The Gamecube was disappointing?

[veronica_marsfan]

Sure.

An emphatic yes.

The N64 had Fzero X, Mario Kart, Diddy Kong Racing, Star Wars Racer, Banjo Kazooie 1, Banjo Kazooie 2, Mario 64, Zelda Ocarina of Time (a masterpiece), Masks of Majora, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and on and on and on.

The Cube had... um... er... well Metroid Prime was fun. And then there was... uh... darn. I can't think of anything else. (Zelda sucked. Mario Sunshine sucked. Banjo Kazooie on the Cube never happened. It was just one bad sequel after another; nowhere near as good as the N64 versions which were true masterpieces.)

The Gamecube was a beautiful system.
I loved it's nice compact shape.
But the software was disappointing.

Footnote: (It's worth pointing-out that I consider third-party games to be PS2 games, since I play them on my PS2. So any mention of a "good cube game" that I currently play on my PS2, would be a non-persuasive reason to keep my Cube. The Cube's going to Ebay.)

[edit]

[In terms of SALES I think the cube was a success. The Gamecube was essentially TIED with the Xbox. Nobody calls the Xbox a "sales flop" so why would the Cube be a "sales flop" when it sold the same number of units? Xbox == Cube in terms of sales performance (~25 million units)

[geneshifter]

yup, I agree. I liked several games on it but they were released for xbox/PS2 as well such as I-ninja, RE4, etc... I just sold mine as well since the Wii plays all my NGC games anyway.

[Oobgarm]

Super Smash Bros. Melee?
Animal Crossing?
F-Zero GX?
Pikmin?
Wario Ware?
Starfox Assault?
Mario Golf/Tennis/Baseball/Strikers?
Luigi's Mansion?
Mario Party et al.?
Game Boy Player?

I don't think it was disappointing at all. Even with the Wii, it'll remain a mainstay in my entertainment setup.

Nintendo always supports their machines with the games people want to play. It might scare some third parties away, but it was never common to see a 'Cube Exclusive' game anyway.

[mailman187666]

the gameboy player is pretty much the only reason I am keeping my gamecube (since the wii will play the regular games.) You also forgot to mention Ikaruga in there too.

[Videogamerdaryll]

I don't think it was disappointing at all. Even with the Wii, it'll remain a mainstay in my entertainment setup.


Ditto....

...............................................

Battalion Wars
IKARUGA


Eternal Darkness(haven't played yet


Curious:
What's the going rate today for a Gamecube on Ebay---------or store trade in?


Sometimes it's just not worth selling if you aint going to get shit for it...I'd like to own a second Cube myself...
.Flea market vendors are asking $50.00 for a used system..:smash:

Mario Kart Double Dask is linkable Right?

[veronica_marsfan]

I never played Ikaruga!!! Maybe someday.

No fun in 1-player mode: Super Smash Bros. Melee?
No, because Real-life is more fun than fake life. Booooring: Animal Crossing?
Nope: F-Zero GX?
No because I hate puzzles: Pikmin?
Never played: Wario Ware?
FUN: Starfox Assault?
Yawn: Mario Golf/Tennis/Baseball/Strikers?
YEP! : Luigi's Mansion?

Gameboy Player - I don't like Gameboy games. I view them as inferior/lesser versions of the TV consoles. And in many case, direct copies of games I already got (Yoshis Island on SNES). There are exceptions like Metroid Zero, but not a good enough reason to waste my money on a Gameboy.

[Kid Ice]

I thought Super Monkey Ball 2 and Beach Spikers were two of the best multiplayer games ever (especially with 4 Wavebirds), not to mention Pac Man Vs. I wasn't overly impressed by any first party stuff with the exception of Metroid Prime, and even that I found tiresome after a while. IMO Resident Evil 4 was the game that would have made the system wholly worthwhile, but it came out for PS2. To me after RE4 it seemed the system had pretty much run its course. Yeah, kinda disappointing.

[PentiumMMX]

SSBM was all you really needed for GCN, though Luigi's Mansion and Mario Party 5\6 where good.

Everything else worth playing had a version for another console (Phantasy Star Online (Dreamcast), Sonic Adventure (Dreamcast), Lego Star Wars (PlayStation 2), Soul Calibur 2 (Xbox), etc.)

[8Ways2Tuesday]

I've put many, many hours into my Cube and Fire Emblem. And I look forward to at least trying out the Baiten Kaitos games.

(and yes, PSO and Skies of Arcadia and Evolution were ports, but they were good ones)

[itobandito]

I don't think it was successful business wise however for me personally it was successful and I love it. Plus yeah I love my GBA player

My favs,
Ikaruga
Resident Evil remake, 0, and 4
Star Wars Rouge Squadron 2 and 3
Zelda Windwaker, and Four Swords
Fzero GX
Wave Race: Blue Storm
Mario Strikers
Nba Street Vol 2 with Nintendo characters
Metroid Prime
Mario Party games
All Donkey Kongo Games
soo much more.

[Poofta!]

theres a handful of games... but its still better than the n64, the n64 sucks ass, gamecube improved on n64's games with a couple of its own. really though the gameboy player is the only reasoni still have mine, what with the wii and all now, but honestly i dont like the wii either, annoying system and its been ages since i sat down to play a cube game, some of the latter ones werent that bad... battallion wars, fire emblem. banjo wasnt THAT good, just a mario64 clone... theres a bunch better games on the cube than that. mario64 found its new home on the wii and ds...

i cant stand the ps2's graphics... i was a spoiled computer gamer that dabbled in consoles a little here and there, i just cant play ps2. i alwys bought the xbox versions. now, the 360 i love... games, marketplace, graphics, streaming... everything.

this is gonna get locked, we've had this conversation like a dozen or so times.

