"Wii is a piece of shit"

[jajaja]

http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10161

According to the Spore developer the Wii is a piece of shit hehe. This is the first time i hear someone in the gaming industry saying negative things about the Wii, only thing i've seen is praising and how great it is. I think POS is abit overboard tho. Hes onto something about the AI. AI and physics requires alot of CPU power, here Wii comes short unfortunatly, comparing to the competitors and whats today "standard". This doesnt mean you can make fun and great games of course :)

Also check the fanboy comments at the bottom of the article haha LOL

[Snapple]

I think the wording in the article, "trying to make a name for himself" is apt.

I'm not going to say that the Wii has superior processing power compared to the PS3 or 360, because clearly it doesn't, but he is exaggerating just a tad, especially on the notion that Nintendo doesn't treat gaming as art like Sony or Microsoft does.

Still, pretty amusing.

[Felixthegamer]

Just somebody shooting their mouth off to get attention

[Poofta!]

i have a wii. and 360. and i agree. its a sad day when the best game on a nintendo console is a collection of lame freaking flash games.

[TurboGenesis]

I think 'Spore' is piece of shit. Along with the rest of Maxis and EA crap. (Last good thing from Maxis was Sim City.)

I'm sorry I like my games to be fun. If I want "art", I'll go to a museum. I don't play my games on Pause.

[jajaja]

I'm sorry I like my games to be fun. If I want "art", I'll go to a museum. I don't play my games on Pause.

Art isnt just pictures and things that stands still. But why not have both things? Artistic and fun games, why choose? On the other side, "art" is a pretty broad word, theres no real answer to whats art and not. Depends on the creator. So you dont need raw power to make games artisticly. Many consider games like Zelda:TP and Okami as very artistic games.

[Garry Silljo]

The whole "art" thing is tricky. If I say that any particular thing is art, then it is .... to me. Since what is or isnt art differs from person to person, there can be no definitive answer as to what is or isnt capable of it. On the other hand the same thing can be said about "fun." So it really can never be argued. I like my Wii. My wife LOVES it to pieces, and this guy thinks it sucks. None of us are wrong.

[roushimsx]

I think 'Spore' is piece of shit. Along with the rest of Maxis and EA crap. (Last good thing from Maxis was Sim City.)

Oh man, you are so dead to me :( I love Maxis to bits and pieces and I hate how EA has turned them into essentially a Sims expansion puppet company, but that doesn't change the fact that Will Wright is fucking awesome and everything he touches turns to gold. Hell, he's right up there with Sid Meier.

So what if one of the devs on the project doesn't like the Wii? That's nothing new. A lot of people have been complaining for a while that the Wii doesn't have the juice to do high end stuff (such as a console port of Spore), but those aren't really the games that are targeted for the platform (except from those bottom-tier sweatshop dev houses that get hired to do second-rate ports of games just to increase cross-platform clout).

There's probably something deeper going on here, such as this guy recently being thrown into the mix of trying to do a console port of the engine or something. Man, would that suck.

[GillianSeed]

Maybe I'm just in a foul mood today, but the only piece of shit here is Chris Hecker IMO. Nintendo has been making games in one form or another since 1889, and has shipped 2 billion units of software. For someone who doesn't appear to have shipped a single commercial title to call them on the carpet seems a bit disingenuous at best.

So the Wii doesn't have the number crunching capabilities of the 360 and PS3... big whoop. So it's a glorified GameCube.... that's great, because I enjoyed Resident Evil 4 on my 'Cube a heck of a lot more than Dead Rising or GoW on my 360.

As for Sony and Microsoft paying lip service to "games as art" on their Web sites, that's just laughable. They're in this to make money, just like everyone else. If you look at the launch lineups for both systems it's pretty clear that they're targetting the lowest common denominator -- lots of sports and lots of FPS. (on the PC, replace sports with RTS and MMOs)

Sure, the rare gem will creep through like ICO or Okami, but they will be the exception as opposed to the rule. Just look at the most anticipated 360 game for this year -- Halo 3, a sequel to a sequel. And for Sony, it's MGS4 -- a sequel to a sequel to a sequel to a game that rebooted an old franchise. Neither company is exactly blazing new trails when it comes to gaming as high art.

Not saying Nintendo is any better, but at least they're trying something new with the wiimote control scheme. No there aren't any games that really take full advantage of it -- but the system has been out for less than half a year, and I think a lot of developers are playing catch-up, surprised by the staggering success of a console that was seen as a gimmicky joke by just about everyone.

As for what makes a game artful, is it simply a striking visual style or whacked out indie vibe? Is it a pretentious game developer labelling his work as such? Is it lots of swearing?

To my mind, an artful game should feature artful game play. Tetris to me is art, even though I'm not a big fan of the game. Staggeringly simple in theory, insidiously addictive in practice... oh, and it's fun.

[chicnstu]

AI and physics requires alot of CPU power, here Wii comes short unfortunatly, comparing to the competitors and whats today "standard".

Good AI and physics (Destroy all Humans) existed last generation. The Wii is supposed to be a little better than last generation (it just hasn't shown because developers are used to PS2 development).

[petewhitley]

I think 'Spore' is piece of shit. Along with the rest of Maxis and EA crap. (Last good thing from Maxis was Sim City.)

I'm sorry I like my games to be fun. If I want "art", I'll go to a museum. I don't play my games on Pause.

And thus ends the very first review of "Spore", a game that isn't even close to being released.

[Niku-Sama]

i think some one just lost a customer that was going to buy spore.

oh well more wii games for me

[marvelus10]

Wii is a video game system not a suped up computer in a slim sexy case, not to mention a very smart move by Nintendo. No more sitting on your ass all night while your significant other is lonely in thier room reading a book. Put it this way how many of you get crap from thier GF's/BF's for playing to many video games on thier hyped up super computer systems (you know the 2) dont you wish they would just join you. Well get a Wii! I bet they try it once and you will be out of the shit books after the first try. You know what, shes losing weight doing it too but dont tell anyone I said so.

Dont tell me its a piece of shit.

P.S. I love my XBOX, DC, GBA, SNES and NES dont get me wrong, they are all sitting there right beside the Wii.

[chicnstu]

I think 'Spore' is piece of shit. Along with the rest of Maxis and EA crap. (Last good thing from Maxis was Sim City.)

