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Zadoc
01-16-2007, 03:46 AM
Before you all start throwing rocks at me, just hear me out first.

There are no new genres in the videogame industry today and that there haven’t been in quite a few years. It seems that the best that one can hope for is a fresh new take on an existing genre, as Bungie did with Halo, as Valve did with Half-Life, as Visual Concepts did with NFL 2K, and as Nintendo did with Super Mario 64.

Platformers, shooters, RPG’s, RTS games, MMORPGs, sports… genre’s become stale and the market becomes inundated with a new Sims game every six months, a new Madden game once a year, ten different Army Men games, and so many Medal of Honor titles that even EA has lost count.

One genre, however, has been left dormant for nearly a decade. It’s been tucked away under the beds of game developers and stuffed into a sock. But now, it’s ripened and is ready to be welcomed not only by gamers, but by that mythical group of consumers known as the ‘casual gamer,’ and by those who have never played video games at all.

In the 1990’s, a new fad had appeared in the gaming world. The CD format was seen as the future by both software developers and hardware manufactures alike. It was a cheap replacement for costly cartridges, and it could deliver CD-quality sound and even full motion video. Yes, I am talking about the forgotten genre of the infamous FMV game.

FMV games of the 90’s are left buried and dead for good reason; they sucked, they were horrible, and everything about them should be forgotten, except for the lesson to be learned from the experience.

Technology of the time delivered barely watchable, grainy video that could not approach any resemblance of TV quality. If that wasn’t horrible enough, the budgets for these games meant that developers could only hire actors who couldn’t even land a job in soaps. Even if the actors were skilled, there wasn’t enough money in the budget for a well-written script and an engaging plot to come to light.

Today, current and next generation systems are all capable of DVD quality sound and video, some are even equipped for high definition; blockbuster game budgets rival those of major Hollywood movies, and a weekend opening for a video game launch can shame the box office draw for a major motion picture. What we have is the technology, the ability and the budget, but we have not the desire.

How can FMV games be good, let alone bring a new type of gamer to the market?

There have been numerous games based on movies and TV shows alike; The Terminator, The Simpsons, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Blade, Batman, Robocop, CSI, Law & Order, Farscape, Pirates of the Caribbean, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Lord of the Rings, and even a recently announced game based on the TV drama Desperate Housewives.

The average reception of games based on movies is a-typical of the reception of movies based on game franchises (which is famously dismal). The sales of games based on movies is historically poor. Generally, a publisher gains the rights to X movie/TV franchise and puts out a piece of software that is completely devoid of anything resembling art, not to even mention fun. This narrows the market for the game released to only fans of the TV series/movie who are willing to by the software and who already own the game system that the title is released for.

Imagine a game released based on a popular TV series such as Friends, Gilmore Girls, Lost, or (insert name of TV show here). Not a game licensed out to a developer who intends to use the intellectual property for a quick buck before they move on to a new project, but imagine if this were an FMV game. Not a game with a poor script, small budget and bad actors, but a game that was co-produced by the same producers of the TV serial, and used the same writers and actors. Now imagine if this game bridged a gap in the story-arc of the TV series.

Such a game could allow for a consumer to enter the virtual world of their favorite TV show and interact with their beloved characters. With the possibility for multiple paths to be followed in the game, there in lies the possibility for multiple outcomes in the game, thus high replayability.

The game described would not only appeal to gamers, but would also appeal to the non-gamer, a number of whom would be willing to purchase a new game console just for the chance to become a part of their favorite story. Non-gamers would especially be inclined to come to the game market if the FMV game were to reveal important plot developments in the show.

If the FMV concept were to be revived, there lies the possibility for Hollywood to find a new outlet for their creativity, a new way to capture the minds and hearts of consumers, a new depth to storytelling can be discovered. There also lies the possibility for game publishers and developers to expand based on gaining the rights to these properties, and for console manufactures to experience a surge in sales as the non-gamer comes to their system to play the newest chapter in their favorite TV show.

Cryomancer
01-16-2007, 03:52 AM
I completely agree, I've been saying the bit about having the technology to make it look good for awhile now. Hell I kinda like the older FMV games even. If they released a budget DVD set of all the Digital Pictures game footage, I'd probably buy it. Hell I even rented, ripped, and uploaded to the internet the movie Game Over (it uses footage from a few DP games). So yeah, if a revival were to happen, I'd be very interested.

