Rarest Japanese PS Game?

[goemon]

I'm trying to figure out what the rarest Japanese Playstation games are. The Online Rarity Guide says it's Netz Toyota Racing, but even if it was the rarest, it's hardly the most valuable. (It seems to be valued around 1500 Yen)

If rarity equals most money and least information, this one must be it:
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m35976045

It's "Bogus Fropon-kun P" and the subtitle reads, "Famitsu takeover version." Aside from this auction, I could find next to nothing about it on the internet. It isn't in the rarity guide either. The above auction link lists it as "Propon-kun" for reasons I don't know. It appears to be a promo game for Famitsu. Has anyone seen or played it and can clarify things?

[Von-Zipper]

The price is not always a good indicator (look at Radiant Silvergun on SS).

For me, among commercialized games :
Fuu-un Gokuu Ninden (plateform)
rockman battle & chase (kart)

it's because I never managed to come up with. that's why rarity is a bit elusive as concept: it depends of many factors; anyway, more than the initial number of printed copies.

[oceanfr]

gaiaseed

[goemon]

The price is not always a good indicator (look at Radiant Silvergun on SS).

For me, among commercialized games :
Fuu-un Gokuu Ninden (plateform)
rockman battle & chase (kart)

it's because I never managed to come up with. that's why rarity is a bit elusive as concept: it depends of many factors; anyway, more than the initial number of printed copies.

I agree that price isn't the best indicator (also look at FF7 or Silent Hill on eBay!) but the crazy pricing coupled with the drought of information on the web leads me to believe that it could be a serious rarity.

Regarding Gaiaseed: it's a rare game - probably one of the top five - but I doubt it's number one. Last time I checked there was nothing about it in the rarity guide. Judging from my own experience, I think it should be either R8 or R9.

On a related note, does anyone know where to find data about the release numbers of PS games? I would like to know how many copies of "price inflated" games like Radiant Silvergun and Rakugaki Showtime were released.

[mb7241]

On Radiant Silvergun, I think I remember reading somewhere that there were between 60,000 and 90,000 copies produced...as for Japanese PS1 games, though, I couldn't tell you.

As for another game, wasn't there some sort of anime robot-mech type of game that came packaged with a model robot? PS1Expert listed it on eBay for something around $1500...

[smork]

Look at Rakugaki Showtime -- always expensive, but not all that rare, really.

There seems to be other non-games for the PS1 that fetch a price as well, I've seen some Yukie Nakama PS1 disc that sells for $200+. Probably just an idol photo game.

Anybody know any Japanese-language PS1 collector sites that might have an authoritative word?

[Karellen]

The question is "do you count hibaihin games"?
If not,I think the rarest japanese PS1 game is KOF98 special edition with Kyo with closed eyes on the front cover(so it's not the common version where Kyo has the eyes opened).

If you count hibaihin,there are a lot of really rare games like the DemoDemo CD,the Gundam promotionnal games,Arc the lad monster game...etc...

[djsquarewave]

As for another game, wasn't there some sort of anime robot-mech type of game that came packaged with a model robot? PS1Expert listed it on eBay for something around $1500...
ZXE-D: Legend of Plasmatlite? Ludicrously expensive, maybe. Overwhelmingly rare, probably not, considering NCS (I think, some import webstore anyway) got ten of them in when it came out.

Gaiaseed probably isn't quite as high up there as some might like to believe. It pops up from time to time, it's just really pricey.

Kitchen Panic? That one doesn't turn up much at all... There's a handful I've never once seen (Bubsy, Return Fire, Maximum Force, Heart of Darkness...) but that may be that they were never actually released...

[goemon]

ZXE-D: Legend of Plasmatlite? Ludicrously expensive, maybe. Overwhelmingly rare, probably not, considering NCS (I think, some import webstore anyway) got ten of them in when it came out.

Gaiaseed probably isn't quite as high up there as some might like to believe. It pops up from time to time, it's just really pricey.

