The 360 will win [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

Anthony1

01-24-2007, 02:12 AM

Can you feel it? I can.... I can feel it in the air. The winds are changing. A new victor will emerge

cue Phil Collins (In the Air Tonight)

I can feel it coming in the air tonight, Oh Lord
I've been waiting for this moment, all my life, Oh Lord
Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, Oh Lord, Oh Lord

Well, if you told me you were drowning
I would not lend a hand
I've seen your face before my friend
But I don't know if you know who I am
Well, I was there and I saw what you did
I saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off the grin, I know where you've been
It's all been a pack of lies

And I can feel it coming in the air tonight, Oh Lord
I've been waiting for this moment for all my life, Oh Lord
I can feel it in the air tonight, Oh Lord, Oh Lord
And I've been waiting for this moment all my life, Oh Lord, Oh Lord

Well I remember, I remember don't worry
How could I ever forget, it's the first time, the last time we ever met
But I know the reason why you keep your silence up, no you don't fool me
The hurt doesn't show; but the pain still grows
It's no stranger to you or me

And I can feel it coming in the air tonight, Oh Lord... :)

Stark

01-24-2007, 02:38 AM

Anthony1's shortest post ever.

What will the 360 win anyways? Being the oldest I guess.

Emuaust

01-24-2007, 02:51 AM

Ill say WTF,

There was an interesting podcast on 1up the other day that stated reasons how
this may not happen and meh it could be true.

Also Is someone logged in as Anthony1 as this is a tad weird?

gdement

01-24-2007, 02:56 AM

The industry has changed. There's too much cross-platform development for only one console to win. There will be at least 2 viable systems, if not all 3.

DigitalSpace

01-24-2007, 03:09 AM

I think someone zapped Anthony1 with the Phil Collins Ray™ right as he was about to type a long rant as to why he thought the 360 would win.

For those who don't know, upon being zapped by the Phil Collins Ray™, whatever subject one talked about will be replaced by the appropriate Phil Collins/Genesis song. For example, if one is talking about politics, they'll start quoting lyrics from "Land of Confusion." Trying to warn another person that the girl they're after will only hurt them? "Easy Lover." Talking about how you lost a dancing contest? "I Can't Dance." The Phil Collins Ray™ can't associate a song with what you're talking about? "Sussudio."

Prolonged exposure to the Phil Collins Ray™ may lead to baldness. It is believed that the Phil Collins Ray™ may have been used in securing Phil Collins a role in the hit 2006 videogame Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories. Nobody at Rockstar Games or Take-Two would comment.

In tune (haha, I humor myself) with the 80's, the decade of which Phil Collins was at his peak, each Phil Collins Ray™ was created from an old Nintendo Zapper. The creators of the Phil Collins Ray™ knew their roots.

http://www.onlinestuffs.com/pictureupload/bild12/r7p9ed6trufvudr3rz7h.jpg

Cryomancer

01-24-2007, 03:28 AM

It's not gonna win if you give it a shitty themesong like that.

GrandAmChandler

01-24-2007, 08:38 AM

I can never listen to that song again. Thanks.

crazyjackcsa

01-24-2007, 08:49 AM

Oh Anthony1, you joker! How half of your posts can be interesting, insightful and worthwhile, yet he other half is pure tripe much like this. How do you do it?

Kroogah

01-24-2007, 09:00 AM

http://www.spaceballsthewebsite.com/yashiro/dogs/dogass.jpg

scooterb23

01-24-2007, 09:18 AM

http://uplink.space.com/attachments/181971-screw_ball.jpg

I still don't understand how one console is supposed to "beat" any other, and why I should care.

le geek

01-24-2007, 09:48 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANTHONY1!1!!1!