[FantasiaWHT]

SSBM 1-player not fun?? That is by FAR the most fun you can have playing single player in any fighting game ever made. Period.

For me, there isn't a single game on N64 that I liked. I've tried any number of them and I 1) hated the controller 2) thought the graphics were universally ugly, and 3) never found a single really engaging game.

I'll throw Tales of Symphonia in there for great GC games, too

[cyberfluxor]

I paid $100 for the Platinum edition little over 3 years ago at Best Buy and was totally worth it. I only own around 25 games for the system but there's others I want. My GC collection is listed here (http://www.cs.odu.edu/~mcrainer/gc.htm) and out of it some of my favorites are:
Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance, Chaos Field, Serious Sam Next Encounter, TimeSplitters 2, TimeSplitters Future Perfect, Worms 3D

There's still a lot of games I need now that I think about it.


Curious:
What's the going rate today for a Gamecube on Ebay---------or store trade in?
There's about a dozen places around here that sell GCs for $35, sometimes with 2 controllers. They are very affordable.

[heybtbm]

What the hell?

The Gamecube is superior to the N64 in every measurable way...especially when it comes to the quality of games. I'm stunned to see people actually claim otherwise. The GC is far from dissappointing. I won't list a bunch of great games, since previous posts have taken care of that.

You do realize that the Nintendo 64 is the single worst mainstream console ever released....right? The N64 sucking has been the general consensus of (non 13 yr old) gamers since its demise.

[GrandAmChandler]

Moving this to Modern Gaming.

-GAC-

[Kid Ice]

What the hell?

The Gamecube is superior to the N64 in every measurable way...especially when it comes to the quality of games.

I completely disagree. Of course the Cube is superior hardware. But the N64 had some real AAA titles; Super Mario 64, Excitebike, Goldeneye, Beetle Adventure Racing...and overall more good and "okay" games IMO than the Cube. I'm not very big on Smash Brothers, Mario Party, and Mario Kart, but if you ask me those games on the Cube were pretty much the same on the N64.

[veronica_marsfan]

(points to KidIce) What he said. Pretty graphics =/= great gameplay. N64 may look ugly, but it's a heck of a lot more fun. Zelda Ocarina of Time may look old, but it's still better than its Wii or Cube sequels.

banjo wasnt THAT good, just a mario64 clone...
Hardly. Banjo-Kazooie 1 is the perfect 3D platformer, with huge worlds, great music, and awesome characters. And I love Grunty's one-liners.

Mario64 looks pale next to Banjo.

[GrandAmChandler]

I completely disagree. Of course the Cube is superior hardware. But the N64 had some real AAA titles; Super Mario 64, Excitebike, Goldeneye, Beetle Adventure Racing...and overall more good and "okay" games IMO than the Cube. I'm not very big on Smash Brothers, Mario Party, and Mario Kart, but if you ask me those games on the Cube were pretty much the same on the N64.

I agree. I have played more multiplayer N64 than cube. Cube has some good games, but the 64's software library is more appealing IMHO.

Everyone disses N64, but it is the ultimate party system. (Excluding the Wii, which is To be Determined.)

[The Shawn]

Eternal Darkness
Animal Crossing
RE 4
Gameboy Player
RE 0


The cube is actually prob. the last Nintendo system I'm going to ever buy.
EDITED: Since were talking N64, This is the only system I ever hook up when the "The boys" come over. Where else can you stomp the hell out of your buddies on some Perfect Dark and Goldeneye?

Shawn

[bangtango]

Let's forget about the Virtual Boy for a second, ok? Forgotten. All right. When Nintendo releases a console that sells as poorly as stuff like the 3DO, Jaguar or CD-i, then we can talk "disappointing." Compared to some expectations that came from the media or gamers, the Game Cube may not have measured up but it isn't easy to compete with the Sony hype machine and come out "on top." It did all right, if you ask me.

[veronica_marsfan]

When Nintendo releases a console that sells as poorly as stuff like the 3DO, Jaguar or CD-i....
I don't think it was successful business wise

Actually, the Gamecube was essentially TIED with the Xbox. Nobody calls the Xbox a "sales flop" so why would the Cube be a "sales flop" when it sold the same number of units?

Xbox == Cube in terms of sales performance (~25 million units)

[kaedesdisciple]

Hang on, let me see, just in my collection I heartily enjoyed:

Animal Crossing (A little slow, but a nice change of pace. Even better when you have friends' towns to travel to)
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem (If you haven't played this game, then you shouldn't be passing sweeping judgments on the cube)
Ikaruga
Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (Insult it all you want, the game was still so much fun)
Metroid Prime
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil (Awesome, just awesome. They took a great game and made it stellar)
Resident Evil 4 (I'm sorry, the PS2 graphics, while good, still don't hold a candle IMO)
Star Wars Rogue Squadron 2: Rogue Leader (I can do the trench run on this game all day)
Super Smash Bros Melee (Fun in single AND multiplayer, I can't even count the number of hours I have in this game. I still remember the night I was banned from using Mr. G&W, there was a lot of cursing and yelling involved. Good times)
Viewtiful Joe (The first one rocks your socks, just admit it)

Disappointing? Hardly. I paid full retail back when it was released and I don't regret it one bit. But then again, everyone's definition of disappointing is different I guess.

[DigitalSpace]

Masks of Majora

You mean Majora's Mask.

Anyways, bangtango said it best, and my post would mostly be repeating his, so...

[Sylentwulf]

The GC is about the same as the N64 IMO. Sure, everything nintendo released was great..... But that sums up the entire system library (excepting a VERY few like ikaruga and eternal darkness, etc..)