Kitchen Panic? That one doesn't turn up much at all... There's a handful I've never once seen (Bubsy, Return Fire, Maximum Force, Heart of Darkness...) but that may be that they were never actually released...

Kitchen Panic isn't that rare -- I just bought one on YJA for 2500 yen, and I saw one on eBay recently for around $40. I'm not overly concerned with obis, so it doesn't bother me, but I haven't seen a complete copy available since I started looking a few weeks ago.

Most of the US developed games are uncommon in Japan due to low print runs. Mortal Kombat II is probably the most famous of them, especially since it didn't get a PS release in America. As for the other games you listed, I don't think Bubsy or Heart of Darkness were released at all, Return Fire was only on 3DO and Maximum Force was in arcades but not on PS.

[killer7]

I saw Warriors of Fate and Captain Commando for around 12000yen each secondhand behind glass cabinets in Akihabara occasionally last year. And I think there was a Gundam title also highly priced. Maybe they are in the top 10? Your right in its hard to find this sort of information on the net.

[goemon]

There's a not-for-sale version of Char's Counterattack that I see going for a lot. That might be what you're thinking of.

[SeizureDog]

Yeah, this rarity guide doesn't seem to be very complete when it comes to Japanese games. Can anyone tell me if I happened to pick up some semi-rareish games in my recent purchases? I'm sure I mostly got a bunch of super common stuff, but some seem a bit uncommon. I'm especially wondering about Startling Odyssey 1: Blue Evolution. I can't find much information on that game anywhere.

My list of games. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SeizureDog/videogames#PlayStation)

[Mayhem]

Anyone ever see a copy of Snobow Kids Plus for the PS1? I'd pay good money if someone can track me down an original :)

[oceanfr]

I have the starling odyssey game for PSX (collection only) but I think its a remake of the pc eng version or something theres also part 2 and 3 (which didnt make it to the PSX)

[djsquarewave]

Anyone ever see a copy of Snobow Kids Plus for the PS1? I'd pay good money if someone can track me down an original :)
If Yahoo is your thing, then...
http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g49851855

Though I will admit that's the first time I've seen it up for auction.

[Mayhem]

Might even be worth going through a middleman for once on this. And yeah I have seen it up for sale once, hence figuring it's not very common!

[RadiantSvgun]

I know Panzer Bandit is one of the rarer ones. Mega man X3 is up there too. I think the Gradius deluxe pack, and the Salamander deluxe pack are kinda rare, but super pricey.

[djsquarewave]

I know Panzer Bandit is one of the rarer ones. Mega man X3 is up there too. I think the Gradius deluxe pack, and the Salamander deluxe pack are kinda rare, but super pricey.
For whatever reason, all the decent Banpresto-published action games go for ridiculous amounts. Gunnm is another example of this.

RMX3 doesn't turn up much at all. It sold enough to get a PlayStation the Best release, though, so it's probably not terribly rare.

[Aussie2B]

Hmmm, Gunnm got expensive? When did that happen? o_O I bought it about a year ago for around 15-20 dollars.

[GaijinPunch]

I have the starling odyssey game for PSX (collection only) but I think its a remake of the pc eng version or something theres also part 2 and 3 (which didnt make it to the PSX)

III never made it out anywhere. I & II are on the PC-Engine. Remakes of I, II, and a release of III were scheduled for the PS & Saturn, but only I on the PS was released.


Hmmm, Gunnm got expensive? When did that happen?

Nah. I had a copy on my FS list for $35 for months and months. I think I finally got rid of it for $25.

[djsquarewave]

Hmmm, Gunnm got expensive? When did that happen? o_O I bought it about a year ago for around 15-20 dollars.
Nah. I had a copy on my FS list for $35 for months and months. I think I finally got rid of it for $25.
Huh. I could have sworn it usually went for around $70 or so. Of course, it being by the same people responsible for Megatudo 2096 doesn't exactly give me any hope of it being a decent game.

