bad/suspicious seller now threatening me with lawsuit lol

[Charlie]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3009635877

After winning the auction, I informed the buyer that I would pay him on Friday, and he agreed. Communication was good up until I made a payment, after which the seller disappeared off the face of the earth. So today, two weeks after payment was made and having no game arrive to my house (keep in mind, he's in California and I'm in Washington, so it shouldn't take more then a couple days to get here), I try one last time to get ahold of him, threatening him with a negitive feedback and suspension of his account and possible legal action taken against him. That prompted the following response, which annoyed me somewhat.

"I am truly sorry for the delay on your item. I have been out of town to bury my grandfather.
I know this this is not a problem of yours but I hope you can understand. I usually do not conduct
this type of business. I have shipped out your item today. Once again I apologize but it been a difficult
time for me of late. I don't blame you if you if you choose to write a neg feedback, that up to you.
But like mentioned before it has been shipped out today. "

It seems like EVERYTIME an auction goes bad on Ebay, the person claims death in the family. All I want is my fucking game, not an excuse which sounds extremely tacked on, especially since he replied like five seconds after I sent it. If he could respond to that, how come he couldn't respond to the zillion other e-mails I threw at him? I mean, let's assume that his grandfather really died... why would it require two weeks to bury him? And how come he couldn't just send out the game the day I made payment? And why did threats of legal action suddenly change his tune?

Is there anyway I can check and see if he had listed any auctions between March 1st and March 14th?

*UPDATE*
After telling me flat out to leave negitive feedback, I recieved the following e-mail from him.
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Her are some responses I've received from other buyers. This is how civilized people conduct
respect to those who loses a family member. Why don't u read some of it and learn some educate
before calling me a liar.
Jun




i have no intention of posting negative feedback, i was just anxious about
the lack of response. i am sorry for your loss, and i understand the
delay. i will let you know when the dvd arrives.

[r][y][a][n]

Hi,
Thank you for your quick response. When Item arrives and It is in good
working order I will leave pos. Feedback. I do not like leaving neg.
Feedback when things can be resolved. I am sorry for your loss.
Thanks,
Billy

Sorry for your misfortune. That is definitely an excusable reason for not getting back to me. Don't worry, no negative feedback will be left for you. Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry to send so many e-mails too, but I know there are alot of dishonest people who operate on E-Bay.

Sincerely,
Chris Dearth



I am very sorry to hear about you loss don't worry I will not leave bad feed back. thanks for getting it shipped

Cory
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And then another one...
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Thank you for your understanding. I am, not the only one using this account. My roommate is into Basketball card and I let him use my account.
I hope someone dear to you passes and some ahole like yourself is there to knock you down. You r a ignorant loser and I am sending you your money back plus a neg feedback. All for $11 you heartless bastard. Karma will get you.

Jun
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Heartless bastard I am, becaues when I use Ebay I pay for items and not excuses. Maybe the roommate who shares the same account could have shipped the fucking item, or at least informed me that it would have been late. Do not do business with Keyntronic.

I sent him the following message.
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See, Karma isn't getting me, it's already gotten you. Every time someone like you sells stuff on Ebay and then doesn't ship it out, they claim either personal injury or death in the family. I've heard it a million other times before. If it is true, I feel for you, but quite frankly I paid for a Gamecube game and not an excuse. The excuse is BS and I'll tell you why.

This room mate of yours obviously knows how to use Ebay. Perhaps a quick phone call to him so that he can either ship my package or at least alert me that it will be delayed. Communication is everything on Ebay and when a package doesn't arrive, people get pissed off. I have nothing against you personally and I'm happy that I was able to land a super rare Gamecube game off you for practically nothing. But you should have found some way to alert me of a delay in the shipping.

But now for a couple other matters.

How can you send my money back to me if you've already shipped the game out? I don't want it for free, because I don't work that way. So obviously you're either a liar or you're trying to work a guilt trip on me, and that doesn't work. If I get the game, you'll get the money whether you like it or not, because I am not a thief.
2. Calling me a loser was uncalled for. As a buyer, I fulfilled my legal obligation to you: I paid. As a seller, you didn't do what you were legally obligated to do: send me my item. So while I am a loser, you are a petty thief.