:bday: :band: :villagepeople: :cheers: :drinking: :dance:

segagamer4life

01-24-2007, 09:50 AM

well I am not sure why it matters "who will win" or "who will "lose?" but it won't be determined for quite some time, if at all, anyway its more fun to enjoy each system and their respective games rather than banter on who will "win" a console war, because after all, WE are the real winners.... we get to play all the great games. :-)

I know that last part was extremely lame... lol

Imstarryeyed

01-24-2007, 10:21 AM

Everyone when discussing this, please try be as quiet as possible.. shhhhhhh..
This topic is very old and very tired and needs its rest...

s1lence

01-24-2007, 10:37 AM

I still don't understand how one console is supposed to "beat" any other, and why I should care.

So true, why should I care as long as there are good games for me to play.

Icarus Moonsight

01-24-2007, 10:41 AM

It's a very positive post. Short and to the point. Excepting the added flavor of the included Collins lyrics. Which could help explain his selection to someone that didn't know the song.

Wait a gdamn minute here...

ZOMG!!! Anthony1 is a Snatcher! You're being reported to Hunter HQ now you vile biomechanical scum bag. *Achoo* They know that I know! They're gonna get me next! Noooo! Lock your doors. Secure your booze. It's gonna be a cold winter in hell.

I like to singa
about the moona and a Juna and the springa
I like to singa
about a sky of blue and tea for two... Moo!

veronica_marsfan

01-24-2007, 11:16 AM

<b>The 360 will win </b>

Probably. It had a one year headstart on all the other consoles. The Nintendo is a great system but many people still think Nintendo = Disney-equivalent = kiddie = avoid.

PS3 was the only viable platform to beat the X360, but with the insane $600 pricetag it's just too expensive for people to afford.

So the 360 will probably win.
Simply because the other consoles
are not viable enough to catch up.

DeputyMoniker

01-24-2007, 11:20 AM

I think someone zapped Anthony1 with the Phil Collins Ray� right as he was about to type a long rant as to why he thought the 360 would win.http://www.onlinestuffs.com/pictureupload/bild12/r7p9ed6trufvudr3rz7h.jpg

I loved that!! Very funny, DigiSpac.
...only at DP.

Lady Jaye

01-24-2007, 01:45 PM

yeah... and to the point. :)

Is there a Peter Gabriel edition?

BTW, what the hell have you been smoking, Anthony1? Seems to me like strong stuff...

Slate

01-24-2007, 04:41 PM

BTW, what the hell have you been smoking, Anthony1? Seems to me like strong stuff...

Perhaps it's the stuff mario got in this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ziP7_0rHLOI

"Lol" And on the topic, Considering that GoW is selling out in japan and the PS3 is doing bad in japan, It's looking great. I can't wait to see what'll happen next christmas. :)

DeputyMoniker

01-24-2007, 04:50 PM

This just in:
Microsoft in hot water over forum edits.

Story Highlights� Microsoft offered to pay a blogger to "correct" DP posts
� Digitpress "disappointed" Microsoft would take this approach
� Microsoft says entries were inaccurate and heavily slanted

I have only 1 question. How much did you get, Anthony1?

jajaja

01-24-2007, 05:07 PM

This just in:
Microsoft in hot water over forum edits.

I have only 1 question. How much did you get, Anthony1?

Hehe, that MS thing is not the same thing tho. Wikipedia is objective, comments like "<insert console here> will win" is subjective. More info about the case here:

http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/01/an_interesting_offer.html

(I know you're just joking, but i had to say it hehe ;))

TheTrench

01-24-2007, 05:47 PM

My point of view Microsoft has the upperhand right now. What they will do with it, we will see. Sony will make a profit, but not right away. Microsoft needs to keep improving, after the next generation (after 360 and PS3), we will trly see who the victor is.

Microsoft needs to win Japan. They need to make it appeal to millions of people there. Perhaps have the Japanese release be made there, with a Japanese name, but the same games and same features the USA version gets.

Sony might resort to becoming the next Nintendo, although Nintendo is improving over last gen.

Poofta!

01-25-2007, 02:31 AM

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/zheleznyak/3bunny_pancake.jpg

MegaDrive20XX

01-25-2007, 02:49 AM

God bless Pancakes and Bunnies..

