Ninja Gaiden Sigma for PS3 runs in 1080p and 60FPS? [Archive]

agbulls

03-24-2007, 10:05 AM

Yup. I read that entire article. I can't even stress how excited I am to pick this up and I've beaten the original and played Black for many hours. The weird thing is that Team Ninja said in their last article (on 1up) that they had determined that the optimal resolution was 720p to get the best experience on the PS3. I'm assuming they were able to get even more than they expected out of the system and now can pump out full 1080p. This is incredibly exciting.

I welcome Team Ninja refining Ninja Gaiden to the point of perfection. There aren't many games that deserve this type of treatment--this is one that does. Interestingly enough, I've been thinking about God of War vs Ninja Gaiden (since I'm playing GOW II).

Even though I really love the story, backgrounds, character design and scope of God of War II I can't help but feel that Ninja Gaiden is a better overall action game. There are times in God of War when I'm trying (desperately) to pull out some "complicated" combos. But, it just doesn't work---the game isn't designed for that. Its fantastic--beyond fantastic---but just not designed for that. What is?

Ninja Gaiden. Everyone who plays Gaiden plays it differently and uses the combo system in their own unique way to create a totally individualized playing experience. That is truly truly unique.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 01:46 PM

Who cares.

How many people own 1080p capable tvs anyway?

Besides, as long as a game is at 30fps, the graphics are good enough.

In fact, making visuals "too slick" can make them look phony, in my opinion.

Gamereviewgod

03-24-2007, 02:44 PM

Who cares.

The people who own 1800p capable sets.

They're really come down in price, so I'm sure 1080p sets are slowly moving into homes. It may not be a huge difference now, but it's an easy selling point.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 02:53 PM

The people who own 1800p capable sets.

They're really come down in price, so I'm sure 1080p sets are slowly moving into homes. It may not be a huge difference now, but it's an easy selling point.

But it doesn't add anything to gameplay.

People who play in 1080i aren't going to say, "Oh my God! I can't play this stupid game! If only I didn't have this damned interlacing!"

...and they're really NOT coming down in price. Until you can get a 1080p TV for less than $500, no one's gonna care.

I mean, what's next? Pong at 1080p? Oh my God --- gotta have that!

agbulls

03-24-2007, 06:07 PM

But it doesn't add anything to gameplay.

People who play in 1080i aren't going to say, "Oh my God! I can't play this stupid game! If only I didn't have this damned interlacing!"

...and they're really NOT coming down in price. Until you can get a 1080p TV for less than $500, no one's gonna care.

I mean, what's next? Pong at 1080p? Oh my God --- gotta have that!

I think the only thing to say here is I'm sorry. I'm sorry you can't afford an HDTV. If you could, you'd be just as excited as those of us who own one.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 06:15 PM

I can afford an HDTV but am I willing to spend $2,000 for a 1080p capable one? Absolutely not. That's a complete ripoff.

In ten years, when everything will be in HD and 1080p will be the next standard, then I'lla dopt it but by then it won't probably be a 1/3 as much as it is now.

All I was saying is that just because a game is higher resolution and a slightly faster framerate doesn't mean it will play any better.

If it was a FPS, MAYBE resolution and a fast framerate would help. MAYBE...and that's only if you have no lag online in multiplayer...single player mode in a FPS would probably benefit, if the hit detection is very accurate on the game's end. BUT, in any other type of game, the jump from 1080i at 30fps to 1080p at 60fps means nuthin'...

Trebuken

03-24-2007, 06:20 PM

Why would Pong at 1080P come after Ninja Gaiden Sigma?

Graphics drive game development. Gameplay drives sales. Developers must pursue both angles. It only makes sens for a game developer to make the most of the hardware that they are working with.

Anyone who owns a PS3, at it's price, should not be to put off by the price of a 1080p set. If you think $500 is a cap on a HDTV price you have yet to enter the 21st century, and I grant that you have plenty of company. People are slow to adopt new technology and cost combined with a little 'futureshock' is the reason.

The PS3 deserves 1080p, and a $600 console deserves a HDTV better than $500. Analog TV is dead. digital is here and it's more expensive.

People will throw a a few hundred dollars a month on a car that only gets a fraction of the use their TV does.

1080P sets will likely make ot to $500 eventually, but the rest of us will be talking about QuadHDTV and 2160p by then...

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 06:44 PM

Why would Pong at 1080P come after Ninja Gaiden Sigma?
It's just an example to show how riduclous it is to say that visuals will add nothing to gameplay after a certain point. An exaggeration, nothing more...sheesh.

Graphics drive game development. Gameplay drives sales. Developers must pursue both angles. It only makes sens for a game developer to make the most of the hardware that they are working with.
I'm not disagreeing with that. But just because a game is at 1080p at 60fps doesn't mean the game is going to PLAY any better. Also keep in mind that at that resolution every texture better be super hi-res also because what's the point of having hi-res visuals if you're using textures optimized for such a "low quality" like 1080i, right???

Anyone who owns a PS3, at it's price, should not be to put off by the price of a 1080p set.
I could say the reverse also...and if that's the case and HDTV's are just flyin' off store shelves, how come all these big spenders aren't spending a bit extra to get a $500/$600 PS3? Like I said, many people HAVE the money to spend, but justifying spending what could be months worth of rent or a year of car payments or groceries on a television is something MOST people struggle with, unless they're super rich.

If you think $500 is a cap on a HDTV price you have yet to enter the 21st century, and I grant that you have plenty of company. People are slow to adopt new technology and cost combined with a little 'futureshock' is the reason.
I am in the 21st century. I have 360 and the visuals are nice, yeah. I use S-Video to view my system on my CRT TV. Does S-Video do hi-res? Nope. But it does the best job possible on my "crappy" tv and honestly, I'm not playing my 360 any more or less because of the visuals. It's the games.

The PS3 deserves 1080p, and a $600 console deserves a HDTV better than $500. Analog TV is dead. digital is here and it's more expensive.
If analog is dead RIGHT NOW, how come it'll be standard until 2009 when the government forces digital to be the norm??? Analog could be the standard for years to come and people wouldn't care except for the techie nerdy people.

I think it's pretty crappy though that in order to get "the most" out of a PS3 you not only have to spend half a grand on the damn system's "low end" model but you also have to invest in not just a $1,000 tv, but a $2,000 tv. And let's not forget the high-end Monster cables for $100+ and the surround sound system (that isn't "low end" either) for $400+.

I think that's why you see people shying away from the PS3 because Sony and people like you are saying, "If you want to play the system like it's meant to be played, pay out $3,000+"...and for what, Resistance?

People will throw a a few hundred dollars a month on a car that only gets a fraction of the use their TV does.

Good point. I drive my car far less then I drive my television.

Last I checked, you also can't drive a PS3 to work or pick your kids up from school or be used as collateral or haul your crap around. But, I think you can make waffles with it.

So, again, what was your point???

