View Full Version : NWC gold cart on ebay BIN $8000
shawnb1824
12-06-2006, 01:15 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nintendo-World-Championships-1990-Gold-NES_W0QQitemZ220057045617QQihZ012QQcategoryZ62053Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220057045617
by the way, it's not mine.
Dude only has 24 feedback selling ahm.. bling pasifiers...
Sure! I would trust him with my $8,000!
itobandito
12-06-2006, 05:29 PM
yeah especially since he says he is selliing it for a friend and that his friend said that he tested it and it worked. Yeah there is no way in hell I would buy from this guy, even if I had 8gs to toss around.
megamaniaman
12-07-2006, 06:55 AM
Wow, wasn't there a NWC world championship gold cart that sold for $7500 just a week ago? Maybe the owner of this one saw that auction and decided to put his up. By the way how many Nintendo World Chapionship Gold carts are now known to be in people's hands including this one and the one a week ago?
jajaja
12-07-2006, 06:56 AM
Wow, wasn't there a NWC world championship gold cart that sold for $7500 just a week ago? Maybe the owner of this one saw that auction and decided to put his up. By the way how many Gold carts are now known to be in people's hands including this one?
That was my thought too :) It happend with Rodland on Ebay.it also. This game is like never for sale complete on Ebay, but 2 popped up within 2 weeks one time, different sellers.
anagrama
12-07-2006, 06:57 AM
Makes you wonder what happened to all those folk apparently willing to spend $12-15k a couple of months ago...
Tbowl
12-07-2006, 03:38 PM
How safe is MO in the first place? And how about a bank transfer? Wouldn't taking a load of cash to the PO be pretty... unsafe?
jajaja
12-07-2006, 03:52 PM
Makes you wonder what happened to all those folk apparently willing to spend $12-15k a couple of months ago...
Hehe indeed. Why dont they BIN this one fast? They would save thousands.
DreamTR
12-07-2006, 03:52 PM
That whole 12K to 15K was a crock of shit apparently.
jajaja
12-07-2006, 03:54 PM
How safe is MO in the first place? And how about a bank transfer? Wouldn't taking a load of cash to the PO be pretty... unsafe?
What i know MO is unsafe, easy to be scammed. I would never (and i hope no1 will) send ~$8000 with MO to a totaly unknown guy. This cart is something you "must" pick up personaly.
Darth Sensei
12-07-2006, 03:56 PM
That whole 12K to 15K was a crock of shit apparently.
Most likely in an attempt to inflate the "value" of those little gold idols.
Parpunk
12-07-2006, 06:10 PM
yea for real, i believe we all know the new top value for the gold carts. The last one we saw on ebay that went for 7500 was about the most mintiest one i have ever saw, and looked very very legit. Even had original baggy (so he claimed) that it came in. Probably one of the best if not the best one out there and it went for $7500.00. So i believe thats what they will go for now, at least for a while.
udisi
12-07-2006, 06:14 PM
It wasn't a crock of shit, aparently I should have taken the 12.5k deal that was done. oh well.
jajaja
12-07-2006, 07:10 PM
It wasn't a crock of shit, aparently I should have taken the 12.5k deal that was done. oh well.
Cant you still take it?
DreamTR
12-07-2006, 07:56 PM
udisi: It it was the guy in payments, then it was a farce, because he NEVER had the money. If it was some mystery person, do tell.
Bronty-2
12-07-2006, 08:22 PM
you mean zelda_nexus when you say the guy "in payments" right? I believe that was actually a 17.5k offer @ $1k/ month. The 12.5k was different.
Steven
12-07-2006, 08:55 PM
What i know MO is unsafe, easy to be scammed. I would never (and i hope no1 will) send ~$8000 with MO to a totaly unknown guy. This cart is something you "must" pick up personaly.
Quoted for emphasis. Please Lord do not send an MO. You're asking to be scammed. You can't get a refund. You can make an attempt, but it's not highly successful I've heard. In fact I once heard a post office worker say out right "If you're screwed sorry, there's no chance of getting a refund."