3. Your negative feedback against me will either be removed when your account is shut down by Ebay or will be ignored because I clearly paid as I was obligated to do so. But by leaving a negative feedback to someone who put up with two weeks of you not fulfilling your obligation to me, you end up looking like a bigger jerk. Additionally, I have red-flagged you has a bad trader on several major video game message boards, which eliminates a core group of your potential buyers. And I've red flagged you to a video game ebay watch group that is going to personally alert every single person who bids on your gaming auctions that you are a bad trader and to retract their bids. If you are upset with this, I suggest going to the Digital Press forums at http://www.digitpress.com/forum and give your side of the story. I believe in freedom of speech so you should make a case for yourself, but in all likelyhood you will be told what a prick you are for not sending the item and using the dead relative excuse which all these game collectors have heard a million times before.

Thanks for you business, and I will expect my game in the mail. Failure to send me the game will result in legal charges of fraud against you. Even at $14.50, fraud is fraud and you can expect either a hefty fine or some jail time. Cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: Keyntronic
To: reneke@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #3009635877


Thank you for your understanding. I am, not the only one using this account. My roommate is into Basketball card and I let him use my account.
I hope someone dear to you passes and some ahole like yourself is there to knock you down. You r a ignorant loser and I am sending you your money back plus a neg feedback. All for $11 you heartless bastard. Karma will get you.

Jun

[Tritoch]

From the looks of his eBay feedback I guess you've already figured out the best course of action to take. :)

I hate it when people lie about stuff like that. If you've had a change of heart or simply been lazy, then TELL ME. Don't make up some lame excuse that no one ever believes.

[Kairi]

You gave him neg feedback and you said he was bidding while he was away. Were you able to check this? And how?

[Charlie]

Look at his feedback. On March 4th, he won a basketball card using a BIN, and paid right after the auction. So clearly he had access to his computer and to ebay and could have contacted me. Look at item numbers 2714161092 and 2715113912. So he was there... but he wasn't sending the game that I clearly paid for. So I left a negitive feedback and filed a fraud complaint with ebay.

[Bratwurst]

It's possible the account is shared by multiple users- still, I could count on my hand the number of times ebay sellers claimed a death in the family have delayed my stuff getting shipped out.

[TheJuggala]

Same type of thing happened to me. I was selling a fairly large game collection for my friend on my account. The guy who one, never contacted me after he one. Then a couple days later i get an email saying that he was in a severe car accident. But miracoulsly he was able use buy it now's on like 10 other auctions, while he was supposedly in the hospital.

[Charlie]

What's scary about Ebay these days is that you never know what someone on the other end of the auction might be thinking. Afterall, he has my mailing address... perhaps some sort or retaliation for giving him negitive feedback. Or perhaps he'll do like that idiot in California and sue me over it.

[shaggy]

Fuck I hate shit like this. Like this bastard who was supposed to buy a game off of me and used the excuse his GF wants and I still haven't received money. Damn bastard!

[Charlie]

He sent me the following e-mail, threatening to report ME to Ebay for ruining his reputation or something, saying that he had to send me several invoices because I didn't pay. Included with this is my recepit from Pay Pal saying that I did pay three days after the auction ended, which is hardly any violation. He then says that since he didn't state when the game would be shipped, he could ship it whenever he wants. That entire statement makes the whole Grandfather thing come off as extremely phony and tacked on.
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Your a joke and a fool. If you bothered to check my previous feedback, I have nothing but Pos. messages. I loss my grandfather, maybe you never lost a loved one before but it is not pleasant experience. And instead of showing some humane compassion, you choose to call me a "liar" publicly. I had to go to South Korea for my grandfathers funeral, and the last thing on my mine was you and your game. You have made a bad assumption and now have lied to the public about me. this is where we have a problem. I clearly apologized to you and yet you've conjured up some great lie about me making an excuse. I don't know what kind of SICK person you are but I come from a background where BS ing about a loved one passing is no laughing matter. If you are jaded from past experience on EBay then my sympathies goes out to you. But this was not the case here. Any buyers in the future will clearly check my feedback and realize your claim is a joke.You yourself did not make your payment in a timely fashion. I had to send you three invoices before you even wrote back a response. Do you really think your one bad message will stir people away after reading 30 other pos feedback. Anyone with common sense will realize your a eBay Nazi. Seriously who would ever want to do business with you. You want to take this to court then put your money where your mouth is. You want to get legal, then you should of done your research before you got cute. I never wrote how long the delivery will take, so legally the amount time for delivery was never set .So there is no laws broken here. Ask your attorney if you have one retained because I do! So why don't you check what the definition of fraud means, before you accuse someone of being a petty thief, because fraud was not committed here. Just try to shut me down on eBay, I'll let them know you have posted false information on your feedback. What you have done is equivalent to me claiming you sent me a bounced check. Now do you understand legally it's you who committed fraud. Ask eBay if you still are not clear of your actions. Also I really don't care what a bunch of 12yr olds have to say about me in some lame newsgroups. I have pos. feedback from several people with over "600" pos feedback under their belts. You have, what, 6. Wow! Why don't you ponder on that for a minute. I mean 6 is all you have under your belt. Buyers who have been on eBay for years praise my business ethics and have become regular customers. Yet they had the courtesy and understanding to still write me a POS. feed even after my absence out of the country. That shows character on their part because they are not petty and understand my loss. Come on! But obviously you skip a small detail like reading my past rep.as a seller. People aren't stupid as you think. I would of excepted your neg. feedback with grace but you had to go and write lies. You mentioned about a quick phone call to my roommate would of solve this. Once again I LOST MY GRANDFATHER!!! Do you in your small mind really believe your $14.50 comes before a death in the family. How dare you belittle my loss! How dare you call me a liar! I have millions of thing I'd like to call you but I'll keep those thoughts to myself. Like I said I have no problem with you leaving a neg feedback for the shipment being slow but best be sure if you don't correct your lies I will definitely contact eBay to report your miss conduct. CHEERS