Honestly, I wouldn't be too surprised to see the wii in the same state after 2-3 years.

Does that mean the systems aren't worth it? Hell no. You could get a Gamecube with the top 20 games for, what, $400 total? Are you saying there wouldn't be $400 worth of the best videogames in the past 5 years included in that lot compared to a similar lot of PS2 or Xbox games/system?

Now once you get past those 20 games, you may be a bit screwed :)

[LiquidPolicenaut]

The Gamecube is superior to the N64 in every measurable way...especially when it comes to the quality of games. I'm stunned to see people actually claim otherwise. The GC is far from dissappointing.

I totally agree. I hated the N64 back then and i still hate it now. Games for the Cube like RE, RE0, RE4, the Mario games (Not Sunshine though), Eternal Darkness, Paper Mario, Rogue Leader, Tales of Symphonia and a good few more already it make it vastly superior to the N64...

[BocoDragon]

Cube > N64

Now the N64 was disappointing compared to the AAA+ SNES.

I actually thought the Cube gave me much of what I was missing on 64... Metroid, mature games (RE, MGS Twin Snakes), actual RPGs (Skies of Arcadia).....

Anyone who thought they could buy a Cube alone and thought it should be like its own PS2 were probably disappointed, but those who bought Cube as a second console shouldn't have a reason to complain.

I got more great Nintendo games on Cube than I had on 64, and I even got a handful of great third party gems as well. To me that was a success.

I never experienced the "drought" that people talk about, though I remember it on N64 and I didn't even put much hope in that console. Then again, I think having one good game every two month or so is fine.... any more than that and I can't keep up!

[DigitalSpace]

The "accepted viewpoint" (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96179) is that the Gamecube has the superior graphics, thanks to its massive CD storage (approximately who knows how many times more space).

Well.

I disagree. The Gamecube is disappointing compared to the N64. The Gamecube is pretty small, discs typically are very tiny, with games that fail to properly match-up ("disappointing" is the term most people use). I find the N64 characters such as Banjo, Mario, and Link to be far more...... not realistic, but definitely more beautiful. More solid and substantial.

The N64 graphics appear "less-disappointing" and "64-bit" versus its 128-bit competitor.

What's your opinion?

[DigitalSpace]

I love it! (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96119)

Only costs me 5 dollars per game, for ~30 minutes. Great cheap console for an Emergency when I can't find any Veronica Mars to watch. And any game minutes are not realistic, but definitely more beautiful.
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/images/smilies/1003_inlove.gif

[DigitalSpace]

On my TV (aka the boob tube). (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96120)

If you missed last week's very-funny episode, click here:
http://video.ctbm.com/ (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3536/beakminsa6.jpg)
:popcorn:

[DigitalSpace]

I see all these ads with people jumping around & leaning sideways. Looks like fun. However...


I want to play Zelda (or Mario or Metroid) the old-fashioned way:
- laying in bed under the covers. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95594)

Can I still do that?
:cheers:

[bangtango]

Actually, the Gamecube was essentially TIED with the Xbox. Nobody calls the Xbox a "sales flop" so why would the Cube be a "sales flop" when it sold the same number of units?

Xbox == Cube in terms of sales performance (~25 million units)

You quoted me here, when you originally posted this. I was one of the people saying the Game Cube did ok. I never called it a flop. When I brought up stuff like the 3DO and Jaguar, that was to imply that Nintendo had never released a major product that sold that poorly. That wasn't meant to say the Game Cube sold as slowly as those did, I think that is the impression you got from my original post.

In case anyone mentions Virtual Boy:

With all due respect, the Virtual Boy doesn't really count because I see it as a diversion. It was never going to be something to replace an N64 with or even the Game Boy.

[DigitalSpace]

I reviewed some reviews. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95608) Differences I noted:

- Controls (obviously)
- Graphics are identical on both consoles
- Sound on the Cube is "sampled" like N64-style
- .....but orchestral/pre-recorded on the Wii
- (Is that true?)

Any other differences?

[DigitalSpace]

Hardware manufacturers have agreed to retire both formats and make new devices.

Sweet (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95554).

[Link:] http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...i_def_dvd.html (http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3775/beefbuttersu1.jpg)

[Nature Boy]

Luigi's Mansion was a great game to get at launch, but I personally wouldn't include it as a 'gem' of the machine. IMO it's kinda of short (and I like short games normally) and didn't hold any incentive for me to replay it.

Eternal Darkness was easily my favourite GC game. Fantastic game. Unique. And I'd play it again in a second.

I wouldn't call the machine a disappointment in my eyes (that's the N64 for me), but it didn't inspire me to buy another Nintendo console once the Wii was announced, so it's a failure in that respect.

[exit]

This was posted by veronicamars_fan, so therefore it loses all credibility.

The Gamecube may not have been a massive success, but it had it's share of wonderful games and paid for itself in the end. It also had the best ports of the Prince of Persia games.

[Kid Ice]

Cube > N64

Now the N64 was disappointing compared to the AAA+ SNES.

I actually thought the Cube gave me much of what I was missing on 64... Metroid, mature games (RE, MGS Twin Snakes), actual RPGs (Skies of Arcadia).....

So right there aside from Metroid you have three games you can play on other systems. Yeah they're all "good" but they hardly make the system a "must have". The Gamecube just never developed its own identity.

Pick a system and fill in the blanks:

You gotta have a _______ to play _________.

For me the Gamecube just never filled in that second blank. Well actually, it did for the eight months or so that RE4 was a GC exclusive.

