PS3 is the only next gen console with backwards compatibility? [Archive]

Wavelflack

12-14-2006, 10:25 PM

I was in Target this evening, and I happened to stop by the PS3 demo station. I watched the video touting the PS3's benefits, and was surprised to hear that "The PS3 is the only next generation console designed with backwards compatibility."

Am I just being too literal about this, or has Sony finally decided to drop any pretense of "truth in advertising" and just flat out lie?

Richter Belmount

12-14-2006, 10:31 PM

Yes they lied.

n.ooka

12-14-2006, 11:09 PM

Next-gen FTW!

Melf

12-14-2006, 11:15 PM

LOL @ Sony.

udisi

12-14-2006, 11:22 PM

yeah that's a hugh lie, my wii is far more backward compatable than the ps3.

exit

12-14-2006, 11:31 PM

Sony misinforming people? Theres obviously been some kind of misunderstanding!

njiska

12-14-2006, 11:36 PM

yeah that's a hugh lie, my wii is far more backward compatable than the ps3.

Actually that is a straight out lie. The Wii is less BC then the PS3. PS3 plays Playstation and PS2 Games and it does so simply by inserting the disc. The Wii is only BC with the GC (which it does a shitty job of if you have a 16x9 display) everything else is not backwards compatibility, it's new content. Because you can't load the original media and must purchase the content again it is not backwards compatible.

As for the original statement it is the the most backwards compatible system. Far more then the 360 and far deeper then the Wii. It's the only system nearly fully backwards compatible across two generations. That being said it sure does suck at it.

smork

12-14-2006, 11:37 PM

What you didn't realize is that the PS3 is the ONLY next-gen console, all else are old tech. Hence, it's the only one graceful enough to offer backwards compatibility.

Bless you, Sony!

Andred

12-15-2006, 12:57 AM

There are MANY bugs with PS3's backwards compatibility. And a lot of games that simply are NOT backwards compatible. I haven't run into any BC issues on the Wii at all.

Regardless, Sony lies. The PS3 is not the only backwards compatible console.

Darren870

12-15-2006, 01:06 AM

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/13/ps2-graphics-on-ps3-look-like-crap/

sabre2922

12-15-2006, 02:14 AM

OH SONY you and your GINOURMUS EGO taking advantage of the uneducated casual gaming masses and gamers that bow to your every whim.

remember what happened to the MAN THAT WOULD BE KING sony? hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Rev. Link

12-15-2006, 03:20 AM

We know that's a big lie from Sony, but didn't I read that PS3 is only b/c with about 97% of PS2/PSX software? I know that's still a very impressive number of games, but if that's true, and 360 also has problems playing some Xbox games, doesn't that mean Wii is the only truly b/c system this gen?

From what I've heard, Wii doesn't have any problem playing any GC games. But then, there is a Nintendo fanboy who lives inside me that I have trouble controlling sometimes. :)

Ed Oscuro

12-15-2006, 03:35 AM

jajaja

12-15-2006, 09:02 AM

lol that demo must have been made in 2002 or something.

njiska

12-15-2006, 09:32 AM

A lie?

A choice.[/Valeris]

No, it's not a lie...it's an omission less heinous than Sony's.

No Ed, making the claim that the Wii is more backards compatible then the PS3 is a lie in every possible way. The PS3 is more backwards compatible in the number of playable game, systems and generations. Those are the only "mores". Now as for who does it better, that's different.

Celestial Avenger

12-15-2006, 09:49 AM

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/13/ps2-graphics-on-ps3-look-like-crap/

That is terrible. If they refuse to fix this issue, I may have to just stock up on slim Playstation2 models to hold me over for years.

exit

12-15-2006, 10:49 AM

That's pretty funny, I can only imagine what an early PSX game would look like.

s1lence

12-15-2006, 10:56 AM

That's pretty funny, I can only imagine what an early PSX game would look like.

