PS3 really screwed now?

[insinion]

FERROX v1.0 PS3 iSO Loader video released!

Dev'er naoneo has released a video of her FERROX v1.0 PS3 iSO Loader today. In the video she states "this works on all Firmware versions" (and implies there is a security vulnerability in the PS3's Hyper visor) which would be welcomed news to many PS3 owners if so. Obviously until such a thing is publically available the video is for entertainment purposes only, however, as naoneo is a known homebrew Dev it may very well be authentic indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnemvWw5Cuw

It could be fake but it doesn't really surprise me if this will work. You don't even need a modchip or anything, just use the loader..

[jajaja]

That is extremely easy to fake. Black screen for many seconds allows you to change between PC and PS3 input. Im sure it will be possible to load iso files one day on the PS3, but this movie was too weak to make me belive its real. They also mention something about a devkit, is this runned on a retail PS3 or a devkit?

Anyway, if its real, why is Sony screwed? Both 360 and Wii got hacked fast, wouldnt that mean that they are also screwed?

[insinion]

That is extremely easy to fake. Black screen for many seconds allows you to change between PC and PS3 input. Im sure it will be possible to load iso files one day on the PS3, but this movie was too weak to make me belive its real. They also mention something about a devkit, is this runned on a retail PS3 or a devkit?

Anyway, if its real, why is Sony screwed? Both 360 and Wii got hacked fast, wouldnt that mean that they are also screwed?

From my experience i have many friends who own a nintendo ds and a sony psp. As you know there are flashcards for the ds and loaders for the psp. Most of my friends load iso files on their psp's since it is so easy. But they still buy official nintendo ds games since they don't want to order the stuff from internet from some site in china.

If it's easy to load backups on a ps3 using some loader method. Why would you pay 60$ for a game. With the 360 you have to flash the dvd drive and that's not something everyone can do.

Just to set this straight i still support every game company and buy all my games. :)

[Flack]

An ISO loader not requiring any system modification would be disasterous to any of the big three systems right now, but it would especially hurt Sony who is already starting to talk about price drops. The actual amount of people willing to crack open a $600 system and solder is not as large as you might think compared to the overall population. The amount of people to use a boot loader is much larger -- although to be fair, it will still involve a certain amount of time and work that some people might not be willing to do.

[jajaja]

From my experience i have many friends who own a nintendo ds and a sony psp. As you know there are flashcards for the ds and loaders for the psp. Most of my friends load iso files on their psp's since it is so easy. But they still buy official nintendo ds games since they don't want to order the stuff from internet from some site in china.

If it's easy to load backups on a ps3 using some loader method. Why would you pay 60$ for a game. With the 360 you have to flash the dvd drive and that's not something everyone can do.

Just to set this straight i still support every game company and buy all my games. :)

Ye, i agree with you on this. As Flack also said, its much easier to use a loader without any internal modifications of course + its free. But screwed? I dont know about that. If its real it will for sure sell more consoles, but the game sale might not be as high. Or it can be the complete oposite, piracy isnt always bad. With this its alot of free commercial since alot more will play the games. Wii and 360 mods are also very easy to do. I wouldnt do it myself, but compared to like some of the first PS2 modchips who had like 40 wires and solder points, Wii and 360 modification is nothing :)

Anyway, i wouldnt have to high expecations because of this movie, but who knows, it might be real or someone else is working on something simular thats just around the corner. In these cases there is always some security hole, always 1 small detail that they forget about. We'll see what happends :)

[chrisbid]

there would have to be a lot of games out that people want to pirate. that isnt the case yet

[swlovinist]

It is only a matter of time before the PS3 gets hacked. I think that Sony is screwed whether or not the PS3 can be hacked or not. I look forward to their future redesign and price reduction. Only time will tell if the company can bounce back from the negative image they have created for themselves

[Kitsune Sniper]

there would have to be a lot of games out that people want to pirate. that isnt the case yet

*points to the entire PS1/PS2 library*

[Half Japanese]

Why has every homemade game-related video I've ever seen been set to some sort of buttrock? Do you have to listen to generic "alternative" or "hard rock" to code or hack? It's like the fuel for these people is angsty buttrock.

[jajaja]

Why has every homemade game-related video I've ever seen been set to some sort of buttrock? Do you have to listen to generic "alternative" or "hard rock" to code or hack? It's like the fuel for these people is angsty buttrock.