[Pilotwings]

Super monkeyball 1+2 Gc versions are best with cube analog. Ikaruga is cheaper and has extra modes, Wario ware , Smashbros, Soul caliber 2 with link:). Pro evo soccer 2.5 edition. These games are why i keep my cube plus i have Astro boy and Gunstar S heroes 4 the Gc player. I played some other good games like prime etc but yes i have 2 agree the cube was complete and utter dirt cakes compared to the gems on the 64.

[Wolf]

I liked it for what it was, for once nintendo had some quality third party support, remake and 0 were the reasons I bought one and I also had alot of fun with the gba, even though I get sick of the horrible res and pathetic sound quality.

[ShenmueFan]

The Gamecube is a neat system for a few odd reasons:

- The discs are really small and are just weird...kinda in a "neat weird" sort of way
- The system is really portable, especially with the nifty handle
- The suckers last a long damn time - just like the N64, SNES, etc.
- The games are cheap
- The Gamecube controller is actually really comfortable, even if it isn't a good setup for many games (especially console ports)
- Some neat games came out for it (Pikmin comes to mind mostly)


The N64 was better overall though in my mind, simply because its great games did a lot more for their respective genres and back in the late 90s, Nintendo hadn't driven all these franchises into the ground like the Gamecube unfortunately did.

[8-bitNesMan]

Nintendo hadn't driven all these franchises into the ground like the Gamecube unfortunately did.

What rock you been livin' under? They weren't 1st place last time around but I wouldn't go so far as to say they drove their franchises into the ground. And with the combined success of the DS and the Wii, I'd say they're more than holding their own this time and their future looks rosy.

[ShenmueFan]

^^^ I meant that Nintendo really had "sequel-itis" with the Cube for some reason.

Starfox...Cool (SNES) > Starfox 64...okay... (N64) > Star Fox Adventures ughh... (GC) > Starfox Assault...yawn... (GC)

Zelda III...Awesome (SNES) > Zelda 64...Awesome (N64) > Majora's Mask...Awesome (N64) > Wind Waker...yawn...(GC) > Twilight Princess...yawn (GC/Wii)

Mario World...Awesome (SNES) > Yoshi's Island...Awesome (SNES) > Super Mario 64...Awesome (N64) > Mario Sunshine....yawn... (GC)

Super Smash Bros...okay... (N64) > Super Smash Bros. Melee....yawn...(GC)

Mario Kart....Awesome (SNES) > Mario Kart 64...okay...(N64) > Mario Kart Double Dash...ughhh.... (GC)

Metroid Prime....Okay (GC) > Metroid Prime II...yawn.... (GC)

Pikmin, Eternal Darkness & Metroid Prime are the GC's best "exclusive" games and I think that for a system w/ as long of lifespan and installed base as it had, such a small number of really good games were made in comparison to cookie-cutter sequels.

[Promophile]

^^^ I meant that Nintendo really had "sequel-itis" with the Cube for some reason.

Starfox...Cool (SNES) > Starfox 64...okay... (N64) > Star Fox Adventures ughh... (GC) > Starfox Assault...yawn... (GC)

Zelda III...Awesome (SNES) > Zelda 64...Awesome (N64) > Majora's Mask...Awesome (N64) > Wind Waker...yawn...(GC) > Twilight Princess...yawn (GC/Wii)

Mario World...Awesome (SNES) > Yoshi's Island...Awesome (SNES) > Super Mario 64...Awesome (N64) > Mario Sunshine....yawn... (GC)

Super Smash Bros...okay... (N64) > Super Smash Bros. Melee....yawn...(GC)

Mario Kart....Awesome (SNES) > Mario Kart 64...okay...(N64) > Mario Kart Double Dash...ughhh.... (GC)

Metroid Prime....Okay (GC) > Metroid Prime II...yawn.... (GC)

Pikmin, Eternal Darkness & Metroid Prime are the GC's best "exclusive" games and I think that for a system w/ as long of lifespan and installed base as it had, such a small number of really good games were made in comparison to cookie-cutter sequels.


You're forgetting Animal Crossing, REmake (it's a complete remake, not a port), RE4 (well, it was supposed to be exclusive... its def the best looking version of RE4), and a bunch of neat 3rd party titles.

How can you *yawn* at SSBM? It's such an improvement over SSB that it's not even funny.

And as a side note, since when has making a whole ONE sequel meant milking a franchise?

[BocoDragon]

So right there aside from Metroid you have three games you can play on other systems. Yeah they're all "good" but they hardly make the system a "must have". The Gamecube just never developed its own identity.

Pick a system and fill in the blanks:

You gotta have a _______ to play _________.

For me the Gamecube just never filled in that second blank. Well actually, it did for the eight months or so that RE4 was a GC exclusive.

If you are talking about A+++ games like RE4, you have a point.

But in general, Cube had a lot of cool third party exclusives, the likes of which there mostly weren't on the N64. Resident Evil (remake), Resident Evil Zero, Metal Gear Twin Snakes (remake), FF: Crystal Chronicles.....

N64 really did have only Nintendo exclusives... And Ogre Battle. I'm trying to think of others...... there weren't any?

[veronica_marsfan]

The Cube's RE-remake, RE0, and FFCC are nothing to brag about. All middling quality, and I sold them immediately after I finished. Not worthy of collecting. (Was MGTS exclusive? I thought I played that on my PS2.) I only limit myself to collecting great games and RE1,RE0, FFCC don't qualify.

N64 really did have only Nintendo exclusives... And Ogre Battle. I'm trying to think of others...... there weren't any? You've forgotten about Rare and all the great games they contributed to the N64. IMHO not having Rare really hurt the cube. The Cube has the "sound" of Banjo Kazooie "walking" in its opening screen (hold down the B button). But Banjo's nowhere to be seen on the Cube. Nor the other Rare exclusives that made the N64 great. ----- That just left the cube with mainly Nintendo exclusives (mario, zelda, starfox adventures), each one of which was a "rush job" and inferior quality.