What about the Sunmark edutainment games (http://img249.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/6/3/3/youcan2k-img549x412-1164324367nyaon_pon_kuma1.jpg)? There's virtually no information about them out there (googling their names returns the maker's website (http://www.sunmark.co.jp/mothers/davinci/_davinci06.html) and...Yahoo Auctions), and they're not even mentioned on any games lists.

[Mark III]

I know Panzer Bandit is one of the rarer ones. Mega man X3 is up there too. I think the Gradius deluxe pack, and the Salamander deluxe pack are kinda rare, but super pricey.


What is a Panzer Bandit worth anyways? I've been looking for one for a while now, but I never know what to offer.

[Aussie2B]

Actually, I think I was the one who bought your Gunnm, GaijinPunch. :P Unless you happened to have two copies selling at different points.

It actually is a pretty fun game, despite its developer and the history of anime games (not that there aren't a fair number of good ones, but in general they suffer from the same syndrome that all licensed games have) I just wish it had more "anime-ness" to it at times, since I love the OAV (and I'm VERY picky about anime). It could've benefited from some more prominent music, anime portraits, voice acting, and the like.

[50s Brawler]

I don't know on what scale of "rarity" Hot Blooded Family (a 1st generation Beat 'Em Up PS1 game) is, but I rarely see it up on Ebay. I mean it's up from time to time but not very often. It might not be so uncommon on Yahoo!Japan or other Japanese auction sites, but using Ebay as my primary procuring process for the globe (outside of gaming forums communities anyhow) I'd say that one is pretty rare. Though I know ole' Carlson (16-Bits) from Mad-Gear LLC has had a few in from time to time. The other game that I find is nuts to find is the Sega Saturn game Psychic Warlock Assassin Taromaru. I had that one brand new imported from Die Hard Games no less back in '96 or '97 and sold it... still can't find one very easily these days and it's twice the price of what it was back in the day.
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[Fighter17]

I don't know on what scale of "rarity" Hot Blooded Family (a 1st generation Beat 'Em Up PS1 game) is, but I rarely see it up on Ebay. I mean it's up from time to time but not very often. It might not be so uncommon on Yahoo!Japan or other Japanese auction sites, but using Ebay as my primary procuring process for the globe (outside of gaming forums communities anyhow) I'd say that one is pretty rare. Though I know ole' Carlson (16-Bits) from Mad-Gear LLC has had a few in from time to time. The other game that I find is nuts to find is the Sega Saturn game Psychic Warlock Assassin Taromaru. I had that one brand new imported from Die Hard Games no less back in '96 or '97 and sold it... still can't find one very easily these days and it's twice the price of what it was back in the day.
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Hot Blooded Family is uncommon, but not rare. You're able to get it complete with spine for $40 max.

Psychic Assassin Taromaru for the Saturn is the rarest Saturn game, with estimate print run of 7,500 copies.

[oceanfr]

Nekketsu Oyako (aka Hot Blooded Family) seen it several times, not really rare would say uncommon.

[RadiantSvgun]

What is a Panzer Bandit worth anyways? I've been looking for one for a while now, but I never know what to offer.

It's around 70-80 bucks. Good game in the vein of Guardian heroes.

[GaijinPunch]

It's around 70-80 bucks. Good game in the vein of Guardian heroes.


Seems quite pricey. I think it's 5000 yen in Akihabara. Nice game though!

[RadiantSvgun]

Someone mentioned it before, but Banpresto games get pricey, even if they are common.

[RadiantSvgun]

Someone mentioned it before, but Banpresto games get pricey, even if they are common.

[GaijinPunch]

Someone mentioned it before, but Banpresto games get pricey, even if they are common.

Well... whomever it was, they were wrong. There's stacks of cheap Banpresto games. Just depends on the game. In fact, I'd dare say the average game is bargain.

