View Full Version : Look Ma ~ RGB! check out pics
isufje
11-09-2006, 12:15 AM
After hours and hours of tweaking my Atari SC1224 monitor for the right color levels and brightness, after weeks and weeks of breaking and building a working sync separator circuit, and after internally tapping RGB from my game consoles, (Damn that's a lot), I'm finally ready to start playing my games all over again in RGB color. Was all the pain and suffering worth it? Your Damn Skippy!
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0005.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0022.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0019.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0029.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0002.JPG
God bless GameSX.com
RARusk
11-09-2006, 12:31 AM
Not bad. I do have one bit of advice though. When you post pictures you may want to make them smaller since not everybody here has broadband yet (I don't).
A few questions:
What systems have you RGB modded?
What sync separator chip are you using?
And where is Anthony1? I figured he would be the first to post a reply to this RGB related thread.....
InsaneDavid
11-09-2006, 01:12 AM
Not bad. I do have one bit of advice though. When you post pictures you may want to make them smaller since not everybody here has broadband yet (I don't).
That's not the problem though, the problem is they're so big they make the thread unreadable.
You should try to keep things at 1024x768 max, or put links to larger images. Oh well.
Mitch
11-09-2006, 01:31 AM
Ah, you must have the Goldstar model SC1224, the other two SC1224 models can handle composite sync. I personally use an Atari SC1435. :)
Welcome to the world of RGB. :D
Mitch
isufje
11-09-2006, 02:10 AM
A few questions:
What systems have you RGB modded?
What sync separator chip are you using?
And where is Anthony1? I figured he would be the first to post a reply to this RGB related thread.....
I've modded my PSX, Saturn, Neo Geo CD, Sega CD, and PC Engine CD. (I still have to Amp my PCE's RGB signals cause they're very weak)
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_02_.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_03_.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_04_.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_05_.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_06_.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_07_.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_08_.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/_09_.JPG
I'm using LM1881
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/lm1881.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/PS_001.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/PS_002.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/PS_003.JPG
InsaneDavid
11-09-2006, 02:40 AM
Oh my God... you butchered that poor, poor, poor JVC X'Eye. Obviously you can do the electronics work, but those mods are travesties of quality. Wait, on closer inspection I take back the part about the electronics work - that's subpar too.
Generally you want to trim component leads so they sit flush to the perfboard, and like use the traces to interface with an IC rather than tack wires to the pins.. and put the whole assembly in the console shell.. and... oh God I'm gonna throw up if I keep looking at this thread.
isufje
11-09-2006, 03:50 AM
Oh my God... you butchered that poor, poor, poor JVC X'Eye.
If you think that's bad, take a Look at this...
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/Butchered.JPG
And I dare not show you the horror underneath the PCB. o_O
So Yes, All of my RGB mods are perfect examples of "SLOP", of what mods shouldn't look like, but at least all are perfectly functional and easily accessable when it comes time to modify. Heck, I don't even have to open up my PCEngine to solder an Amp. I made these proto-boards for one reason -> to fit my needs. Whether you think them grotesque or unseemly is not my concern. But I like your comments none the less. They made me laugh (in a good way) ^_^
InsaneDavid
11-09-2006, 04:37 AM
And when you get a short and can't figure out where it is, you'll have twice the fun. But I digress, mods like the ones you've shown here are why I can charge what I do for quality work.
But please, for all our sakes, stay out of the Technical and Restoration forums. LOL
MarioMania
11-09-2006, 04:48 AM
OMG, The Horror...The Poor Systems
cyberfluxor
11-09-2006, 09:31 AM
:image:
Please try to use imageshack, photobucket or a major host because private pages like yours get blocked by filters a lot of us deal with at work.
jajaja
11-09-2006, 09:42 AM
Look good! :) I like the Zelda pic alot.
Trebuken
11-09-2006, 09:44 AM
Hmmm...couldn't you just have modified a output cables for the PSX, Saturn, and NeoGeo CD to get RGB? I guess the result is the same...
Great screenshots though...
Later,
Trebuken
InsaneDavid
11-09-2006, 03:28 PM
Hmmm...couldn't you just have modified a output cables for the PSX, Saturn, and NeoGeo CD to get RGB? I guess the result is the same...
Minus about seven thousand times the mess.
Slate
11-09-2006, 11:17 PM
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/PS_001.JPG
This one has be confused. What do you use for controllers And memory cards Now?
Trebuken
11-10-2006, 07:27 AM
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/PS_001.JPG
This one has be confused. What do you use for controllers And memory cards Now?
PS modded for Sega Genesis controllers?
Interesting idea; not sure why you'd you want to do it but a nice experiment.
Later,
Trebuken
isufje
11-10-2006, 10:48 AM
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/PS_001.JPG
This one has be confused. What do you use for controllers And memory cards Now?
This PSone is actually just an empty shell. I used it to hold the internals of a simple LM1881 sync separator, and I also used it to proto-type a Color Amp. So in a nutshell, it's just 2 DB9 boards with RGB+Composite Video going in player 1 side, and RGB+Composite Sync and Vertical Sync coming out the player 2 side.
Anthony1
11-13-2006, 12:14 AM
I'm finally ready to start playing my games all over again in RGB color. Was all the pain and suffering worth it? Your Damn Skippy!