1080P sets will likely make ot to $500 eventually, but the rest of us will be talking about QuadHDTV and 2160p by then...
By the "rest of us" you mean idiots who think dumping thousands of dollars extra for a few more lines of pixels and nerdy bragging rights will make you any cooler or play better? Why not donate some of that QuadHDTV money you're going to throw away in two years or whatever to people who say, need to pay bills or rent or buy groceries...or, ya' know, live like NORMAL people.

njiska

03-24-2007, 07:24 PM

Ok ShenmueFan is just being a complete cunt as always so don't take his posts too seriously.

Personally i'm damn impressed however i'm skeptical that the output will be true 1080p60. Most likely it will be 1080p at the frame buffer but only 1080p 30 on the TV. 1080p60 requires a ridiculous amount of bandwidth.

That being said it should look very smooth and given Ninja Gaiden's incredibly fast play speed this will be a benifit. Plus it will look nice.

Colour me impressed wiht both tecmo and the PS3.

jajaja

03-24-2007, 07:29 PM

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 07:44 PM

ShenmueFan: What are you trying to accomplish here? Its ok that you dont agree that 1080p isnt any good, but if you dont have anything positive or constructive to say, please stay of out of this thread. Thanks.

I originally stated that this "news" is not anything worth caring about since it only applies to a small fraction of a small fraction of people in the gaming world. I have a right to say news is garbage just as much as someone has to say it is wonderful. Just because I don't agree with this news in some "positive" way doesn't mean I can't speak my opinion on a PUBLIC messageboard.

Ok ShenmueFan is just being a complete cunt as always so don't take his posts too seriously.
And njiska is using his great intellect in resorting to name calling (once again) because he can't possibly form a coherent thought or intelligent response in his noggin.

Personally i'm damn impressed however i'm skeptical that the output will be true 1080p60. Most likely it will be 1080p at the frame buffer but only 1080p 30 on the TV. 1080p60 requires a ridiculous amount of bandwidth.
But the super powerful PS3 is capable of all things next-gen according to the folks on this thread, so don't worry njiska, you can sleep well tonight knowing that this amazing technical marvel known as a Playstation 3 will not ever, ever let you down.

That being said it should look very smooth and given Ninja Gaiden's incredibly fast play speed this will be a benifit. Plus it will look nice.
So, what, are you saying that it doesn't look nice at anything other than 1080p @ 60fps? I'm just really, really confused on this whole 1080p crap debate. If the PS3 is only worth owning if you are using it at full 1080p, why even support other, inferior modes? Am I missing something here???

Colour me impressed wiht both tecmo and the PS3.
Colour??? Oh, you must be British, Canadian or Australian...that explains a lot...

heybtbm

03-24-2007, 07:50 PM

I'm confused...

From what I've read over the last few months...this game is essentially the same type of thing as the downloadable Tekken 5 HD (or whatever it's called). It's high res visuals on last gen character models, engine, etc? I'm not sure why a prettier version of a Xbox game is so exciting. Is this a new PS3 game or just a new coat of paint? IGN and Gamespot seem to indicate the latter. Are they going to charge $59.99 for this?

jajaja

03-24-2007, 08:02 PM

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 08:10 PM

So what do you want to people to say Jajaja?

"Great! PS3 is awesome now because Tecmo says a port of an Xbox game is gonna be optimized for 1080p and 60fps visuals!"

Is that it? That's all you want? If that's the case, fine. I'm sure a few of the thread's readers will agree with you, especially ones who are total Sony fanboys or the Ninja Gaiden fans who want the best whatever for their game.

However, you have to realize that this is not a news website. If you don't want people to comment on a news story, whether it comes directly from a company as press release or some rewording on your part, then don't post it on a forum. Check out kotaku.com --- no matter what a news story is, there are people who say good AND bad about things about everything. But yet, kotaku.com continues to let every news story be commented on.

You can request a lock if you want but that's the equivalent of throwing a tantrum and saying "I'm taking my ball and bat home" because not everyone says what you want them to.

And I say "news" sarcastically because I don't see how adding minor updates to a game that's been out for a long time is even newsworthy. That would be page 10 news in a newspaper but you're acting as if this 1080p Ninja Gaiden announcement will bring a PS3 into every home. Chill out.

This is why trying to talk to hardcore Sony fans is futile - no matter what they say, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, the second you come up with a point that makes them come up with a REAL, GOOD answer WHY on their part they do things or whatever they get all pissy, start stating how superior their products are and basically how poor, stupid and unworthy anyone not giving them praise are. Then they cut you off and repeat the same crap soon after because apparently they don't learn their lessons.

So cut me off Jajaja...I don't care. It isn't going to stop me from saying when there's dumb news for the PS3, the 360, the Wii or whatever. Do I have to say something negative all the time, even if I think it? Of course not. But I think the sooner certain groups of gamers start thinking about WHY they think certain ways (which happens when disagreement of opinions occur), the sooner we can teach the industry people lessons by doing or not doing certain things.

NinjaJoey23

03-24-2007, 08:10 PM

By the "rest of us" you mean idiots who think dumping thousands of dollars extra for a few more lines of pixels and nerdy bragging rights will make you any cooler or play better?

Not true. I have a 19in LCD TV that can run 480p, 720p, and 1080i, as well as doubling as a computer monitor. It cost me $300 brand new. While it cannot run 1080p and thus cannot get the "full" benefit of the PS3, with a television of that size you could not see the difference unless you were inches away. I guarantee you that 720p or 1080i look fabulous, and I don't need anything more at this point.

Colour??? Oh, you must be British, Canadian or Australian...that explains a lot...

I don't understand the hostility. Some ill-feelings harbored against 1080p?

agbulls

03-24-2007, 08:20 PM

I originally stated that this "news" is not anything worth caring about since it only applies to a small fraction of a small fraction of people in the gaming world. I have a right to say news is garbage just as much as someone has to say it is wonderful. Just because I don't agree with this news in some "positive" way doesn't mean I can't speak my opinion on a PUBLIC messageboard.

Yes, of course you are entitled to debate whatever you feel like. However, all conversations within each indvidual thread are intended to discuss the thread topic--and not to debate whether the thread should have been created or not.

I would personally like to discuss what was intended---Ninja Gaiden in full 1080p. If you don't have the set to enjoy it at this particular moment, that's fine. However, with that said...(and realize that I don't want to egg on the troll any further) I wanted to remind you that even though the vast majority of a "small fraction of people in the gaming world" don't have an HDTV---THIS particular board is incredibly unique.

We're mostly adults--many married--and collectors. We have discussions about modifying our NES and Atari systems to play in RGB with $250 XRGB converters. This is a COMMON discussion. In other words, we are a "small fraction of people in the gaming world." We are the TRUE HARDCORE. And, being the true hardcore small fraction of the gaming world--many of us...No--MOST of us..have HDTVs. Yes, 1080p HDTVs. And, some of us might want to discuss playing the greatest modern action game in 1080p.