[djsquarewave]

Well... whomever it was, they were wrong. There's stacks of cheap Banpresto games. Just depends on the game. In fact, I'd dare say the average game is bargain.
Hey, now! I said the decent ones. The average Banpresto game is crap. Just look at those Racdym fighters, or Megatudo 2096, or...

I still say the Sunmark games are somewhere up there.

[GaijinPunch]

Hey, now! I said the decent ones.

Well, I guess you were misquoted then. Banpresto has loads of 500 yen games. Super Robot Taisen anything, for starters... well most of the series anyway.

[petewhitley]

Well, I guess you were misquoted then. Banpresto has loads of 500 yen games. Super Robot Taisen anything, for starters... well most of the series anyway.

Seriously. It's really off-base to judge prices/rarity of PS1 games from the State-side view. I saw TONS of inexpensive Banpresto-series titles in Kansai when I frequented game shops there. You can't go off eBay for this stuff; you really need to have a source on the street, as a lot of retro-gaming business in Japan is done off-the-radar in smaller shops. It ain't all Super Potato.

[goemon]

Seriously. It's really off-base to judge prices/rarity of PS1 games from the State-side view. I saw TONS of inexpensive Banpresto-series titles in Kansai when I frequented game shops there. You can't go off eBay for this stuff; you really need to have a source on the street, as a lot of retro-gaming business in Japan is done off-the-radar in smaller shops. It ain't all Super Potato.

I agree - if we went with eBay prices for Japanese games, I'd be rich. Importers mark up the prices to almost insane levels. I saw PSOne Books rereleases going for $40 or $50! There are some stores and sellers who have good prices, but most of the import goods I see are highly marked up.

[djsquarewave]

I agree - if we went with eBay prices for Japanese games, I'd be rich. Importers mark up the prices to almost insane levels. I saw PSOne Books rereleases going for $40 or $50! There are some stores and sellers who have good prices, but most of the import goods I see are highly marked up.
As a general rule if an eBay seller is asking more than 25% or so over the prices on, say, Amazon or Game-Life, I'll pass and wait for it to pop up cheaper, unless it's something I really really want.

[oceanfr]

use to have panzer bandit last year sold it for bout 20, but seen it go sometimes around 40.


What is a Panzer Bandit worth anyways? I've been looking for one for a while now, but I never know what to offer.

[Wolf]

While I don't know if these are literly "rare" as in print runs, here is a few very expensive psx j games.

Gradius Delux Pack
Captain Commando
Dodonpachi
Salamander Pack
Samurai Spirits Fencing Pack

I am sure there is more but those are around the 100+ mark each on Play Asia and on Ebay I have seen them go for maybe 10-20 less, this is complete with spine and all, as that does tend to affect import prices on ebay.

[Wolf]

I agree - if we went with eBay prices for Japanese games, I'd be rich. Importers mark up the prices to almost insane levels. I saw PSOne Books rereleases going for $40 or $50! There are some stores and sellers who have good prices, but most of the import goods I see are highly marked up.


I check their location alot and feeback etc.

I notice there is a ton of HK sellers who jack up the prices of books and ultimate hits versions like crazy, they are either out to lunch or doing it as a joke.

I saw one HK dude list that Haunted Castle PS2 port for like $199 USD when it was still in stock on PA for aroudn 24, I see alot of FFVII Int and VP for $40 USD when they are easily found on PA for 10-20 less, its just morons trying to sucker other morons into buying best versions for more cause morons might think they are rare or worth as much as originals, although j GH games tend to be worth a tad more compared to NA ones.

There is some dude in australia who has been trying to sell off his sealed copy of FFVII Int original for around 399 USD, rare ? a little...original anyway....worth that much sealed ? HAHAHAAHA right, but some holier than thou rpg collector with cash may just buy it, hes relisted it at least 3 times though, guess he is waiting for the right tool to come along.