I'm sorry I like my games to be fun. If I want "art", I'll go to a museum. I don't play my games on Pause.


And thus ends the very first review of "Spore", a game that isn't even close to being released.


I think there's another meaning in that post. Just like the poster didn't give Spore a chance, apparently the Spore developer hasn't given the Wii enough time to show what it can do.

[Hep038]

Replace "Wii" with "PS3" and he would be a hero on this board.

I do not think it is a POS, but then again I do not think the PS3 is either.

[Vinnysdad]

[QUOTE=Hep038;1144096]Replace "Wii" with "PS3" and he would be a hero on this board.

Very true.

[SaturnFan]

People always rag that the PS3 is over expensive there for making it a POS, but you Wii fans go out and buy a Wii with a couple extra wiimotes and nunchucks and end up spending more than what a PS3 cost.

[Snapple]

I don't know what his definition of art is, but I can come up with plenty of examples of what I'd consider "good art" on Nintendo systems, and plenty of examples of "quick cash-ins with no attempt at artistic value" on Microsoft and Sony systems. So I really don't know where this guy is coming from. Not that the reverses can't be true as well, in that there are bad games on Nintendo systems and good games on Sony/Microsoft systems, but this stereotype he's trying to establish makes no sense at all.

Maybe he thinks art means gritty war games or other FPSes.

[SaturnFan]

I don't know what his definition of art is, but I can come up with plenty of examples of what I'd consider "good art" on Nintendo systems, and plenty of examples of "quick cash-ins with no attempt at artistic value" on Microsoft and Sony systems. So I really don't know where this guy is coming from. Not that the reverses can't be true as well, in that there are bad games on Nintendo systems and good games on Sony/Microsoft systems, but this stereotype he's trying to establish makes no sense at all.

Maybe he thinks art means gritty war games or other FPSes.

Quick cash in's are Nintendo not Sony or MS. How many RE's/Marios/Zelda's can Nintendo cash in on? They can't even come up with new ideas, they have to keep rereleasing the same fucking crap over an over. Thats quick cash ins.

[walrusmonger]

The wii is an under-powered waste of money. How it's so popular, I have NO idea. I mean, it's "cool" concept wise, but I don't know why everyone is going nuts over it when there are no exclusive games worth playing. The best game can be found and played on the cube, and... what else is there that you cant find somewhere else?

On the other hand, the ps3 and xbox360 are very similar but I enjoy both of them. My wii, the only reason I'm keeping it is because I spent $30 on virtual console games , and am hoping smash brothers and mario end up being good.

Guess I shouldn't have bought a wii since people obviously like it.

[joshnickerson]

Dear Chris Hecker,

Fuck you.

Sincerely,

Josh

[djbeatmongrel]

The wii is an under-powered waste of money. How it's so popular, I have NO idea. I mean, it's "cool" concept wise, but I don't know why everyone is going nuts over it when there are no exclusive games worth playing. The best game can be found and played on the cube, and... what else is there that you cant find somewhere else?

On the other hand, the ps3 and xbox360 are very similar but I enjoy both of them. My wii, the only reason I'm keeping it is because I spent $30 on virtual console games , and am hoping smash brothers and mario end up being good.

Guess I shouldn't have bought a wii since people obviously like it.

In an effort not to turn this to a Wii vs. All post i am going to word this very carefully. all of what you have posted is personal opinion besides that fact Wii has less power than it competition.

Each system has its strong points, Xbox 360 with its online capabilites, PS3 with its overall power, and the Wii with its overall innovation in game interaction. If this was last generation you could replace wii in the statement "wii is an under-powered waste of money." with ps2 back when it was first launched and come to similar conclusions. The ps2 is the best selling system of the past generation but was the least powerful, even in comparison to the gamecube.

The Wii does have a lot of must have exclusives in many peoples eyes. i myself own a good handful already and am enjoying them very much (looks at SSX Blur). I could say the same of my interest in PS3 and XB360. Theres only a few games i want for the systems but i don't think its worth the purchase for a few FPS games that i'll barely play but i don't think any less of the systems. Each consoles core market is a bit different.

Anyways, I'm just happy it wasn't Will Wright making that statement.

[BydoEmpire]

The wii is an under-powered waste of money. How it's so popular, I have NO idea. I mean, it's "cool" concept wise, but I don't know why everyone is going nuts over it when there are no exclusive games worth playing. The best game can be found and played on the cube, and... what else is there that you cant find somewhere else?
...Diff'rent Strokes for diff'rent folks. I'm having a blast with my Wii (Zelda, Red Steel, Rayman, Sonic, SSX Blur, etc have all been a lot of fun), and there are more games out I want than I can afford (Trauma Center, Excite Truck, Elebits, etc). I haven't had any real reason to get a 360 or ps3 yet. I know tons of people with 360's that love them - great for them. But there's nothing that's worth $400 to *me* (Oblivion was really tempting). For me, there hasn't been a 360/ps3 game that made me say "whoa, this is NOTHING like what I can play on the ps2/xbox/cube." Don't get me wrong, the 360 and ps3 are fine systems - I'm sure I'll get both of them eventually - but the point is that everyone looks for different things in their games. Which is why three manufacturers can all survive in the market, and each offer something unique.

This is just one random guy at Maxis, he doesn't speak for the company by any stretch of the imagination. His argument for MS and Sony caring more about pushing "games as art" is ridiculous, imho. They all make games. Finally, as an employee of a major developer/publisher I think it's pretty poor judgement to make that kind of statement in such a public way. I complain about Company X's devkits or Company Y's tools all the time, but I'd never do it publicly.

[swlovinist]

Developers see things in systems that we as gamers dont see. Developers always gripe about the limitations of systems, and I think that he is just bitching about the Wii just being a Gamecube squared. This is not really a big deal, because people such as myself are getting a wii to play and have fun, not graphics. I see his point, although he is being harsh.

[cessnaace]

http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10161
According to the Spore developer the Wii is a piece of shit hehe.

The ***** console is a piece of shit.
Sega sux
Nintendo sux
Sony sux
Microsoft sux
Sega rulz
Nintendo rulz
Sony rulz
Microsoft rulz

I sooooo don't care!