You know, F what everybody else is saying about your workmanship. The bottom line is that it's working, and you are now able to enjoy the wonderful world of RGB love. I wish I knew how to do half the stuff you did, for me, I had to pay other experts to do it. It can definitely get pricey to pay others to do it for you, but it keeps things nice and tidy, lol. But still man, I got much love for ya. It takes alot of effort and pain and suffering to finally get all that crap working. And like you said above, it's a wonderful thing to replay all your favorite games in some true RGB. It's like somebody having some serious vision problems and they watched tons of movies with that poor vision , and then they finally get their vision fixed, and they rewatch all their favorite movies, and it's almost like a totally new experience. That's the best description I can give for it. :D
InsaneDavid
11-13-2006, 12:19 AM
You know, F what everybody else is saying about your workmanship.
Oh man, how do you hold a job with an attitude like that?
petewhitley
11-13-2006, 03:05 AM
You know, F what everybody else is saying about your workmanship
Agreed. It ain't a fashion show. I'd rather "sloppily" mod a console myself for free than pay someone to church it up.
idrougge
12-18-2006, 04:29 PM
Agreed. It ain't a fashion show. I'd rather "sloppily" mod a console myself for free than pay someone to church it up.
Seconded. It's how pretty the picture is that counts, not how pretty the electronics are.
Still, that solution with thin, unshielded(?) wires and an external PCB don't look like they're good for signal integrity.
mills
12-19-2006, 02:43 AM
I must say if the work suits and it does what you want then awesome. But my way is "if you're gonna do something do it right" So in that aspect I agree with Insane David.
Eternal Champion
12-20-2006, 05:50 PM
So what system plays NES games with RGB output?
isufje
12-22-2006, 01:36 PM
So what system plays NES games with RGB output?
It's IMBNES 1.3.2 for the PSX. Also, the Dreamcast can do it with Nester but that's not pictured.
Seconded. It's how pretty the picture is that counts, not how pretty the electronics are.
Still, that solution with thin, unshielded(?) wires and an external PCB don't look like they're good for signal integrity.
The signals are actually quite good. The total length of cable is 12 feet, a 6 foot cable to the sync separator and a 6 foot cable to the monitor. It gets reduced to only 6 feet total when I play my Dreamcast with RGB because it doesn't need a sync separator, It outputs Horizontal and Vertical natively. The type of wire going to the external PCB would be CAT-5 wire. The two 6 foot cables are generic DB9 Female to Male cables I got from Fry's. I'm really having no problems with the RGB and the video quality is quite amazing from what I've been experiencing.
I'll be posting some screen shot comparisons of RGB to regular composite Video later... cause I can't find the digital camera right now ^_^...
cyberfluxor
12-22-2006, 03:57 PM
Now that I'm finally seeing this thread from home those pictures come in just fine. :) Congrats on the mods however I agree that they are quite sloppy. I wouldn't show them off to potential clients if you plan to go that route in addition be sure they aren't posing a fire hazard!
s1lence
12-22-2006, 06:26 PM
Though messy (understatement) at least they work for the time being. Pictures never do RGB any justice, you have to see it first hand to really appreciate it. Either way enjoy it while it lasts.
isufje
12-22-2006, 09:51 PM
OK, the following screens show the obvious difference between RGB and normal composite. My Neo Geo CD is outputing RGB and Composite at the same time. Both my RGB monitor and TV are side by side. Well take a look see...
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0004.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0019a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0025.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~julius2/DSCF0013a.JPG
boatofcar
12-22-2006, 10:41 PM
Dude, seriously. Host your images on imageshack and link to thumbnails. Please.
isufje
12-23-2006, 10:32 AM
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Slate
12-23-2006, 11:20 AM
Smaller pics, please. @_@
slip81
12-23-2006, 12:54 PM
smaller pics asshole
also it might help if you stand more than a foot away from the screen or get a camera capable of macro shots so they don't look like ass, and take head on shots instead of ones at weird angles.
Sorry to be rude, but your pics are annoying everyone, so either do it right or don't bother.
Anthony has been around for years, we're all well aware of what RGB looks like, we don't really need your sloppy pics.
s1lence
12-23-2006, 06:24 PM
Freaking Rgb !?!?!?!?
Trebuken
12-23-2006, 07:10 PM
The pictures seem to be fine to me. They definitely illustrate the difference, though can't rule out that the non-RGB set could be poor quality.
Did not realize so many people still had dial-up.
Eternal Champion
12-30-2006, 11:48 AM
I 'm surprised at the graininess of the composite screens. To me, the composite isn't really that bad, as I've been playing my consoles through RF switch for years and years. But the clarity and punchy colors of the RGB is very impressive. I curse the Europeans for having SCART RGB.
Soviet Conscript
12-30-2006, 08:13 PM
Did not realize so many people still had dial-up.
not sure thats the big complaint. it would be so much nicer if they were just smaller and fit on the screen next to eatch other. make it a lot easier to compaire without slideing the bar left and right up and down to see the difference
If I go to all the trouble of making all these mods to my consoles and finding/buying an RGB compatible monitor... Is it really going to look any better than say playing an emulator on my PC?
Soviet Conscript
12-30-2006, 09:18 PM
If I go to all the trouble of making all these mods to my consoles and finding/buying an RGB compatible monitor... Is it really going to look any better than say playing an emulator on my PC?
apperently. here a guy explains that pretty well in this thread http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94529