Also:

My point of view is from a 30-something adult, which is what age I went back & played all these consoles: NES. SNES. N64. And of course Gamecube. So my POV on all these consoles is identical. (I was in the computer gaming scene from 1985-2000, and never touched any of the Nintendo consoles.)

Are the 1st and 2nd party games on each console fun or not? NES? Yeah sort of. SNES? Absolutely! N64? Yes. Cube? No.

[ozyr]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think the GameCube kicked ass. Still due, and still play games on it. Deal with it.

Oh, by the way, in my honest opinion the Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360, and PS3 are alll disappointing. Just to let you now... (and I mean this too)

[Kid Ice]

\
N64 really did have only Nintendo exclusives... And Ogre Battle. I'm trying to think of others...... there weren't any?

Wipeout 64 (not released on any other system)
Ridge Racer 64 (not released on any other system until DS)
Quake 2 (I believe the N64 version was an exclusive)
Doom (the N64 version was an exclusive)

[KingCobra]

All consoles have thier Gems, over the long haul? I just can't see it in the overal sheme of consoles being sought after as time goes on. It's a great peace of hardware with the add-on gameboy player indeed! and a handfull of great games, it's just didn't get that extra touch to put it into the elite line of console greats

Mine collects dust *sigh* with the same consoles in that gen still on the set-up(DC/PS2/Xbox), I'd rather fire up an DC/PS2 or Xbox game :(

[skylark]

I don't know if I'd say it was a great system, but it was far from disappointing. Windwaker was the reason I bought it, and it's still one of my favorite games. It gets bashed, but I have yet to see a game that's such a joy to look at. I've also put a lot of time into Chibi Robo, Odama, Pikmin 1 & 2, Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Symphonia, RE 4, and even Star Fox Adventures, which I thought was more decent than people give it credit for being. Would I want it to be my only console? No, but getting one was still a no-brainer. I could have swapped my Xbox for a PS2 without any problem, but I would have missed my Gamecube.

[crisssybwoy]

The Gamecube was disappointing?

Not for me. Loads of fun games on the good old 'cube
. Chibi-robo, Animal Crossing, RE & 0&4, Pikmin, Mario Kart DD, Ikuruga. Probably all been mentioned above but for me it is a great system with plenty of great games.

[Slate]

I can agree that I rarely play my gamecube (Heck, I never played it once I got my xbox) But there are stil a few good exclusives. Paper mario: TTYD, Mario party (Series) Super Smash bros: melee, And the game boy player.

[Lady Jaye]

Eternal Darkness.

'nuff said.

[tom]

far from it, the game cube was nintendo's best ,imho.
the only nintendo console i purchased brandnew upon day of release, with inflatable nintendo gaming chair:
http://videogamecollectors.com/gallery/album408

The only thing whats bugging me is that i never stocked up on GC games. maybe i make this my next collecting goal.

[bangtango]

The Cube's RE-remake, RE0, and FFCC are nothing to brag about. All middling quality, and I sold them immediately after I finished. Not worthy of collecting. (Was MGTS exclusive? I thought I played that on my PS2.) I only limit myself to collecting great games and RE1,RE0, FFCC don't qualify.

So are the earlier RE games also of middling quality or are they better if only because they were originally released on Playstation?

[mailman187666]

I personally like every game system ever made. I would never call any of them a shitty system. Gamecube was a secondary system for me too. You weren't going to get the choices of games you had on PS2, but it had a nice little niche on the market...kinda like the dreamcast. I like Dreamcast better as far as whats available for games, but I'd say if I were to compare 2 systems, Gamecube/dreamcast were the closest (not saying they are identical or anything).

[Wolf]

Remake and 0 were hardly middling quality. They were some of the best looking games last gen, with plenty of atmosphere and solid re gameplay, if you do not like the series hey I understand but they really were great games to many people out there, I still do s rank runs on them to this day.

MGSTS was a nice treat for fans and a chance to replay MGS with better visuals, sure it was not 100% perfect but it beat the snot out of pretty much anything on the n64, remake and 0 likewise. FFCC was the closest thing to an rpg we got, I decided to give it a second chance a few weeks ago and I have to admit it has grown on me, I would have changed a few things but it is a breathtaking game to look at and has a bit of challenge for once.

[koster]

N64 really did have only Nintendo exclusives... And Ogre Battle. I'm trying to think of others...... there weren't any?
Starcraft 64 (only console version) - that and Ogre Battle 64 are the main reasons I still have a Nintendo 64.


The Cube's RE-remake, RE0, and FFCC are nothing to brag about. All middling quality, and I sold them immediately after I finished. Not worthy of collecting. (Was MGTS exclusive? I thought I played that on my PS2.) I only limit myself to collecting great games and RE1,RE0, FFCC don't qualify.
Do you have a list of your collection posted online somewhere?

[veronica_marsfan]

I have a list on my computer. I can cut-n-paste it someplace if you wish. It's not a list of games I have in my possession, but a list of games I have played. Many of them were sold off (because they were dull).
So are the earlier RE games also of middling quality or are they better if only because they were originally released on Playstation?

I don't like RE in general.
Damn puzzles.
I liked RE2 on the N64 (hires graphics);
although it has collected a lot of dust lately.

I was hoping RE0 would be as good, but RE0 was less than exciting. (If you check the reviews, I think you'll find consensus on that opinion.) RE-make was also less than exciting. Overall I think Resident Evil is the gaming equivalent of Ed Wood. (Sorry that's just how I feel about it.)

I agree with an earlier poster. Eternal Darkness was fun, because it was genuinely scary & had a great story (I dig timetravel). I'd rate that way higher than any of the RE games. I'd rate Parasite Eve or Clock Tower higher too. I like psychological terror.