The only problem with FMV games are the restrictions it creates on the gameplay itself. Mostly of them are Dragon's Lair-like, and it's not hard to image why. For every possible thing you want to happen, you've got to film it happening. And it can be kinda hard to do 10 different perfect takes from the frame before the event split. But now that the video and audio would be the easy part, perhaps some intelligent developers could make new ways to use FMV.

Oh god...someone make a modern point-and-click adventure game with FMV. I'd buy that.

Zadoc
01-16-2007, 03:54 AM
I completely agree, I've been saying the bit about having the technology to make it look good for awhile now. Hell I kinda like the older FMV games even. If they released a budget DVD set of all the Digital Pictures game footage, I'd probably buy it. Hell I even rented, ripped, and uploaded to the internet the movie Game Over (it uses footage from a few DP games). So yeah, if a revival were to happen, I'd be very interested.

The only problem with FMV games are the restrictions it creates on the gameplay itself. Mostly of them are Dragon's Lair-like, and it's not hard to image why. For every possible thing you want to happen, you've got to film it happening. And it can be kinda hard to do 10 different perfect takes from the frame before the event split. But now that the video and audio would be the easy part, perhaps some intelligent developers could make new ways to use FMV.

Oh god...someone make a modern point-and-click adventure game with FMV. I'd buy that.

To imagine a "good FMV style game," look no further than Hideo Kojima's Snatcher.

Now, imagine if a game like that were done today with the cast of Law & Order: Criminal Intent, for example? Or maybe if it were done with Donald Trump and was about his TV show?

Kamisama
01-16-2007, 04:32 AM
I never really liked FMV Games back in the Days. I wonder If I should try one again... hm ^^;

Cryomancer
01-16-2007, 04:35 AM
To imagine a "good FMV style game," look no further than Hideo Kojima's Snatcher.

Now, imagine if a game like that were done today with the cast of Law & Order: Criminal Intent, for example? Or maybe if it were done with Donald Trump and was about his TV show?

Well, those kinds of liscenses would make we personally want the game LESS, but i realize you're speaking of it in terms of writing/acting skills. Honestly if a developer was willing to take it seriously it could be done.

Hell, the game Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy practically could have been FMV.

Cryomancer
01-16-2007, 04:37 AM
I never really liked FMV Games back in the Days. I wonder If I should try one again... hm ^^;

Sorry to doublepost...but if you're looking for FMV titles to try, I kinda like Masked Rider / Kamen Rider ZO for Sega CD. The problem is that FMV games are seemingly most plentiful on Sega CD, yet it is probably the weakest system image-wise. Check around for PC versions of games, or maybe try downloading some LD versions of things and playing in the emulator Daphne. Daphne is great for animated games like Dragon's Lair and Cliffhanger.

Zadoc
01-16-2007, 04:40 AM
Well, those kinds of liscenses would make we personally want the game LESS, but i realize you're speaking of it in terms of writing/acting skills.




...and public appeal. :)

smork
01-16-2007, 06:03 AM
From what I understand PS3 Railfan is FMV. So it's not completely dead, eh?

Policenaut
01-16-2007, 06:20 AM
Snatcher is not a FMV, it's is more like a digital comic. I enjoyed several FMV on SegaCD; Revenge of the Ninja, Road Avenger, Dragon's Lair, Fahrenheit, Ground Zero:Texas, Kamen Rider and others.

Kamisama
01-16-2007, 07:58 AM
Sorry to doublepost...but if you're looking for FMV titles to try, I kinda like Masked Rider / Kamen Rider ZO for Sega CD. The problem is that FMV games are seemingly most plentiful on Sega CD, yet it is probably the weakest system image-wise. Check around for PC versions of games, or maybe try downloading some LD versions of things and playing in the emulator Daphne. Daphne is great for animated games like Dragon's Lair and Cliffhanger.

Kamen Rider sounds cool. Maybe I'll give it a try, I dont like Emulators tho.

mailman187666
01-16-2007, 09:23 AM
I didn't mind Night Trap and Corpse Killer, they weren't too interactive and had shitty acting, but I remember as a kid, playing through them more than once. I think they tried mixing FMV with a more interactive style gameplay and came up with Mortal Kombat.

Melf
01-16-2007, 11:04 AM
Mansion of Hidden Souls on the Sega CD was awesome too, as were Tomcat Alley and Prize Fighter.

rbudrick
01-16-2007, 12:39 PM
I didn't mind the bad acting and grainy video of FMV. The problem I found with them is that they were extremely clunky to control in some cases, and in almost all cases, extremely boring....they were glorified demos to show off what the new hardware could do. While it was OOH AHH at the time, they are jokes by today's standards.