Ok, with that out of the way let me reitterate a couple things for the doubters about Ninja Gaiden Sigma. Team Ninja has not only kept all the content from Ninja Gaiden Black (16 chapters) but added 4 chapters for Rachel. Every single texture has been redone from scratch for the game--and there are at least three new weapons. Ryu's costume has been totally redone as well. For many that felt they were Ninja Gaiden'd out you might want to avoid this. Is it a rerelease? Yes and no. It seems to me they're really aiming this at two groups of people: The Ninja Gaiden diehards and the new PS3 owners that were PS2 owners that never owned an Xbox.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by ShenmueFan
By the "rest of us" you mean idiots who think dumping thousands of dollars extra for a few more lines of pixels and nerdy bragging rights will make you any cooler or play better?

Not true. I have a 19in LCD TV that can run 480p, 720p, and 1080i, as well as doubling as a computer monitor. It cost me $300 brand new. While it cannot run 1080p and thus cannot get the "full" benefit of the PS3, with a television of that size you could not see the difference unless you were inches away. I guarantee you that 720p or 1080i look fabulous, and I don't need anything more at this point.

I never said 720p or 1080i didn't look good. They do. They look wonderful, especially if you have a name brand monitor that really is a quality piece of technology. But playing Gears of War in 720p vs. 1080i isn't going to radically change your gameplay experience the way it might ground from standard definition to even 720p. My point was that 1080p isn't a big enough leap from 1080i or 720p to get all excited about.

Originally Posted by ShenmueFan
Colour??? Oh, you must be British, Canadian or Australian...that explains a lot...
I don't understand the hostility. Some ill-feelings harbored against 1080p?
No, njiska is just a douche bag at times (oh no! I'm turning into HIM w/ name calling!) and my only explanation for it must be that he has some hatred for Americans or something...

and realize that I don't want to egg on the troll any further

I love it. Every time I say something certain posters don't like, they call me a troll. Maybe I should start doing that. Agbulls, you're a troll!

We're mostly adults--many married--and collectors. We have discussions about modifying our NES and Atari systems to play in RGB with $250 XRGB converters. This is a COMMON discussion. In other words, we are a "small fraction of people in the gaming world." We are the TRUE HARDCORE.
You're more hardcore than me because your married? Is there a checklist I need to refer to before I post regarding what hardcore topics I am allowed to post on? I'm so confused! Am I allowed to ask about hardcore gaming posting if I'm not a hardcore gaming poster yet? HELP!

And, being the true hardcore small fraction of the gaming world--many of us...No--MOST of us..have HDTVs.
Do you have proof? Have you done a survey of every member on this site? Why would you ASSUME MOST people here, MANY of whom play older, classic games, even have the desire to get a NEXT-GEN HDTV set? Isn't more logical to assume that these collectors and middle aged, married adults spend less money on the newest TV technology than, say, posters on a Playstation 3 messageboard? Present proof please.

Yes, 1080p HDTVs.
I guess everyone on Digital Press's forums must've been at that UK PS3 launch and grabbed a TV then...that's my only explanation for MOST people to have 1080p tvs. Are you even living in the real world? Do you KNOW how much a difference in cost there is between 1080p and 1080i HDTV's????

Finally...

However, all conversations within each indvidual thread are intended to discuss the thread topic--and not to debate whether the thread should have been created or not.
Who says? If a thread is not worth ever creating in the first place because it is so limited in potential response or impact, why can't someone come by and say, "This thread is dumb. Why are you posting this?"

I guarantee you that if I started a thread and wrote, "I'm wearing socks right now" people would either ignore me or tell me that I'm stupid for saying something so stupid.

Geez!

badinsults

03-24-2007, 08:32 PM

agbulls

03-24-2007, 08:41 PM

I looked at the screenshots. Even though they are high resolution, the aren't that impressive. The high resolution just makes it easier to see the jaggies. For instance:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/856/856529/img_4416897.html

Look at the Ryu's arms. And the swords. And the cracks between the floorboards. It would take more than graphics to sell me this game, because it doesn't look that great.

I'm almost positive that "high resolution" screenshot is not in HD. Do yourself a favor and watch the newest HD gameplay footage from www.gamevideos.com. It's really impressive when you watch it full screen. They also have a video that compares the XB version to this new one.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 08:53 PM

It has to be 1080p. If you look at any of the fine details, you can see that it is too detailed to be 1080i.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t129/scottcarmichael/ninjagaiden.jpg

Jaggies indeed! Hahaha!

jajaja

03-24-2007, 08:53 PM

So what do you want to people to say Jajaja?

"Great! PS3 is awesome now because Tecmo says a port of an Xbox game is gonna be optimized for 1080p and 60fps visuals!"

Why would you say that if you dont mean it? You dont get it. This isnt about that you have to agree to anything. I dont care shit if you dont agree with this being great news, but keep it to yourself or speak in another way. Its fully possible to discuss and disagree without having a negative and "who cares" attitude. Its a saying that goes "if you dont have anything positive to say, dont say it". It is also possible to sftu. You dont have to speak ur mind just because you disagree.

Gamereviewgod

03-24-2007, 08:54 PM

I never said 720p or 1080i didn't look good. They do. They look wonderful, especially if you have a name brand monitor that really is a quality piece of technology. But playing Gears of War in 720p vs. 1080i isn't going to radically change your gameplay experience the way it might ground from standard definition to even 720p. My point was that 1080p isn't a big enough leap from 1080i or 720p to get all excited about.

I guess everyone on Digital Press's forums must've been at that UK PS3 launch and grabbed a TV then...that's my only explanation for MOST people to have 1080p tvs. Are you even living in the real world? Do you KNOW how much a difference in cost there is between 1080p and 1080i HDTV's????

Not much at all. I just bought a '37 inch 1080p LCD for under a grand. My mom splurged and got the 42 incher for only $200 more. That's not a major cost difference.

And resolution does make a difference, especially in FPS titles where you need the extra resolution to distinguish a box from an enemy. Makes a huge difference, and playing Ghost Recon on the 360 was incredible. The higher the res, the easier it is to spot potential threats.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 09:00 PM

Not much at all. I just bought a '37 inch 1080p LCD for under a grand. My mom splurged and got the 42 incher for only $200 more. That's not a major cost difference.

And resolution does make a difference, especially in FPS titles where you need the extra resolution to distinguish a box from an enemy. Makes a huge difference, and playing Ghost Recon on the 360 was incredible. The higher the res, the easier it is to spot potential threats.

I already said resolution makes a difference in FPS games. That's the only genre where it truly helps...but again, like I said, if the game doesn't have super accurate hit detection or draw distance or whatever, increased res. isn't going to do THAT much for you.

Also, what brands of TVs did you buy? What's the refresh rate? Where did you get those? Were they limited time offers? Did you include the necessary extended warranty plans anyone with two brain cells will buy for "pretty likely to die soon" LCD and Plasma TVs? Whereever you got your TVs, it wasn't in a store any normal person will likely be able to walk into and buy without problem. You either got a big discount, a refurbished model or, in more likelihood, a 1080i TV that you think and say is 1080p.