Mark

[Snapple]

Quick cash in's are Nintendo not Sony or MS. How many RE's/Marios/Zelda's can Nintendo cash in on? They can't even come up with new ideas, they have to keep rereleasing the same fucking crap over an over. Thats quick cash ins.

All companies are guilty of cash-ins. How is Zelda a "quick cash-in" when Twilight Princess took like six years to make? That's not quick.

When I say quick cash-in, I mean cheap clones of popular games. I mean yearly sequels to franchises with only superficial changes. I mean rushed, uninspired drivel. Stuff that all companies do a little bit of.

I acknowledged that Nintendo makes mistakes, too, just not any more than the other companies, and that they have games with artistic merit, just like the other companies. I think the developer is exaggerating the difference in artistic integrity between these systems.

Although, I'm going to take a wild stab and say that you might have a viewpoint that's skewed slightly against Nintendo, Mr. Saturn Fan. Your ridiculous statement about the Wii costing more than a PS3 kinda proves that.

[cessnaace]

I think 'Spore' is piece of shit. Along with the rest of Maxis and EA crap. (Last good thing from Maxis was Sim City.)

I'm sorry I like my games to be fun. If I want "art", I'll go to a museum. I don't play my games on Pause.


This whole thread seems to be based on one fanboy's opinion. I don't know, as the word 'shit' indicated to me a lack of intellectual depth and so I decided not to waste my time.

You don't like Maxis? Really? While I thought the graphics were subpar, I played SIM Copter for hours. The same for SIM Island. Call them guilty pleasures (especially SIM Copter).

I liked your last sentance though. LOL!


Mark

[cessnaace]

Art isnt just pictures and things that stands still. But why not have both things? Artistic and fun games, why choose? On the other side, "art" is a pretty broad word, theres no real answer to whats art and not. Depends on the creator. So you dont need raw power to make games artisticly. Many consider games like Zelda:TP and Okami as very artistic games.


One could argue that Myst is a piece of art, but as I don't like playing slide shows (regardless of the beauty involved) I have never gone back to it. And to think it was ported to sooooo many systems.


Mark

[Ed Oscuro]

I think there's another meaning in that post. Just like the poster didn't give Spore a chance, apparently the Spore developer hasn't given the Wii enough time to show what it can do.
And where did you find this secret information about how much time Will has spent with the thing? ;)


One could argue that Myst is a piece of art,
So why don't we?


but as I don't like playing slide shows (regardless of the beauty involved) I have never gone back to it. And to think it was ported to sooooo many systems.
So this means that it's not art, by your definition? Or did you kinda change the subject there in the middle of your post? Personally, art remains art whether somebody likes it or not, and regardless of whether one guy made it lying on his back on a scaffold or whether an assembly-line team did it.

Also, realMyst is beautiful. And it's not a slideshow.

[badinsults]

This Hecker guy must not have played Yoshi's Island. It was a wonderful piece of art, which also happened to be one of the best games ever made. Having a game that is "art" is great an all, but if it is boring as hell, you have failed as a game maker.

That being said, I don't think any of the current gen systems has produced anything that I would consider 'art'.

[jajaja]

Double post, delete this post.

[jajaja]

Good AI and physics (Destroy all Humans) existed last generation. The Wii is supposed to be a little better than last generation (it just hasn't shown because developers are used to PS2 development).

Good AI and physics have excisted for years indeed, but i was thinking of the newest technology within the field.


The ***** console is a piece of shit.
Sega sux
Nintendo sux
Sony sux
Microsoft sux
Sega rulz
Nintendo rulz
Sony rulz
Microsoft rulz

I sooooo don't care!



Mark

Well, you took the time to post 2 times and do some arguing + you probly read the whole article so it looks to me that you do care hehe ;)

[Berserker]

I guess I could go into all the ways that this guy (who is NOT Will Wright, btw) is wrong, but should I or any of us for that matter bother?

What we should instead focus on is how he's not really basing his argument on anything at all in the first place!

To drive his point home, he references video game company websites (PR), and quotes from video game company execs (MORE PR). No objective looks at any actual games made by either of the respective companies, or any actual games made for any of those consoles by ANY company at all, for that matter. Nothing substantial or material is compared. Just PR.

So just so I understand this right, in summation, the Wii is a piece of shit, two Gamecubes stuck together with duct tape, Nintendo doesn't give a shit about feigning interest in video games as an art form in their PR, and they should make a console that doesn't suck ass. Why thank you for that, random Spore developer guy! Now on to someone who can form a coherent point.

[Ed Oscuro]

This Hecker guy must not have played Yoshi's Island.
That's really not relevant.

Also, how could you say that YI is a piece of art but NOTHING on the newer consoles is? That boggles the mind.

[ozyr]

You know, every damn system SUCKS - period - so just everyone just deal with it!
:sob:

[GarrettCRW]

Meeting at Maxis:

EA execs: OMGWTFBBQ! Hecker's going crazy, etc.

Will Wright: Whatever, he's a tool. *goes back to work*




(For the record, I doubt that Will Wright would ever talk like that, but you get my point, right?)

[Oobgarm]

I find it completely insane that a person(or people) would immediately decide they don't want a game because a member of said title's dev team talked shit about a particular gaming console.

But I guess since it's about Nintendo, that's OK. :roll:

[Captain Wrong]

Replace "Wii" with "PS3" and he would be a hero on this board.

Ain't that the truth?

Me, I'm just ready for something more than mini/party games. Show me what you can do Nintendo!

[c0ldb33r]

Just somebody shooting their mouth off to get attention
Agreed - every consoles has its faults and good developers just work around them. This guy's just an idiot.

[All Things Sega]

These threads always make me laugh. Eeveryone has an opinion but doesn't mean you should base your purchases on it. From a developer's point of view, he was probabaly pissed that it was underpowered to do what he wants and probabaly pissed that the PS3 is hard to develop for. Each has it faults. But I never understood why people go so crazy about each system. The "fanboys" for each system are ridiculous. It's like their "team" wins every time one system outsells the other. We should sell T-shirts and hats with championship banners like they do for other sports. Examples:

PS2 2006 World Champions (in terms of console sales)

Gamecube 2004 Conference Champions (in terms of sales)

Game.Com 1997 Wild Card Winners (in terms of unsold stock)

The list could go on and on but this would be a simple way to spot the truly stupid fanboys in public. This way you could smack them upside the head for being morons LOL

[Kroogah]

Replace "Wii" with "PS3" and he would be a hero on this board.