Tbowl
12-07-2006, 10:12 PM
Quoted for emphasis. Please Lord do not send an MO. You're asking to be scammed. You can't get a refund. You can make an attempt, but it's not highly successful I've heard. In fact I once heard a post office worker say out right "If you're screwed sorry, there's no chance of getting a refund."
Yea, the other 7.5k auction was also MO and i basiclaly hestitated out of that. This one is the same... will there ever be a paypal one? Good lord..
udisi
12-07-2006, 10:17 PM
The 17.5k was the pay over time which I was not comfortable, the 12.5k was a guy in Italy and the deal was done...I drug my feet cause back in july when I had 4 serious offers, 1 at 10k, 1 at 11k, one at 12.5 k and the pay over time at 17k. based on those offers I thought that if I waited for christmas time I could pull better than 13k straight up. That seemed not to be the case as when I listed the cart late last month I hardly recieved anything near that high. Most of the serious offers were in the 7-8k range. I Still contend that under the right timing and such one of these if not mutiple carts will go above 10k.
As for being able to take the 12.5k, no I can not take that offer any longer, also the interested party is no longer interested in the cart at that price range due to a personal feeling towards eeproms.
It's really not a pressing issue to me. I pretty much only wanted to sell it that high for 2 reasons. 1) it's the price I'd let mine go for and 2) To prove that indeed they will sell for that much.
I can see why DreamTR can think that the 12.5k was a BS offer cause he tired to offer a friend of his up for auction a week or two after I offered mine in July. I suspect that he didn't get as high of offers. All I can say to that is that I've listed mine 3 times, and evey instance has been variable. Sometimes the offers are there, sometimes nothing is there. It's all about timing.
DreamTR
12-08-2006, 12:00 AM
Ahhh, I know who the offer was from now, it was from another game system collector. I recall they have issues with "EPROMS", almost to the point where they think they are bootleg!
Udisi: I never had a serious offer above $5000-6000. A fellow who posts on NES World a lot was being slow and random about his supposed high offer, and some Canadian guy with 2 feedback says he would pay $12K. Lies.
With timing, and the fact that two NWCs are LESS than 10K, good luck at this thing rising above 10K anytime soon....
megamaniaman
12-08-2006, 12:18 AM
I think this cart has been shown too much on Ebay this year. If you really want to get the best possible price for an uber-rare cart wait atleast a year until the last one has been sold. The worst thing you can do is relist the same game over and over again. By listing the same game 3 times now,you have created the impression that there are actually more games than their actually are. The more something changes hands the more their is a perception that it is not all that valuable or rare. The funny thing is I actually believe that this game will be worth over 1 million dollars within the next 15 years. It just has to get a measure of some stability to it before this happens. Right now they are in the hands of too many sellers. With any extremly rare item, eventually the sellers sell to the collectors who are not in the market to sell for a very long time or until they die and their children either put it on Ebay or keep it as a Momento. When this happens it will create a demand that will be impossible to imagine.
DreamTR
12-08-2006, 04:08 AM
I doubt it will get anywhere near 1 million dollars. It might hit 100K one of these days, but the thing is at 1,000,000, EVERYONE would sell theirs in a heartbeat. It's not like it is in the hands of any collectors with crazy money yet who would turn town that much cash.
Darth Sensei
12-08-2006, 08:44 AM
It wasn't a crock of shit, aparently I should have taken the 12.5k deal that was done. oh well.
I heard Kamino has been dating a supermodel for years too. You can't meet her as she's from Canada. She LIKES NES too.
udisi
12-08-2006, 10:48 AM
I too think it showed up too much this year...7 times now if I count right 3 of those being mine. Before this year it had been 3 years since one had popped up. I highly doubt one will go for a Mil Ever. Video Games are not like coins or stamps, the collector demograpic is very different. I'd be surprised if it ever hit 100k either, but I could see 20k-30k maybe at some point.