Plus, keep in mind that CLOSE to $1,000 is still wayyyyyyyyy mor ethan the majority of consumers will pay for a TV. Ask a friend, a neighbor, a person you work with, whoever - I guarantee you (unless you live in a rich man's world or are surrounded by techie people 24/7) that no one really wants to spend more than $500 for a TV.

Gamereviewgod

03-24-2007, 09:15 PM

Also, what brands of TVs did you buy? What's the refresh rate? Where did you get those? Were they limited time offers? Did you include the necessary extended warranty plans anyone with two brain cells will buy for "pretty likely to die soon" LCD and Plasma TVs? Whereever you got your TVs, it wasn't in a store any normal person will likely be able to walk into and buy without problem. You either got a big discount, a refurbished model or, in more likelihood, a 1080i TV that you think and say is 1080p.

..

Not, it's a brand new set. Warranties are overpriced and risky unless they come from the manufacturer. I have a year and if anything goes wrong, it will happen in that period. LCDs don't die and have a life of around 10 years, and that's assuming you'll use it a ton.

And no, this is a native 1080p Westinghouse LCD with a solid 8ms refresh rate. The only thing it doesn't have is a HD Tuner built in, which is almost unneccesary at this point. I know what I bought because it's critical for me as a DVD critic.

You can check out this massive thread on AVS forum about their sets:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=655280&page=1&pp=30

Also, as you can see here, the price is actually a little lower than when I bought it:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Westinghouse_LVM_37W3_37_LCD_TV,__18577153/search=westinghouse

Seriously, do the research before going crazy about the cost. 1080p simply isn't as expensive as you think it is, and in some cases, cheaper than 720p sets already.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 09:29 PM

For starters, warranties are NOT risky - the only risky part is wher eyou get your warranty from. If you get a warranty from Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, Sears, etc. you're okay because you can bring them into any store or in some cases a technician will come to your house (Sears).

LCDs won't die completely but LCDs are generally known for getting many dead pixels if they are low quality to begin with and used more than expected. Plasmas are tricky because they have more parts that need replacing often.

I did some research on your 37" TV...
Best Buy: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7749653&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050006&id=1140394400806
$1,500.

That's hardly "under $1,000"...not EVEN close.

Then I looked at the other places you listed...
The lowest price one ($970) is from Digital1234...and I would NEVER give my credit card to a business with a site that looked like that, let alone $1,000!

The other sites for the lowest priced models generally look pretty crappy too, which means I would be VERY leery of doing business with any of these, just on the off-chance something were to go wrong in shipping or with the packaging of goods, etc. Plus, keep in mind that you generally pay around $50 for S&H and then tax on top of the item cost.

And like I said, you can't walk into a store and get a 37" 1080p TV brand new for under a $1,000, no way.

Oh, and it's Westinghouse...not a "good" name brand most people would go with. Westinghouse has a long history of being known as a fairly low-end TV manufacturer, sorta like Dell in the computer world and Kia in the auto business.

OH, and your 37" TV doesn't have a tuner so (this is from Best Buy's product page) "Note: HD-ready TV monitor only; external tuner required for HD and conventional TV viewing"....so add another $150-$250 for that on your product price bucko!

Gamereviewgod

03-24-2007, 09:39 PM

No, you don't need the tuner unless you plan on getting OTA broadcasts. Any cable company has HD boxes if they have HD service.

Westinghouse has picked up their sets immensely. Samsung was unknown at one point too. Name brand doesn't always mean better.

I ordered mine from MWave, the one that has the set for $999. Not a single problem. You don't know anything about the company you mentioned either. They're likely perfectly reliable for all you and I know.

NewEgg had it about a week ago for a little less than that. Just because you can't get it in a store doesn't change the fact that they can't be had for under a grand. You're grasping here. Of course Best Buy has a huge mark up.

As for the warranty, that's not how they work all the time. Best Buy used to deal with a third party warranty company which eventually went under. Regardless of when or how much you paid, you lost it.

No dead pixels on my set either, and if you search the thread at AVS or at Home Theater forum, you'll see very few have any issues. These are well made sets.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 09:50 PM

Regardless of price wars back and forth between websites neither of us know a whole lot about, the point of the talk of price is this:

**MOST** CONSUMERS will not pay over $500 for a TV, much less $1,000. **MOST** CONSUMERS are not savvy on HD standards, mostly because even HD people can't agreen amonst each other on a standard format (480p? 720p? 720i? 1080i? 1080p?), so unless they are tech-heads, they won't know the difference between a 1080i model and a 1080p unles sthey see it side by side...which brings me to my next point...

**MOST** CONSUMERS will not buy a TV they cannot see in person. How many times have you went in a Best Buy and said, "The specs looks great, and almost identical to that set over there...but man, this picture sucks!" Well, buying an HDTV isn't like buying cereal. Just because you've bought one brand before does NOT mean their stuff will be the same quality, especially with new technology. CRT TVs have been around for decades with years and years to improve the technology and decrease the prices. You can get an excellent CRT TV for $100 even if its made by a no-name company. The same cannot be said with HDTVs.

And trust me, if you're trying to talk a non-tech person into spending $200+ more for a TV because it's 1080i and not 720p or 1080p instead of 1080i, they'll listen, nod, and then buy the cheaper of the two. It's that simple and I hate that Sony and all these game developers think by shoving "HD CONTENT!" in our face constantly that's going to make the technology catch on any faster. Instead of spending all that time making Ninja Gaiden optimized for 1080p screens Tecmo should have been adding new levels or content.

But they ddidn't, because most of the new games on this generation of systems rely on gimmicks and crappy upgrades such as HD-support to justify their bloated prices and unoriginality in game design. I'm sick of it.

In how this relates to Ninja Gaiden, I'm simply pointing out that because HD is not readily available or accepted by the majority of consumers out there, insignificant news about tiny changes to visuals mean EVEN less.

Gamereviewgod

03-24-2007, 09:55 PM

That doesn't change the fact that there are people who care. No, the majority won't know, but for the die hard videophiles, this is important information.

HDTV sales have skyrocketed in the past year, so much so that widescreen DVDs finally outsell pan and scan crap. While I don't have any stats in front of me, I'd be willing to say someone in the HDTV market is probably expecting the cost of a $1000 on average.

And you can see my set at Best Buy. That's what sold me on it, but I sure as hell wasn't about to pay their price.

jajaja

03-24-2007, 09:55 PM

heybtbm

03-24-2007, 10:10 PM

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6049/breakingrh2.jpg

...not directed at Jajaja.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 10:15 PM

That doesn't change the fact that there are people who care. No, the majority won't know, but for the die hard videophiles, this is important information.

It's information alright, but hardly important. I just don't understand why the original poster isn't pissed this is all they're getting in a PS3 Ninja Gaiden istead of new, worthwhile content.