Not just this board, the entire internet.

Why? Because Xbox 360 and PS3 owners are too busy playing video games to constantly argue on the internet.

Wii owners have run out of games to play, so they have to kill time by arguing on the internet.

M-M-M-MEGA BURRRRRRRRN

(note: I only own a Wii. Have not touched it in weeks.)

[Imstarryeyed]

There is an old saying...

"It's a sorry musician that blames his instrument."

Meaning if you don't have the skill to play an instrument correctly then don't blame the instrument.

It is sad that piss poor developers are so used to slapping games together with top heavy tools that they forgot how to make games great.

I say Heckler should move his code to Assembly and stop whining about having problems putting his bloated code on a console.

One day we will realize that throwing hardware at software problems is not the way.. training programmers to do their job better is the way!

[jajaja]

There is an old saying...

"It's a sorry musician that blames his instrument."

Meaning if you don't have the skill to play an instrument correctly then don't blame the instrument.

True enough, but its not quite the same. If you play a guitar the only limitation is how skilled the player is. When it comes to making games you have limitation to the hardware. You cant practice and practice coding and in the end be able to make like a GoW game for the Wii, its simply not possible. You can only optimize the code so much and push so much out of the hardware until it says stop.

I think thats the whole issue here, this Spore guy wants to make some stuff thats not possible on the Wii due to the hardware limitation, which pisses him off for some reason. Altho most of what he say is true, its the way he say it thats unproffesional.

[calthaer]

He has a point.

Wii games are fairly gimmicky and trivial, with little in the way of meaning or depth to them.

But then again:

This is coming from a guy who works for the evil empire that churns out Madden MCLXVI + 1 every year.

The stones and glass houses phrase comes to mind.

[rbudrick]

People always rag that the PS3 is over expensive there for making it a POS, but you Wii fans go out and buy a Wii with a couple extra wiimotes and nunchucks and end up spending more than what a PS3 cost.

Where the fuck you learn to add? ;) Lol, j/k

But seriously, A wiimote+ Nunchuck=$60, so $249+$60+$60=$369

$599 for a PS3, minus $369=$230. With another $19, I can get another Wii!

Hell, we could still play the old "Well, if you bought two more controllers for the PS3, it's be X dollars more" card too.

I'm gonna wait until PS3s are $75 like 3DOs were after a while, heh heh (wish I bought one of them then too).

-Rob

[Ed Oscuro]

I find it completely insane that a person(or people) would immediately decide they don't want a game because a member of said title's dev team talked shit about a particular gaming console.
Some people still haven't forgiven Itagaki for his Tekken comments

AND FOR RAPE LOLOL

[chicnstu]

Man some of these people that have posted seem very stupid. Most of them don't seem to have thought deep into what they are going to say before they post it.

[TurboGenesis]

For Maxis games I've played - Sim City, Sim City 2000, Sim Earth, Sim Ant.

Sim City was fun. Sim City 2000 was a nice idea with the expansion of the basic concept from the original game.

Sim Earth, well the game plays in real time, as in I never got anything done in the game.

Sim Ant-didn't spent enough time in the game, though it has potential.

I am not a Nintendo fan boy. Had he bashed the PS3 I would have said the same thing.

The general idea is that games are a form of entertainment that is to be played. The most important feature in a game should be GAME PLAY! Sound, graphics, special effects, etc. are there only to enhance the game play experience.

Games as art? I believe that art can be contained in games. Its another one of those things that enhance the game play experience.

I enjoy my PS3, Wii, and 360. I PLAY games.

[RadiantSvgun]

I am not a Nintendo fan boy.

I PLAY games.

I hear you dood! I'm all about gameplay>graphics. One of the reasons I support the Wii over the ps3 and 360 is because of that. And it is the reason I enjoyed the ps2 so much.

[suckerpunch5]

Good AI and physics (Destroy all Humans) existed last generation. The Wii is supposed to be a little better than last generation (it just hasn't shown because developers are used to PS2 development).


Exactly what I was thinking. Anyone who played "Halo 2" on Legendary mode knows the AI was ruthless on that game. Wii is more powerfull than that, so I guess I don't understand what more you need.

[GillianSeed]

Well this didn't take long:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/spore-developer-chris-hecker-apologizes-for-calling-the-wii-a-piece-of-shit-242822.php

[Ed Oscuro]

aka "I already said what I wanted to. Lol pwnt!!!1" Yeah, I bet he's going to be thinking about other people a bit more from now on, heh. There was a core of truth to his statements, but maybe he could have come up with a better way of putting it together.

[cessnaace]

Well, you took the time to post 2 times and do some arguing + you probly read the whole article so it looks to me that you do care hehe ;)

Like I said, I didn't mess with the article because the word 'shit' indicated a total lack of depth, was in probability written by a fanboy, and therefore a waste of my time, which is better spent posting multiple times in the same thread, hehe. LOL!


Mark

P.S. And I stand by my comment on Myst. It may be art, but it ain't a game, hehe. It bored me to tears. Years ago I saw a copy of a spoof on Myst called Pyst. I wish I had bought a copy. Hehe.

[Nature Boy]

No more sitting on your ass all night while your significant other is lonely in thier room reading a book.

What, you mean you've finally tired of the Wii and now you're spending some quality time together instead? No wait, that couldn't be right. You're no longer *sitting* while playing your Wii, and your girlfriend couldn't read with all the ruckus going on so she went out with friends?

(Dude, you know you could set down whatever controller you want to use and spend some quality time with the girlfriend instead. You know, like maybe engaging her in something that interests her, as opposed to buying the perfect console that she'll love too!)

[roushimsx]

One day we will realize that throwing hardware at software problems is not the way.. training programmers to do their job better is the way!

Will Wright realized that years ago, good sir. I think you need to realize that it's possible for games to require substantially more hardware than the Wii provides to fulfill the designer's vision.

For instance, it's great that people still do Amiga demos, but they just don't compare to PC equivalents (regardless of how well Starstruck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUv0jSYRBZo) scored overall based on hype). Look at Chaos Theory (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25774) and Dead Ringer (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25776).