RegSNES

01-25-2007, 02:57 AM

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/zheleznyak/3bunny_pancake.jpg

Kiwaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!

Anthony1

01-25-2007, 03:02 AM

Ha ha, man some funny replies. No, to be totally truthful, I'm actually dead serious about this. What happened, is that last nite I was sitting down in a chair and my mind was just wandering, and I started thinking about the 360, and this strange sensation came over me, and it was like an epiphany. I now feel that the 360 will absolutely dominate this generation of consoles. I can't point to any one thing, in terms of why they will dominate, but I just know it to be so. It's not going to happen overnight, but in a few years, this discussion will seem comical, cause it will be so obvious to everyone that they have the No.1 spot.

A bunch of people were saying, "why should we care who wins". I agree with that. It really doesn't matter very much. I'm owning all three, and enjoying all three, and I hope very much that none of the three flame out completely, but I just think Microsoft has this era locked down, and it's only a matter of time before it's obvious to everybody. I've been gaming for a long time, and I just have a very strong feeling about this. I just know. Ok, I understand that this sounds dumb, but I can feel it in my bones.

In regards to the Phil Collins song, if anybody ever saw the very first Evander Hollyfield - Riddick Bowe fight, (which was a classic fight by the way), Riddick Bowe had this song play during his introduction, and even though I was the biggest fan of Evander Hollyfield, when that song was playing, I knew instantly that Evander had no chance whatsoever. I could just feel it. Before a single punch was thrown, I could just feel it, and I knew that Evander was going to lose. You could see it on Riddicks face. I have that same exact feeling with the 360 now. The 360 is going to win. Is this a really big deal? Not really. But you can take it to the bank. I wish I could put money on this at Vegas. If I could get 10 to 1 odds, I would put 10 grand on it.

Emuaust

01-25-2007, 04:46 AM

THERE WILL BE NO CLEAR WINNER,
ONLY LOSERS.

NINTENDO IT"S TIME TO GO.......

On another note, sothy was hoping his 360 had naitve RGB, otherwise he would be perfectly happy with it.

petewhitley

01-25-2007, 07:28 AM

I just think Microsoft has this era locked down, and it's only a matter of time before it's obvious to everybody.

I agree, if only because online gaming is fast becoming the key factor. Xbox Live is sooo far ahead of anything Sony or Nintendo have even dreamed of. World of Warcraft is the best selling computer game of all time; it's not a console title but it speaks to the popularity of online gaming. Microsoft doesn't have to "win" Japan to become #1 in the U.S. Two completely different markets. Madden didn't have to "win" Japan to become the best-selling console title in the States.

veronica_marsfan

01-25-2007, 08:48 AM

BACK ON TOPIC:

The 360 will win [in terms of maximum units sold]

Probably. It had a one year headstart on all the other consoles. The Nintendo is a great system but many people (especially teens afraid of looking uncool) still think Nintendo = Disney-equivalent = kiddie = avoid.

PS3 was the only viable platform to beat the X360, but with the insane $600 pricetag it's just too expensive for people to afford.

So the 360 will probably win.
Simply because the other consoles
are not viable enough to catch up.

Kroogah

01-25-2007, 09:06 AM

BACK ON TOPIC:

http://www.spaceballsthewebsite.com/yashiro/gayskeletons.jpg

Icarus Moonsight

01-26-2007, 02:09 AM

jonjandran

01-26-2007, 09:08 AM

Bronty-2

01-26-2007, 03:45 PM

I totally disagree.

I slid all 3 of my consoles down a hill and the PS3 won. I guess it was the sled shape, much more aerodynamic.

So clearly once again Anthony1 doesn't know what he is talking about.

Well, what's the difference as long as the ps3 comes out at Anthony's "magic number" of $299? Oh wait.... its twice that. Oops. He'd better go back to the drawing board and have another epiphany I guess. Or even better yet stop pretending there's a crystal ball. Any of the three could win.