HDTV sales have skyrocketed in the past year, so much so that widescreen DVDs finally outsell pan and scan crap. While I don't have any stats in front of me, I'd be willing to say someone in the HDTV market is probably expecting the cost of a $1000 on average.
Widescreen could be outselling Pan & Scan because of many factors and may have NOTHING to do HDTV adoption. Pan & Scan transfers cost more than Widescreen transfer because another editing process is involved. DVDs are cheaper than they used to be and the profit margins are smaller. Also, most DVD players nowadays have a Zoom feature that people with older TVs can use if they want a 16:9 image to fill up a 4:3 screen. Also, keep in mind that film studios could be trying to get people used to widescreen viewing so they get interested in widescreen TVs.

A better plan would've been to NEVER release widescreen DVD movies (just make them crystal clear 4:3 pan and scan versions) and THEN make the widescreen crystal clear version the HD version. Hahaha...stupid film companies! They're gonna be stuck using the DVD format mostly for the next 10-15 years!

And you can see my set at Best Buy. That's what sold me on it, but I sure as hell wasn't about to pay their price.
But YOU are the minority. Most people do NOT buy things off the internet, especially big ticket items like TVs. Gamers may buy more techie stuff than your average consumer but you forget MOST gamers are CASUAL gamers, unfortunately.

Ninja Gaiden doest only run in 1080p. You dont have to own a 1080p compatible TV to be able to play it, hell, you can even run it on a 480i TV. But it has support for it, which is very nice for the people who actually owns a 1080p compatible TV.

Its like Crysis for PC, it got full DX10 support, but not many got a DX10 card today so it also supports DX9. That it supports DX10 is a nice feature for all the DX10 card owners out there.

If you have a PS3 hooked up to a non-HDTV, aren't you the demographic Sony and Sony fanboys say are useless? I wouldn't even bother buying a PS3 or any of its games if I had to play with something other the ideal TV because I'd feel ripped off enough as it is and knowing that I'm getting the "crappy" value of a PS3 after paying $500+ because I have a "crappy" TV makes me not want it even moreso.

PC games are different and always have been. Usually computer games all have different setups and no two users usually have the same experience. The 'Miminum Specs' usually mean you can play the game exactly the way it was designed and get what the developers wanted you to get from it. The 'Recommedned specs' usually mean you'll see and hear better but the game is generally the same.

The point of a CONSOLE system is to NOT be like PC Games which constantly require upgrading of tech to always have the latest and greatest. If 3 people who own a PS3, one owns a traditional non-HD CRT, one owns a 1080i tv and on owns a 1080p tv...and all three have radically different experiences and only the 1080p one is getting the best value and fun out of this games, then that means Sony is giving all but the richest gamers a big middle finger and saying poor gamers aren't allowed to enjoy their products.

I say "Screw You" to Sony.

Gamereviewgod

03-24-2007, 10:16 PM

...not directed at Jajaja.

Good stuff btbm.

njiska

03-24-2007, 10:22 PM

Ninja Gaiden doest only run in 1080p. You dont have to own a 1080p compatible TV to be able to play it, hell, you can even run it on a 480i TV. But it has support for it, which is very nice for the people who actually owns a 1080p compatible TV.

Its like Crysis for PC, it got full DX10 support, but not many got a DX10 card today so it also supports DX9. That it supports DX10 is a nice feature for all the DX10 card owners out there.

See that's just a logical move. You don't screw yourself out of any market share and you offer something for the people who can take advantage of it. In the case of Ninja Gaiden it just makes the game incredibly stunning and while that may not have a direct effect on gameplay (it may have one too), it still makes for a stunning experience and really as gamer's isn't that's what we're after?

We don't want part of it, we want it all. Good graphics, good gameplay, good sound and all at a good price. Right now Sigma is look to deliver all of the above.

ShenmueFan: And yes i'm specifically not responding to you. Not because i don't have a good reponse, but because Jajaja and Gamereviewgod have already done more then enough arguing.

jajaja

03-24-2007, 10:23 PM

...not directed at Jajaja.

lol, dunno if that was sarastic or not, but i only have a 480i TV so that image wouldnt fit me at all :) I wont get a HDTV before in 1 year, and thats the earliest.

If you have a PS3 hooked up to a non-HDTV, aren't you the demographic Sony and Sony fanboys say are useless?

I dont know what fanboys say, but my point was that 1080p TV is optional, not required to play NG.

If 3 people who own a PS3, one owns a traditional non-HD CRT, one owns a 1080i tv and on owns a 1080p tv...and all three have radically different experiences and only the 1080p one is getting the best value and fun out of this games, then that means Sony is giving all but the richest gamers a big middle finger and saying poor gamers aren't allowed to enjoy their products.

That would be like saying that Crytek (makers of Crysis) would give the middle finger to all users who doesnt have a brand new PC with a GF8800 card. Crysis look amazing visually and it requires alot of juice to run like its suppose to, but you can also run it on an older system, but it would look far from as good as if you have a top notch PC. The same goes for PS3 or 360. If you have an old CRT TV you wont be able to get the most out of it.

Gamereviewgod

03-24-2007, 10:23 PM

It's information alright, but hardly important. I just don't understand why the original poster isn't pissed this is all they're getting in a PS3 Ninja Gaiden istead of new, worthwhile content.

Maybe they never played the Xbox version.

According to Nielsen who did the research on movies that were released in BOTH widescreen/pan and scan, this was one of the key reasons for adoption. Even still, what else would it be? It's certainly not education on part of the movie companies.

[quote]But YOU are the minority. Most people do NOT buy things off the internet, especially big ticket items like TVs. Gamers may buy more techie stuff than your average consumer but you forget MOST gamers are CASUAL gamers, unfortunately.

And Amazon.com is a multi million dollar company why? When you spend that much money, you do the research. Maybe not as much as I would, but certainly on pricing and features.

If 3 people who own a PS3, one owns a traditional non-HD CRT, one owns a 1080i tv and on owns a 1080p tv...and all three have radically different experiences and only the 1080p one is getting the best value and fun out of this games, then that means Sony is giving all but the richest gamers a big middle finger and saying poor gamers aren't allowed to enjoy their products.

Isn't that the case for any technology? Wouldn't the person with a high end computer be able to do more than someone with a low end? And seriously, Sony's system is $600. That a huge middle finger right there.

Is 1080p a radical difference? No, of course not. However, it is a difference. You can choose to take it or not. Either way, you'll be enjoying a great game. It's not like 1080p support costs a few extra millions to implement. It's there for those who want it and will likely lead to extra sales. It made me want to play NBA Street Homecourt a hell of a lot more.

ShenmueFan

03-24-2007, 10:37 PM

Maybe they never played the Xbox version.

Widescreen could be outselling Pan & Scan because of many factors and may have NOTHING to do HDTV adoption.

