Think Nintendo will put SMS and Saturn games on the Virtual Console?

[diskoboy]

The SMS came out after Nintendo... They put the Genesis up there, Why not? The Master System has a ton of great games.

I don't know about Saturn - game sizes...

[cessnaace]

The SMS came out after Nintendo... They put the Genesis up there, Why not? The Master System has a ton of great games.

I don't know about Saturn - game sizes...


I actually bought my SMS BEFORE I bought an NES, because of the great Sega arcade games. Out Run, Hang On, and Columns must be made available for sure. Great games!


Mark

[Y0u]

It seems quite possible. The SMS was pretty popular in Europe and Austraila... just like the TG16 was popular in Japan and is on VC worldwide. Games will probably be $3-$4, at least in the US and Japan, judging by the fact that TG16 games are priced lower than SNES games in the US and Gen games are lower than SNES in Japan.

[vintagegamecrazy]

MS maybe but probably not, Saturn doesn't have a decent emulator yet so no.

[RadiantSvgun]

I wish, but I think they won't. I was wishing for Sega CD games and DUO games as well. But I think they are going for the non-CD format. I would kill to have Sapphire and Dark Wizard on the Wii.

[Kitsune Sniper]

They can't even get emulation of their better systems right... I doubt they'll bother with the Sega CD, Saturn and Master System...

[Tron 2.0]

Saturn no unless they got around the memory issue.

Heck hudson has stated no turbocd games for the vc.

So i don't know how, Sega could do the same for saturn titles.

SMS i think that would be a given for the VC.

I wouldn't mind playing games like ps&alex the kid on it.

[j_factor]

SMS should already be on there IMO. They're already emulating the hardware with the Genesis emu, the games are small, and it was the #1 console in Europe for 4 years. I could see some SMS downloads becoming quite popular on this side of the pond too, when stuff like Shinobi and Phantasy Star is released. Since it would be so easy to do and it's definitely worthwhile, they'd have to be stupid to not add SMS.

Saturn on the other hand, I don't see happening. It's really hard to emulate.

[DigitalSpace]

They would make awesome additions, but I doubt either one will ever be added.

[c0ldb33r]

I'll add my two cents

I imagine we'll see SMS added before too long. It doesn't make sense not to add it. The games will cost the same as the NES ones.

As for CD based games - it'll never happen. Unless Nintendo is going to allow us to use USB hard drives with the Wii, there's nowhere to put them.

[jajaja]

I think the Wii hardware is too weak to emulate Saturn games. And then it is the space issue of course.

[c0ldb33r]

I think the Wii hardware is too weak to emulate Saturn games. And then it is the space issue of course.
If it can emulate the n64, it can emulate the Saturn.

I think it all comes down to space.

[heybtbm]

If it can emulate the n64, it can emulate the Saturn.

Apples and oranges. Considering the fact that today's PC's cannot successfully emulate Saturn games, I don't think the little Wii can. Most N64 games have been successfully emulated for a good 5 years now.

[c0ldb33r]

Apples and oranges. Considering the fact that today's PC's cannot successfully emulate Saturn games, I don't think the little Wii can. Most N64 games have been successfully emulated for a good 5 years now.
I'm sure with professionals working on it, they could get it done.

But this whole issue is moot considering there's nowhere to save the Saturn games LOL

[Celestial Avenger]

The day Nintendo puts Panzer Dragoon Saga on the VC is the day I buy a Wii.

That.. or when there's enough software I actually want to play.

[Cryomancer]

New forms of audio compression make 32bit era CD games much smaller, don't they? Someone mentioned that with the whole SOTN business. It could be done, but what Sega CD / Turbo CD games would they even add? Sure there's gems but they'd cost extra, take up more space, and most of the VC users wouldn't even know what the hell they were other than maybe Sonic CD.

SMS WOULD be nice though. I'd buy Phantasy Star for 600 points!

[Nebagram]

Doesn't make sense NOT to put SMS on there (pardon the double negative). SMS emulation is well advanced, and they already have the Gen/MD on there. Plus, well, Wonderboy. :D

[c0ldb33r]

New forms of audio compression make 32bit era CD games much smaller, don't they? Someone mentioned that with the whole SOTN business.
Yeah I'm sure they could compress them, but when you're dealing with only 512 MB of storage, you'd have to compress it a whole lot.

[Cryomancer]

SD cards, I suppose. Or they could sell discs with a handful of games on them. That would be nice. Especially if they'd do like a Dreamcast disc with samba de amigo and stuff on it...

[Kitsune Sniper]

I'm sure with professionals working on it, they could get it done.