Insaneclown

01-26-2007, 06:00 PM

360 will win shit! You never gave the Wii and PS3 a chance...they are like brand new babies. Give them about 1 year...and we'll see who will win...but it wont be the 360. Fuck Gates! But he does have good games though. lol

koster

01-26-2007, 06:49 PM

Interesting story on Yahoo today:
Video game stocks down after Xbox 360 target cut (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070126/tc_nm/videogames_shares_dc)

I guess Microsoft is trying to avoid the spectre of piles of Xbox 360's sitting next to the piles of unsold PS3s in stores.

Sony is scheduled to issue a financial report on Tuesday - that should provide some fodder for "console winner" prognosticators.

bangtango

01-26-2007, 11:44 PM

I think someone zapped Anthony1 with the Phil Collins Ray� right as he was about to type a long rant as to why he thought the 360 would win.

For those who don't know, upon being zapped by the Phil Collins Ray�, whatever subject one talked about will be replaced by the appropriate Phil Collins/Genesis song. For example, if one is talking about politics, they'll start quoting lyrics from "Land of Confusion." Trying to warn another person that the girl they're after will only hurt them? "Easy Lover." Talking about how you lost a dancing contest? "I Can't Dance." The Phil Collins Ray� can't associate a song with what you're talking about? "Sussudio."

Prolonged exposure to the Phil Collins Ray� may lead to baldness. It is believed that the Phil Collins Ray� may have been used in securing Phil Collins a role in the hit 2006 videogame Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories. Nobody at Rockstar Games or Take-Two would comment.

In tune (haha, I humor myself) with the 80's, the decade of which Phil Collins was at his peak, each Phil Collins Ray� was created from an old Nintendo Zapper. The creators of the Phil Collins Ray� knew their roots.

http://www.onlinestuffs.com/pictureupload/bild12/r7p9ed6trufvudr3rz7h.jpg

Well, if Anthony1 sees fit to make a Phil Collins/Genesis analogy, let's oblige him. Compare each current console to a singer of Genesis. Between the 360, PS3 and Wii: which one is Peter Gabriel? which one is Phil Collins? which one is Ray Wilson (doomed to fail)?

badinsults

01-27-2007, 03:16 AM

Pff, the SNES has already won the console wars.

Anthony1

01-27-2007, 03:18 AM

360 will win shit! You never gave the Wii and PS3 a chance...

I'm giving them a chance. I bought both of those bitches, so I'm definitely giving them a chance. I actually think both the Wii and PS3 will have some form of success during this Era, but ultimately neither will be able to truly claim the crown when it's all said and done. I see the PS3 having alot of success very late in the Era. In fact, I'm sure some people will argue that they ended up No.1 overall, because of all the success that they are going to have very late in this era (like 2010 and 2011), but the 360 is going to dominate during the key 3 years of this era (2007,2008,2009). The Wii is going to be a big success story for Nintendo from a financial standpoint, and I think they are going to make a killing off it, and their shareholders will love it, but ultimately I see it fizzling out with a combination of the fact that it's going to be another waiting game for the big Nintendo games, and the 3rd parties aren't really going to know what to do, and then the whole GameCube graphics thing on top of it all.

Again, the PS3 and Wii will have some success this era, I think both can actually claim they were the winners. PS3 will claim that they sold the most systems over the entire timeframe of the Era (which actually might be true, but again I think 360 will dominate when this generation of gaming is at it's peak). And Nintendo can claim they are the ultimate winners, cause they will probably make the most profits based on their investments, and they also will be able to bring out a new system for the generation that follows this one, before Microsoft and Sony.

Bronty-2

01-27-2007, 01:43 PM

but the 360 is going to dominate during the key 3 years of this era (2007,2008,2009). .