According to Nielsen who did the research on movies that were released in BOTH widescreen/pan and scan, this was one of the key reasons for adoption. Even still, what else would it be? It's certainly not education on part of the movie companies.

Also keep in mind that companies look at certain areas of the country and demographics when deciding where to release certain versions of products. Video rental stores are great representations of this in the film world because they intentionally supply Fullscreen DVDs to towns where incomes are lower (and most likely won't have widescreen TVs or be as intelligent to know they're missing out) and more Widescreen versions to areas where the potential user base is smarter and more likely to have the equipment and know-how to appreciate them. DVD manufacturers simply think that by 2007, most consumers who buy DVDs want more Widescreen versions then Fullscreen and are adjusting processing quantities appropriately in the same way VHS titles became few and fewer after 2000.

Same thing in the retail world. DVDs, DVD players and such are to the point where even old people know the difference between a 4:3 image and a 16:9 image. They might not know specifics but they know you get the "bars" on the widescreen titles but also get to see the whole picture.

I remembers around 1999/2000 when Walmart actually had printed out flyers showing how much of the screen image you lost compared to pan and scan on traditional VHS/non-widescreen titles. They did this because they knew consumers wouldn't appreciate the difference if they didn't understand it.

Nowadays, people have educated themself enough to know that widescreen DVDs are generally more preferable than fullscreen versions. In another 10 years, I think most consumers will understand that High Definition is much, much better than standard definition. But that won't be for years and between now and then, all Sony and other HD-obsessed companies are doing is wasting everyone's time and money with this nonsense because 10 years from now there could very well be a whole new format for videos and screen resolution.

jajaja

03-24-2007, 10:53 PM

It's information alright, but hardly important. I just don't understand why the original poster isn't pissed this is all they're getting in a PS3 Ninja Gaiden istead of new, worthwhile content.

If you read the article on the first page instead of arguing on every little thing you would know there is new content in the PS3 version. As Gamereviewgod says, many people havnt played the Xbox version, i'm one of them. Alot of people are big NG fans (im also one of them, but only for the NES versions since those are the once i've played the most) and are really looking forward to the remake.

It doesnt really matter to me because i dont have a PS3 and i wont get one before atleast a year when its cheaper. I just wanted to spread the good news to people who care about Ninja Gaiden.

agbulls

03-24-2007, 11:02 PM

Let me be the first to say...

This conversation has become INSANE!!!!!

njiska

03-24-2007, 11:14 PM

Let me be the first to say...

This conversation has become INSANE!!!!!

Seconded.

jajaja

03-24-2007, 11:17 PM

Ye, it went pretty overboard, but its better now (unless someone contunies hehe) :)

PS2Hawk

03-25-2007, 12:23 AM

I have to say that this will be an awesome addition to PS3 with devil may cry going multiplatform I think now we can compared how both games rack up! however I would ask you

DO YOU THINK THIS IS A CHALLENGE TO CAPCOM ? BECAUSE DMC4 AIN'T GONNA BE 1080P! and Team Ninja is all about squeezing every bit of power out of a system by the time they ship their product..

Trebuken

03-25-2007, 05:04 PM

ShenmueFan

03-25-2007, 05:27 PM

I think we should try arguing evolution with the intelligent design crowd; it's be easier.

Kemo, not an fps. Looks awesome deinterlaced to 1080p. On a stndard set you'd think you were playing a PS2 game.

Simpler than that is Xbox Live arcade. Many of the games are adapted to Hi-Def gaming. They look much better with the higher resolution. Same gameplay plus better looking
equals more fun (applies to dating as well).

It's good to know that the electronics stores, and retailes like Walmart and BEst Buy, are devoting increased retail space to these HDTV's that no one can affors (accept the rich). What are they thinking.

The transition to digital in 2009 has been delayed several times (to the chagrin of the techie nerdy types) because of the cost and hostility of those poor people who can't afford an adult TV. It's OK though, they will have free converter boxes for the non-techie non-nerd so that you can keep watching analog television. Maybe TVLand? You probably can't watch CSI or anything newer because it has no plot when deinterlaced to 1080p.

HDTV envy is a real thing, and those of us that can live life at 1080p are truly sorry that you have to drive your kids to school (Buses to much texture for them?) instead of wasting a dozen car payments on an HDTV...

Dude, I hope your trying to be funny because if you're actually serious in what you're saying, you're acting like an ass.

No one ever said HDTVs weren't cool. No one ever said HDTVs weren't what everyone would like to have over regular TV. What I was pointing out was that even if really good HDTVs were around $1000, most people still wouldn't buy them because electronics/gadgets/etc. like TVs are luxuries, not necessities like a car, or a home or groceries.

And you don't sound "truly sorry" for people who have to "drive their kids to school"...you sound like you're better than everyone because you can dump money into a device that will drop significantly in price over the next few years. What was that old saying about a foolish man and his money???

And what's this "adult" tv crap? Is there such a thing? If so, are there "adult" restaurants? Or how about "adult" homes? Maybe "adult" toilet paper as well? I find it funny that you are on a videogame site talking about how superior "adult" stuff is when you are gonna play games obviously designed for kids and young people. A bit of a contradiction, no?

Simpler than that is Xbox Live arcade. Many of the games are adapted to Hi-Def gaming. They look much better with the higher resolution. Same gameplay plus better looking
equals more fun (applies to dating as well).
Here's a good analogy: Take an album recorded in the 70s and transfer it to CD - sure, it'll sound slightly better because it'll be an exact copy of the source material and past media wasn't able to reproduce it. But even so, the CD will not be used fully like it could be and as a result, you are still listening to an analog sound on a digital disc. Same goes for upconversion on DVD players. May look somewhat better but it still isn't going to fix any problems with the original source material.

As far as dating goes, looks aren't everything. I've dated extremely beautiful girls and better than average ones and been friends with so-so looking ones...and you know what? Looks only get you so far. Looks might add slightly to any experience, especially if you are just temporarily involved with it (whether it be gaming or dating or whatever) but that extremely beautiful girl's looks won't seem as appealing if she has a boring personality, superiority-complex or irritating habits that maybe a so-so or regular pretty girl don't.

You probably can't watch CSI or anything newer because it has no plot when deinterlaced to 1080p.
Since when did any CSI have a plot? It's f%^&in' Quincy for the 2000s...

agbulls

03-25-2007, 05:32 PM

Ok, I've officially had enough..Shenmuefan---PLEASE STOP.

Judging by your name, you're likely more of an adventure fan than an action/Ninja Gaiden kinda guy. Can you please please please please please stop this totally uneccesary back and forth sentence analyzing?

It is totally ruining this potentially cool thread. I know we would all appreciate it. :D

ShenmueFan

03-25-2007, 05:42 PM

I'll stop commenting when people stop pulling comments outta their @$$ just to have something to say.

