SNES ultra-rarity

[Cobra SA]

Final Fantasy IV (J) (v1.0)
anyone is interested?

I am very sorry if I post on the wrong place.

[DreamTR]

That game is not rare..

[Cobra SA]

The game is not, but that version is.
It is almost impossible to find a v1.0
They were replaced by v1.1 very early

I know people who bought up to 15 carts in order to find a v1.0.... but they got only v1.
For myself, it took a ****load of v1.1 before finding that shiny v1.0
This is a true jewel for a knowledged collector.

For those who are interested I sell it on ebay (key words: SUPER FAMICOM RARE COLLECTOR)

[slip81]

what's so special about a "v1.0"?

[agbulls]

what's so special about a "v1.0"?

I'm thinking what's so special is that he made it up to increase the game's non-existent value ;) I'd be curious if you're serious though. I've read plenty about the J-FF series, and have never run across anything about multiple releases. If this is indeed true, can you give us a link showing the differences and how to spot them?

[8bitnes]

I'm thinking what's so special is that he made it up to increase the game's non-existent value ;) I'd be curious if you're serious though. I've read plenty about the J-FF series, and have never run across anything about multiple releases. If this is indeed true, can you give us a link showing the differences and how to spot them?

And out come the crickets as total silence fills the air. Notice the poster only has 2 total posts, definitely not worth looking into.

[badinsults]

I have a v1.0, and I bought it a year after it was released. They probably did some minor bug fixes. Personally, I do not see why this would make the game more valuable.

[Cobra SA]

There is no existing dump in goodsnes of this version.
goodsnes only has the v1.1 in its database because this v1.0 is extremely rare.

There must be at most 20 snes games out of the +3700 valid ones that were never dumped. Isn't it enough to prove how rare it is?

Go into the auction and you will see a proof that this is indeed a v1.0 (a picture of the ROM chip)

http://cgi.ebay.com/FINAL-FANTASY-IV-V1-0-RARE-COLLECTOR-SUPER-FAMICOM_W0QQitemZ160095247237QQcategoryZ132630QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I visited in Evan_G site and strangely enough there is no picture of this game... strangly enough... :sob:

If you are not interested by this rarity, that's fine with me. Real collectors know what's the deal, and sooner or later I will find a serious collector.

[8bitnes]

OHHHHH ... now I'm convinced.

[jajaja]

what's so special about a "v1.0"?

I'm wondering about this too. What is the difference between 1.0 and 1.1?

[Cobra SA]

I'm wondering about this too. What is the difference between 1.0 and 1.1?

bugfixes
sometimes the dev find bugs after the release of the v1.0
so they quickly replace the carts with 1.1 bugfix

so the game is basically the same except for the bugfix
the v1.0 has no extra gameplay value compared to the common v1.1, but due to its rarity it has a huge value for whoever wants to collect snes carts or rare carts.

[Vectorman0]

Maybe it's rare, but I think us skeptics wonder about the actual value of it. There are plenty of games with re-releases for bugfixes and minor changes, but I can't think of one that really changes in value, when you can't tell from the outside of the cartridge.


EDIT - Maybe in Japan there is demand, but most of us aren't there.

[miserere01]

There is no existing dump in goodsnes of this version.
goodsnes only has the v1.1 in its database because this v1.0 is extremely rare.

There must be at most 20 snes games out of the +3700 valid ones that were never dumped. Isn't it enough to prove how rare it is?

Go into the auction and you will see a proof that this is indeed a v1.0 (a picture of the ROM chip)

http://cgi.ebay.com/FINAL-FANTASY-IV-V1-0-RARE-COLLECTOR-SUPER-FAMICOM_W0QQitemZ160095247237QQcategoryZ132630QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I visited in Evan_G site and strangely enough there is no picture of this game... strangly enough... :sob:

If you are not interested by this rarity, that's fine with me. Real collectors know what's the deal, and sooner or later I will find a serious collector.

That's funny, the goodsnes set of roms I have has version 1.0 in it. But you know, whatever. At least I'm pretty sure, I'll have to check 100% when I get back to the house.