Actually they look just like PS1 games. The text is blocky but I tried my original PSX on my tv and it looked the same.

udisi

12-15-2006, 03:06 PM

Backwards compatible does not specifically mean all systems ever created by the manufactuer. I was saying that my wii play all my GC stuff, and yes it won't be great on a 16:9 because GC stuff was not designed for 16:9, If you want to play GC stuff on your wii on a normal 4:3 TV, the wii is 100% backwards compatible, down to controllers and memory cards. The PS2 did a good job of this with PS1 titles. I contend my wii is more backwards compatible than the PS3 because the PS3 can't even play all the PS2 games,

NE146

12-15-2006, 03:11 PM

It's the only system nearly fully backwards compatible across two generations. That being said it sure does suck at it.

Dont forget the Gameboy line.. which up until the GBA Micro was fully compatible with games released even back in the late 80's. Nothing tops that @_@

Niku-Sama

12-15-2006, 11:09 PM

No Ed, making the claim that the Wii is more backards compatible then the PS3 is a lie in every possible way. The PS3 is more backwards compatible in the number of playable game, systems and generations. Those are the only "mores". Now as for who does it better, that's different.

just because something can be backwards compatable with something 2 generations back doesent make it any less backwards compatable than any thing else.

either its backwards compatable, it isnt, or it is and it sucks (i.e. Sex-Box360/PS3 now)

you also have to take into consideration that 2 generations back for nintendo they were using carts. may be a dumb decision but it is how it happened and you cant change that. now these cart games are downloadable but its not quite the same.

Xizer

12-15-2006, 11:12 PM

Eagerly awaiting false advertising lawsuit.

:popcorn:

Lothars

12-15-2006, 11:46 PM

Eagerly awaiting false advertising lawsuit.

:popcorn:

Not as much as I am awaiting the day you stop posting.

Vectorman0

12-15-2006, 11:54 PM

No Ed, making the claim that the Wii is more backards compatible then the PS3 is a lie in every possible way. The PS3 is more backwards compatible in the number of playable game, systems and generations. Those are the only "mores". Now as for who does it better, that's different.

I think most people would agree with me when I say that you are wrong.

You are leaving out the most important "more", that being the actual compatibility percentage. When I think backwards compatibility, I think of my old games working (being compatible) with my new system. If I have a 95% chance of a gamecube game working on Wii, and a 90% chance of a PS2 game working on a PS3, then the Wii is more compatible backwardly.

*I realize that I can't back up those %'s, but from what I have heard and read they should be accurate qualitatively.

Also, the fact you are claiming PS3 to be more compatible, but Wii to be better compatible makes it seem as if you were just laying flaimbait. I guess I fell victim to that.

Xizer

12-16-2006, 12:15 AM

Not as much as I am awaiting the day you stop posting.

I await the day you stop posting as well, since you are clearly a troll. You came into this topic solely to throw out an insult at me. You contributed absolutely nothing to the topic at hand. Good job!

Gamereviewgod

12-16-2006, 12:22 AM

If I have a 95% chance of a gamecube game working on Wii, and a 90% chance of a PS2 game working on a PS3, then the Wii is more compatible backwardly.

And add in the PS1 games too. Even if the percentage is lower, the total number of games isn't even close between the two.

Soviet Conscript

12-16-2006, 12:35 AM

MrRoboto19XX

12-16-2006, 12:55 AM

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/13/ps2-graphics-on-ps3-look-like-crap/

Wow, reminds me of those old Bleem! for Dreamcast shots.

Flack

12-16-2006, 01:21 AM

You know, for Sony to make a claim like that in advertising, I'm sure it is true. However, for it to be true, you have to look at how they did their study. For example, maybe they mean "without connecting it to the Internet." Without going online, the Xbox 360 isn't backward compatible. Also they could be defining "backward compatible" as being able to insert physical media from all previous console versions (the Wii won't take old Nintendo carts).

I'm not condoning the statement, but rather just pointing out that there's most likely an asterix there somewhere that clarifies exactly what they mean.