BTW - Sentence analyzing is the way to go if you wanna point out how stupid someone's argument really is.

jajaja

03-25-2007, 05:52 PM

Just a small comment regarding the jaggy screens earlier. It looks like they are upscaled from 720p and no anti-aliasing is used. Dont know how the final version of the game is, but seriously doubt its that jaggy.

agbulls

03-25-2007, 06:00 PM

ShenmueFan

03-25-2007, 06:15 PM

I don't care if you don't like me. From what I recall, you didn't like me when I first started posting so I was already at a loss. I'm not going to prove my worth to the likes of you.

In fact, I'm done with this thread. Apparently the inmates run the asylum and when it comes to HD-gaming and TV knowledge, ignorance is bliss in the minds of many vocal DG-posters.

Anthony1

03-25-2007, 09:51 PM

The graphics whore in me really wishes that 1080p was actually a big deal. Unfortunately, for the vast majority of people it isn't. What most people don't realize, is that the human eye can only perceive so much resolution at a certain viewing distance. In fact, those of you with 1080p HDTV's that are less than 60 inches, need to actually sit 4 to 6 feet away from the screen to actually resolve the improvement in resolution. I don't know about you, but everybody I know that has a 50 inch HDTV, sit's at the very least 8 feet or so away, making their purchase of a 1080p set a total waste. From a viewing distance of 8 feet, the human eye cannot percieve the difference in resolution from 720p to 1080p.

Therefore, the only people that really benefit from 1080p, are those with absolutely ginormous screens. I'm talking 100 inches and more. Basically, the projector set. And while it may be relatively affordable to acquire a 1080p display that's 50 inches, acquiring a 1080p projector (especially DLP) is a whole nuther ballgame. Right now, you can get a Sony Pearl for about 4 grand, but to me, 4 grand is what you pay for a used car, not a freaking TV, but that's just me.

Sure, I'm one of those dudes that has a ginormous screen, I have a 131 inch 16:9 screen that is frickin amazing. Right now I have a 720p DLP projector, and life is good. Sure, I'm looking forward to the day I have a true 1080p DLP projector, but that day is definitely a year or two away, consdering the current prices. I paid $850 for my Mits HD1000u projector, and I don't see myself paying more than around $1200 for a projector, EVER. So I think I'll be looking at Xmas 2008 at the very earliest before I can even ponder the thought of a 1080p projector.

Anywho, back to the original discussion, 1080p might be one of the most overrated marketing gimmicks in electronic history for the vast majority of consumers that don't sit a few feet from their glowing tubes.

zektor

03-26-2007, 12:19 AM

Holy crap. I read through the first few threads (or argruments/debates...what have you) and here is my take on it:

Good show that the game has 1080p capability. I cannot afford an 1080p TV, I am in no way afraid of admitting that. I wish I could. Well, I *could*, but it would mean a nasty fight with my wife, bills not getting paid for a month, no real food for myself/wife/child....hah. In other words, no can do. And probably no can do for quite a long time.

But, it is nice to know that you can play the game now on what you have and rediscover it once again (graphically) when you have a newer TV. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. Good example of this in my home is the HD-DVD drive for the 360. Sure, I have it hooked up to my analog set. I don't get much more out of it as opposed to standard DVD (except for the in-movie menu stuff and so on), but I would much rather spend $5 more a movie at this point just knowing that I am purchasing movies that have the ABILITY to output at a higher res. I am sure I will be happy I have these when I can afford that HD TV.

NinjaJoey23

03-26-2007, 12:54 AM

Makes a huge difference, and playing Ghost Recon on the 360 was incredible.

Eh, you must be sitting VERY close to your 37in. to notice anything.

http://comcal.wboc.com/img/resvsdist.jpg

I found this chart on a PS3 discussion forum awhile ago, posted by a guy who seemed to know what he was talking about, claiming he's a broadcast engineer. According to the chart, you'd need to sit about 5-7 ft from a 37in. to start to notice the benefit and would need to be just under 5 ft away to get the full benefit.

Concerning the topic at hand, I think it's great if they can get it to run at a smooth 60 in 1080p. But according to the chart, and reinforced by others' input, like Anthony1, this matters for a small amount of people. Of course, I'm sure the claim of 1080p and 60 fps will cause a lot of "OMG it looks SOOO much better in 1080p, u don't even know" from your casual gamer with expendable income to use toward "true" HD gaming. Unless everyone is going to start sitting super close to their screens, the 1080p claim is, for most, a big placebo effect.

Here's that image in its original context. Link (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=938503#M938503)

MarioMania

03-26-2007, 01:15 AM

I'm just fine with my 20' Sanyo Analog TV

Anthony1

03-26-2007, 03:12 AM

NinjaJoey23: Yeah, that chart is somewhat similar to the chart that I saw on AVSforums. It's a bit different, but basically the same concept. I was very dissapointed when I first discovered the realities of seating distance and the amount of resolution that the human eye can resolve from that distance. At the time, I was seriously considering upgrading my current living room TV, to a 50 inch 1080p TV. Problem is, in my living room I sit a good 10 feet from the screen. At that distance, 1080p is pretty much wasted. Had I never run across a similar graph on AVSforums, I wouldn't have known anything about this. It's one of the best kept secrets in Home Theater. If you think about it, the television manufacters have zero incentive to publicize this fact. Most people are going to sit too far from the size display they are going to end up with, to benefit from it. If everybody actually knew this, then they wouldn't give a damn about 1080p. So I don't think Sony or Mitsubishi or Samsung are ever going to have a chart like that in any of their advertising materials.

I also strongly agree with the whole placebo effect take. Even salespeople at high end audio/video retailers are under the misguided notion that 1080p is a really big deal. I can understand why the end consumer is having the placebo effect, I mean, they just dropped 3 grand on a TV, so even if their eye can't perceive any improvement over 720p at normal viewing distances, they are going to convince themselves that they are seeing extra details that they really aren't. I mean, they must be seeing extra details right? It cost 3 grand for the TV, they have to be seeing extra details, right? right? :)

ShenmueFan

03-26-2007, 03:29 AM

Anthony1

03-26-2007, 03:38 AM

LOL......I've been saying all along how this 1080p/1080i nonsense and even HD in general is way overrated...I didn't even need a chart (although it helps) - the truth about HD being a gimmicky "addition" is just common sense!

HD is not a gimmick. 1080p is a gimmick (for the most part). But please don't mistake the fact that 1080p is primarily a marketing ploy to think that HD in general is a gimmick. When you go from 480i to 480p, it's a huge improvement right off that bat. And that's only going from interlaced to progressive. When I first got my Xbox 1, and hooked it up with the High Def cables and was playing my games in 480p, the improvement was very significant. If you don't believe me, ask Nintendo Wii owners that played their Wii's for weeks before finally getting the component cable. Zelda looks pretty crappy if it isn't in 480p. And then of course, going to 720p or 1080i is another huge leap in quality. No question about it. The only thing that we are trying to point out is that 1080p is quite a bit overrated, in terms of comparing it head to head with 720p or 1080i. Very few people will meet the necessary requirements to actually enjoy all that 1080p has to offer. But the whole HD era thing is real.