[Cobra SA]

That's funny, the goodsnes set of roms I have has version 1.0 in it. But you know, whatever. At least I'm pretty sure, I'll have to check 100% when I get back to the house.

definately not in goodsnes, you should get your facts straight

[jajaja]

bugfixes
sometimes the dev find bugs after the release of the v1.0
so they quickly replace the carts with 1.1 bugfix

so the game is basically the same except for the bugfix
the v1.0 has no extra gameplay value compared to the common v1.1, but due to its rarity it has a huge value for whoever wants to collect snes carts or rare carts.

I know its bugfixes hence the only thing difference cosmetic is the number on the ROM chip, but what issues were there? Anything noticeable?

[udisi]

who cares?....

I mean there's few US collectors who would care about a version change in a US FF let along an import superfamicom game.

This is like having to get all the REV-A nes carts or -1 versions. Only the most hardcore worry about variations like that and not matter how rare they are they hardly ever carry a premium over any other version.

There are so many games with version differences it's not even funny.

FFIV JP Loose is about $15-$20 tops reguardless of version. Add $5 complete

[Cobra SA]

who cares?....

I mean there's few US collectors who would care about a version change in a US FF let along an import superfamicom game.

This is like having to get all the REV-A nes carts or -1 versions. Only the most hardcore worry about variations like that and not matter how rare they are they hardly ever carry a premium over any other version.

There are so many games with version differences it's not even funny.World is not limited to the USA, what do they teach you at school? Someone who claimss to be a collector while not caring about revisions is a joker to me. Some people would even hunt a perfect duplicate game, if it had a different sticker ("not for sale" or stuff like that) and they wouldn't care about a cart that have a different game data in it? Don't make me laugh


FFIV JP Loose is about $15-$20 tops reguardless of version. Add $5 completeGood joke, I lol'd

[Gorez]

if its as rare as you say it is...lets see how much it goes for. 10$ right now. i doubt it will make it close to the BIN price of 133$.

[Cobra SA]

What's your point Gorez? Because I didn't find a buyer yet, it proves it's not rare? You're a great thinker man, you are possibly the new Plato.

[Gorez]

lol...i wasnt being mean, or anything. dont get uptight with me because everyone else here doesnt believe you are going to get more than 15$ for it.

[badinsults]

There is no existing dump in goodsnes of this version.
goodsnes only has the v1.1 in its database because this v1.0 is extremely rare.

There must be at most 20 snes games out of the +3700 valid ones that were never dumped. Isn't it enough to prove how rare it is?

Go into the auction and you will see a proof that this is indeed a v1.0 (a picture of the ROM chip)

http://cgi.ebay.com/FINAL-FANTASY-IV-V1-0-RARE-COLLECTOR-SUPER-FAMICOM_W0QQitemZ160095247237QQcategoryZ132630QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I visited in Evan_G site and strangely enough there is no picture of this game... strangly enough... :sob:

If you are not interested by this rarity, that's fine with me. Real collectors know what's the deal, and sooner or later I will find a serious collector.

Yeah, I haven't scanned it yet. I could scan it tomorrow, would that satisfy you? I have lots of snes games, and most of them I have not scanned yet. Also, Cowering himself would admit that Goodsnes is not complete yet. I have chatted with him plenty of times.

[Cobra SA]

Yeah, I haven't scanned it yet. I could scan it tomorrow, would that satisfy you? I have lots of snes games, and most of them I have not scanned yet. Also, Cowering himself would admit that Goodsnes is not complete yet. I have chatted with him plenty of times.

yeah sure he didn't include it for the fun of it! we all know the goal of goodsnes is to be as incomplete as possible and miss as much stuff as possible :bullshit: with +10,000 entries for a system that actually has 3700 different games :bullshit: you made sense, now please just take a rest

the moment you said this cart is not rare, you lost your credibility in the SNES scene :bullshit:

[NinjaJoey23]

the moment you said this cart is not rare, you lost your credibility in the SNES scene

You're pretty hostile for not having been here very long.