Remake and 0 were some of the best looking games last gen Don't care about looks.

[BocoDragon]

The Cube's RE-remake, RE0, and FFCC are nothing to brag about. All middling quality, and I sold them immediately after I finished. Not worthy of collecting. (Was MGTS exclusive? I thought I played that on my PS2.) I only limit myself to collecting great games and RE1,RE0, FFCC don't qualify.

Not worthy of collecting? This Resident Evil / Metal Gear / Final Fantasy uber-fan begs to differ. Those are the crown jewels of gaming as far as I'm concerned. Oh, and Metal Gear Twin Sakes was a full on remake of MGS1 from PS1. Better graphics, redone game engine, redone cutscenes. It's definitely a Cube exclusive game. FF:CC is not A++ exciting, but it has an original multiplayer experience you can't get anywhere else, and a great audiovisual package. That's worth owning to me.

Again... 64 had nothing like this. It had no original sidestories/remakes/spinoffs of classic games available only on that system (Ogre Battle excepted, and some stuff I quote below). Gamecube has worth for me in this regard, with exclusive editions of great series, while N64 is seemingly Nintendo-only.

I could live without Rare on this planet, let alone on Gamecube. I only collect great games too, and those don't exactly make my list.


Wipeout 64 (not released on any other system)
Ridge Racer 64 (not released on any other system until DS)
Quake 2 (I believe the N64 version was an exclusive)
Doom (the N64 version was an exclusive)

Ah, thanks.. I knew there were some others I couldn't think of because I don't care about them much.

[BocoDragon]

Overall I think Resident Evil is the gaming equivalent of Ed Wood. (Sorry that's just how I feel about it.)


I think this is a big misconception (though common) because of the North American title "Resident Evil" suggests mature ambitions.

In Japan the game is called Biohazard. It can't be Ed Wood, because the creators know how cheesy and gratuitous it is.... i mean come on... BIOHAZARD.

It's a videogame homage to American horror movies.

[kaedesdisciple]

I have a list on my computer. I can cut-n-paste it someplace if you wish. It's not a list of games I have in my possession, but a list of games I have played. Many of them were sold off (because they were dull).

I don't like RE in general.
Damn puzzles.
I liked RE2 on the N64 (hires graphics);
although it has collected a lot of dust lately.

I was hoping RE0 would be as good, but RE0 was less than exciting. (If you check the reviews, I think you'll find consensus on that opinion.) RE-make was also less than exciting. Overall I think Resident Evil is the gaming equivalent of Ed Wood. (Sorry that's just how I feel about it.)

I agree with an earlier poster. Eternal Darkness was fun, because it was genuinely scary & had a great story (I dig timetravel). I'd rate that way higher than any of the RE games. I'd rate Parasite Eve or Clock Tower higher too. I like psychological terror.

Don't care about looks.

You don't like RE and you don't like puzzles, yet you enjoyed an N64 port of RE2?

You don't care about looks and yet you chose to state your reason for liking RE2 on the N64 as 'hires graphics'?

Dude, your viewpoints are confusing. Pick one and stick with it.

If you dig psychological terror as much as you would have us believe, you wouldn't have even mentioned that you liked RE2. That game plays more like a comic book than a psychological thriller, same with PE.

[Wolf]

Hmm Biohazard is not really "psychological thriller" it is more about survival skills, mutated monsters and the underlying message or theme seems to be that man gets corrupted and should not play with science when he has no ethics. They do throw in some mental scares also.....lisa trevor is quite disturbing on many levels, turn off the lights, crank up the sound and play remake in the dark, it is not exactly happy happy at that point.

Having played Clock Tower 3 yea it is a psychological thriller and that game is VERY disturbing in some areas, there is a boss who you see smash a 14 year old girls head in and throw her body down the stairs like a rag doll on xmas, however the graphics are poor in some areas like the spirits look way too blocky and take away in some areas.

I'm just wondering, what games did you consider "quality" on the n64 and cube?

[SaturnFan]

It was dissapointing to me(and my brother). In my eyes the GC had Luigi's Mansion and thats it. I loved NES/SNES/N64 from Nintendo and the Gamecube was a major dissapointment and don't even get me started on the Wii. The Wii has all the crappiness of a Gamecube with an added queer control sceme.

Seems to me that as soon as Nintendo went with cd games, shit started to roll downhill.

[Lord_Magus]

Eternal Darkness.

'nuff said.

Agreed.

[Rob2600]

On the Nintendo 64, my friends and I had a lot of fun playing Super Mario 64, Wave Race 64, Bust a Move 99, Mario Golf, Perfect Dark, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, StarFox 64, Mario Party, 1080 Snowboarding, Diddy Kong Racing, Mario Kart 64, Pokemon Snap, Mischief Makers, Mortal Kombat 4, Pokemon Puzzle League, Conker's Bad fur Day, etc.

On the Game Cube, my friends and I had a lot of fun playing Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Beach Spikers, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Super Monkey Ball, Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes, Resident Evil 4, Mario Golf, Burnout 2, WarioWare Inc., Soul Calibur 2, Mario Party, Donkey Konga, etc.

I think what happened is that the Nintendo 64 was released during a more exciting period in video gaming. A lot of transition was going on...the 3DO and Jaguar flopped, but the Genesis and SNES were getting old. The 3DO and Jaguar were experimenting with 3D graphics, even more than the SNES, but they didn't have the popular franchises. People wanted something new, but they wanted it to be affordable and from a popular, established company...thus, from 1996 to 2000, the competition between Sega, Nintendo, and newcomer Sony was watched closely and with much enthusiasm.