Jun
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Date Type Status
Mar 1, 2003 Payment To Jun Song Completed
Mar 1, 2003 Transfer From Credit Card Completed












Name:
Jun Song (The recipient of this payment is Verified)
Email:
keyntronics@netscape.net
Your Auction ID:
aura_force






Amount:
-14.50






Insurance:
0.00
Shipping:
3.50
Quantity:
1
Item/Product Name:
Evolution Skateboarding GameCube new/sealed
Item/Product Number:
3009635877
Date:
Mar 1, 2003
Time:
11:20:53
Status :
Completed

[wberdan]

personally, i dont think this guy was bullshitting.... he simply went on way too long to seem like a bullshitter...

i agree that ebay rules should be abided by, but what DO you do if someone really does die in your family while the auctions are on?
personally i wouldnt fuck around worrying about shipping packages...

it's impossible to tell who is 'right' in this situation....
but i do think you were just a little hard on the guy, i mean- for every 10 people that bullshit that excuse, there is maybe one who was truthful.
perhaps he was bullshitting, but i still thoguht you were a little hard on him...

willie

[Griking]

Why are you posting all of this?

You think he screwed you and you left him a negative. You'll both now report each other to ebay. Why not just drop it and forget about it?

[CrazyImpmon]

I still think someone's fishy with the seller. The seller did have access to internet as it was pointed out he was bidding on a few auctions. If that was really his friend, why could he get his friend to wrap up a few deals and ship out the merchandise rather than to leave the bidder high a dry with no communication for 2 weeks? Or that it was a coincidence he happened to be back from the funeral and started recieving emails the same time Charlie sent the warning about no merchandise and no communication.

It doesn't look that good for the seller. Whether he did have a family issue or not, that's no reason for him to just dissapear for 2 weeks. Surelt he had a few minutes to send all buyers an email he had a funeral to go to and won't be back to finish transcation for a while?

[punkoffgirl]

Willie was selling items left and right on eBay at the end of December '01. Without warning, his harddrive failed, giving him no internet access. Not only that, but he also lost any/all emails with mailing information that he hadn't already printed out. AND he also had a few auctions that he had been bidding on and ended up winning, and he had no way to contact these people to get payment information. I tried to take care of a few of these things for him, but it was VERY hard to convince people to tell me anything. Even though we both have the same ISP, so except for user name, our email addys are the same. *shrug*

[Charlie]

He's now threatening to sue me for harassment and defromation of character.
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I have spoken to my attorney and he has purchased a mediator from ebay. Like I stated before it's not about the money anymore because this is costing me a lot more than $14.50. We will settle our differences soon. Deformation of Character
is not a laughing matter nor is it a joke. On top of it I actually have the option to sue for harassment charges against you. Now it's up to you on how you wish to settle. I will no longer write you after this unless you respond with a reasonable solution we both can agree on. If not I'll speak to you with the mediator.