[chicnstu]

Like I said, I didn't mess with the article because the word 'shit' indicated a total lack of depth, was in probability written by a fanboy, and therefore a waste of my time, which is better spent posting multiple times in the same thread, hehe. LOL!


Mark

P.S. And I stand by my comment on Myst. It may be art, but it ain't a game, hehe. It bored me to tears. Years ago I saw a copy of a spoof on Myst called Pyst. I wish I had bought a copy. Hehe.

Awesome.

[jajaja]

Like I said, I didn't mess with the article because the word 'shit' indicated a total lack of depth, was in probability written by a fanboy, and therefore a waste of my time, which is better spent posting multiple times in the same thread, hehe. LOL!

I agree there, he wasnt very proffesional when he said it. But its also hard for us to know what tone he had when he said it. Maybe he was just joking around. The article makes it looks like hes dead serious when he says it, atleast thats one way you can understand the article.

[ShenmueFan]

I've played the Wii a bit and honestly, it's REALLY overrated.

The only thing the system has going for it is the Wiimote and the downloadable classics games.

Unfortunately, the classics games list is severely lacking, will not be 100% until maybe 5 years from now (they'll be released in trickles, no doubt to make people buy every version of Donkey Kong Country and Mario at various times) and the Wiimote is NOT that accurate. You can bowl or swing a bat by moving your hand fractions of an inch. And even if it can measure motion, it doesn't seem to do a good job measuring speed of motion (try throwing a ball really hard in baseball and see if the speed doesn't randomly fluctuate even if you throw it REALLY hard or REALLY slow).

In fact, the Wiimote is being used WAY too much to promote the system. I played Zelda Twilight Princess on the Wii and the control setup is RETARDED. Moving my hand to swing a sword? WTF? Using the awkwardly placed D-pad simultaneously w/ the B button and nunchuck to do simple actions? No, thank you. A perfect example of a game that needlessly was given Wiimote attributes just for the hell of it.

Plus, the system is $249.99!

It's already been established that the system is only a tad more powerful than a Gamecube and Nintendo's admitted they're getting a profit on every unit sold...so WHY on Earth should I have to spend $250 on a piece of technology 5 years old!?!?!?

Just watch folks - you'll see by next Christmas - Wii's steam will begin to run out and when people have their fill of crappy visuals (for the price and what other systems are capable of) and misleading downloadable content, you'll see a big drop-off in consumer interest.


Wiilovers, you can hate me for my post, but it's the truth.

[davidleeroth]

Moving my hand to swing a sword? WTF?

Yeah, where's the analogy in that? LOL

[GillianSeed]

I've played the Wii a bit and honestly, it's REALLY overrated.

The only thing the system has going for it is the Wiimote and the downloadable classics games.

Well I guess that's enough for consumers -- it took Microsoft a year to sell 10 million units, whereas the Wii is already up around 5 million+.



Unfortunately, the classics games list is severely lacking, will not be 100% until maybe 5 years from now (they'll be released in trickles, no doubt to make people buy every version of Donkey Kong Country and Mario at various times)


Why does it have to be 100% right out of the gate? I've been pretty pleased with the pace and selection of releases -- it far outstrips that of Xbox Live Arcade, they've gone weeks without a single release. Splatterhouse for the TG-16 is coming this month for crying out loud, how can that not be cool?



and the Wiimote is NOT that accurate. You can bowl or swing a bat by moving your hand fractions of an inch. And even if it can measure motion, it doesn't seem to do a good job measuring speed of motion (try throwing a ball really hard in baseball and see if the speed doesn't randomly fluctuate even if you throw it REALLY hard or REALLY slow).


Well see, most folks aren't capable of throwing 90mph fastballs -- so yeah, it would be a pretty lame game if it only allowed you to throw pitches that you were capable of throwing in real life.

Also bear in mind that Wii Sports is a launch title, you make it sound like there will be no refinement of the controls.



In fact, the Wiimote is being used WAY too much to promote the system. I played Zelda Twilight Princess on the Wii and the control setup is RETARDED. Moving my hand to swing a sword? WTF? Using the awkwardly placed D-pad simultaneously w/ the B button and nunchuck to do simple actions? No, thank you. A perfect example of a game that needlessly was given Wiimote attributes just for the hell of it.


Well, yes -- it started out life as a GameCube game, so of course it doesn't make the most of the Wiimote.



It's already been established that the system is only a tad more powerful than a Gamecube and Nintendo's admitted they're getting a profit on every unit sold...so WHY on Earth should I have to spend $250 on a piece of technology 5 years old!?!?!?


So if you were running a company you'd happily sell your product at a loss, is that it? That's why Nintendo is still around, they're profitable. If a product is overpriced it tends to sit on the shelf collecting dust -- see the PS3. And it's still cheaper than the competition, and it comes with a game and built-in WiFi.



Just watch folks - you'll see by next Christmas - Wii's steam will begin to run out and when people have their fill of crappy visuals (for the price and what other systems are capable of) and misleading downloadable content, you'll see a big drop-off in consumer interest.

Well, people were saying that it would be easy to find last Christmas too, didn't exactly work out that way. Then people were saying that interest would drop off in January, hasn't happened yet. And remember that most of their big guns are coming out later in the year, like Metroid and Mario. The real question is, will they catch Microsoft by 2008?

As for being "underpowered" -- the Wii is clearly aimed at the casual gamer, they don't care about polygon counts and pixel shading, they're confused by controllers with two sticks, a d-pad and 12 buttons. They just want something that's simple and fun for the whole family, and Wii Sports delivered that in spades.

And how is the downloadable content misleading? They sold 1.5 million games by the end of of January, so they must be doing something right.



Wiilovers, you can hate me for my post, but it's the truth.
No, it's an opinion.

[Daltone]

They just want something that's simple and fun for the whole family, and Wii Sports delivered that in spades.

If that's what you want from your games then the Wii is fine. It's excellent. If it's not what you want then it's probably, on the whole, a piece of shit.

[jajaja]

About the "fun for the whole family". Of all the people here who have had a Wii for quite some time now, does this still apply? Do the family gather around to play Wii sports even months after its release?

Daltone: Your current number of posts are 666 hehe.