But this whole issue is moot considering there's nowhere to save the Saturn games LOL

The Saturn had what, three, four CPUs working along each other? There's no way in hell they'll be able to run a game in the Wii with the system's specs.

[c0ldb33r]

SD cards, I suppose. Or they could sell discs with a handful of games on them. That would be nice. Especially if they'd do like a Dreamcast disc with samba de amigo and stuff on it...
I guess you're right - if they used SD cards it'd be fine. It'd work great if they released a firmware update allowing you to run games from SD cards.

[Captain Wrong]

SMS, maybe, but I don't see much call for it. Other than Phantasy Star, how many non-mainstreamers are going to care really?

Saturn? Forget it. No way. I don't care how many "professionals" you put on it.

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

I think you guys fail to realize just how unsuccessful the Mark III/Master System was in Japan. I doubt many people at Sega today even know that the system existed. It was more successful in the U.S. and quite a bit successful in Europe, but I doubt those things matter to the Japanese people who put the virtual console system together. The Mega Drive wasn't very successful in Japan either, but it did quite a bit better than the Mark III.


...word is bondage...

[c0ldb33r]

SMS, maybe, but I don't see much call for it. Other than Phantasy Star, how many non-mainstreamers are going to care really?
That's what I thought about including the tg16, but not only has it been included, but fairly well supported to boot!

[jajaja]

Considering you cant even play a simple NES ROM directly from your SD card i doubt you can play a CD image (Saturn) from it. I dont know why Nintendo wont let you play VC games directly from the DS card. Maybe it has something to do how its built up.

[Captain Wrong]

I dont know why Nintendo wont let you play VC games directly from the DS card. Maybe it has something to do how its built up.

Allowing people to play VC games from memory cards would open the door for piracy and/or hacking the VC to use plain old ROMS. I guarantee there is no other reason this is happening, err...not happening.


And I think sweater puppies...err...fish is on to something here. The reason we're seeing so much TG16? The PC Engine was a success in Japan. Maybe not as popular in the US, but it's not like it's putting anyone out to bring them here if they're already in Japan. The Mark III? Not so much. With Nintendo, Japan is the key.

[theshizzle3000]

The SMS came out after Nintendo... They put the Genesis up there, Why not? The Master System has a ton of great games.

I don't know about Saturn - game sizes...

SMS likely
Saturn not-so-much

[segarocks30]

Sms. Why not? It's for the better.


Saturn......Never happening.

[7th lutz]

The sms should be on the virtual game console. The cool thing with the sms is that you don't have to translate the game from europe to the united states due to the fact there is maybe 3 to 10 game at the most isn't compatible with the north american version of the sms. There is a potential gold mine there.

As far as the saturn goes, it will not happen.

[MarioMania]

SMS Yes, Saturn No

They could release SMS games on the VC..That wasnt released in the US - like Sonic 2, Sonic Spinball etc..

[GuyinGA]

I don't think we'll see any Saturn games on the VC, but I think there will possibly be a Sega Saturn or Sega CD Game Collection for the Wii. If the Sega Genesis collection is any indication, I think there's a fanbase for that.

I would love to see Dark Wizard or Clockwork Knight on the Wii/VC. I also think the Wii can handle the 32X so we might see Virtua Fighter 2 or Virtua Racing Deluxe.

[Wolfrider31]

I'd love to see SMS games on the VC. I loved that little system, and still have one locked up in the bowels of my house somewhere. So much fun. As far as the Saturn, I'm positive no games will ever be on the VC. You see, the Saturn's CPU ran on the hopes and dreams of small orphaned children, and only the power of Jesus Christ himself could assist in emulating it.

[Melf]

Someone mentioned that with the whole SOTN business. It could be done, but what Sega CD / Turbo CD games would they even add? Sure there's gems but they'd cost extra, take up more space, and most of the VC users wouldn't even know what the hell they were other than maybe Sonic CD.

SMS WOULD be nice though. I'd buy Phantasy Star for 600 points!

SOTN is much bigger than 50 megs. It's the first exception to that rule on Live Arcade. That being said, Saturn, Sega CD, & TG-CD games on the Wii = highly doubtful.


The sms should be on the virtual game console. The cool thing with the sms is that you don't have to translate the game from europe to the united states due to the fact there is maybe 3 to 10 game at the most isn't compatible with the north american version of the sms. There is a potential gold mine there.

Isn't it Nintendo's policy with the VC that if a game never originally came out in a region, it won't come to that region's VC?

[Graham Mitchell]

Isn't it Nintendo's policy with the VC that if a game never originally came out in a region, it won't come to that region's VC?