Haha. Yes, else the hack wont work LOL

[Habeeb Hamusta]

Well, since Sony is relying completely on game sales to make up for lost money...this could a real problem for them...if it's real. Yeah, half of all people who have ps3 will still buy games....but the other half would of course utilize the loader. Not to mention most people who bought are already hardcore gamers so of course they hear about this stuff.

[smork]

*points to the entire PS1/PS2 library*

Um, you've seen PS1 games run through a PS3 on a decent TV (read: one designed to make the most of a PS3), right? I'd MUCH rather hook up the PS2/PS1. Besides, hasn't anyone who wanted to mod their PS1/2 done so by now?

The PS2 has got to be the most pirated system of all time, and it still made bucketloads of money!

Anyway, I don't think anything's moving those systems until they drop the price and release some games.....

[OldSchoolGamer]

I am sure in this day and age that such developments are taken into account. I mean come on, every system gets hacked sooner or later but really, the manufactures will always make mega $$$$ for their console regardless of the minor percentage of those unwilling to pay for retail product. I don't condone it or anything but have a problem with company posted statistics and claims of profits lost through such activities..............
Waaah waaah we lost 10 milllion in sales due to piracy! Oh we forgot to mention we still made $100 million in profit, oh and our claims are based on the assumption that if the person pirating our titles was unable to do so they would fork over the $70 a piece we charge for our games (which is stupid to assume).

And so it goes on and on as it always has and always will. :evil:

[Nature Boy]

It's no more of a problem than piracy normally is IMO.

What I'm getting from a lot of you is that this is some sort of special piracy that will destroy your most hated of console manufacturers. I'm inclined to think you're jumping the gun a *tad* and you'll have to live with Sony for a bit longer still. Sorry.

Whether it's a soft hack (like a custom firmware designed to get around certain limitations) or a hard hack (like a mod chip), it's pretty much the same people doing it. Everyone I know that has hacked their PSP, say, also has hacked their Xbox or PS1/2 or whatever. And they don't exactly represent the majority of the game buying public.

[Flack]

And like I said, stuff like this will only work until the next BIOS update blocks it -- which, if you plan on using your PS3 online at all, will be a mandatory upgrade. I assume my BIOS was 1.0 when I brought my system home. So far I've been forced to upgrade 4 times -- 1.31, 1.32, 1.50, and 1.51. When you try and go online to play or check out the store, you're forced to upgrade first. Plus, some of the games I've purchased (like Call of Duty 3) have updates and patches that get downloaded as well.

It's a fact that going online has become a major part of the new generation of gaming consoles, which not only enhances the gaming experience (for some) but also gives console developers a way to fight back against piracy.

On a semi-related note, is it just me or is anyone else finding it difficult to have a decent conversation about the new generation of consoles? It seems impossible to get through any thread (especially PS3 ones) without haters filling it up with crap. It's getting really old to me.

[Emuaust]

And like I said, stuff like this will only work until the next BIOS update blocks it -- which, if you plan on using your PS3 online at all, will be a mandatory upgrade. I assume my BIOS was 1.0 when I brought my system home. So far I've been forced to upgrade 4 times -- 1.31, 1.32, 1.50, and 1.51. When you try and go online to play or check out the store, you're forced to upgrade first. Plus, some of the games I've purchased (like Call of Duty 3) have updates and patches that get downloaded as well.

It's a fact that going online has become a major part of the new generation of gaming consoles, which not only enhances the gaming experience (for some) but also gives console developers a way to fight back against piracy.

On a semi-related note, is it just me or is anyone else finding it difficult to have a decent conversation about the new generation of consoles? It seems impossible to get through any thread (especially PS3 ones) without haters filling it up with crap. It's getting really old to me.

Ive been saying this since november, what we need is to put more work into thread
titles and have "NO COMPANY BASHING HERE" then have a mod that will kick some ass ;)

[GameDeals.ca]

Every new console has been hacked. The DS, PSP, PS3, Wii & 360 have ALL been compromised. It's easy to say that it will still be a "small percentage" of people who mod their systems, but that percentage just keeps getting bigger. More people get it done, tell their friends, etc. Nintendo will always come out ahead partly because they profit on the machines, but also because of a loyalty that most Nintendo fans have with buying at least some Nintendo games. A few third party companies have that same loyalty (Square-Enix), but Sony & Microsoft don't have that luxury.