I hate to pick you on man but it's like every time you open your mouth you're just flapping your gums at what you "believe" will happen without giving consideration to other possibilities. You've probably seen this story on unsold 360 inventory already, doesn't bode well for domination does it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070126/tc_nm/videogames_shares_dc

Sure, it could be a blip and sure, the 360 could win (maybe) but honestly, keep the long-winded epiphanies to yourself. I'll try to do my part and not read another one of your threads again but sometimes its hard not to look at the trainwreck :/

Anthony1

01-27-2007, 02:28 PM

I hate to pick you on man but it's like every time you open your mouth you're just flapping your gums at what you "believe" will happen without giving consideration to other possibilities. You've probably seen this story on unsold 360 inventory already, doesn't bode well for domination does it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070126/tc_nm/videogames_shares_dc

Sure, it could be a blip and sure, the 360 could win (maybe) but honestly, keep the long-winded epiphanies to yourself. I'll try to do my part and not read another one of your threads again but sometimes its hard not to look at the trainwreck :/

You do realize that the reason they are clearing out stock is for the June price drop? Before they drop the price, they need to clear out all current inventory, so they will be cutting shipments to allow all existing 360's in the channel to be sold, and then there will be a several week period where you won't be able to find Xbox 360's anywhere, then they will announce a price drop, and then you will see a flood of 360 systems following that. This is actually extremely good news for Microsoft. Of course, they won't mention this whatsoever, cause you never, ever speak of a price drop before it actually happens.

petewhitley

01-27-2007, 03:34 PM

You've probably seen this story on unsold 360 inventory already, doesn't bode well for domination does it?

That's the kind of knee-jerk fanboy reaction to just about every financial statement that doesn't proclaim a 100% market share. Yawn. As of today, the 360 has sold more. Live with it.

chicnstu

01-27-2007, 04:06 PM

It just seems weird to think that the 360 will win when it isn't (can't ever be?) doing well in Japan. It would have to sell so much in America and Europe to manage. It has a lot of great games coming out for it though and that will really help it's sales in NA and Europe. It has some RPGs coming out too but Blue Dragon isn't selling as many systems as Microsoft wanted.

The PS3 costs a lot but it's Sony so it will still probably sell more than 360 in Japan. And of course you have the thugs and playas here in America that have to play the PS3 to be cool or for the better graphics in sports games and to play their GTAs (but it's coming to 360 too so will they go for smaller price or [maybe] better graphics?).

Wii is cheap and has a neat controller with Nintendo games, and a lot of games from the older systems. Also, Nintendo has a good amount of third party support now. I think Nintendo or third parties will be putting out things other than traditional games (like the IGN article). Like exercise games which would get a lot of people to buy the system. It would be hard for Nintendo to get the playas to play this system because they don't want to look stupid.

Then you have Australia, I don't know how sales go there.

PS: I like GTA.

EDIT: I love it when people make a comeback like "Well, the 360 has sold more to date than the other two." this early.

Ed Oscuro

01-27-2007, 05:56 PM

yeah... and to the point. :)

Is there a Peter Gabriel edition?
Hahaha :D

Ed Oscuro

01-27-2007, 05:57 PM

What happened, is that last nite I was sitting down in a chair and my mind was just wandering, and I started thinking about the 360, and this strange sensation came over me, and it was like an epiphany.
You are quite a funny guy today. Only you could make it sound like a religious experience. "And then, Bill Gates' shining visage appeared on the curtains!"

SaturnFan

01-27-2007, 06:01 PM

I just hope the Wii doesn't dominate because that would be the end of gaming for me. I need a regular controller to play games on while i'm sitting my lazy ass on the couch. I don't need to dance around jerkin my Wii contoler around getting tired and looking like a jackass. If I would want to do that I would just go outside and do the real thing, like play golf/tennis ect

I'll probaley own both PS3 and 360 and if one gets knocked out than thats fine I guess. Both are good systems

petewhitley

01-27-2007, 06:05 PM

EDIT: I love it when people make a comeback like "Well, the 360 has sold more to date than the other two." this early.

Sales data is the only factual information we have to go on. All this pontificating on the "playas" and "Japan will kill the 360" and "exercise games are the future!" is merely opinion. Yeah it's early, and yeah Microsoft had head start, but sometimes being first to market is the difference between winning and losing (in all sales, not just videogames). Fact remains, right now, more people are playing the 360 than are playing the Wii or the PS3. Thus, at the end of January 2007, Microsoft is winning the next-gen war.