NinjaJoey23

03-26-2007, 04:13 AM

HD is not a gimmick. 1080p is a gimmick (for the most part).

Just wait. In a few years we may have 1440p capable sets. Then we can REALLY enter the HD era :roll:

ShenmueFan

03-26-2007, 04:29 AM

HD is not a gimmick. 1080p is a gimmick (for the most part). But please don't mistake the fact that 1080p is primarily a marketing ploy to think that HD in general is a gimmick. When you go from 480i to 480p, it's a huge improvement right off that bat. And that's only going from interlaced to progressive.

I won't deny HDTV can look nice but it still (to me) seems like an unncessary step in visual enhancement. I mean, I still don't understand why standards jumped from a 4:3 ratio to a 16:9 one....also, what's with all the arbitrary settings? 720p? 1080p? Why not make the HD settings match computer screens? 800x600? 1600x1200? and so on? I know 640x480 (or 720x480) is weird to begin with but c'mon...that's an obvious sign this current HD-phase is not gonna be a permanent thing because the people in charge can't even agree on what to use and why.

I dunno - when you factor in the extra cost, the proximity you need to be in order to even see a difference, the cost for HD-signal service or equipment and the fact that most things are still made for 4:3 viewing (which means you can either stretch the image or have bars on the sides - a 32" HDTV is equivalent to a 24-25" TV for 4:3 viewing)...HD just isn't a good deal right now.

In a few years, yeah, it'll be a good investment. But until then, it's a luxury for the rich and techphiles.

Ed Oscuro

03-26-2007, 04:58 AM

But it doesn't add anything to gameplay.
That's what I say! I always press that minus key in DOOM to get the screen as small as possible.

Really.

I have to agree with you on this one, but in other titles more resolution will be a real selling point (take FPSes with long view distances / fine sight adjustment).

-hellvin-

03-26-2007, 05:17 AM

Ninja Gaiden. Everyone who plays Gaiden plays it differently and uses the combo system in their own unique way to create a totally individualized playing experience. That is truly truly unique.

I dunno...I kinda disagree. I think 90% of my moves in Gaiden were Izuna Drop.

Ed Oscuro

03-26-2007, 05:40 AM

I dunno...I kinda disagree. I think 90% of my moves in Gaiden were Izuna Drop.
It was nice knowing that you could switch it up, though (and I often did, even though I'm no good at it). Unlike, say, Prince of Persia on the PS2/etc., where my most used moves were the back run and the wall kick :/

ShenmueFan

03-26-2007, 06:26 AM

That's what I say! I always press that minus key in DOOM to get the screen as small as possible.

Really.

I have to agree with you on this one, but in other titles more resolution will be a real selling point (take FPSes with long view distances / fine sight adjustment).

Keep in mind that if your FPS game is being played in HD with a regular ol' controller, that better be one pixel-perfect accuracy controller. If you have a mouse/keyboard setup with a console game, that's one thing...but in order to have that pixel-accurate targeting to shoot those baddies wayyyyyyyy in the distance you better be able to point at them exactly first.

Which...most likely...ain't gonna happen. So even FPS games, now that I think about it, won't benefit too much on console systems.

Gamereviewgod

03-26-2007, 07:27 AM

Eh, you must be sitting VERY close to your 37in. to notice anything.

I'm probably eight feet from the set on average. more than in range. There's a definite difference between 720p and 1080p. Actually, it's significant. I'd say it's more apparent in games that support it than movies. It eliminates a load of jaggies. NBA Street Homecourt is a great showcase piece.

Is it overrated? Yeah, probably. Is it naive to say it doesn't make any difference. Definitely.

Ed Oscuro

03-26-2007, 01:54 PM

Keep in mind that if your FPS game is being played in HD with a regular ol' controller, that better be one pixel-perfect accuracy controller.
That's not the whole picture. Being able to SEE where the enemies are coming from is an advantage. I can't recount the times playing even on a computer monitor at 1024x768 or higher resolution when I have swept the playing field looking for a single pixel changing in the distance.

Also, as somebody else noted, eliminating jaggies is always a good thing.

Although, to be honest, I'd rather trade off the extra resolution for 85 FPS or higher - in most cases.

Anthony1

03-26-2007, 03:28 PM

I'm probably eight feet from the set on average. more than in range. There's a definite difference between 720p and 1080p. Actually, it's significant. I'd say it's more apparent in games that support it than movies. It eliminates a load of jaggies. NBA Street Homecourt is a great showcase piece.

Is it overrated? Yeah, probably. Is it naive to say it doesn't make any difference. Definitely.

Mr. Placebo, call on line 3.

heybtbm

07-03-2007, 10:33 AM

Bump.

All right...who is buying this today? I will be picking it up sometime this morning. I'll actually be playing a PS3 game in my PS3...wow. Ninja Dog difficulty...here I come!

agbulls

07-03-2007, 10:36 AM

Bump.

All right...who is buying this today? I will be picking it up sometime this morning. I'll actually be playing a PS3 game in my PS3...wow. Ninja Dog difficulty...here I come!

You know, a part of me keeps saying "Adam, you've already beaten this game three separate times. There is no way you need to buy it again."

But the little graphics whore in me says, "This is already a modern classic, and has brand new fancy textures in 1080p. This is the definitive version -- you must buy it!"

And... the graphics whore wins. I'll be picking this up afternoon during my lunch. The demo was great. It's not often I'm re-sold on a game thanks to demo, but this did it.

Only question: What is in the collector's edition? I ordered it to make sure I can snag it if I want. Is it going to be worth the extra $10?

Damaramu

07-03-2007, 01:18 PM

Just read this from the beginning: Jebus that ShenmueFan was a little bitch. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.

Now, on topic, this game sure does look pretty! Did they add any new content to the game?

Anthony1

07-03-2007, 01:50 PM

Nevermind, I didn't notice that I've already chimed into this thread much ealier, lol.

agbulls

07-03-2007, 02:30 PM

Anthony, I think the two of us are the only ones on the board that have been preaching that 1080p is a marketing bullshit ploy. I'm happy to see you haven't changed your mind.

I have a Sony KDF-e50A10 (3LCD 50") that does 720p and 1080i. There is a general assumption that higher numbers equal better performance. With electronics, this has been a rousing marketing and sales technique for years. Considering that most of the public isn't technically oriented, it makes perfect sense.

For example:
-Digital Cameras (higher megapixel, better quality, more $)
-Gaming consoles (8bit vs 16bit vs 32bit vs 64bit vs 128bit)

And this is exactly how HD TV has been marketed to the public. Just look:

480i < 480p < 720p < 1080i < 1080p "True HD"

And you know what? This time it's flat out wrong. It should look more like this:

480 < 480p < 720p = 1080i = 1080p

Bottom line? I could play Ninja Gaiden tonight in 1080i, but I'm chosing to play it in 720p out of pure personal preference.