[atari_overlord]

About the "fun for the whole family". Of all the people here who have had a Wii for quite some time now, does this still apply? Do the family gather around to play Wii sports even months after its release?

Daltone: Your current number of posts are 666 hehe.

I actually still play quite a bit with family and friends. I have been a fairly big gamer for quite some time now. College/Highschool were the only time that I had other people around that cared about playing video games at all. Up until the wii came out I had no current friends who had purchased a system since the original Playstation. Almost all of them now own wii. Everyone in my little world still loves this thing and gets together every chance we get to play. I think one of the main reasons is the level playing field. If you lose at something everytime you play you just dont really want to play it anymore. My wife can pull the upset out in tennis or bowling every now and then. It makes it fun for her. At least more fun than me just hunting her in Halo.

I guess I have always been somewhat of a nintendo fanboy. But mostly because I like how they come out with different stuff. They take chances and most of the games since the 64 are fairly social. I also feel like have been fairly honest with myself when they do something wrong.

The wii in my opinion has a lot of stay power and is a fantastic second system. It is the most fun I have had with my friends and a video game for years. I dont hink it is going to replace the conventional setup for hard core gamers with hardcore friends but it doesnt need to. It is what it is. IMO a fun affordable exciting game system that levels everything out for everyone from novice to expert.

I dont understand why everyone has so much hate for any of these. (systems) (last comment not aimed at jajaja post)

[chrisbid]

i thought most cpu horsepower on modern consoles go directly to graphics. i guess if all three systems had a text based game, the best AI would be on the PS3, but i dont foresee anything like that ever happening.

[roushimsx]

i thought most cpu horsepower on modern consoles go directly to graphics.

No, that's the GPU.

[chrisbid]

thats the accelerator, the cpu still does a lot of the work

[ShenmueFan]

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I've played the Wii a bit and honestly, it's REALLY overrated.

The only thing the system has going for it is the Wiimote and the downloadable classics games.
Well I guess that's enough for consumers -- it took Microsoft a year to sell 10 million units, whereas the Wii is already up around 5 million+.

The XBox 360 also had supply problems and was generally marketed as a system at $399 (The Core version wasn't the main version that got pushed by retailers or M$) --- $150 more than the Wii. You even had an extremely hard time finding 360s until this time last year - last week I went into Sam's Club and they had a whole palette full of Wiis (probably 50 in total) just sitting there. I'm not saying Nintendo didn't do a good job impressing people with new technology but I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt they will be able to sell 3-4 million units in November and December of this year. Consumers are fickle and unless the Wii is super hard to find people will opt for the 360 this Holiday season (a 360 price drop this year is VERY likely).




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Unfortunately, the classics games list is severely lacking, will not be 100% until maybe 5 years from now (they'll be released in trickles, no doubt to make people buy every version of Donkey Kong Country and Mario at various times)
Why does it have to be 100% right out of the gate? I've been pretty pleased with the pace and selection of releases -- it far outstrips that of Xbox Live Arcade, they've gone weeks without a single release. Splatterhouse for the TG-16 is coming this month for crying out loud, how can that not be cool?
Because I just paid $249 for it, that's why. I wouldn't be as angry at the 360 for a lacking Live service of downloadable games because I can't really imagine a whole lot of people bought a 360 specifically to play Street Fighter 2 or Castlevania:SOTN but the Wii is a different story. Nintendo pushed this feature every chance it could and last I saw (a few weeks ago), there were like 30-40 different games to choose from across all systems. That's pathetic. There is absolutely no reason why Nintendo CAN'T put their whole library out all at once unless the Wii is too underpowered to have backwards capability with a SNES. :)



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and the Wiimote is NOT that accurate. You can bowl or swing a bat by moving your hand fractions of an inch. And even if it can measure motion, it doesn't seem to do a good job measuring speed of motion (try throwing a ball really hard in baseball and see if the speed doesn't randomly fluctuate even if you throw it REALLY hard or REALLY slow).
Well see, most folks aren't capable of throwing 90mph fastballs -- so yeah, it would be a pretty lame game if it only allowed you to throw pitches that you were capable of throwing in real life.

Also bear in mind that Wii Sports is a launch title, you make it sound like there will be no refinement of the controls.
Also bear in mind that as a launch title - and one that came from Nintendo - you know that thing was play tested to death before release. There's no excuse for shoddy controls. And for you to say, "It'd be pretty lame if you could only throw like you could in real life" is well, dumb. If it doesn't matter one iota whether I try my hardest to strike someone out or swing a racket in a certain direction/speed because it's all random in the computer's eyes, I won't even try at all.

The Wii demands players to become "physical" but doesn't reward gamers who are good "physically"? Is the Wii meant just to reward the non-Physical gamers (which MOST gamers are) and bring the Physical gamers down to their level? Sounds like a crap deal for many people to me.




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In fact, the Wiimote is being used WAY too much to promote the system. I played Zelda Twilight Princess on the Wii and the control setup is RETARDED. Moving my hand to swing a sword? WTF? Using the awkwardly placed D-pad simultaneously w/ the B button and nunchuck to do simple actions? No, thank you. A perfect example of a game that needlessly was given Wiimote attributes just for the hell of it.
Well, yes -- it started out life as a GameCube game, so of course it doesn't make the most of the Wiimote.
But see, that's the problem. Zelda had NO business being on the Wii - it was a GAMECUBE title w/ no "enhancements" except for Wiimote support. How many more of these types of games will we see coming AGAIN and AGAIN because developers will be too lazy to even make a Wii game look nice or do something truly unique? They'll probably be thinking, "Hey, let's use Gamecube Game X, make the controls support the Wiimote, add a useless party mode and release it as a new game on the Wii!"...GREAT IDEA!



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It's already been established that the system is only a tad more powerful than a Gamecube and Nintendo's admitted they're getting a profit on every unit sold...so WHY on Earth should I have to spend $250 on a piece of technology 5 years old!?!?!?
So if you were running a company you'd happily sell your product at a loss, is that it? That's why Nintendo is still around, they're profitable. If a product is overpriced it tends to sit on the shelf collecting dust -- see the PS3. And it's still cheaper than the competition, and it comes with a game and built-in WiFi.
Built in Wifi is not a big deal. The "game" you talk about is a product sampler - HARDLY a game. There's no beginning, middle or end which means it's just a demo or casual-gamer showcase more than anything. And yeah, I DO think Nintendo could lower the system price AT LEAST $50 to what the Gamecube was when it came out in 2001 ($199). I just can't wrap my head around WHY consumers would willingly pay $99 for a Gamecube system and $149 for a controller and call it a Wii? Doesn't ANYBODY see they're being ripped off solely because of a gimmick controller?