Lothars

01-27-2007, 06:43 PM

Sales data is the only factual information we have to go on. All this pontificating on the "playas" and "Japan will kill the 360" and "exercise games are the future!" is merely opinion. Yeah it's early, and yeah Microsoft had head start, but sometimes being first to market is the difference between winning and losing (in all sales, not just videogames). Fact remains, right now, more people are playing the 360 than are playing the Wii or the PS3. Thus, at the end of January 2007, Microsoft is winning the next-gen war.

Well Considering both the PS3 and the Wii were released 2 months ago means nothing your post about Microsoft sold more so it's winning is a joke

I would be shocked if by January 2008 if Microsoft is Number 1

The 360 is a great system but will it will win, I doubt it,

Bronty-2

01-27-2007, 08:56 PM

You do realize that the reason they are clearing out stock is for the June price drop? Before they drop the price, they need to clear out all current inventory, so they will be cutting shipments to allow all existing 360's in the channel to be sold, and then there will be a several week period where you won't be able to find Xbox 360's anywhere, then they will announce a price drop, and then you will see a flood of 360 systems following that. This is actually extremely good news for Microsoft. Of course, they won't mention this whatsoever, cause you never, ever speak of a price drop before it actually happens.

Spare me. They do not need to hoard inventory in January for a price drop in June. It costs money to hold onto inventory for six freaking months.

Anthony1

01-28-2007, 02:16 AM

And of course you have the thugs and playas here in America that have to play the PS3 to be cool or for the better graphics in sports games and to play their GTAs

It would be hard for Nintendo to get the playas to play this system because they don't want to look stupid.

thugs and playas? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I'm hoping against hope that you aren't simply substituting the words "thugs and playas", for something a bit less politically correct. Stereotyping entire segments of the population into nothing but sports and GTA playing thugs isn't something that should be tolerated on these forums or any other forum for that matter. I really hope I'm totally misreading those comments above, but I have to honestly say that I doubt I'm misreading them.

And I'm sure you're going to come back and say that I'm totally misunderstanding what you meant by "thugs and playas", but I think anybody with half a brain knows exactly what you are talking about, and they should take great offense to it, like I do.

chicnstu

01-28-2007, 06:36 PM

And I'm sure you're going to come back and say that I'm totally misunderstanding what you meant by "thugs and playas", but I think anybody with half a brain knows exactly what you are talking about, and they should take great offense to it, like I do.

See, that paragraph there ruined any response I could have made.

What I mean by it is those people you see in school (any race if that's what you mean) with their pants sagging talking about the games with awesome graphics and sports games calling themselves "playas".

Berserker

01-28-2007, 08:08 PM

Aw sweet, another completely pointless Anthony1 thread where you extrapolate endlessly upon random suppositions and idle thoughts and argue about nothing in particular. For 10 pages.

Thank you for yet another great contribution to the forum and to the videogaming community.

Please just start a blog to unload this crap in already for the love of god.

DigitalSpace

01-29-2007, 02:01 AM

This thread isn't entertaining anymore. Where did I put my Phil Collins Ray™?

Slate

01-29-2007, 09:26 AM

This thread isn't entertaining anymore. Where did I put my Phil Collins Ray�?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7qAadfsJrmM

Yessiree...

(LOL I don't know why I posted the link to that video)

veronica_marsfan

01-30-2007, 12:36 PM

You do realize that the reason they are clearing out stock is for the June price drop? Before they drop the price, they need to clear out all current inventory, so they will be cutting shipments to allow all existing 360's in the channel to be sold

and then there will be a several week period where you won't be able to find Xbox 360's anywhere, then they will announce a price drop, and then you will see a flood of 360 systems following that.

This makes ZERO sense. You can drop the price even if your inventory is full. No need to "empty out" the X360 stock.

:devilish:

DigitalSpace

01-30-2007, 04:38 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7qAadfsJrmM

Yessiree...