Overall, both the Nintendo 64 and Game Cube had a bunch of great games and the graphics on both really impressed me. Some Nintendo 64 games still look good to this day...and to those people who insist the Xbox had the best graphics of its generation, I suggest they play StarFox Adventures, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, and Star Wars Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike on the GameCube. :)

By the way, I never understood why the Nintendo 64 and the Game Cube were labeled "kiddie" by people who owned PlayStation or Playstation 2. The way I saw it, Nintendo and Sony both had mature/violent games as well as cartoony games. Besides, I don't remember the Nintendo 64 ever having a Spice Girls, Flintstones, or Teletubbies video game. :)

[200609]

MGSTS was a travesty. A deliberate buchering of an otherwise perfect ps1 game. Sure, the graphics were better, but you can't get involved with the characters like the ps1 version.

Eternal Darkness is probably the only reason I haven't ditched my GC yet.

[m117]

I purchased my gamecube in 2003, before i got my ps2. Though since then, i have amassed a great collection of titles, 0 of which belong to the 'cube, many of these ps2 games were ones that I had owned a copy of for the gamecube. Im saying this to say that I consider the cube a very fond memory, and for the time that I owned one, I enjoyed it, and after so wished well for it. And even now when I play my ps2, I still reminisce about the good times that we had, I will always cherish the good times we enjoyed in that relationship...wait...oh...awk-ward!!

[Master Chu]

Save for only a few titles, N64 was bleh for me...
Cube was FAR AND AWAY superior to 64, but not at all to NES & SNES IMO. The games on those systems became more and more innovative everytime you turned around.

I can give GC quite a few props...

The biggie being the THPS series, which i have loved the hell out of ever since it's debut. As well as...

Mario Golf
Metroid Prime 1 and 2
All of the RE's
Tiger Woods '03 and up
Melee
and quite a friggin' few more...

I'll have a spot in my heart for the GC, 64 can continue to rot in hell...

[Rob2600]

MGSTS was a travesty. A deliberate buchering of an otherwise perfect ps1 game. Sure, the graphics were better, but you can't get involved with the characters like the ps1 version.

Eternal Darkness is probably the only reason I haven't ditched my GC yet.

I disagree. I enjoyed Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes for the Game Cube. Some of the cut scenes went on a little long, but I thought the game was well-produced. For what it's worth, it received an 8.7 press score and an 8.5 gamer score on Gamestats.com.

Am I the only one who thinks the small Game Cube discs are really cool? Who cares if they don't hold as much as DVDs? They still hold 1.5 GB, which is plenty of storage for most games...and those games that need more can be stored on multiple discs.

[ShenmueFan]

I loved the litte discs Rob2600!

It adds to the appeal...the whole system was physically very neat looking. Very sturdy, very portable.

I'd feel very uneasy moving the Wii around --- looks too fragile, like an iPod.

[Rob2600]

I loved the little discs Rob2600!

It adds to the appeal...the whole system was physically very neat looking. Very sturdy, very portable.

I'd feel very uneasy moving the Wii around --- looks too fragile, like an iPod.

Thanks! Throughout the last few decades, disks, disk drives, and cartridges have gotten smaller, so the small Game Cube discs seem more futuristic and innovative to me.

My younger brother received a Wii for Christmas. We hooked it up and played it for many hours while I was visiting my family. It looks delicate, but is actually quite solid and sturdy. It is light without being flimsy or fragile.

[veronica_marsfan]

You don't like RE and you don't like puzzles, yet you enjoyed an N64 port of RE2? Dude, your viewpoints are confusing. Pick one and stick with it.

Not at all. I liked RE2 (any console... doesn't matter which version). I didn't like the rest, because they were inferior. That's consistent. It's equivalent to saying, "I liked Empire Strikes Back, but the other movies were poor/boring."

re: Gamecube discs:

I've got a lot of CD-singles (3") dating from the early 90s. So the Gamecube discs were nothing special to me. They just looked like tiny CDs.

I'm just wondering, what games did you consider "quality" on the gamecube and N64?
GAMECUBE
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Animal Crossing 1 (boring)
Eternal Darkness (GREAT STORY/EFFECTS, SCARY ATMOSPHERE)
Fzero GX (GREAT RACER BY SEGA)
LOZ - Wind Waker (dull story, dull game, too long)
Metroid Prime 1 (GREAT BOSSES AND FIRST-PERSON EXPLORATION)
Paper Mario 2 - Thousand Year Door (dull battles, story, music)
Resident Evil 0 (okay game but not scary/dull story)
Skies of Arcadia Legends (SO-SO STORY, FUN BATTLES, GREAT MUSIC)
Star Wars Rogue Squadron 2 (way too hard and repetitive)
Starfox Adventures (blah story and blah gamepaly)
Super Mario Sunshine (too repetitive/linear, washing stuff is not fun)
Super Smash Bros Melee (1-player is not fun)
Tales of Synphonia (okay story but it stretches far too long - quit out of boredom)

N64
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Banjo-Kazooie (MASTERPIECE PLATFORMER, HUMOROUS, CHALLENGING)
Banjo-Tooie (DITTO)
Beetle Adventure Racing (FUN AND FUNNY)
Castlevania 64 (blah)
Conkurs Bad Fur Day (FUN)
Diddy Kong Racing (SUPERIOR VERSION OF MARIO KART)
F-zero X (GREAT RACER)
Goldeneye 007 (GREAT SHOOTER AND STORY)
LOZ - Ocarina of Time (MASTERPIECE - GREAT STORY)
LOZ - Majora's Mask (GOOD)
Mario Golf (MAKES SPORTS FUN AGAIN)
Mario Kart 64 (GREAT TRANSITION TO 3D)
Ms. Pac-Man Maze Madness (SURPRISINGLY GOOD PUZZLER)
Paper Mario 1 (dull battles, story, music)
Perfect Dark (EXCELLENT)
Resident Evil 2 (BEST STORY; BEST GAMEPLAY OF A MEDIOCRE SERIES)
Super Mario 64 (GREAT PLATFORMER, CHALLENGING, FUN)
Super Smash Bros (GREAT FIGHTING GAME)
Turok 2 Seeds of Rage (tedious)

[Ackman]

I hated the Banjo games and Diddy Kong racing...... Conkers Bad Fur Day was pretty good though....