ProgrammingAce
12-08-2006, 12:38 PM
Quoted for emphasis. Please Lord do not send an MO. You're asking to be scammed. You can't get a refund. You can make an attempt, but it's not highly successful I've heard. In fact I once heard a post office worker say out right "If you're screwed sorry, there's no chance of getting a refund."
Poastal Money order, sent via the USPS is safer then paypal. So far, Paypal has NEVER recovered funds for me. On the other hand, the USPS takes postal fraud very seriously and has investigators who will track down the scammer and send them to jail for felony postal fraud. Just the threat of this tends to make people caugh up the goods or refund your mony pretty quick.
What has paypal done for you?
rbudrick
12-08-2006, 03:08 PM
So does anyone know who the owner actually is? I'm at work, so I can't cross referenc eit with my pics at home of the known carts.
-Rob
megamaniaman
12-08-2006, 06:20 PM
I too think it showed up too much this year...7 times now if I count right 3 of those being mine. Before this year it had been 3 years since one had popped up. I highly doubt one will go for a Mil Ever. Video Games are not like coins or stamps, the collector demograpic is very different. I'd be surprised if it ever hit 100k either, but I could see 20k-30k maybe at some point.
See, you proved my point on this. How much was this cart going for 3 years ago? Probably a lot less than even the last one sold for. This is what happened.
Three years pass and someone finally breaks down and sells it. All of the sudden people look and say "This cart is actually worth this much now?!" and some dump their carts and try to sell it at that price. But because of a flood of Gold carts the price goes down somewhat, in this case $7500. Soon the flury of selling carts well settle down. Probably after you sell yours udisi. Then another 3 to 4 years will pass again without it being sold with demand at an all time high someone will break down and sell theirs and make even more of an outragous profit. And again the same thing will happen with a flurry of carts being sold. But this time probably more like 3 or 4 being sold in a year. The next thing you know after 15 years the cart is worth 1 million dollars. Of course I could be wrong, only time will tell.
DreamTR
12-08-2006, 07:06 PM
Yes, Money Order is actually safer believe it or not. PayPal is out to screw you in every way imaginable.
Buyatari
12-08-2006, 07:35 PM
Yes, Money Order is actually safer believe it or not. PayPal is out to screw you in every way imaginable.
Only if you are seller. As a buyer Paypal with cc is the way to go.
shawnb1824
12-12-2006, 11:40 PM
Currently up to $5000 and the reserve is met.
mb7241
12-12-2006, 11:55 PM
Also, the seller posted about 8 or 9 more pics... Though I doubt it's going to end for $8000, it should fetch at least $6800, possibly $7500...
Bronty-2
12-13-2006, 12:43 AM
See, you proved my point on this. How much was this cart going for 3 years ago? Probably a lot less than even the last one sold for. This is what happened.
Three years pass and someone finally breaks down and sells it. All of the sudden people look and say "This cart is actually worth this much now?!" and some dump their carts and try to sell it at that price. But because of a flood of Gold carts the price goes down somewhat, in this case $7500. Soon the flury of selling carts well settle down. Probably after you sell yours udisi. Then another 3 to 4 years will pass again without it being sold with demand at an all time high someone will break down and sell theirs and make even more of an outragous profit. And again the same thing will happen with a flurry of carts being sold. But this time probably more like 3 or 4 being sold in a year. The next thing you know after 15 years the cart is worth 1 million dollars. Of course I could be wrong, only time will tell.
Sure, that's how things go up...... but there is a lot of real estate between 7500 and 1mil.
Bronty-2
12-13-2006, 12:49 AM
how serious is the eprom issue, anyway? I don't know a lot about this stuff. Sometimes I think about stepping up to the plate on a gold or even grey nwc and but then I think....... will it be worth anything if it stops being playable? Jason?
udisi
12-13-2006, 01:32 AM
well bit rot is very real, but in my own experiance I found the fear to out weigh the fact. You can leave an eeprom out in direct sunlight for days and it could still play perfectly, I wouldn't advise it because it could corrupt it but I'm of the belief that if you treat them with care , that they should last longer than you think. Also the base code for the game has been dumped, so if by some chance your cart does get corrupted you could reburn the eeproms and it'd be good as new again.