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Just watch folks - you'll see by next Christmas - Wii's steam will begin to run out and when people have their fill of crappy visuals (for the price and what other systems are capable of) and misleading downloadable content, you'll see a big drop-off in consumer interest.
Well, people were saying that it would be easy to find last Christmas too, didn't exactly work out that way. Then people were saying that interest would drop off in January, hasn't happened yet. And remember that most of their big guns are coming out later in the year, like Metroid and Mario. The real question is, will they catch Microsoft by 2008?
I never said the steam would run out in January except in the PS3's case. I figure Nintendo will try to "limit" product availability as long as it can get away with it to drive up demand but by summer they'll have to have store shelves stocked. No one's gonna believe that the Wii has been sold out for TWO Christmases in a row...that's not gonna fly. The "big guns" you mention are nothing gamers haven't seen for years now. It's not like they're releasing Mario 64 or Metroid Prime - these are just the same ol' titles we've been seeing for years except every "new" version has slightly modified graphics, levels and box art.


As for being "underpowered" -- the Wii is clearly aimed at the casual gamer, they don't care about polygon counts and pixel shading, they're confused by controllers with two sticks, a d-pad and 12 buttons. They just want something that's simple and fun for the whole family, and Wii Sports delivered that in spades.

Show me a casual gamer who isn't confused by Twilight Princess controller setup and I'd be shocked. Same goes with that Elebits game... WTF, seriously.


And how is the downloadable content misleading? They sold 1.5 million games by the end of of January, so they must be doing something right.
Only because the die hard early adopter Nintendo-addicts needed something to spend their Wii points on...




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Wiilovers, you can hate me for my post, but it's the truth.
No, it's an opinion.
It's the truth in my mind :)

[NinjaJoey23]

It's the truth in my mind

I believe that's still called opinion. Or delusion.

[PentiumMMX]

...And I stand by my comment on Myst. It may be art, but it ain't a game, hehe. It bored me to tears. Years ago I saw a copy of a spoof on Myst called Pyst. I wish I had bought a copy. Hehe.

I agree. I used to like it, but I can't stand Myst anymore.


Only because the die hard early adopter Nintendo-addicts needed something to spend their Wii points on...

Yeah, I remember reading on Nintendo's boards, someone actually asked "I have Super Mario World for my Super NES and my GBA, so should I also download it for my Wii?"

[jajaja]

I dont understand why everyone has so much hate for any of these. (systems) (last comment not aimed at jajaja post)

Good, because my last question was just a normal question, nothing negative with it :) Just wondering how the whole family playing experience was some months later.

[TurboGenesis]

Also bear in mind that as a launch title - and one that came from Nintendo - you know that thing was play tested to death before release. There's no excuse for shoddy controls. And for you to say, "It'd be pretty lame if you could only throw like you could in real life" is well, dumb. If it doesn't matter one iota whether I try my hardest to strike someone out or swing a racket in a certain direction/speed because it's all random in the computer's eyes, I won't even try at all.

The Wii demands players to become "physical" but doesn't reward gamers who are good "physically"? Is the Wii meant just to reward the non-Physical gamers (which MOST gamers are) and bring the Physical gamers down to their level? Sounds like a crap deal for many people to me.

The Wii is encouraging players to interact more deeply, not "physical". The Wii is attempting to offer a more innovative way to play games by immersion of whats being controlled and what is going on within the television screen.



But see, that's the problem. Zelda had NO business being on the Wii - it was a GAMECUBE title w/ no "enhancements" except for Wiimote support.

Valid argument. Nintendo adapted a franchise game into the Wii schematic to fill its launch line up. I'd say it worked pretty well as Twilight Princess was the most bought title for the Wii during launch.



Built in Wifi is not a big deal. The "game" you talk about is a product sampler - HARDLY a game. There's no beginning, middle or end which means it's just a demo or casual-gamer showcase more than anything. And yeah, I DO think Nintendo could lower the system price AT LEAST $50 to what the Gamecube was when it came out in 2001 ($199). I just can't wrap my head around WHY consumers would willingly pay $99 for a Gamecube system and $149 for a controller and call it a Wii? Doesn't ANYBODY see they're being ripped off solely because of a gimmick controller?

Wii Sports is a show off app similar to Pilotwings, F-Zero, Mario 64. I'm glad it was a free pack in. Much better than my PS3 pack in - a movie which I only watched once (and will never watch again).

Yeah, I'm being ripped off with my Wii and its gimmick controller just as I was ripped off with my DS and its gimmick touch screen. I mean the graphics are so 1996 on the DS.



I never said the steam would run out in January except in the PS3's case. I figure Nintendo will try to "limit" product availability as long as it can get away with it to drive up demand but by summer they'll have to have store shelves stocked. No one's gonna believe that the Wii has been sold out for TWO Christmases in a row...that's not gonna fly. The "big guns" you mention are nothing gamers haven't seen for years now. It's not like they're releasing Mario 64 or Metroid Prime - these are just the same ol' titles we've been seeing for years except every "new" version has slightly modified graphics, levels and box art.

Same rehashes just like madden, toney hawk, and gran theft auto.




Show me a casual gamer who isn't confused by Twilight Princess controller setup and I'd be shocked. Same goes with that Elebits game... WTF, seriously.

Everyone who tried Twilight Princess was impressed with it and the control scheme. Their confusion lied in where to go and what to do to advance the game.

Elebits - I haven't and anyone try this title.

Excite Truck - Folks oversteered alot and crashed into trees while trying to get a handle on controlling the truck.




It's the truth in my mind :)
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[ShenmueFan]

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Built in Wifi is not a big deal. The "game" you talk about is a product sampler - HARDLY a game. There's no beginning, middle or end which means it's just a demo or casual-gamer showcase more than anything. And yeah, I DO think Nintendo could lower the system price AT LEAST $50 to what the Gamecube was when it came out in 2001 ($199). I just can't wrap my head around WHY consumers would willingly pay $99 for a Gamecube system and $149 for a controller and call it a Wii? Doesn't ANYBODY see they're being ripped off solely because of a gimmick controller?
Wii Sports is a show off app similar to Pilotwings, F-Zero, Mario 64. I'm glad it was a free pack in. Much better than my PS3 pack in - a movie which I only watched once (and will never watch again).