[Gorez]

hah...agreed, was thinking the same thing.

[badinsults]

yeah sure he didn't include it for the fun of it! we all know the goal of goodsnes is to be as incomplete as possible and miss as much stuff as possible :bullshit: with +10,000 entries for a system that actually has 3700 different games :bullshit: you made sense, now please just take a rest

the moment you said this cart is not rare, you lost your credibility in the SNES scene :bullshit:



Well really, I do not believer that "rom" variants are going to be commanding that much of a premium. I mean hell, I mananged to get both versions of Killer Instinct without much problem, when there is apparently one version which is "super rare". Sure, the version 1.0 cart may not have been produced as much as the version 1.1, but still, do people who collect games really care that much? That is the thing that makes the game valuable or not. And using the Goodsnes list to determine rarity is just plain retarded.

[Cobra SA]

You're pretty hostile for not having been here very long.No YOU've been hostile to me. Look at the thread from the begining to see who's been hostile first.


And using the Goodsnes list to determine rarity is just plain retarded.I don't think so. Almost all snes games are dumped by now, only the more rare ones are not yet in goodsnes simply because they are .... rare, and not found over the years of dumping.

BTW, did you realize by now you don't have that v1.0 ? Because I still don't see your screenshot. :sob:

[Sothy]

Cobra you should talk to Fighter17 I think you guys would get along splendidly.

[badinsults]

No YOU've been hostile to me. Look at the thread from the begining to see who's been hostile first.

I don't think so. Almost all snes games are dumped by now, only the more rare ones are not yet in goodsnes simply because they are .... rare, and not found over the years of dumping.

BTW, did you realize by now you don't have that v1.0 ? Because I still don't see your screenshot. :sob:

Jeesh, you are sure an uppity prick. I said that I would do it today.

http://snescentral.edgeemu.com/0/0/2/0028/SNS-F4-0.jpg

As you can see by the date on the chip, this so called "short production run" of the version 1.0 game was still being produced into 1992. I wouldn't be surprised if in reality this version is more common. But in reality, it would be almost impossible to judge that, because most people could care less about rom variants.

[DreamTR]

Cobra: Evan is right, if it was something on the "box" and not an internal ROM variant, people might care more, but to be honest, and you are talking to a huge SNES collector here, I could personally care less about it, and am sure others feel the same way. There's a reason why things like Stadium Events go for more money than World Class Track Meet for NES, but absolutely no reason why people would care that much about this "version change."

What means a "complete" collection to one person is not the same to another. THis is why I never understood Atari 2600 collecting, there are so many people that want variants of labels, and there can be as many as 5 or 6 different ones, and NES games with 3 and 5 screw variants, and you are just talking madness here. 2-3 different colors for Sachen games and Bunch/Wisdom Tree stuff?

[jajaja]

Are anyone here really into japanese FF collecting or is it just guessing/assumtions that the -0 version isnt sought after? As DreamTR says, people collect the most crazy things, like NES stuff with 3 and 5 screws, oval and round seal of quality, different versions of the Wisdom Tree games and Racermate. I dont see why this FF would be any different from that.

[badinsults]

Ah, I didn't realize that you were talking about the Japanese version. At any rate, there are very few Super Famicom collectors as it is, so I do not see how you will see this as being a big seller, especially considering the points I made above.

[jajaja]

I have no idea. I dont collect japanese stuff thats why i asked :)

[Cobra SA]

Jeesh, you are sure an uppity prick. I said that I would do it today.

http://snescentral.edgeemu.com/0/0/2/0028/SNS-F4-0.jpg

As you can see by the date on the chip, this so called "short production run" of the version 1.0 game was still being produced into 1992. I wouldn't be surprised if in reality this version is more common. But in reality, it would be almost impossible to judge that, because most people could care less about rom variants.

great joke
thanks for the good laugh
this is the PCB of FF2 US which is very common
only the japanese v1.0 is extremely rare, because it was replaced almost immediately after the release.

from the infos I could gather, the chance of getting a v1.0 in a lot of 100 cartidges is about 1~2% at most, but it's probably much lower.

this auction is for collectors who want those kind of rare carts
if you are not interested, fine, I couldn't care less, however don't lie to other members by pretending it is not rare.