I think that's a good point. I don't know the rules exactly, but due to licensing and property/copyright stuff, if a game is designed to be sold in a region, the manufacturers frown on selling that game in another region. This is to prevent, say in the case of a Nintendo system, Nintendo Co. Ltd. from making a profit off of Nintendo of America's potential customers, thus forcing the the company to compete with itself. At least this is how I understood it.

I would like to think, after all is said and done and when the original titles are not markedly profitable anymore, we would be able to see some non-US games somehow make it into the hands of US gamers by some legitimate means. In some cases, this has happened (ie-Super Mario Lost Levels getting included on SM Allstars, or Tant-R showing up on the US Sega Classics PS2 disc that compiles multiple Sega Ages releases). However, note that those were always remakes, which were principally intended for the US market. There may be some exceptions to this (here's one: MSX Metal Gear showing up on MGS Subsistence), but that tends to be rare.

As such, rips of the original roms of games not intended for US audiences will probably not show up on the US VC. If anybody understands the legal mechanics of this, please enlighten us.

[cessnaace]

The Saturn had what, three, four CPUs working along each other? There's no way in hell they'll be able to run a game in the Wii with the system's specs.

The Saturn gets a bad rap for having multiple processors, but it's nothing new. The Neo Geo had two main processors (one 16 bit; one 8 bit). The Jaguar had three main processors (two 32 bit and one 16 bit). Heck. The PS3 has seven! How many does the wii have anyway?


Mark

[diskoboy]

BUMP-O-RAMA!!

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/16/rumor-sega-saturn-games-to-appear-on-wii-virtual-console/

Looks like the Saturn may happen on the VC before the SMS... This is only in rumor phase. But somehow, these rumors end up becoming fact. Plus playing NiGHTS again (with shorter loading times) would be very nice! :)

I honsetly don't see how Nintendo is going to fit those huge file sizes in the VC's internal memory, without making them playable from an SD card..

I still think SMS will show up first.

[Nebagram]

It would be sweet, so sweet, but the download sizes might well be too prohibitive. :|

Personally, I'll be happy with Mario RPG surfacing in Euroland.

[sisko]

Heck, I'd pay $20-$30 for an emulator that read the actual CD/Saturn/DUO discs from the Wii's drive. Not likely to happen though :(

[MarioMania]

They could do it so you could put in your own Saturn Games...That's the only way

[j_factor]

Isn't it Nintendo's policy with the VC that if a game never originally came out in a region, it won't come to that region's VC?

In Europe there are multiple VC titles that weren't originally released there. Y'see, NES wasn't too popular over there, and so, PAL NES got around 1/3 of the releases we got on this side of the pond. And yet Nintendo of Europe hasn't excluded games not released for PAL NES, such as Wario's Woods and Zelda II. Also, Turbografx barely existed at all in Europe. I'm not sure if any Turbo games had an official European distribution, but surely not all of the VC games were.

So to answer your question, no, apparently not.

[p_b]

In Europe there are multiple VC titles that weren't originally released there. Y'see, NES wasn't too popular over there, and so, PAL NES got around 1/3 of the releases we got on this side of the pond. And yet Nintendo of Europe hasn't excluded games not released for PAL NES, such as Wario's Woods and Zelda II. Also, Turbografx barely existed at all in Europe. I'm not sure if any Turbo games had an official European distribution, but surely not all of the VC games were.

So to answer your question, no, apparently not.

But Zelda II was released over here...or did I misunderstand your post?

[j_factor]

My bad, indeed it was, just with a slightly different title.

But Wario's Woods certainly was not.

[Captain Wrong]

Re: Saturn on VC, I'll believe it when I see it. There's still far too many factors against (the nature of Saturn emulation, the size of the images, even with compressed audio, etc.) to make me think this will happen.

[chrisbid]

the sms would be nice, but i would really like to see some arcade games on the VC. passing off NES games (donkey kong, gradius, and soon pacman) as arcade originals is getting old

and it would also be nice if nintendo stopped pretending video games were invented with the NES and make some atari or other classic era consoles available.

but the nice thing about the VC is that you only have to buy what you want to actually play. and so far ive kept my purchases to stuff that is far more expensive on the open market (TG 16, Wario Woods, R Type 3)

[rbudrick]

Is there any reason Sega wouldn't pony up and write the Saturn emulator for Wii themselves. They are pretty big partners with Nintendo nowadays? This ain't the 90s. If anyone could write a Saturn emu, it's them, and I think they've even had them for dev purposes long before homebrewers were making them. It's a little easier when you made the hardware to write the emulator. I would imagine that if it were done, it would be a Nintendo/Sega group effort.

-Rob