Yeah, I'm being ripped off with my Wii and its gimmick controller just as I was ripped off with my DS and its gimmick touch screen. I mean the graphics are so 1996 on the DS.

Yeah, the Wiimote IS a Gimmick controller. And YEAH, the DS's touchscreen IS a gimmick feature. Some games may take advantage of it but most games DO nothing special w/ the touchscreen (except maybe mini games) AND Most games DO NOTHING with the TWO screens (usually one screen is a freakin' map screen cause developers can't figure what else it could be). I have a DS because its what many games are released on but really, it would have been better if it had ONE screen that was twice as large and the whole thing was touch-sensitive. Nintendo just pulled a quick trick to dupe consumers into thinking TWO screens are better than one.

And as far as DS graphics, I have no complaints really. I don't expect much from a portable system graphics-wise. The original Gameboy was sub-NES quality, the Gameboy Color was comparable to the NES, the GBA to the SNES and the DS almost to the N64. Nintendo's next handheld will probably be to PS2/Gamecube quality, me thinks....


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I never said the steam would run out in January except in the PS3's case. I figure Nintendo will try to "limit" product availability as long as it can get away with it to drive up demand but by summer they'll have to have store shelves stocked. No one's gonna believe that the Wii has been sold out for TWO Christmases in a row...that's not gonna fly. The "big guns" you mention are nothing gamers haven't seen for years now. It's not like they're releasing Mario 64 or Metroid Prime - these are just the same ol' titles we've been seeing for years except every "new" version has slightly modified graphics, levels and box art.
Same rehashes just like madden, toney hawk, and gran theft auto.

Are you being sarcastic or agreeing with me? I really can't be sure on this reply...

[7th lutz]

I've played the Wii a bit and honestly, it's REALLY overrated.

The only thing the system has going for it is the Wiimote and the downloadable classics games.

Unfortunately, the classics games list is severely lacking, will not be 100% until maybe 5 years from now (they'll be released in trickles, no doubt to make people buy every version of Donkey Kong Country and Mario at various times) and the Wiimote is NOT that accurate. You can bowl or swing a bat by moving your hand fractions of an inch. And even if it can measure motion, it doesn't seem to do a good job measuring speed of motion (try throwing a ball really hard in baseball and see if the speed doesn't randomly fluctuate even if you throw it REALLY hard or REALLY slow).



I am a co-owner of a nintendo wii and I have no problem how nintendo is handling the virtual game console games or wii sports.

Nintendo has about doesn't have a lot of virtual game console games a reason. It is not due to memory or what the wii can handle. The only way this could be an issue is if the vc games were released back in the day as cd games or have the memory of some the Neo geo games for that matter. It doesn't make any sense to have all games to be on all the virtual game console right now from a business stand point. Having 3 or 4 new games a week is a good thing instead have 10 to 20 games a week due to the fact there would be good games that would overlooked along with the it would hurt the the game consoles that weren't weren't nintendo systems and are on the virtual game console.

What would a causal gamer, or a gamer in their teens would do if there is a lot of games on the virtual game console for the nes, snes, n64, genesis, and the tg-16 at one time? The answer is quite simple, A casual gamer, and a gamer in their teens would be only purchase games on game consoles by nintendo and sega along with well-known game franchises only and ingnore the tg-16 due to the fact it the tg-16 didn't have well known games in the states outside bomberman now days. Bonk is not that well known now days before the virtual game console. The causal gamers, and younger gamers would think games on the virtual game console that are under the tg-16 would suck because they never heard of the system or the games! Before the virtual game console, not alot of gamers heard of the tg-16 and that was caused by the gaming generation I was in, wanting a snes or a sega genesis while overlooking games for the tg-16 due to games by marketed for the system. Back in the early part of the 90's, if you were a video game player a gamer in that era would be after a sega genesis or a snes. Your typical gamer is not like a good amount of people on this forum or on atariage's forums for that matter in terms of buying games that aren't popular.

Having those people trying out games or systems they never heard of before is a good thing due to the limited amount of popular games that is on the virtual game consoles at this time. The tg-16 is starting to be more popular due to the virtual game console.

Expecting a person to throw like they do in real life is punishing people who suffer from disabilities from a pysical stand point like myself and isn't good "physically" in terms of being athletic as a result. My disability is my motor skills and speech. I have bad hand coordination. I can do somethings well with my hands and somethings I can't due to my hand coordination. I am able to play some video games well despite my bad hand coordination like I won in a game of Double Dragon against other people in an atariage forum in a Nintendo High score club contest with me following the rules of the contest. The wii sports games are at the right level for me without me being athletic. Some of the games on wii sports are not the easiest for me as a result. If this was based on real life, the buyer of the nintendo wii, my younger brother, would blow me out in more wii sports then he is now due to him being average athletically and me being below average athletically.

[GillianSeed]

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Built in Wifi is not a big deal. The "game" you talk about is a product sampler - HARDLY a game. There's no beginning, middle or end which means it's just a demo or casual-gamer showcase more than anything.

Sure it has... you start a game and you play it until someone wins, then it's over. Then you select another game. By that logic, Asteroids isn't a game. Or Shenmue for that matter, since they never finished it. :)

All I know is, my parents are spending the night at my place and my dad and I will get in some rounds of Wii golf tomorrow. It's something we can do together, something like GoW would be way over his head.

[Kroogah]

All I know is, my parents are spending the night at my place and my dad and I will get in some rounds of Wii golf tomorrow. It's something we can do together, something like GoW would be way over his head.

Indeed. Even going back a generation, I've played plenty of Burnout 3 and Tiger Woods 2004 with my dad. Really the "pick up and play" aspect of gaming is still around in Sports games....but I guess the HARDCORE GAMERS leave stuff like that to "idiot casual gamers" like myself. Who needs NBA Street when you can pop a Square-Enix interactive DVD movie into the PS2 and press the X button for 40 hours?