Ah, I didn't realize that you were talking about the Japanese version. At any rate, there are very few Super Famicom collectors as it is, so I do not see how you will see this as being a big seller, especially considering the points I made above.don't make poor excuses please, you already lost your credibility in the snes scene
who would mistaken FFIV Japan and FFII US ? you make yourself look even worse
your above points are irrelevent, you 're talking about different packaging, but I talk about a different game version, different game data, different ROM.

Get your facts straight, kthxbye.

[badinsults]

I don't know why I bother but consider these points:

- There are few SFC collectors out there. That is the reason there is no SFC rarity list
- I don't know of any SFC collector (or SNES collector, for that matter) outside of the emulation scene that cares about rom variants
- The people who do collect rom variants don't really care about the value of games, they just want the rom dumped, and that is that
- Snes collection, though it is picking up steam, hasn't really hit its stride yet
- I don't know about the Japanese collectors scene, but they probably have more interest in a Japanese game than any American
- The fact that this is a Japanese game makes it incredibly difficult to judge exactly how rare it truely is. The snes rarity lists were compiled over many years by a group of hardcore collectors who were out there, judging the availability. This is not the case with SFC games.
- Final Fantasy IV is an incredibly common game. It is like the Japanese equivalent to Madden. Few people check the backs of the cart to check for version number. I'm sure that even if they did, this variant probably had larger production numbers than true rarities like Rendering Ranger.
- Using the Madden analogy, there was a variant of Madden 93 that was only found a couple of years ago. Does that mean that the more rare version 1.1 is all the sudden worth piles of moneys? Hell no.

You are worse than a rom kiddie.

[NinjaJoey23]

you already lost your credibility in the snes scene

Did someone vote on this?

Or by "SNES scene" did you mean the 3 bidders that bid your auction up to an astounding $20? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but some behavior just deserves it.

[Cobra SA]

I'm sure that even if they did, this variant probably had larger production numbers than true rarities like Rendering Ranger.
"I'm sure this" "I'm sure that" but you are actually a clueless kid. You already ruined your reput (if you had any?). Now seriously take a nap and learn the difference between FF4J and FF2US. You don't know shit about shit. This version 1.0 is extremely rare and almost impossible to find. FF4J has been dumped hundreds of times by dozens of dumper over 10 years and still no v1.0 dump is available, only v1.1 and no v1.0 among those hundreds of dumps, and that's it.


Did someone vote on this?

Or by "SNES scene" did you mean the 3 bidders that bid your auction up to an astounding $20? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but some behavior just deserves it.
Trolls, why so much trolls in there? Seriousy, this thread has been turned into a trollnest and killed.
I request a lock up of this thread to the moderators.
I will restart an information thread about SNES rarities and hopefully, Evan_G and his gang will not troll it this time... =/

[Speedy_NES]

"I'm sure this" "I'm sure that" but you are actually a clueless kid. You already ruined your reput (if you had any?). Now seriously take a nap and learn the difference between FF4J and FF2US. You don't know shit about shit. This version 1.0 is extremely rare and almost impossible to find. FF4J has been dumped hundreds of times by dozens of dumper over 10 years and still no v1.0 dump is available, only v1.1 and no v1.0 among those hundreds of dumps, and that's it.


Trolls, why so much trolls in there? Seriousy, this thread has been turned into a trollnest and killed.
I request a lock up of this thread to the moderators.
I will restart an information thread about SNES rarities and hopefully, Evan_G and his gang will not troll it this time... =/

You're making a big deal out of something that obviously isn't a big deal at all...who are you trying to convince??

[GrandAmChandler]

I'd be glad to lock this up.

Cobra: Seriously listen to these people. They know what they are talking about. You have some of the greatest minds in collecting trying to help.

Locked,

-GAC-