(LOL I don't know why I posted the link to that video)

Man, that was bad. LOL I'm going to have that stuck in my head for most of the day. Thanks... I think.

Anthony1

01-30-2007, 05:13 PM

This makes ZERO sense. You can drop the price even if your inventory is full. No need to "empty out" the X360 stock.

:devilish:

When there is a major price drop coming in the immediate future, you always want to clear all the current inventory in the retail channel for a 30 day period. Otherwise, the retailers can become upset, because they paid a certain price for the consoles they already have in inventory. So for example, Best Buy has like 200 premiums at one of their locations, and the premium costs $399.99. All of sudden you drop the price to $299.99 and now Best Buy has to sell the premium for $100 less, when their cost on the first one was likely $10 below retail. So either Best Buy takes a $90 bath on each unit, or Microsoft gives Best Buy a $90 credit on each unit still in inventory. Most retailers will demand a credit, it's the customary practice. So the reason that Microsoft wants to clear out inventory before the price drop is to limit the amount of credits they will have to offer retailers.

Also, most places have a 30 day return policy. Which means, if you buy a premium Xbox 360 on May 10th 2007 for $399.99, and then the price drops on June 6th to $299, you can better believe that you are going to return to the store and demand your $100 difference. But if you bought it more than 30 days in advance, you can't get your $100 refund because your return period has expired. Manufacturers understand the dillema that this puts retailers in, so they normally clear the inventory channel prior to major price drops.

It's elementary my dear Watson.

jajaja

01-31-2007, 08:49 AM

When there is a major price drop coming in the immediate future, you always want to clear all the current inventory in the retail channel for a 30 day period. Otherwise, the retailers can become upset, because they paid a certain price for the consoles they already have in inventory. So for example, Best Buy has like 200 premiums at one of their locations, and the premium costs $399.99. All of sudden you drop the price to $299.99 and now Best Buy has to sell the premium for $100 less, when their cost on the first one was likely $10 below retail. So either Best Buy takes a $90 bath on each unit, or Microsoft gives Best Buy a $90 credit on each unit still in inventory. Most retailers will demand a credit, it's the customary practice. So the reason that Microsoft wants to clear out inventory before the price drop is to limit the amount of credits they will have to offer retailers.

Also, most places have a 30 day return policy. Which means, if you buy a premium Xbox 360 on May 10th 2007 for $399.99, and then the price drops on June 6th to $299, you can better believe that you are going to return to the store and demand your $100 difference. But if you bought it more than 30 days in advance, you can't get your $100 refund because your return period has expired. Manufacturers understand the dillema that this puts retailers in, so they normally clear the inventory channel prior to major price drops.

It's elementary my dear Watson.

It depends on what contract the store has with the distrubitor. Its not nessessary to sell out all the consoles that are at full price first. They could have a deal that the distrubitor covers the loss if they drop the price on the consoles they already have.

Flack

01-31-2007, 10:42 AM

Just for the record, who was the winner in the last round of consoles?

captain nintendo

01-31-2007, 11:55 AM

Just for the record, who was the winner in the last round of consoles?

Commodore 64 FTW

veronica_marsfan

01-31-2007, 12:10 PM

Just for the record, who was the winner in the last round of consoles?

PS2

Xbox and Gamecube were a virtual tie, for 2nd place.

petewhitley

01-31-2007, 11:37 PM

Well Considering both the PS3 and the Wii were released 2 months ago means nothing your post about Microsoft sold more so it's winning is a joke

It's pretty far from a joke; it's the current landscape of the next-gen consoles. In the end, no apologies are going to be made for hitting the market early. What matters is which console has the largest installed user base. Right NOW, the Xbox 360 has the largest installed user base, thus, it's winning. We'll see how January 2008 shapes up, but right now the other two guys have some catching up to do.

Anthony1

02-01-2007, 12:10 AM

Just for the record, who was the winner in the last round of consoles?

Sony has won the last two rounds.