Lady Jaye

12-16-2006, 08:33 AM

i have a friend that never had a cube but is getting a wii for xmas and hes really intrested in gc compatability. is the wii really 100% compatable with all GC games? with no known problems what so ever? not counting the 16:9 issues.

i know there was a few ps1 games the ps2 can't handle and i know about the 360 issues and now i know about the ps3 problems but can someone confirm the perfectness of wii compatability? and why can nintendo pull off 100% compatability and no one else can?

Issues with the Wii's BC seem to be few and far between. The Wii is incompatible with the Game Boy Player and there might be issues with certain third-party GCN memory cards. However, if your friend wanna play GCN games on the Wii, he'll need a GameCube controller (can be the Wavebird) and a GameCube memory card.

JPeeples

12-16-2006, 09:36 AM

The 360 doesn't need to be connected to the web for BC to be activated - users can just download the necessary software for the 360 onto a CD and burn that to the drive to get BC to work.

ubersaurus

12-16-2006, 11:31 AM

I wonder if Mario Kart: Double Dash can still be LANed with the wii's networking capabilities. I'm guessing not, but that would be pretty awesome.

Mr Mort

12-16-2006, 02:44 PM

A lie?

A choice.[/Valeris]

No, it's not a lie...it's an omission less heinous than Sony's.

Damn, I love Star Trek II, it is the mightiest Star Trek movie of all, although 6 was pretty good too IMHO.

Back on topic, as someone stated, there may be difining terms if Sony is indeed claiming the PS3 is the "only backwards compatible next-gen console". Such as; hardware based instead of emulator-based, no additional downloads/content required, etc, etc. These days you claim pretty much anything you want if you have enough disclaimers afterwards... Just take a listen to your typical radio/tv new car advertisements...

Ze_ro

12-16-2006, 04:17 PM

The 360 doesn't need to be connected to the web for BC to be activated - users can just download the necessary software for the 360 onto a CD and burn that to the drive to get BC to work.
Yep, although a hard drive is required for backwards compatibility. So technically speaking, you could say that the core Xbox 360 is not backwards compatible... although smart people will realize that it's just an upgrade away.

Dont forget the Gameboy line.. which up until the GBA Micro was fully compatible with games released even back in the late 80's. Nothing tops that
Well, unless you count PC's... they're STILL compatible with 8088 code (or have the newer 64-bit processors dropped that capability?). Aside from operating system issues and speed issues, you can still play that old copy of Montezuma's Revenge in glorious CGA graphics. Of course, computers are a different world altogether, so the comparison isn't really valid.

--Zero

Howie6925

12-16-2006, 09:00 PM

That does not look to bad I tried playing Parasite Eve for the PS1 on my PS2 with the high def component cable and it looked like total crap in the game mode in the cut scenes it was not horrible buy it was bad.

MarioMania

12-17-2006, 04:50 PM

How about PS1/PS2 MC on the PS3...

Flack - you bring up a good point, But the Wii is B/C with the GC Games out of the box also

Niku-Sama

12-17-2006, 07:42 PM

I wonder if Mario Kart: Double Dash can still be LANed with the wii's networking capabilities. I'm guessing not, but that would be pretty awesome.

OH MY GOSH i didnt EVEN think of that, that would be awsome

The Shawn

12-18-2006, 02:41 PM

Well I hope it takes the cube disks, as that's what I want for Christmas and my wife hoards the gamecube to play Harvest Moon.

Predatorxs

12-18-2006, 05:19 PM

Actually that is a straight out lie. The Wii is less BC then the PS3. PS3 plays Playstation and PS2 Games and it does so simply by inserting the disc. The Wii is only BC with the GC (which it does a shitty job of if you have a 16x9 display) everything else is not backwards compatibility, it's new content. Because you can't load the original media and must purchase the content again it is not backwards compatible.

As for the original statement it is the the most backwards compatible system. Far more then the 360 and far deeper then the Wii. It's the only system nearly fully backwards compatible across two generations. That being said it sure does suck at it.

I can see where you coming from, but how can you say something like that unless you've played a sh!t load of ps2 and ps1 with a ps3. There will be plenty of games that wont run on the ps3, as with the 360 it doesnt run every xbox title.