[Sniderman]

Deformation of Character is not a laughing matter nor is it a joke.

It is the way this assmunch is spelling it. (It's "defamation.")

Anyway, I sincerely doubt this guy called "his attorney," over $11. He's using every eBay excuse in the book. "SOmeone near me died, hence the delay." "I've called an attorney because of your harrassment."

Next he'll claim that you'd better stop picking on him because "I know karate." :roll:

[Charlie]

Can you believe it, the scum fucker actually had the nerve to pay $20 for a mediator. On top of that, he never showed up to actually negotiate, and the mediator closed the case lol.

So, I'm officially out $14.50 now since asshole now has another negative feedback.

[bargora]

Deformation of Character is not a laughing matter nor is it a joke.
I have seen this deformation of character, especially in Super Puzzle Fighter.

I can't figure why this guy would pay the cash for the mediator if he was full of shit. But then, I can't figure out why he would flake out on the mediation if he was telling the truth. And I can't figure out why anybody would share their ebay account with a roommate.

Much here is inscrutable.

[cheesystick]

Should we start a "Transactions from Hell" thread???
This takes the cake. I have a guy I could put in it though. He was an asshole, very much like this guy, but at least i knew flatout that he was a moron. He called himself Moomar and put 'moo moo moo' in almost every sentance. Even in the negitive feedback he left me, it mostly started "Moo Moo Moo!"
God, what Mooron.
-crispy

[Achika]

No, but check the Ebay Classic Gaming Blacklist stickied at the top of the Ebay Insanity Forum

[bargora]

Oh, yeah--I've got a seller who's got a sad, sad story to tell, as well. And it goes something like this:


I cannot begin to apologize enough for this horrendous delay...

As most of you know, my computer power supply died several weeks ago and I was using my husband's computer to try to get things back in order...

Shortly after that happened, my husband had a death in his family in Alabama so we had to go from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan to Alabama for a week and when we got back, the change in climates had us all very ill for several days...

I WILL be shipping these games out to you within the next two days however.

Again, I apologize more than you can know for the delay... :(


Please, once again, send me your shipping information just so I'm sure I have everything straight. Things have been so hectic that I don't want any mistakes... I appreciate you patience...
Auction won 2/17
Payment received and positive feedback left by seller 2/22
email (quoted above) received 3/9
auction at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3008427575

So I emailed her back with my address that day.

My follow-up ("whassup"?) email 3/19
My second follow-up email 3/21

Well, who knows...

[Vlad The Impaler]

I have been on the other side of this. I am a long time Ebayer with, thankfully a 100% feedback record. About a year ago, I watched my 2 year old niece being pulled out of my parent's pond at a family gathering - dead.

The one guy who I owed an item to could not be nicer. He even sent me a Messenger message for me so that I could talk to somebody if I needed to through that difficult time. I will never forget the kindness of someone who I have never met, and never will.

Bereaved people don't feel like going to the post office, or even bothering with everyday stuff. To be fair, a lot of people BS with this 'death in the family' routine, but sometimes it is not the case. The fact that he has sent you such a long email suggests to me that he is genuine.

You have nothing to lose by offering an olive branch to him; you might even get your game and avoid any more hassle. Being nice costs nothing. If he is really suffering, he probably thinks that you are the biggest a**hole on the planet about now. I had to deal with some customers all through the bad times, as my brother with whom I am in business with could not. Only one person failed to be understanding about what I had been through. Don't be that person in this case....

[Charlie]

Hey, sometimes people aren't lying. And sometimes they are bidding on other items and stiffing people who paid for their items weeks before I did.

[Starcade]

So, will you be getting your game, or not?

[Charlie]

Not lol. Oh well fuck it, I got a ton of games at Costco today so I'm happy. My karma is nice and balanced. But I would like to have had that Evolution Skateboarding.

[Chunky]

I would say it's 95% chance the guys FOS. When i go to funerals, and i been to fricken many, i always either keep the obituary or prayer card. and thats evidence enough to prove anything.

[Charlie]

Well son of a fucking bitch, Pay Pal only refunded me a whopping 77 cents.

To anyone who says I should drop it, let me just say that I don't steal, and when someone steals from me, I get very, very pissed off.

So the first step is to call Pay Pal and bitch about the money I got back. That should be enough to get a full refund and get his account shut down.