Anthony1

02-01-2007, 12:18 AM

What matters is which console has the largest installed user base.

The thing about having the largest installed base right now that is so key, is the "lead sku factor". For the last two generations, Sony has enjoyed having the "lead sku factor" on their side. The importance of being the lead sku cannot be emphasized enough. With this generation of consoles, investment in new product has never been greater. Namco recently said that it takes about 9 million dollars to do a Next-Gen game, and that's actually on the low side. Killzone 2 is expected to cost over 25 million. That kind of investment has to be spread amongst multiple consoles to try to recoup development costs. The platform with the largest installed base (if that installed base is significantly greater than everyone elses) is going to be the lead sku. PERIOD. PS2 was the lead sku last time. No question about it. That means that the best development team that a publisher had, was going to be the one to work on the PS2 version. The PS2 version was going to be designed first, with the other versions basically being watered down versions of the PS2 version. This hurt Xbox 1 and GameCube greatly during the last generation. This time around it's going to hurt PS3 and Wii.

jajaja

02-01-2007, 02:20 AM

Commodore 64 FTW

C64 is a computer, not a console ;) Unless ur talking about C64 GS that is hehe.

Garry Shandling

04-01-2007, 07:57 AM

Gary Shandling

Garry Shandling

04-01-2007, 08:23 AM

Ha ha, man some funny replies.

Gary Shandling

GillianSeed

04-01-2007, 08:37 AM

I agree, if only because online gaming is fast becoming the key factor.

If online gaming is as much of a factor as you seem to think it is, then why is the Wii flying off store shelves? It doesn't offer a single online game yet. Please try to do so without the word "gimmick", since it's April now and it's still major Internet news when a retailer plans to have them in stock.

And why are there 11 million 360s out there (and countless Xboxs), yet only 5-6 million XBL accounts?

Microsoft doesn't have to "win" Japan to become #1 in the U.S. Two completely different markets.

That's true, but if they don't do well in Japan then they'll receive less support from Japanese publishers. Madden is an important franchise, but so are MGS, FF, etc.

GillianSeed

04-01-2007, 08:53 AM

The thing about having the largest installed base right now that is so key, is the "lead sku factor". For the last two generations, Sony has enjoyed having the "lead sku factor" on their side. The importance of being the lead sku cannot be emphasized enough.

Yes and no. Microsoft definitely has the jump on the competition this time, that's true. But many folks feel that the 360 was rushed to market simply to capture the "lead SKU" as you call it, as opposed to letting the market play itself out. Being number one doesn't mean anything if the market isn't ready for your product. (see Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast) And the fact that they've already announced a pricier unit, when console revisions traditionally are aimed at reducing prices, indicates that maybe they feel they need to tweak their approach.

Just look at the amount of PS2 sales last year, it's pretty evident that many customers haven't felt the need to go next generation just yet. Unless you own an HDTV -- and according to this survey (http://www.physorg.com/news9250.html), only 25% of US homes were projected to have one by the end of 2006 -- you're really not going to experience the quantum leap that you did from the 8 to 16-bit era, or 16 to 32. Without that, you're really just playing the same old games with slightly prettier graphics.

ShenmueFan

04-01-2007, 10:20 AM

The 360 will win overall, but the Wii will be a second-place very successful system. The PS3 will be 3rd and be considered a disappointment by everyone including Sony.

The PS2 will still be selling better than all of them though, even years from now :)

GillianSeed

04-01-2007, 11:14 AM

The PS3 will be 3rd and be considered a disappointment by everyone including Sony.
Hard to say... it's easy to count the PS3 out because it doesn't have the games right now; but the 360 was in pretty much the same position this time last year. And by releasing a more expensive revision of the 360, MS is giving up some ground on the pricing front -- one of their big advantages.

And the reasons they're releasing the new unit have little to do with gaming -- the big hard drive is all about downloading HD movies and TV shows. Did anyone here buy their 360 so they could download hi-res South Park episodes? I sure didn't. It remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.

It'll be interesting to see how the PS3 does next Christmas.