Diddy Kong racing is in no way better than Mario Kart 64 imho

SSB is not that great single player either

[FantasiaWHT]

Veronica_marsfan, are you trying to somehow merge two threads discussing two separate systems into one argument? You posted the exact same thing in the N64 thread

[Rob2600]

re: Gamecube discs:

I've got a lot of CD-singles (3") dating from the early 90s. So the Gamecube discs were nothing special to me. They just looked like tiny CDs.

Yes, Game Cube discs look like mini CDs, but they hold over seven times the amount of data (1.5 GB vs. 210 MB). That's why I think they're cool and innovative. :)

[Rob2600]

Also in response to veronica_marsfan:

GAMECUBE
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Fzero GX (GREAT RACER BY SEGA)
The graphics and speed are impressive, but sometimes the racing is a bit *too* fast, which can make the game too chaotic and challenging.

Metroid Prime 1 (GREAT BOSSES AND FIRST-PERSON EXPLORATION)
This game turned out much better than I thought it would. It's impressive, but not one of my favorites. I don't like tons of exploration in first-person shooters. A little bit is okay, but I prefer FPS levels that are somewhat more streamlined.

Resident Evil 0 (okay game but not scary/dull story)
Great graphics, but the old-style Resident Evil controls are useless. The characters move like the tanks in Combat for Atari 2600. The improved control in RE2 for N64 made a huge difference.

Star Wars Rogue Squadron 2 (way too hard and repetitive)
Great graphics and sound...technically impressive (especially for a launch title), but the game play is for hard core fans only.

Starfox Adventures (blah story and blah gamepaly)
Great graphics, decent game play. If Nintendo stops having third-parties make new StarFox games, they just might be able to top StarFox 64.

N64
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Banjo-Kazooie (MASTERPIECE PLATFORMER, HUMOROUS, CHALLENGING)
The Banjo games have great graphics and high production value, the dialog is fun and the control is great, but the game play is only decent. They're like virtual scavenger hunts. A video game should be fresh and exciting, not a series of chores. Still, the Banjo games are above average compared to most of the garbage out there.

Beetle Adventure Racing (FUN AND FUNNY)
Great graphics and lots of shortcuts, but sometimes the tracks are a bit too long. It's a fun game though.

Castlevania 64 (blah)
Overall, I enjoyed Castlevania 64. The music and graphics were good (some spots better than others) and a few parts of the game were creepy. It's not a classic, but it's not as bad as some people exaggerate. (Super Castlevania IV is my favorite in the series.)

Conkurs Bad Fur Day (FUN)
Great graphics and sound, very high production value. Some creative stages, too. It's a fun game...one of the most impressive N64 games.

Diddy Kong Racing (SUPERIOR VERSION OF MARIO KART)
DKR improves on MK64 in some ways, but is a bit too ambitious, deep, and challenging for its own good. In MK64, the player competes in one race after another, but in DKR, the player has to drive around the overworld and explore. I suppose that could be a good idea, but I would have preferred if DKR were just a straight-up arcade racing game. Having the different vehicles is nice...so is the addition of boss races, but most of the silver coin challenges are far too difficult.

F-zero X (GREAT RACER)
Very intense and fast...30 cars on the screen at the same time with no slow-down! Simple graphics, but in a way, it adds to the sleek, futuristic theme of the game.

LOZ - Ocarina of Time (MASTERPIECE - GREAT STORY)
I agree, a masterpiece. I really enjoyed how music was incorporated into the game.

LOZ - Majora's Mask (GOOD)
I agree, it's a good game, but Ocarina of Time was so good that I couldn't really get into another Legend of Zelda game for a while. The three-day concept was interesting, but I needed something more.

Mario Golf (MAKES SPORTS FUN AGAIN)
Excellent game. Lots of fun and great graphics.

Mario Kart 64 (GREAT TRANSITION TO 3D)
I agree. I had a lot of fun with MK64. I always thought it was an improvement over Super Mario Kart.

Perfect Dark (EXCELLENT)
Great graphics and sound, high production value, intense game play...one of the best.

Resident Evil 2 (BEST STORY; BEST GAMEPLAY OF A MEDIOCRE SERIES)
I thought it was great how after all the N64 bashing at the time, it ends up that one N64 cartridge could out-perform two PlayStation CD-ROMs...higher-resolution graphics, surround sound, vastly improved controls, and tons of FMV. I never understood why Capcom didn't use the same control scheme in Code: Veronica for Dreamcast or in the Game Cube ports.

Super Mario 64 (GREAT PLATFORMER, CHALLENGING, FUN)
Innovative, polished, and fun...good graphics, large levels, and no loading time. A masterpiece and a classic.

Super Smash Bros (GREAT FIGHTING GAME)
I never got into the SSB series because I hate using an analog stick to play fighting games. Most people seem to think they're fun games though.

Turok 2 Seeds of Rage (tedious)
Excellent high-resolution graphics, but the game didn't pull me in like Perfect Dark did and there was too much exploration. Turok 3 was a huge improvement in pacing and game play (and frame rate), but by then, nobody cared.