Other mods aside, this PS3 loader might be the best thing to happen to Sony. People might actually buy the PS3 if they think they can get their games for free, then all of a sudden BluRay sales go up, PS3/BluRay rentals go through the roof, and online content / digital distribution becomes viable/profitable for Sony because we have THEIR machine in our living room.

It's the third party game companies that will take the biggest hit this generation unless they can keep development costs low (which will probably lead to more crappy ports).

[Captain Wrong]

On a semi-related note, is it just me or is anyone else finding it difficult to have a decent conversation about the new generation of consoles? It seems impossible to get through any thread (especially PS3 ones) without haters filling it up with crap. It's getting really old to me.


A FUCKIN MEN

[chrisbid]

Other mods aside, this PS3 loader might be the best thing to happen to Sony.



piracy was one of the reasons the original playstation shot to number 1

[Flack]

I've seen a lot of different estimates but the one I see the most is that it costs Sony about $800 to build a PS3. That's a risky financial gamble, but in a weird world I could almost see them leaving an exploit open for a few months, move a bunch of consoles, and then plug the hole.

For those not interested in Blu-Ray movies, the Xbox 360 is very enticing ($200 cheaper and similar titles). What I think Sony is gambling on is programmers taking advantage of that cell processor, but if companies know their game is going to be copied immediately, will they even bother?

Man I am having Dreamcast flashbacks all over.

[Nature Boy]

It's a fact that going online has become a major part of the new generation of gaming consoles, which not only enhances the gaming experience (for some) but also gives console developers a way to fight back against piracy.

On a semi-related note, is it just me or is anyone else finding it difficult to have a decent conversation about the new generation of consoles? It seems impossible to get through any thread (especially PS3 ones) without haters filling it up with crap. It's getting really old to me.

And you don't even need to go online to see it happening. I've never gone online with my PSP and yet I get mandatory firmware upgrades when I buy newer games. Personally I've got no problems with it, as long as they don't brick my PSP that is. :)

It's not just you. More and more it seems like everybody just wants to vent about why Sony sucks or why Nintendo is better or whatever. In a thread started about "Wiis being rare" the poster just *had* to state they saw PS3s lying around, like that's relevant (if it were why no mention of 360s? Were they everywhere? Were they almost out?) Of course that just led to more "yeah the PS3 sucks" and me staying out of the conversation entirely.

[jajaja]

Totaly agree that its too much PS3 bashing. Not just here, but almost everywhere (atleast on the forums i'm on). Its getting really old and tired. I hope PS3 win the whole shit and crushes the competition just so those people would shut up hehe. Would be so sweet :)

[whoisKeel]

piracy was one of the reasons the original playstation shot to number 1


Man I am having Dreamcast flashbacks all over.

Exactly.

[jajaja]

Dreamcast didnt fail because of piracy, it failed because of PS2 and the selection of the games.

EDIT: About pricedrop, Sony have started to produce CELL cpus with 65ns instead of 90ns. This means cheaper production. I have no idea how much cheaper it is or when the pricedrop is comming, but it will be cheaper to produce atleast :)

[Bronty-2]

And you don't even need to go online to see it happening. I've never gone online with my PSP and yet I get mandatory firmware upgrades when I buy newer games. Personally I've got no problems with it, as long as they don't brick my PSP that is. :)

It's not just you. More and more it seems like everybody just wants to vent about why Sony sucks or why Nintendo is better or whatever. In a thread started about "Wiis being rare" the poster just *had* to state they saw PS3s lying around, like that's relevant (if it were why no mention of 360s? Were they everywhere? Were they almost out?) Of course that just led to more "yeah the PS3 sucks" and me staying out of the conversation entirely.

True, and I've been guilty of jumping in on some of those. I think part of it is just nintendo guys having some really good news to crow about for the first time in a long while. They had to read a lot "lamecube sux ps2 rox" type threads for years, and now they are giving it back!

[Nature Boy]

True, and I've been guilty of jumping in on some of those. I think part of it is just nintendo guys having some really good news to crow about for the first time in a long while. They had to read a lot "lamecube sux ps2 rox" type threads for years, and now they are giving it back!

And yet you'd hope that if they *truly* hated those kind of threads they would be smart enough not to start them again in hopes they'd all just die and the forum world would be a better place. Unfortunately people like to get their licks in.

(And, unfortunately, people will always have this need to identify with a corporation they have zero ties with other than the fact they choose to throw all their disposable income at them)