Now eeproms are also suppose to slowly deteriate over time. I personally have never had an eprom go dead on me , but people who deal in a lot of prototypes and such have definitly had it happen. Then again there are atari prototypes from 1981 of there that are doing just fine.
I don't think anyone has a whole yes or no type answer to the eprom question. I yet to hear of a dead 1990 cart yet now 16 years later, does that mean they'll never die, no. Does it mean they'll all be dead in 10 years, no.
Really the only answer I can give you is that they contain a chip that is sensitive to UV light and that has show it can deteriate over time....If ya wanna worry about that, Most data, flash, CD, etc data can and will deteriate over time. Hard drive are nothing but magnitized particals, and can be corrupted just as easily.
I think people worry about eproms cause they were never intended to be a perminate storage system. Then again neither are most of our storage systems. I'd be more worried about a CD-R/DVD-R than an eprom.
rbudrick
12-14-2006, 09:51 AM
Someone asked how many of these are now known. These last two that appeared online makes it 10. There's one by a Norweigian collector that I don't have pics for, though. I requested better pics from the winners of these two auctions to confirm, but I know one of them had not been posted before. If I can confirm the other one, then 10. Only gotta find 16 more...sigh. Well, beats the 70 something more greys I've gotta find (actually, my understanding is that 300-500 were made, according to some show organizers, but the amount isn't totally firm).
-Rob
Darth Sensei
12-15-2006, 12:40 PM
That whole 12K to 15K was a crock of shit apparently.
It went for $5100. I find this hilarious. Must be all those "anonymous" buyers changed their minds.
DreamTR
12-15-2006, 12:44 PM
$5100 is less than I sold one of mine for 5 years ago!
Gavica
12-15-2006, 01:39 PM
never seen this game, which games come in that catridge?
Bronty-2
12-15-2006, 02:10 PM
It went for $5100. I find this hilarious. Must be all those "anonymous" buyers changed their minds.
Talk is cheap. Age old saying but so true.
I'm really happy happy for michiganfan - he must have felt like I did when I won the stadium events for 1500 less than I would have paid. It's REALLY nice to figure you're going to have to pay through the nose and then unexpectedly getting off (relatively) easy. He saved 2500 just like that over his bid on the previous copy.
Bronty-2
12-15-2006, 02:18 PM
$5100 is less than I sold one of mine for 5 years ago!
Well, before you jump off a bridge :) if the auction had been paypal friendly and/or had time payments the price would have been higher.
All cash is a big problem for people when you get into four or five figures.
5100 is definitely lower than I expected though.
DreamTR
12-15-2006, 03:40 PM
Well, it's not going to matter to me much if it sells for less or more anyway, I'm just happy to have one and know I am never going to sell it unless the value hits over 100K =P
udisi
12-15-2006, 06:36 PM
Michiganfan got a great deal, I am surprised it went less than the last one, I expected it to go about the same. Now the biggest question is how long till we see one for sale again.
D_N_G
12-15-2006, 06:44 PM
btw this auction made the "it came from ebay" segment on g4 tvs attack of the show
NESaholic
12-15-2006, 07:20 PM
Darn nice price and cool that Mike won it ( i simply can't afford it atm), very dedicated collector. Congrats man!
well bit rot is very real, but in my own experiance I found the fear to out weigh the fact. You can leave an eeprom out in direct sunlight for days and it could still play perfectly, I wouldn't advise it because it could corrupt it but I'm of the belief that if you treat them with care , that they should last longer than you think. Also the base code for the game has been dumped, so if by some chance your cart does get corrupted you could reburn the eeproms and it'd be good as new again.
Now eeproms are also suppose to slowly deteriate over time. I personally have never had an eprom go dead on me , but people who deal in a lot of prototypes and such have definitly had it happen. Then again there are atari prototypes from 1981 of there that are doing just fine.
I don't think anyone has a whole yes or no type answer to the eprom question. I yet to hear of a dead 1990 cart yet now 16 years later, does that mean they'll never die, no. Does it mean they'll all be dead in 10 years, no.
