And now, some stupidity from good old SCEA!

[Fighter17]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/kotaku-magu/kotaku-magu-tretton-offers-to-buy-unsold-ps3s-for-1200-235204.php

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/10

Stupid comment at best.

(If this had a topic already, lock this)

[norkusa]

Yeah, I just read this interview over the weekend. Hilarious. My favorite part is when he says the PS3 is the only console on the market that has great software support. LOL

I like his excuse why they left rumble out of the PS3 controllers too: "We feel that vibration is not part of our future"

[theshizzle3000]

What an idiot I could have got me 12 c-notes.

[udisi]

wow, he responded to the reports with "really?". Then when presented with proof he went back on his launch day hype...talk about being unprepaired for an interview. He had to know that they were sitting in US retailers, he would have been better served with coming up wih some other spin rather than what he did.

[Fighter17]

I'm just as suprise that the idiot said that remark LAST MONTH!

[SaturnFan]

What an oblivious arrogant asswipe.....but I still like my PS3.

[skaar]

Ostrich syndrome.

[Mangar]

Reminds me of a conversation i had at an EB-Games on Christmas Eve.

Was in there just picking up some cheap used game, and was talking to the employee's like i usually do. They were telling me how Wii's are literally snapped up the MOMENT they are put out. Sometimes even as people see them come in. Whereas with the PS3's, they get bought. But are nowhere near in as high demand as people seem to think. Exact quote as memory allows follows...

"Just yesterday(Day before Christmas Eve) we put out one single PS3 at 9am. It sat there unsold the entire day, before someone bought it roughly around 8:30pm. It's been the same for most of the holiday season. They do sell, but it's not like the Wii which is near impossible for the regular person to obtain."

Not that i wouldn't want a PS3. But for 600$? Fuck that...

[jajaja]

EGM says they assume that like 50% of all people who bought a PS3 at launch were going to sell it instantly for profit. I really wonder where they took that number from. It was alot yes, but 50%? Nah, thats bullshit. So i understand why he replies "really?" to a question like that.

Anyway, this is funny tho hehe. You would think that a guy like this would be alittle updated that PS3 isnt hard to get in the stores now.

[Fuyukaze]

EGM says they assume that like 50% of all people who bought a PS3 at launch were going to sell it instantly for profit. I really wonder where they took that number from. It was alot yes, but 50%? Nah, thats bullshit. So i understand why he replies "really?" to a question like that.

Anyway, this is funny tho hehe. You would think that a guy like this would be alittle updated that PS3 isnt hard to get in the stores now.

They probly took it from the number of systems Sony claimed to have released, then did a simple e-bay search to see how many listings were available for the system. Sure, some of those system listings were frauds, but even if half of them were a scam, that still puts it at atleast 35%. His follow up to that wasnt any better.

[Steve W]

I've read that something like 10% or more ended up on eBay, but not 50%. The thing is, it really seemed that way at launch. Everybody I know that camped out for one was planning on reselling them. I think the greed and hype that resellers built up for the launch made it seem like more people were buying them just to put them up on eBay. Who knows, when people bought their consoles and tried to list them on eBay, they figured out that it was saturated with PS3 resellers and decided just to keep it instead. It might have really been 50% with auction plans, but only a small percentage carried it out.

[Darren870]

There is no doubt in my mind that the %50 number is true.

[jajaja]

They probly took it from the number of systems Sony claimed to have released, then did a simple e-bay search to see how many listings were available for the system. Sure, some of those system listings were frauds, but even if half of them were a scam, that still puts it at atleast 35%. His follow up to that wasnt any better.

Its not really possible to research this stuff to an exact number (well.. it is possible, but it would take hella lot of time and alot of research). The most PS3 i saw on Ebay at once was about 30.000. That would say the hits i got when i searched, it doesnt mean that all hits really contains what it is. Many uses "PS3" in the headline when they sell PS2 games etc. just to attract more watchers. Also, alot of the auctions were also relisted due to false bids. I was watching it closely and the auctions i watched, about 90-95% were fake bids, it was crazy :o

Im not denying that alot of people bought to resell, but 50%? Bullshit i say hehe. 35% is also alot, i doubt it was that much. If i should guess i would say between 10-15%, top 20%. But again, these numbers are just guesses, i doubt anyone has a real statistic on it. Anyway, it doesnt really matter. What matters is how the situation is now, how hard/easy it is to get a PS3 and this SCEA guy blew it hehe. I found it strange that he wasnt atleast alittle updated on it.


