles I like the 7800 capability the most but there are just some games on the 2600 that are great and cant be beat! Circus Atari / Kaboom and astroblast all come to mind as great 2600 experiences but it all deppends on what I want to play. Being a savy classig game collector I rairly buy a console for collection purposses until it has left production at which point i can gather up all of that great gaming goodness for pennies on the dollar and it doesn't really matter to me how the SNES holds up against the Neo Geo because i have fun with them both. Metal Slug is great on the NEo Geo but I still have to have a SNES for r breath of fire. Perhaps your argument is just lost on me. I see the point that you are making but uf you want to argue the downfall of atari in the console market I think it has more to do with there lack of

Coleman
10-12-2006, 07:26 PM
0I really like the 7800 as a console. Granted I like the NES better but I don't not like the 7800. I think that there are a lot of great experiences to be had on that system that don't exist on the NES. I can have hours of fun on games like Food Fight which you just cant get on the post NES systems. I think that all of the atari systems in my mind are only compared to them selves. I dont have the pc atari's but out of the 2600 / 5200 / 780 consoles I like the 7800 capability the most but there are just some games on the 2600 that are great and cant be beat! Circus Atari / Kaboom and astroblast all come to mind as great 2600 experiences but it all deppends on what I want to play. Being a savy classig game collector I rairly buy a console for collection purposses until it has left production at which point i can gather up all of that great gaming goodness for pennies on the dollar and it doesn't really matter to me how the SNES holds up against the Neo Geo because i have fun with them both. Metal Slug is great on the NEo Geo but I still have to have a SNES for r breath of fire. Perhaps your argument is just lost on me. I see the point that you are making but If you want to argue the downfall of atari in the console market I think it has more to do with there lack of marketing that caused them to loose the market share. At a time when you require your product to be bought by people for there kids you really need to advertise to that audience. When Mario was everywhere and parents could easily identify the familiar character you have to compete and show the things that you have to offer to those parents

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Push Upstairs
10-12-2006, 11:56 PM
We need a "Ninja Golf" remake.

ubersaurus
10-13-2006, 01:33 AM
The problem is that by 1984, most of the games on the 7800 were still old hats, except maybe Galaga and Food Fight, and quite frankly nothing they had at launch would have been able to move systems in the numbers to top coleco with or without the crash. In 1986, their main problem was the fact that Atari didnt' catch onto the fact people wanted more Mario style platformers and Zelda style adventure games, rather than ports of old arcade and computer games. No matter how good they were, the NES was simply doing more innovative stuff.

I loved the machine when I was younger, but even I could recognize that it wasn't getting the support it needed for most of it's life. And when they finally DID get the hint in 1988-89, it was far too late. The TG-16 and Genesis saw to that.

It sucks too, because it really has some power under that unassuming plastic hood. If given the support it was designed for and needed to be competitive, it may have ended up with a good second place showing in the States.

fishsandwich
10-13-2006, 12:45 PM
0I really like the 7800 as a console. Granted I like the NES better but I don't not like the 7800. I think that there are a lot of great experiences to be had on that system that don't exist on the NES. I can have hours of fun on games like Food Fight which you just cant get on the post NES systems. I think that all of the atari systems in my mind are only compared to them selves. I dont have the pc atari's but out of the 2600 / 5200 / 780 consoles I like the 7800 capability the most but there are just some games on the 2600 that are great and cant be beat! Circus Atari / Kaboom and astroblast all come to mind as great 2600 experiences but it all deppends on what I want to play. Being a savy classig game collector I rairly buy a console for collection purposses until it has left production at which point i can gather up all of that great gaming goodness for pennies on the dollar and it doesn't really matter to me how the SNES holds up against the Neo Geo because i have fun with them both. Metal Slug is great on the NEo Geo but I still have to have a SNES for r breath of fire. Perhaps your argument is just lost on me. I see the point that you are making but uf you want to argue the downfall of atari in the console market I think it has more to do with there lack of

I completely agree with Coleman.

ps Don't drink while surfing

Aswald
10-16-2006, 02:41 PM
Don't forget about Xevious.

There were a number of factors that led to the failure of the 7800, but its serious lack of current games was a serious problem.

By "current," I also meant "genre." In the early 1980s, for example, you just HAD to have a maze-type game; hence, K.C. Munchkin for the Odyssey 2.

But by 1988, what kind of console games were wanted? Sure, current arcade games, but what were they, even? Level/Boss games, for starters. Gradius, R-Type, Abbadox, those sort of games. What did the 7800 have to offer? A big heapin' helping of nuthin'. Even a 7800 version of Vanguard would have been well-received, because at least it would have been something.

RPGs? While Zelda and Phantasy Star were available at that time for the other two systems, what did the 7800 have to offer? For those few critcal years, nothing, and by the time Midnight Mutants made it, we were pretty much in the 16-Bit era.

Look at the cheap quality of the booklets and cartridge labels. Look at the half-hearted software support. The Playstation 2 of today couldn't have made it in 1988 with that lack of support.