With the incredible graphics systems can put out now and with games even puting real actors into games playing different characters (not just voiceovers, but their actual likenesses), I don't see any possible benefit in their revival, when FMV is obsolete, given today's technologies. Like I said, those FMV games were just glorifying the capabilities of the systems they were on, imo.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like tobe proven wrong with a game that owns at FMV, It's just that I never even saw one even back then that did.

-Rob

Poofta!
01-16-2007, 12:42 PM
PC fmv games were a guilty pleasure of mine in teh 90s. you could get them dirt cheap since no one wanted them (we're talking under 10 dollars here).

i loved the american laser games shooters, fox hunt, panic in the park and a bunch of others that cant come to mind atm.

the console FMV games, as far as i remember, i hated, they were somehow even worse and i couldnt squeeze even a little bit of fun out of them.

Jorpho
01-16-2007, 12:42 PM
Sigh. We did this exact same thread last year, Mr. Zadoc, and your arguments were just as senseless back then.
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81929

Poofta!
01-16-2007, 04:06 PM
Sigh. We did this exact same thread last year, Mr. Zadoc, and your arguments were just as senseless back then.
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81929


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LOL

agbulls
01-16-2007, 05:00 PM
Mad Dogg Mcree to the rescue! Woopeedeedooooo. In all seriousness, I agree. We do need more genres. Good work on the well thought out argument :)

Sothy
01-16-2007, 06:45 PM
Wing Commander 3 was extremely good on both psx and 3DO
"3DO version slightly better imo"

but cant think of many other examples of good FMV games.

Ponyone
01-16-2007, 06:59 PM
I have a soft spot for fmv.

Anyone remember when they tried to implement it in movie theatres?

Not sure if it ever actually materialized (I think one little theatre did it) but they would play the fmv, and each seat would have a voting control (kind of like on Funniest Home Videos) and the movie goers would vote on what would happen next. The most votes for a choice would win, and the movie would go in that direction.

Wavelflack
01-16-2007, 07:04 PM
Sounds pointless to me.

The reason for the existence of FMV games was the state of graphics technology back then. If you wanted to "control" a realistic looking character, the only choice was digitization of a real actor. If you wanted "realistic" backgrounds, the only choice was digitized backgrounds. FMV games certainly weren't being pushed for their play mechanics. The games sold in spite of their play mechanics, which essentially boiled down to either minimal interaction with the FMV elements (Sewer Shark, Pyramid Patrol, action plastered over FMV, etc.), or having the player acting as an occasional switcher, activating canned FMV sequences.

Once graphics tech evolved to the point it is today (and has been for some time), where the characters and backgrounds are essentially photorealistic, there is really no point in reactivating the pitifully cobbled-together half solution that FMV was.

This has got to be the worst case of nostalgia blindness I've heard of.
:)

LiquidPolicenaut
01-16-2007, 07:10 PM
Hell, the game Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy practically could have been FMV.

Hey, I like Indigo Prophecy! I see your point though....

Snatcher is still my all-time fav game, but it defintiely shouldnt be considered an FMV. Digital comic is the best term for it. Plus, if it were FMV, imagine all the horrible actors, actresse, loactions, etc. in real time..eewwww

I think it'd be nice to see some of the older titles get re-released on DVD players. I actually kinda enjoyed the likes of Night Trap (looked even better on the 3DO), Road Avenger, Time Gal, Sherlock Holmes and the underrated Dracula Unleashed. Both Sherlock Holmes and Dracula Unleashed were released for DVD players and came out quite well, but, oddly enough, I still enjoy both a little more on the Sega CD.....

E Nice
01-16-2007, 07:29 PM
Do the Dance Dance Revolution type games count as FMV games?

Sweater Fish Deluxe
01-16-2007, 07:30 PM
Sigh. We did this exact same thread last year, Mr. Zadoc, and your arguments were just as senseless back then.
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81929
Hey, but that "Sweater Fish Deluxe" guy from that topic has a good point. I agree with him.


...word is bondage...

Cryomancer
01-16-2007, 08:31 PM
Hey, I like Indigo Prophecy! I see your point though....



I never said it was a bad thing, heh.

PapaStu
01-16-2007, 08:50 PM
Hey, but that "Sweater Fish Deluxe" guy from that topic has a good point. I agree with him.


...word is bondage...


...lock is bondage...