Really the only answer I can give you is that they contain a chip that is sensitive to UV light and that has show it can deteriate over time....If ya wanna worry about that, Most data, flash, CD, etc data can and will deteriate over time. Hard drive are nothing but magnitized particals, and can be corrupted just as easily.
I think people worry about eproms cause they were never intended to be a perminate storage system. Then again neither are most of our storage systems. I'd be more worried about a CD-R/DVD-R than an eprom.
Bit rot indeed is a problem with old carts, or with carts that people don't take care of. Coincidentally, I got a bitrotted proto today, which is quite a shame.
I guess the only way possible to prevent yourself from being horror struck when some of your protos (or in this case, NWC carts) stop working is - I know it's risky to say this here - dump the cart. Even if you keep it for yourself (the dump), or whatever, when you have a dump, you can reflash the eproms when they bitrot. Don't fool yourself, bitrot WILL happen, sooner or later, and the only way of preserving the carts is keeping dumps somewhere privately.
Michiganfan2
12-17-2006, 08:07 AM
I was shocked that it only went for $5100. The MO only things scares off people. The only reason I bid was that the seller is only 3 hours from me. I'll be picking it up in person this week.
Bronty-2
12-17-2006, 12:26 PM
I was shocked that it only went for $5100. The MO only things scares off people. The only reason I bid was that the seller is only 3 hours from me. I'll be picking it up in person this week.
Sweet. Nice job :)
rbudrick
12-18-2006, 06:33 PM
Shhh! You could get mugged on the way back! ;-D
-Rob
Darth Sensei
12-19-2006, 10:59 AM
Shhh! You could get mugged on the way back! ;-D
-Rob
If I'm not mistaken, I've been to his house. ;)
rbudrick
12-19-2006, 11:58 AM
If I'm not mistaken, I've been to his house. ;)
Sweet, so we'll wait for him at the corner at the end of the road, and, oh, woops, this isn't a PM, never mind. ;-D
-Rob
Michiganfan2
12-20-2006, 03:19 PM
I did get it yesterday abd it's in great shape. The pics in the auction make it look all scratched up. I am very very pleased. It does have one small scratch on the back of the cart but other than that the thing is beautiful.
It only took 4.5 hours round trip to get it to. Overall, I am so pumped.
Bronty-2
12-20-2006, 04:42 PM
awesome.
Congrats!
Now i'm waiting to see what ppl would say about the "Kizuna Encouinter/Gold NWC" value topic..because Kizuna would sell for SURE for double of such price! :)
Nespit
12-21-2006, 07:46 AM
gz m8. really really nice cartridge to have.
megamaniaman
12-21-2006, 01:59 PM
Congrats!
Now i'm waiting to see what ppl would say about the "Kizuna Encouinter/Gold NWC" value topic..because Kizuna would sell for SURE for double of such price! :)
That's because Europians are more into classic gaming than American's. I swear even though this is NTSC, if the NWC was sold on ebay.uk. I think it would actually sell for more than $5100.
That's because Europians are more into classic gaming than American's. I swear even though this is NTSC, if the NWC was sold on ebay.uk. I think it would actually sell for more than $5100.
Yeah,but not up to $13000 like KE anyway..
DreamTR
12-21-2006, 06:26 PM
I'll never know why anyone would pay $13000+ for essentially an insert and manual and sticker, but then again, why would anyone pay an extra $2500-7500 for a gold color NWC over a gray one with cooler label? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL NUTS!
suckerpunch5
12-21-2006, 07:35 PM
I'll never know why anyone would pay $13000+ for essentially an insert and manual and sticker, but then again, why would anyone pay an extra $2500-7500 for a gold color NWC over a gray one with cooler label? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL NUTS!
well yeah, but the gold one is all SHINY!!!
I'll never know why anyone would pay $13000+ for essentially an insert and manual and sticker, but then again, why would anyone pay an extra $2500-7500 for a gold color NWC over a gray one with cooler label? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL NUTS!
100% agree, we're all nuts!