I've read that something like 10% or more ended up on eBay, but not 50%. The thing is, it really seemed that way at launch. Everybody I know that camped out for one was planning on reselling them. I think the greed and hype that resellers built up for the launch made it seem like more people were buying them just to put them up on eBay.

Ye, i think that is one of the reasons why people think the number is 50%, because of all the focus on the resellers.

[scorch56]

EGM says they assume that like 50% of all people who bought a PS3 at launch were going to sell it instantly for profit. I really wonder where they took that number from. It was alot yes, but 50%? Nah, thats bullshit. So i understand why he replies "really?" to a question like that.

Anyway, this is funny tho hehe. You would think that a guy like this would be alittle updated that PS3 isnt hard to get in the stores now.

I read that whole article in the current issue of EGM and found it most entertaining. I'll also give credit to EGM for asking the new president all those tough questions and NOT backing down. It's the first time I've ever seen a media presence NOT kiss ass to such a degree. I was shocked.

But the president's answers also were some of the most arrogant and totally skewed & spun answers I've seen in my entire life. That guy should write speeches for Bush. It made me resolved NOT to buy a PS3 even more.

I kept reading the article though and waiting for the point where EGM would interject "Mr. Tretton has walked out of the interview". I especially enjoyed the part where he spouted the bullshit about PS3s flying off the shelf and "staying that way", and then EGM threw some VERY recent seller surveys back in his face. He had no comeback for that. It's the same way in my town right now. I can walk into ANY gaming, toy or even for that matter "department store" and find a PS3. Hell even Fred Myer's, one of our biggest Pacific Northwest retail chains has a single PS3 sitting in it's case in the electronics department. It's been there for about a week.. currently. It looks so lost & forlorn sitting there all by itself. :( Maybe if they gave away a free puppy with it.

[heybtbm]

But the president's answers also were some of the most arrogant and totally skewed & spun answers I've seen in my entire life. It made me resolved NOT to buy a PS3 even more.

Exactly what I was thinking when I read the interview. Why would I give $600 to a company who is run by people with no sense of reality? What dream-world is this guy living in...where PS3's are "flying of the shelves"? Huh?

[Griking]

EGM says they assume that like 50% of all people who bought a PS3 at launch were going to sell it instantly for profit. I really wonder where they took that number from. It was alot yes, but 50%? Nah, thats bullshit. So i understand why he replies "really?" to a question like that.

Anyway, this is funny tho hehe. You would think that a guy like this would be alittle updated that PS3 isnt hard to get in the stores now.

I remember reading somewheres that people were returning PS3s to retailers because they couldn't make enough profit reselling them.

[SaturnFan]

I remember reading somewheres that people were returning PS3s to retailers because they couldn't make enough profit reselling them.

Thats funny. There are still dumb rednecks on ebay still trying to sell a PS3 for profit. People are stupid

[Fighter17]

I remember reading somewheres that people were returning PS3s to retailers because they couldn't make enough profit reselling them.

Ha!

I had a feeling that the PS3 wouldn't sell well at all.

A friend of mine got THREE PS3s on launch day (using three different addresses, you know, the rule that you get one PS3 per house). When he got that three PS3s, I figured it out the launch is going down the drain. If he was able to get THREE fucking PS3s on launch day, then something is totally wrong with the launch (a good number of people were ebaying it).

[GuyinGA]

That's a bit like an interview the old Next Generation magazine did with a SCEA president about the first Playstation actually.

I will say this, the PS3 makes a nice shiny paper weight.

[MrRoboto19XX]

Not to threadjack, but regarding the amount of people that sold them on ebay, I filmed a small documentary in the 36 hours before the ps3 launch, traveled to about 3 or 4 stores (but only got really good footage at 2) and asked the campers what they were doing with them.

Out of the roughly 100 people at best buy, a solid 80 percent were re-selling them on ebay, with some others buying for people who didnt want to wait in line, and less than a dozen buying one to own. I met some intresting people, and may put this all up on youtube someday, but the hype was largely for capitalism, not gaming.

[Berserker]

Judging from all the reports I read during launch, 50% sounds like a pretty forgiving estimate.