On a funny note, i went past a PS3 store display, and the latest news from Sony is the PS3 is so backwards compatible, it can play EVEN GC, Xbox, 360, and mega CD games, its truely amazing, even jesus has one!..... Amen!

Kuros

12-18-2006, 05:26 PM

Well I hope it takes the cube disks, as that's what I want for Christmas and my wife hoards the gamecube to play Harvest Moon.

It does, just place the disc in the system like you would a Wii game.

mlambert890

12-18-2006, 07:31 PM

I can see where you coming from, but how can you say something like that unless you've played a sh!t load of ps2 and ps1 with a ps3. There will be plenty of games that wont run on the ps3, as with the 360 it doesnt run every xbox title.

On a funny note, i went past a PS3 store display, and the latest news from Sony is the PS3 is so backwards compatible, it can play EVEN GC, Xbox, 360, and mega CD games, its truely amazing, even jesus has one!..... Amen!

And you know this how? There is a physical PS2 inside the PS3 to achieve backwards compatibility. The list of games with "issues" isnt so bad at all really and the list of games that flat out wont work is really small.

Sure it was ridiculous of Sony to say "only backwards compat next gen console", but for Nintendo fans to try to position that the Wii is somehow MORE backwards compat than the PS3 because it works with the meager library of Game Cube games (and of course, all assume it is 1000% compatible even though that benefit of the doubt is withheld from Sony) is ridiculous.

There are thousands of PS2 and PS1 games. If the PS3 works with 90% of a library of thousands going back 2 generations and the Wii works with hundreds of last gen GC games, how can anyone make the statement that the GC has "superior backwards compat".

The entire argument is just ridiculous anyway and yet another talking point for Wii fanatics. Its really getting discouraging on the forums how this whole thing is heading the way of "Mac vs PC" "debates".

The Wii has been a huge success. Why isnt that enough? I never understand why so many people pick a favorite whatever and then not only want it to succeed, but somehow need everything else to fail.

Leo_A

12-18-2006, 07:40 PM

"but for Nintendo fans to try to position that the Wii is somehow MORE backwards compat than the PS3 because it works with the meager library of Game Cube games (and of course, all assume it is 1000% compatible even though that benefit of the doubt is withheld from Sony) is ridiculous."

Huh? 1000% compatibility? People are simply saying that there are basically no errors with the Wii running GC games, the same can't be said for the PS3, Sony even publishes a list of titles that has errors in BC mode. What is there to discuss? I'm guessing your choice in the next generation console wars was a PS3 which is why your going against logic in trying to make it out to be something it isn't?

Predatorxs

12-20-2006, 04:40 PM

And you know this how? There is a physical PS2 inside the PS3 to achieve backwards compatibility. The list of games with "issues" isnt so bad at all really and the list of games that flat out wont work is really small.

Sure it was ridiculous of Sony to say "only backwards compat next gen console", but for Nintendo fans to try to position that the Wii is somehow MORE backwards compat than the PS3 because it works with the meager library of Game Cube games (and of course, all assume it is 1000% compatible even though that benefit of the doubt is withheld from Sony) is ridiculous.

There are thousands of PS2 and PS1 games. If the PS3 works with 90% of a library of thousands going back 2 generations and the Wii works with hundreds of last gen GC games, how can anyone make the statement that the GC has "superior backwards compat".

The entire argument is just ridiculous anyway and yet another talking point for Wii fanatics. Its really getting discouraging on the forums how this whole thing is heading the way of "Mac vs PC" "debates".

The Wii has been a huge success. Why isnt that enough? I never understand why so many people pick a favorite whatever and then not only want it to succeed, but somehow need everything else to fail.

Hey mlambert890,

I wasn't raining on the PS3 parade, and i DO have a Wii, to be honest the most important thing is not if its BC', but how good the new gen games are.

Its good if new consoles can play "old" games as well, but its not the "be all, and end all" If the PS3 is all its made out to be, i'll be getting me one to!