All I know is, last time I was at Meijer they had 3 PS3s. Three. And that store never has anything. They did have 2 classic controllers and a couple of sandisks, but the rest of the Wii section was completely bare. I understand that this is the case at basically any store that sells video games right now.


On-topic, it's good to know that the former Iraqi Information Minister is alive and well and working for Sony's PR Department.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/natev/sonypr.jpg

[Bronty-2]

Exactly what I was thinking when I read the interview. Why would I give $600 to a company who is run by people with no sense of reality? What dream-world is this guy living in...where PS3's are "flying of the shelves"? Huh?

Quite honestly, as soon as I heard the price I knew it would be a tough sell. The point I made a year ago on another thread is that 600 +games +accessories (or 1000 as I look at it to have a small library and an extra controller) is more than I want to pay - and I make a decent living and collect video games. If they can't make what should be an easy sale to a guy like me then quite simply not that many people are going to buy them at this price. And they are stuck with the price because of what they've put in the box...

[Lady Jaye]

Guys, what's the month on that issue of EGM???

Could it be APRIL, by any chance?

[scorch56]

Guys, what's the month on that issue of EGM???

Could it be APRIL, by any chance?

I just checked the index.. it's March and I just got it in the mail a few days ago so maybe it isn't on the shelves though. You can't miss it though.. it's got a picture of a nice shiny black PS3 on the cover; covered with a splattered tomato. LOL

[scorch56]

That's a bit like an interview the old Next Generation magazine did with a SCEA president about the first Playstation actually.

I will say this, the PS3 makes a nice shiny paper weight.

I think I've got that issue.. it's in like one of the first five. I'll have to dig it up and reread it.. but I don't recall them being half as arrogant and out of touch as this crank is, and besides.. Sony deliverd what they promised with the PSX.. IMO.

[Fighter17]

Oh god:

Another stupid comment from someone at Sony:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/phil-harrison/phil-harrison-reckons-ps3-launch-bestever-really-236075.php

[jajaja]

Quote from Kotaku comments:


well what could he say?

"the PS3 launch has been a complete disaster, we really should recall all consoles, start over and...Oh shit - I'm fired"

I agree with this, what is he suppose to say?

But put these stupid comments aside hehe, does anyone really care about it? I mean, will someone herer not buy a PS3 just because of these comments?

[ianoid]

If there was that high of a demand for the PS3 systems, you wouldn't see them available EVERYWHERE right now. I still can't find a Wii. And I really need one.

I am not surprised by the reseller numbers.

I hope that the PS3 is a high end flop. Sony has become too cocky with their lead. It's not unlike Nintendo's situation with the 64. They become too confident with their position and too complacent with develops at large. Now there are few exclusives for the PS3 planned- most are cross platform. I have to admit I am looking forward to picking up Motorstorm.

Does anyone remember the PSX? It was the home theater component version of the PS2? I think it was only available in Japan. And I don't mean PSX=Playstation.

If they can drop the 360 by $100, then I think they will concretize their lead. PS3 vs 360 is the battle of the hardcore gamers system. Wii clearly will win on the family/home front.

[GuyinGA]

I think I've got that issue.. it's in like one of the first five. I'll have to dig it up and reread it.. but I don't recall them being half as arrogant and out of touch as this crank is, and besides.. Sony deliverd what they promised with the PSX.. IMO.

From what I remembered at the time, Sony's presidents have always been like that. They were really dismissive towards the Saturn and said it would never last (which it didn't). They didn't really view Nintendo as being as sort of competition at all. They talked about 'quality' yet none of what they mentioned (like the sports titles and some of their early stuff) were that great. Next Generation were very skeptical at the time about the PlayStation (remember, they were the ones saying that the Sega Saturn was the system to get). I remembered renting the system at the time and playing Destruction Derby, Wipeout & Twisted Metal and feeling like the system was a good 'graphics demostrator' but that was it.

It took quite a few number of games (like Jumping Flash!, Final Fantasy VII, Formula One and others) before NextGen came around and were PSX backers.

[jajaja]

I hope that the PS3 is a high end flop.

This would mean less competition, why do you want that? Competition is the best thing that can happend for us consumers :)

[fishsandwich]

I loved the article... it reminded me of the infamous article in Next Generation Magazine where Jack Tramiel (president and CEO of Atari at the time) said the Atari Jaguar was superior to the Sega Saturn and comparable to the PSone (he might have said the PSone was "a little bit, a very little bit better" than the Jaguar because it had more memory.) He talked about the amazing Jaguar CD, The Jaguar 2, and how the Jaguar was going to be around for a long, long time.

One couldn't expect the man to be realistic and talk candidly about the real future of the Jaguar (he was the president and CEO of the company, after all) but to see how he ragged on the Saturn and compared the Jaguar hardware to the PSone was just plain hilarious.

It's even more funny to read things in retrospect years after the fact.

[Fighter17]

I loved the article... it reminded me of the infamous article in Next Generation Magazine where Jack Tramiel (president and CEO of Atari at the time) said the Atari Jaguar was superior to the Sega Saturn and comparable to the PSone (he might have said the PSone was "a little bit, a very little bit better" than the Jaguar because it had more memory.) He talked about the amazing Jaguar CD, The Jaguar 2, and how the Jaguar was going to be around for a long, long time.

One couldn't expect the man to be realistic and talk candidly about the real future of the Jaguar (he was the president and CEO of the company, after all) but to see how he ragged on the Saturn and compared the Jaguar hardware to the PSone was just plain hilarious.

It's even more funny to read things in retrospect years after the fact.


Amen to that.

Still, I do think the PS3 is the next 3DO (but I do think that's too much for some).

[fishsandwich]

Still, I do think the PS3 is the next 3DO (but I do think that's too much for some).

I'm thinking it's the next N64 or Gamecube... it will be somewhat successful but it will never achieve the popularity of its predecessors.

My friend keeps asking me if he should buy a PS3. I'm telling him to wait until the price drops or at least until Sony can manufacture a reliable unit... end of this year maybe?

[jajaja]

Still, I do think the PS3 is the next 3DO (but I do think that's too much for some).

I really dont think PS3 will have the same faith as 3DO. The 3DO had more failing factors. I can think of these:

- Price, $699.95. This is $200 more than PS3 and dont forget that $700 back in 93/94 were worth alot more than it is today.

- No earlier successors, "unknown" brand. Sony has 2 earlier successors, PSX and PS2, and the name Playstation. "Everyone" today knows the word Playstation, its almost a synonym for console gaming.

- Released too late. If it was released 2-3 years earlier things might have been completely different, but was released late in 1993. PSX, Saturn and N64 were "just" around the corner. I think this is one of the factors for Dremcast's faith too, that PS2 came out not too late after it. I know that PS3 was delayed for about a years, so if MS or Nintendo come up with a new console in 2 years thats alot better than PS3.. PS3 might not sell that good.

- More competition. Before Sega, Atari, SNK and NEC was also on the marked with their consoles. Today its only MS, Sony and Nintendo.

- The games. Lack of really good games that were only released for 3DO. I know there isnt too many exclusive titles for the PS3 yet, but if the library gets as big as PSX and PS2.. enough said hehe :)

- Gaming today is bigger. Today gaming and online stuff is much bigger than it was back in 93.


I think the biggest issue would be if MS and/or Nintendo releases a successor within 2 years. I dont think its likely, but who knows. If anyone care to elaborate i would like to hear it :)

[jajaja]

*Double post*


Oh god:

Another stupid comment from someone at Sony:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/phil-harrison/phil-harrison-reckons-ps3-launch-bestever-really-236075.php

I just checked the whole interview at www.gametrailers.com and i cant find those 2 quotes there. Can someone tell me where he says it?

[Fighter17]

*Double post*



I just checked the whole interview at www.gametrailers.com and i cant find those 2 quotes there. Can someone tell me where he says it?

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/763/763939p1.html

[jajaja]

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/763/763939p1.html

Thanks for the link. I do agree with him tho, why should people care about people who just bash them? If it was constructive criticism it would be something different and i havnt actually seen too much of that.

[Iron Draggon]

what's really funny is that Sony appears to be the only console company in the world that didn't learn the lesson of the 3DO: never price your system beyond the means of the casual gamer... when the price of the 3DO dropped down to reality, it began to sell fairly well... had it remained in fantasyland, it would've done the same thing that the PS3 is doing right now... mostly just gather dust on store shelves... figure it out, Sony... it doesn't matter how much money you're already losing on every system sold... you're losing even more money on every system not sold... which is more than you're selling...